JLA Movie: WB needs to understand something about the audience

[K-DoG7p7]

So.. the JLA movie is back on track and start shooting the first week in May. Yet not a singel fan of the characters are enjoying the news.. the closes i have yet to hear is "Ohh a JLA movie that nice.. but...." there is always a but...
Like setting the movie in an alternate universe then the other DC movies being made at the same time!, New actors for part that are already filled by other actors..Brandon Ruth is Superman, Christan Bale is Batman.. get it in to your heads!!
Riding the PC train to death by using John Stewart.. even worse is the fact that there is a GL movie coming about Hal..

Now if WB really wants a JLA movie and really want to NOT use the actors already playing the parts.. then I have a really easy solution..

MAKE 'KINGDOM COME'!!

you get all the major characters..
you get a good reason to cast different actors (as superman and batman are quite a bit older)
you get a larger cast and get to show off more of the DCU
you get to show the fans the true difference between Supeman and Batman..
Also...

Superman vs Captain Marvel!


so please WB.. can the JLA movie and make Kingdom Come instead!

[Stazz]

MAKE 'KINGDOM COME'!!

Or Don't. I think KC is too dependant of being familiar with the characters and comics in general to really work as an adaptation. It's about characters you know being changed from how you know them. I don't think it's a very good idea to introduce so many of these characters to a non-comic reading audience like that. Do you want people's first idea of Captain Marvel for instance to be of a brainwashed man-child? Do you want J'onn to be a non-corporeal entity with confidence issues? Do you want to make Selina Kyle a full-blown villain when she isn't even a part of the regular Bat-verse yet? Also, doing a superhero movie isn't like doing a superhero comic. You do KC as a film, and it's basically going to be canon. All other DC Movies of THIS era are going to be locked into that future. Because let's face it, realistically, WB aren't going to go with Multiverse/Hypertime/Elseworlds for this stuff.

[caats19]

i don't think people wanna see a senior citizen JLA.

[BatWolverine]

Originally Posted by K-DoG7p7

can the JLA movie and make Kingdom Come instead!

Riiiigggggghht.

[WhatCrisis]

KC would be awsome in animation but please DC make the movie longer than 70 mins that story cannot be told in such a short time. I mean its like 3 episodes of JLA on tv. 90-105 mins would be great and would not be so long that people would get bored.

[e_galston]

i just wanna know how u polled EVERY single fan of the characters.. to see how they felt about the movie...

[K-DoG7p7]

Originally Posted by Stazz

Or Don't. I think KC is too dependant of being familiar with the characters and comics in general to really work as an adaptation.

Really? other then Superman, Batman and Wonder Wonder every other character that needs to be introducesd gets a short intoduction by the Specter
Like Ollie, Dinah and Ted.. "Urban Warriors" that alone tells people that they are kinda simular to Batman..
Billy "The Captain of thunder and lightning" is all people need to understand when he screams out Shazam for the first time..
and so on

It's about characters you know being changed from how you know them. I don't think it's a very good idea to introduce so many of these characters to a non-comic reading audience like that. Do you want people's first idea of Captain Marvel for instance to be of a brainwashed man-child? Do you want J'onn to be a non-corporeal entity with confidence issues? Do you want to make Selina Kyle a full-blown villain when she isn't even a part of the regular Bat-verse yet?

YES! it shows people that heroes are not perfect.. even superman might one day brake down and quit..

Also, doing a superhero movie isn't like doing a superhero comic. You do KC as a film, and it's basically going to be canon. All other DC Movies of THIS era are going to be locked into that future. Because let's face it, realistically, WB aren't going to go with Multiverse/Hypertime/Elseworlds for this stuff.

But thats exactly what the JLA movie is doing.. its not the future for the Nolanverse or Donner-Singerverse.. its "completely unrelated using the same characters"

[Edogawa1983]

only comic fans care, and we are the very small minority.

[Kal*el]

Kingdom Come requires a reasonably thorough knowledge of the DCU. It would never work as a major motion picture. Animated sure, but not live action.

The thing WB needs to understand about JLA is that it's not going to work. A movie attempting to put Superman and Batman together just isn't going to work.

[BatWolverine]

Originally Posted by Edogawa1983

only comic fans care, and we are the very small minority.

Also, in his dig about John Stewart the OP seems to forget that for majority of the TV/Movie viewing audience he is Earth's Green Lantern...not Kyle, Guy, Kilowog, Salaak, Boodika, Mogo or anyone else.

[K-DoG7p7]

Originally Posted by BatWolverine

Also, in his dig about John Stewart the OP seems to forget that for majority of the TV/Movie viewing audience he is Earth's Green Lantern...not Kyle, Guy, Kilowog, Salaak, Boodika, Mogo or anyone else.

majority ? he has only in JL and JLU.. Hal has been in Superfriends, The Batman and so on..
hell.. remember when people where screaming about John being in JL .. it was not just because he was the token black guy... it was because KYLE!! has been in "Superman"

[HNutz]

Originally Posted by K-DoG7p7

So.. the JLA movie is back on track and start shooting the first week in May. Yet not a singel fan of the characters are enjoying the news.. the closes i have yet to hear is "Ohh a JLA movie that nice.. but...." there is always a but...
Like setting the movie in an alternate universe then the other DC movies being made at the same time!, New actors for part that are already filled by other actors..Brandon Ruth is Superman, Christan Bale is Batman.. get it in to your heads!!

Eh, I'd actually like to see Supes and Bats in it only sparingly... preferably played by Ruth and Bale, of course. Maybe they're telling the League "No", or that they're too busy, etc. (I could see Bats pulling that one). I dunno, I just want to give other characters a chance to shine and not be outdone by the Big Two.

Riding the PC train to death by using John Stewart.. even worse is the fact that there is a GL movie coming about Hal..

If they just mention that it's a Green Lantern CORPS and there's lots of them, what's the problem? Besides, that's one of the problems I have with the League on "The Batman", that, right now, it's pretty much a rich, white guy club.

Now if WB really wants a JLA movie and really want to NOT use the actors already playing the parts.. then I have a really easy solution..

MAKE 'KINGDOM COME'!!

you get all the major characters..
you get a good reason to cast different actors (as superman and batman are quite a bit older)
you get a larger cast and get to show off more of the DCU
you get to show the fans the true difference between Supeman and Batman..
Also...

Superman vs Captain Marvel!


so please WB.. can the JLA movie and make Kingdom Come instead!

I dunno if that'd be a big selling point to the main audience. And seeing Luthor with Bats (even temporarily) might be weird for most folks. I'd like to see it as an animated special (like New Frontier) but that's about it.

Originally Posted by K-DoG7p7

Really? other then Superman, Batman and Wonder Wonder every other character that needs to be introducesd gets a short intoduction by the Specter
Like Ollie, Dinah and Ted.. "Urban Warriors" that alone tells people that they are kinda simular to Batman..
Billy "The Captain of thunder and lightning" is all people need to understand when he screams out Shazam for the first time..
and so on

I dunno, think that'd be rushing through part of it. Short origin snippets would be preferrable...

YES! it shows people that heroes are not perfect.. even superman might one day brake down and quit..

But thats exactly what the JLA movie is doing.. its not the future for the Nolanverse or Donner-Singerverse.. its "completely unrelated using the same characters"

I bet there's gonna be some sort of public confusion if/when Supes' kid is dropped... just think it'd be REALLY weird for the non-comic fans when everyone's older.

[thefrogman]

I had a weird dream where they actually decided to make Kingdom Come it starred the following.
Christopher Reeve-Superman
Michael Keaton-Batman
Lucy Lawless-Wonder Woman

And instead of having a bunch of bat-bots, Batman had a new protoge like Batman Beyond played by Will Fridele. I also think Chris O'Donnell was playing Red Robin but that was the only bad part.
I remember waking up thinking it would be a great movie cause all the actors were older but played the same characters when they were younger, except Lawless, but she's older now and makes a better Wonder Woman imo.

But I am slightly worried about the JLA movie. Without Brandan Routh and Christian Bale it could get interesting when the next movies from their franchises comes out and the JLA movie is out of continuity.

[IvCNuB4]

Originally Posted by Edogawa1983

only comic fans care, and we are the very small minority.

Exactly. The majority of movie-goers (probably) only know of the JLA from frickin' "Smallville".

Or maybe JLU if they have kids, or are cartoon fans ....

[jlbrooklyn]

Originally Posted by K-DoG7p7

So.. the JLA movie is back on track and start shooting the first week in May. Yet not a singel fan of the characters are enjoying the news.. the closes i have yet to hear is "Ohh a JLA movie that nice.. but...." there is always a but...
Like setting the movie in an alternate universe then the other DC movies being made at the same time!, New actors for part that are already filled by other actors..Brandon Ruth is Superman, Christan Bale is Batman.. get it in to your heads!!
Riding the PC train to death by using John Stewart.. even worse is the fact that there is a GL movie coming about Hal..

Now if WB really wants a JLA movie and really want to NOT use the actors already playing the parts.. then I have a really easy solution..

MAKE 'KINGDOM COME'!!

you get all the major characters..
you get a good reason to cast different actors (as superman and batman are quite a bit older)
you get a larger cast and get to show off more of the DCU
you get to show the fans the true difference between Supeman and Batman..
Also...

Superman vs Captain Marvel!


so please WB.. can the JLA movie and make Kingdom Come instead!

'Riding the PC train to death"? Some people actually prefer John Stewart over Hal Jordan. He's got a better costume for one, and I like his militant personality (recently ret-conned to be a former marine). And come to think of it, maybe DC needs to be a little PC. The ONLY reason all the big heroes are white is because the DC offices would have been burned to the ground by racists in the 40's if they dared show a positive non-white character in any of it's publications.

I for one think an all white male line up with one broad is freakin' corny. DC wouldn't try to market an all white sausage fest like that nowadays anyway. Oops! I take that back. I forgot about the Batman cartoon. Just another example of why the JL cartoon was head and shoulders above anything else in the DCAU. Blacks, Asians, Hispanics and women make characters a little more different than they would be if they were all white men. If anyone has a problem with that, then they're either racist or very insecure.

As for KC? Not yet. Let's set the stage first with a good old superhero vs. supervillain smash up. It's not like we get to see that in DC movies anyway. Batman's Rogues have no powers and Superman fights Luthor all the time.

[achilles140]

For me the main problem is that they've chosen possibly the worst story DC's put out in the past twenty years, (aside from AA), as their big JLA script. One that utterly fails to capture the grandeur and awe that you should get from these characters all assembled together.

Not a huge, terrifying, cosmic menace like Darkseid and the New Gods invading Earth, not Krona or Starbreaker, not the Empire of Tears, (Moore's version), but Max Lord and the OMACS....

Perhaps they should have started even smaller with a threatened invasion of Earth by G'nort's people...

Then Booster Gold might have teamed up with..oh, I don't know, maybe the Scarlet Skier...to fight the incredible menace!

But then, what can you expect from a couple of screenwriters who got the job because they are related to some D-list actor, (they've never had a screenplay before, and even the studio understands it needs to be completely rewritten). Two people who obviously haven't read many DC comics beyond the ones they've referenced---and those probably simply because they are recent.

Why didn't they get Goyer or Johns or someone like that to write JLA?

[Edogawa1983]

Originally Posted by K-DoG7p7

majority ? he has only in JL and JLU.. Hal has been in Superfriends, The Batman and so on..
hell.. remember when people where screaming about John being in JL .. it was not just because he was the token black guy... it was because KYLE!! has been in "Superman"

how many episode of The Batman was he in

Super Friends... when did that last air?

[K-DoG7p7]

Originally Posted by Edogawa1983

how many episode of The Batman was he in

Super Friends... when did that last air?

Yesterday?

Last episode aird in 86.. and all series have been on constant rerun ever since right now on Boomarang

[BatWolverine]

Originally Posted by K-DoG7p7

Last episode aird in 86.. and all series have been on constant rerun ever since right now on Boomarang

Boomerang??!! ...is Known mainly to kids...who won't be the main demographic for such a movie. On the other hand JLU although an animated series too served an older audience...and they, along with the rest of the kids who grew up with the Timm-verse...known John Stewart as Green Lantern. Oh, they know about other Lanterns', even Earth Men but the current GL is Stewart...not Parallax.

[New Way]

A Justice League movie would work because Superfriends is a culturally iconic show. (little things like which Green Lantern they are going to use really won't matter)

[Evan Waters]

Originally Posted by BatWolverine

Boomerang??!! ...is Known mainly to kids...

And nostalgic adults- a lot of retro stuff is shown on there (I think that was the original point- "Boomer" as in "Baby Boomer").

[Jesusfish]

Do not make Kingdom Come. Make a JLA movie with new actors. Just don't make it about friggin OMACs. Who the hell wants to see a movie about Max Lord and OMACs? Get the script straight and then let George Miller do his thing. But honestly, I may not even go see this if it's about OMACs. And I see every stupid superhero movie that comes out.

[nolanjwerner]

Kc movie would be a mistake.

It requires way too much knowledge for the average viewer to really get it.

[gwangung]

Originally Posted by achilles140

For me the main problem is that they've chosen possibly the worst story DC's put out in the past twenty years, (aside from AA), as their big JLA script. One that utterly fails to capture the grandeur and awe that you should get from these characters all assembled together.

Not a huge, terrifying, cosmic menace like Darkseid and the New Gods invading Earth, not Krona or Starbreaker, not the Empire of Tears, (Moore's version), but Max Lord and the OMACS....

Talk about not knowing the audience...

For a non-fan audience...Max Lord and OMACs would actually work...You go cosmic for later movies...

[breakfast]

No one wants to see a movie about old superheroes. People go see movies about superheroes because people punch each other and stuff blows up. That's pretty much it. They don't go to see them to learn about the characters and maybe end up ponderring about morals and justice (but if a movie accomplishes that, then, well, that's good).

If you make a KC movie, people will get confused. They won't know who any of the characters are, for one, and a movie where they're all old would not be a good way to introduce them. All it would do is confuse people.