MARVEL LISTS TOP TEN REASONS TO READ ULTIMATE ORIGINS #1

[MattBrady]

Press Release

[sol]

Interesting, as long as loeb isn't writing it. I hate to bash him, but his latest stuff...stinks.

[Mercer]

Wow, that tells us... nothing. Not exactly the lead-up to Secret Invasion, there...

[MrToady12]

Wow!! There goes 30 seconds of my life down the drain. Here I thought I was getting some relevant information and all I get is a watered down version of Dave Letterman's Top Ten! That or the draft cover of Ultimate Dolly Magazine. Revealed: Cap's favourite Vegan recipes!!

Hope Ultimate Origins shapes up to be something worthwhile - I think they'll need to do a crossover with the regular Marvel Universe soon to raise interest. And when, oh when am I going to be able to read an Ultimate Captain America solo series? Ultimate Hulk? Way, way overdue (need an Ultimate Thing and Hulk showdown)

Origins of Ultimate Wolverine... bleh

Cheers

[Predabot1]

Intriguing little teaser, especially the part about the origin of MUTANTS. That's something that's somewhat ambiguous and fuzzy even in the regular MU.

Originally Posted by sol

Interesting, as long as loeb isn't writing it. I hate to bash him, but his latest stuff...stinks.

Bullsh*t. Loeb's latest stuff is Red Hulk and Captain America: White. And they both kick ass.

[Mercer]

Originally Posted by sol

Interesting, as long as loeb isn't writing it. I hate to bash him, but his latest stuff...stinks.

I believe Bendis is writing Ultimate Origins, and Loeb is writing Ultimatum. So Origins should be good, anyway.

[UltimateXMF]

Yeah that was the worst tease I've read in years.

Origin of Wolverine? Kinda half know that already but okay, interesting
Caps Hidden Secrets? Guessing something to do with the Chitauri.
Caps origin and... Hulks? I mean thats already been revealed but really. Its all connected to the Super Soldier project so...
True Origin of Mutants... Better not be something stupid, but intriguing.
Seen how Charles Xaivier and Magento fell out WAAAAY back when.
First appearence of... Ultimate, I dont know. It couldnt be something stupid as hell or maybe a character thats good.
The end of... The Ultimates?
9 and 10 are just stupid aswell.

Oh and Im guessing Hulk killed Peter Parkers parents somehow.

[durkadurka]

I'm excited for this. It's about time the Ultimate Universe stepped up again (except for Ultimate Spidey, of course). At least hopefully with the Ultimate Universe they can do some sweeping changes and let them stick.

[grphxkindaguy]

Huh, I didn't know anyone even cared anymore about the Ultimate Universe.....

I used to get 90% of their output, but the last few years hadn't been too kind to the franchise IMO.

1) Kirkman made Ult X-Men unreadable (and I love his work!)
+
2) Ultimates 2 was a POS that took forever to finish.
+
3) Bendis hasn't had a good storyline in Ult Spidey since the first Venom arc.
+
4) Lackluster spinoff mini's (Galactus Saga, Ultimate Sinishter Six, etc.)
=
Goodbye Ultimate Universe for me.

from what my LCS guy has told me, sales have been dropping on the entire line in his store like a rock for months now...

[cowboy_ein]

Not a very good hype sheet. But, I can only assume from the last line that we'll see Ultimate Dazzler if we haven't already.

[durkadurka]

Originally Posted by grphxkindaguy

Huh, I didn't know anyone even cared anymore about the Ultimate Universe.....

I used to get 90% of their output, but the last few years hadn't been too kind to the franchise IMO.

90% of 4 series? How does that work?

1) Kirkman made Ult X-Men unreadable (and I love his work!)

I hate to admit it, but i have to agree. His entire run did almost nothing for me. I thought making Cable Wolverine was an interesting idea, but that was about it. I was just not a fan.

2) Ultimates 2 was a POS that took forever to finish.

Didn't have the zing of Vol. 1, but i wouldn't call it a POS. Although it was pretty delayed.

3) Bendis hasn't had a good storyline in Ult Spidey since the first Venom arc.

Totally disagree. I think Ult. Spidey has been consistently good, with only a few bumps along the way. Didn't lose a step when Bagley left and Immonen came on.

[durkadurka]

Originally Posted by cowboy_ein

Not a very good hype sheet. But, I can only assume from the last line that we'll see Ultimate Dazzler if we haven't already.

So you have no idea what's going on in the Ultimate Universe (or at least Ult. X-men)?
Not to be an ass, but Dazzler has been a part of Ultimate X-men for a good long time now.

[Richbob]

Originally Posted by Predabot1

Bullsh*t. Loeb's latest stuff is Red Hulk and Captain America: White. And they both kick ass.

You've omitted Ultimates 3, which is (imho) a huge disappointment. Cap: White doesn't start for a couple months, so I'm not sure what about it "kick[s] ass." I'm sure I'll buy the Cap series when it hits. As for the Hulk book, we obviously have different opinions of its quality.

[Predabot1]

I did omit Ultimates3, yes. Strangely enough it didn't actually come to my mind the way Cap and Hulk did. The reason Cap will kick ass is because he's back with Sale, and that's already a sealed brand of quality, it's incapable of being bad now.

Obviously you're not a fan of Hulk-shouts and big explosions, so that's probably why Red Hulk is not your thing. I'm afraid that a majority of comic-fans disagree however, as Red Hulk is burning the charts with his intense gamma-rays.

I take it for what it is, some of the best action Marvel has produced in several years.
Ultimates 3 is kind of so-so tho, not really bad, but not perticularly special either.

[grphxkindaguy]

Originally Posted by durkadurka

90% of 4 series? How does that work?

Totally disagree. I think Ult. Spidey has been consistently good, with only a few bumps along the way. Didn't lose a step when Bagley left and Immonen came on.

90% = reading Ult FF sporadically!

I stayed with Ult Spidey until Bagley left, but it was pretty much just w/the intention of closing out his long tenure on the book. I slowly lost interest in it months prior. I think that moronic Dr Strange arc is when the book jumped the shark for me...

IMO concerning the Ult Universe:

1) Marvel needs to get a new writer on Ult Spidey, Bendis has really overstayed his welcome. He broke Lee's/Kirby's record on FF, he's in the history books, time to move on...

2) Get some other top name creators on the other titles, that can release a book on a consistent basis. The Ultimate line should be the All-Star franchise for Marvel. It started like that at the beginning of the UU, but they couldn't sustain that level of excellence. Its just become mediocre and stale...

[artiepants]

Originally Posted by MrToady12

Wow!! There goes 30 seconds of my life down the drain. Here I thought I was getting some relevant information and all I get is a watered down version of Dave Letterman's Top Ten!

they kinda gave that away in the headline...

[durkadurka]

Originally Posted by grphxkindaguy

90% = reading Ult FF sporadically!

I stayed with Ult Spidey until Bagley left, but it was pretty much just w/the intention of closing out his long tenure on the book. I slowly lost interest in it months prior. I think that moronic Dr Strange arc is when the book jumped the shark for me...

You mean the storyline where Wolverine and Spidey changed bodies that was entitled "Jump the Shark" and "Even we can't believe this" didn't do it? It was the Doc Strange arc? Interesting. Which Doctor Strange arc? The Ultimate Knights or the first one with him?

1) Marvel needs to get a new writer on Ult Spidey, Bendis has really overstayed his welcome. He broke Lee's/Kirby's record on FF, he's in the history books, time to move on...

Still got to disagree. I love Bendis on Ultimate Spidey. I think his style of dialogue, whether you like it or not, is a perfect fit for the book. Admittedly, he's really been the only one to write Ultimate Spidey, but still.

2) Get some other top name creators on the other titles, that can release a book on a consistent basis. The Ultimate line should be the All-Star franchise for Marvel. It started like that at the beginning of the UU, but they couldn't sustain that level of excellence. Its just become mediocre and stale...

A lot of it did, which is unfortunate. I agree it hasn't been able to sustain the momentum it had earlier. Although i loved Bendis' run on Ultimate X-men. I thought even "Blockbuster" was a pretty good storyline. And most of BKV run. I thought the Tempest was great.
"The one true enemy of Charles Xavier...stairs!" Now THAT is f*cking Sinister!

[superhulkman]

Originally Posted by sol

Interesting, as long as loeb isn't writing it. I hate to bash him, but his latest stuff...stinks.

That's uncalled for. If you haven't heard though Jeph Loeb will work on Ultimatum, so while Brian Michael Bendis tells us the origins, Jeph Loeb will tell us the end, and I just don't understand how people don't understand that Jeph Loeb's writing in Marvel HAS TO BE DIFFERENT FROM HIS WRITING IN DC, but there's still some of the same things, he always knows how to write the best fights and he has the right artist to draw them out.

[grphxkindaguy]

Originally Posted by durkadurka

You mean the storyline where Wolverine and Spidey changed bodies that was entitled "Jump the Shark" and "Even we can't believe this" didn't do it? It was the Doc Strange arc? Interesting. Which Doctor Strange arc? The Ultimate Knights or the first one with him?


Still got to disagree. I love Bendis on Ultimate Spidey. I think his style of dialogue, whether you like it or not, is a perfect fit for the book. Admittedly, he's really been the only one to write Ultimate Spidey, but still.


A lot of it did, which is unfortunate. I agree it hasn't been able to sustain the momentum it had earlier. Although i loved Bendis' run on Ultimate X-men. I thought even "Blockbuster" was a pretty good storyline. And most of BKV run. I thought the Tempest was great.
"The one true enemy of Charles Xavier...stairs!" Now THAT is f*cking Sinister!

oh yeah, the "switching bodies" issue(s) w/Wolvie and Peter were very funny. Who would think such a cliched concept would be so much fun? I love how Wolvie didn't care about the body switch, he just wanted to take advantage of it and hook up w/high school chicks!

I think the Doctor Strange issues were after that? Its been years, so its hard to remember. Its not the Ultimate Knights or the Ultimate team-up issues...

Bendis' dialogue was great for the book, just the overall happenings in the book didn't hold my interest. Giving MJ green goblin-like powers? The high school supporting cast all but disappearing? Kitty getting dumped? Eh, not to my liking, for the most part. We'll have to agree to disagree.

I'm thinking of picking up the Ult Spidey & his Amazing friends arc when it comes out in tpb, was it any good?

Bendis' run on Ult X-Men was just okay, but he wrote the single best issue of the series IMO (the one w/the kid w/the death aura, that Wolvie talks to in the cave?). BKV's run was the last time I really enjoyed the title. I tried to give Kirkman an arc or two, but it went from bad to worse. Absolutely loathed it (as bad as Austen's Uncanny work years prior).

[superhulkman]

Originally Posted by MrToady12

Wow!! There goes 30 seconds of my life down the drain. Here I thought I was getting some relevant information and all I get is a watered down version of Dave Letterman's Top Ten! That or the draft cover of Ultimate Dolly Magazine. Revealed: Cap's favourite Vegan recipes!!

Hope Ultimate Origins shapes up to be something worthwhile - I think they'll need to do a crossover with the regular Marvel Universe soon to raise interest. And when, oh when am I going to be able to read an Ultimate Captain America solo series? Ultimate Hulk? Way, way overdue (need an Ultimate Thing and Hulk showdown)

Origins of Ultimate Wolverine... bleh

Cheers

Did you see Ultimate Power # 9 ? Jeph Loeb had the Ultimate Hulk and Ultimate Thing fight it out for awhile.

[superhulkman]

Originally Posted by Predabot1

Intriguing little teaser, especially the part about the origin of MUTANTS. That's something that's somewhat ambiguous and fuzzy even in the regular MU.


Bullsh*t. Loeb's latest stuff is Red Hulk and Captain America: White. And they both kick ass.

Thanks for defending Jeph Loeb. I love the new red Hulk series, the team of Jeph Loeb and Ed McGuiness on the Hulk is a dream come true and reuniting with Tim Sale on the color books, this being Captain America, I know how much love and respect Jeph Loeb has for Captain America, so I know this will turn out great. I loved his Fallen Son series

[grphxkindaguy]

Originally Posted by superhulkman

That's uncalled for. If you haven't heard though Jeph Loeb will work on Ultimatum, so while Brian Michael Bendis tells us the origins, Jeph Loeb will tell us the end, and I just don't understand how people don't understand that Jeph Loeb's writing in Marvel HAS TO BE DIFFERENT FROM HIS WRITING IN DC, but there's still some of the same things, he always knows how to write the best fights and he has the right artist to draw them out.

Hate to break it you, but Loeb's DC work had been just as bad.

When I heard he was going back to Marvel, all I could think was, "DC's lucky, Marvel's screwed". Low and behold, his awfulness continues for Marvel...

he used to be a great writer, now he's become a HACK.

[dethmtlmetro]

I don't know--this kind of piqued my interest.

[superhulkman]

Originally Posted by Richbob

You've omitted Ultimates 3, which is (imho) a huge disappointment. Cap: White doesn't start for a couple months, so I'm not sure what about it "kick[s] ass." I'm sure I'll buy the Cap series when it hits. As for the Hulk book, we obviously have different opinions of its quality.

Jeph Loeb and Joe Mad's take on the Ultimates is different from Mark Millar and Bryan Hitch, but we all knew that, how could any of this be a surprise? I think some fans just didn't want there to be any change and the kind of change that Jeph Loeb and Joe Mad brought to the series isn't what the fans expected. It should be noted that Jeph Loeb ran his ideas by Mark Millar and he happen to like the direction Jeph Loeb was taking the Ultimates, but I'm sure for those who don't like the change, that must sound like a huge disappointment.

With regards to Captain America: White, I think he was just excited that the book will come out and I feel the same way.

I really hope that you aren't going to diss the new red Hulk series. I love the book and I know that it will continue to rock!

[sol]

Originally Posted by Predabot1

Intriguing little teaser, especially the part about the origin of MUTANTS. That's something that's somewhat ambiguous and fuzzy even in the regular MU.


Bullsh*t. Loeb's latest stuff is Red Hulk and Captain America: White. And they both kick ass.

Umm....Captain America: white is not out yet.

I suppose i was referring more to Ultimate Power finale and Ultimates 3, but whatever. I've followed Loeb on quite a few books, and i just don't feel what he's doing lately. I will admit, i'm not hating Red Hulk.

Originally Posted by superhulkman

That's uncalled for. If you haven't heard though Jeph Loeb will work on Ultimatum, so while Brian Michael Bendis tells us the origins, Jeph Loeb will tell us the end, and I just don't understand how people don't understand that Jeph Loeb's writing in Marvel HAS TO BE DIFFERENT FROM HIS WRITING IN DC, but there's still some of the same things, he always knows how to write the best fights and he has the right artist to draw them out.

If i made an insult to the man, it was the most polite insult i've seen around here in a LONG time.

I'm not killing the guy, just not digging some of his work lately...why you all gotta ride him like it's a rodeo show?