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GIANT-SIZE AVENGERS II: THE NEW-TO-MARVEL WRITER GUYS
 by Benjamin Ong Pang KeanAll right. Long-time super-hero fans might not know who Matt Yocum, Daniel Merlin Goodbrey, Douglas Noble, and T. Campbell are but these creators are having their stories drawn by the likes of Paul Neary (The Ultimates and The Ultimates 2), Brian Denham (Iron Man: Hypervelocity, Annihilation: Conquest Prologue), Nelson DeCastro (Marvel Holiday Special 2007, Deadpool/GLI – Summer Fun) and Denis Medri (Marvel Illustrated: The Last of the Mohicans) in next month’s Giant-Size Avengers Special. The solicitation for the issue reads: GIANT-SIZE AVENGERS SPECIAL #1 Written by C.B. CEBULSKI, MATT YOCUM, DANIEL MERLIN GOODBREY, DOUGLAS NOBLE, T. CAMPBELL & SCOTT GRAY Penciled by PAUL NEARY, BRIAN DENHAM, NELSON, DENIS MEDRI & ROGER LANGRIDGE Cover by BRYAN HITCH As the Avengers battle to take down the Serpent Society, the team recalls never-before-told tales of their past! Watch as: Spider-Man tries to integrate into a team and learns a thing or two about history, Luke Cage and Wolverine go toe-to-toe against a terrifying cosmic foe, Henry Peter Gyrich becomes an unlikely hero on an unlikely world, and Jarvis the butler cleans house…after some robot Vikings drop by unexpectedly. On top of all that—it’s the return of the critically-acclaimed Fin Fang Four by Scott Grey and Roger Langridge! That’s 55 pages of all-new comics, PLUS classic reprints from Avengers history! 96 PGS./Rated A …$4.99 All righty then. Let’s get ourselves acquainted with these new-to-Marvel writers, shall we? Presenting Matt Yocum, T. Campbell, Daniel Merlin Goodbrey, and Douglas Noble in part two of our series of interviews with the minds and people behind Giant-Size Avengers Special… Newsarama: Matt, how are things in Israel right now? Matt Yocum: Calm and quiet. But all that can change overnight as I found out last summer with the war. This can be a crazy place to work. NRAMA: Since your last conversation with Newsarama, Captain America is still dead… But your “Memorial Day” short story in Giant-Size Avengers Special is about Captain America. And Iron Man, Spider-Man and Doctor Strange pre-Civil War. What does it feel like to be writing Captain America when even Ed Brubaker doesn’t get to so in his monthly series? MY: I may have Captain America in my story, but Ed and I have the same goal right now. He’s said he wanted to show what Captain America meant to the Marvel Universe. And I’m showing one more example of what Captain America meant, in this case to Peter Parker and how Cap was another step in Peter’s ever-expanding understanding of the “great power” principle. I’m excited to show this moment, as I’m sure Ed loves showing what Cap meant to Bucky, the Falcon, Sharon Carter, Iron Man, and a host of others in the Marvel Universe. I’m also excited to show one of the last moments in time when Captain America and Iron Man stood together on something, before the War and Cap’s death. NRAMA: Who do you relate to the most in the story, and how do you ensure that you do justice to the others as well?   MY: I would have to say Spider-Man. I remember what it was like to join something bigger than yourself (in my case the Air Force), something with a long history and proud tradition. And it takes a while to learn the weight of that, just like when Spider-Man joined the New Avengers. To do justice to the other characters I had to put myself in their shoes. Iron Man and Captain America are the veterans in this case, the ones who have served with the Avengers longer than anyone else on the team at that time. They’re going to recognize instantly if someone doesn’t understand the importance of what they’ve joined. Having been an officer for 14 years now, I can see the same thing in younger airmen, that not all of them get what it is they’re a part of. I have a dear friend living here who was a bomber pilot in World War II and the Korean War (they had an abysmally short life expectancy in WW II – something like 6 weeks if I remember), and it humbles me to be around and talk with him – he’s my reminder of the tradition of my service. NRAMA: What’s the one thing that you hope to leave with the readers after they’d finished reading your story? MY: That Peter Parker is never done learning. And that’s why we all love comics – the journey is the thing. And it’s one reason why we identify with them. We never stop learning, like Peter Parker. And on a purely personal note, I’d love for people to enjoy my voice and want to see more Marvel from me. NRAMA: So it’s not like a “Make Mine Marvel” hope then? MY: If you mean for the reader, absolutely. I want every Marvel comic leaving a reader wanting more Marvel. It means the creators are doing such a good job you want more. If you mean for me, again absolutely. I love the characters and love their journey. NRAMA: Is there anything that you’d like to add with regards to your work on Giant-Size Avengers? MY: Writing this story was such an incredible, sometimes surreal experience for me. I was working on this story when I moved to Israel – I’d get up early each morning to go north during the day to be the US eyes as we observed the Israeli-Hezbollah conflict. Then I’d come home and work on a laptop making changes to the script. And when I’d sit and write, it’s like I could enter another world, a world I’ve loved since I was 10. For that experience I have Joe Q, John Barber, and Paul Neary to thank. I hope to work with all of them again.  NRAMA: Next up, T Campbell, Daniel Merlin Goodbrey and Douglas Noble. Each of you is a webcomic creator in your own right. What got you started on the writing road?T Campbell: Stuttering. Douglas Merlin Goodbrey: On writing in general? I dunno, I’ve just always liked making up stories, ever since I was a little kid. On comics in particular, I started seriously thinking about being a comic creator while I was working on my MA in hyperfiction (interactive stories, basically) back around 2000. I was really heavily exploring what you could do with comics on the web back then and trying to figure out the new story telling possibilities that were opening up. In 2001, I finished my first substantial hypercomic project, [b]Sixgun: Tales From An Unfolded Earth[/b. It was around then I made the conscious decision that this is what I wanted to be doing for the foreseeable future. I also fell into being a new media lecturer at the same time, which proved to be handy way to pay the bills that comics couldn’t. Douglas Noble: I come from a small village, and there wasn’t all that much to do. Most of the time as a child I would find myself running around the woods making up adventures to amuse myself, and I just never grew out of it, I suppose. Who’d want to? NRAMA: How did you come to work with Marvel? TC: That was John. He worked for me, briefly, as an artist before he was a Marvel editor. Moral: Be kind to your artists! DMG: I got the call from John, who was an old friend from the more experimental end of the webcomic trenches. He gave me the low down on what was then the Avengers Unleashed format and asked if I’d be interested in pitching some ideas for it. I of course immediately said yes and then dived into panicked Avengers research for a week as I desperately tried to come up with something suitable.  Much to my relief, by the end of the week I found myself with three story pitches that felt to me like a good fit for the Avengers. These got sent off to John and one of them – “Emperor None & The Sky Full Of Moons” – made the pick for the book. I believe around this point myself and the equally successful Mr. Noble then engaged in an extended round of celebratory vodka drinking. DN: I was asked! John was kind enough to ask me to pitch some ideas, and he liked them. It was as simple as that! NRAMA: Why is writing comics something you've always wanted to do? TC: It's a form that seems to mesh with my sensibilities. DMG: I wouldn’t say I’ve always wanted to write comics. I knew for a long time that I wanted to do something creative with my time, but it took me a while to narrow that down to comics. I always enjoyed reading them growing up, but something about the industry put me off for a long time and I tried out animation, multimedia and just plain writing first of all. I couldn’t really see a way into a job in comics that made sense – my illustration skills weren’t what I felt they needed to be to tell the kind of stories I was interested in but I also couldn’t imagine just being a comics writer at that point. It wasn’t until I started messing around with comics on the web that things really clicked. For one thing, it let me apply my experience from my multimedia and hyper narrative training and for another – quite unexpectedly – I suddenly found myself with a brand new unexplored medium to play with. The more I made comics online the more I realised that what I really wanted to do with my time was keep making comics online. And maybe eventually even try out this weird stuff called “paper” that I heard a few other comic creators going on about.  DN: I’ve always wanted to write, definitely. Comics came a little later on.NRAMA: What were your first comics? TC: Terrible. The first I did that I still sort of like is Fans, at faans.com, a science-fiction comedy action-adventure with elements of horror, documentary, superhero story and other crazy stuff. It was a celebration of science-fiction fandom, basically. That one made my name, and it's where John and I worked together. DN: My first comics were little one and two page things that I eventually bound together in early issues of Strip For Me. As the title suggests, they were done for my own enjoyment – the kind of comic that I would like to have read if anyone else was producing them. Strip For Me has become a bit more ambitious since those first issues, I think. You can see some of that at www.strip-for-me.com. DMG: The first I read or the first I wrote? NRAMA: How about both? DMG: Starting with former – the first comic I had contact with was Eagle. My dad would buy it for me every week and read me the Dan Dare strip, until eventually I was old enough to read it for myself. My other great early comic passion was the weekly UK Transformers comic, me being obsessed with all things robot at the time. In terms the first comics I created – sidestepping the ones I made as a kid, which I’d rather forget – you can read pretty much everything I’ve done since I started on the web at http://e-merl.com. The stuff I was best known for initially were my various hypercomics and Mr. Nile – sort of an evil metafictional version of Scott McCloud. More recently I tried wrapping my head around comics on mobile devices, which resulted in the series Brain Fist that ran for two years before wrapping up this summer. Hopefully it will be finding a print publisher soon, too. At the moment I’ve got two regular webcomic series, All Knowledge Is Strange (“a pictorial almanac of necessary facts”) that runs at E-merl and The Rule of Death at Serializer (a western about a dead piano player drawn by fellow Giant-Size Avenger, Douglas Noble). At the same time as working on my web stuff, I’ve also slowly built up a separate reputation in the UK small press and US mini comics scene. Every time I’d do a show in the US or UK I’d put together a mini of new material so that I’d have something to sell at the Con. That eventually paid off with my story The Last Sane Cowboy winning the Isotope Award for Excellence In Mini Comics at APE in 2005. This was enough to get the attention of Larry Young at AiT/PlanetLar, who put out a trade collection of my print work to date in April, under the title The Last Sane Cowboy & Other Stories. Right now I’m moving more and more in the direction of print based comics, while trying at the same time not to loose my roots on the web. I’m also slowly transitioning away from being a writer/artist to just being a writer because, well, mainly because it’s quicker and I’ve always prized speed when it comes to creativity. NRAMA: Do you have any favorite books in the industry right now? TC: I tend to follow writers: Morrison, Whedon, Bendis, Vaughn, Simone, Slott. But Captain Carrot will always, always have a special place in my heart, so I'm happy to see it back for real, even if only for three issues. DMG: Lots! I’m still spending far too much on comics every week. Current favourites include: Scott Pilgrim, Hellboy, Casanova, Powers, Fell, All-Star Superman, Punisher and Immortal Iron Fist, amongst others. And on the web I’m keeping my eye on: Sordid City Blues, A Softer World, Dicebox, Dr. McNinja, Nothing Better, Zebra Girl, Jesus & Mo and Nobody Scores, among many, many others. DN: There are too many! Right now I’m enjoying The Kurosagi Corpse Delivery Service to an indecent degree, and I’m looking forward to the new Scott Pilgrim book. Um, Suburban Glamour. I tend to buy books, so I’ve been enjoying the recent chunky Essential and Showcase volumes, and Rebellion’s 2000AD reprints which are incredible. Again, I tend to follow the people I like so I’ll pick up anything by Paul Pope, Gilbert Hernandez, Eddie Campbell, Malcy Duff, Grant Morrison, Peter Milligan… it’s a long list! NRAMA: Have you been following New Avengers and Mighty Avengers? TC: I have.  NRAMA: Daniel, Doug, what about you guys? DMG: I started out following New Avengers but kinda drifted away from it a bit, so it’s down to flicking through it in the shop at the moment (That’s Chaos City Comics in St Albans, if I might extend them a free plug). But I’m really enjoying Mighty Avengers right now – thought balloons! Interesting to see an out of favour device being put to good use again. In terms of the characters involved, I’m much more of a New Avengers guy, but there’s something about the team in Mighty that’s really clicking for me at the moment. DN: I read the books, so I often find myself falling behind, but I know what’s happening. NRAMA: Oh, you guys are really busy people after all! What’re some of your favorite Avengers tales? TC: The meltdown of Henry Pym, "Ultron Unlimited" and JLA/Avengers. DMG: To be honest, I was more of an X-Men fan growing up and Avengers never really got that much of a look in. Marvel are good at giving you a feeling of the bigger picture no matter which corner of their Universe you’re hanging out in, so I’ve always had a sense of who the Avengers were and why they were important. But when I was really heavily reading superhero comics back in high school, the mutant angle just hooked me more in X-Men. These days I tend to follow creators rather than specific titles, so it wasn’t until Bendis started writing the book that I started paying attention. Good job I did too, otherwise wrapping my head around my own Avengers story would have been all the more difficult. I also rather enjoyed Millar’s run on The Ultimates. Not technically an Avengers book I know, but certainly Avengers in spirit. NRAMA: Doug, what about yours? DN: That’s easy: Avengers #298. The Avenger’s have disbanded, and Jarvis has nothing else to do except his mother’s shopping and pick up girls. Oh, and machines are coming to life too, but that’s barely important. Also Avengers #201, which features the single greatest Perez Avengers cover and, oddly enough, has a short Jarvis adventure in which he gives a bully what for and completely misunderstands what Yorkshire Pudding is. I’m all about the butler, as if you hadn’t guessed! NRAMA: Tell us a bit about the segment of the book you are working on: “Panegyrich” by T, “Emperor None” by Daniel and “Good Housekeeping” by Douglas. TC: Mine is an odd romp, set during the time that government stooge Henry Peter Gyrich had real influence over the team. Gyrich, Cap, Thor and Iron Man get transplanted to an unknown alien world, which they have to defend. The super-heroes are messed up pretty badly from an earlier battle, so Gyrich's role is larger than you might expect. DMG: I think somewhere I can find the original pitch I wrote for my story. Let’s see… ah yes, here we are: Emperor None & The Sky Full of Moons The Avenger’s greatest nemesis has struck again! Pan-dimensional performance artist Emperor None has filled the night sky of Manhattan with moons and awaits only the arrival of the Avengers for his latest masterpiece to be complete. Only… this is Earth 616 - no one here has ever heard of Emperor None. And the only Avengers on call are Luke Cage, Spider-man and Wolverine, suffering through their first night together on watch duty. The new “street level” Avengers versus a cosmic enemy they’ve never heard of who’s also never heard of them. Surely things can’t end well? They don’t! And that’s the story in a nutshell. Only, it kinda got a lot stranger in the telling. NRAMA: Like other-dimensional stranger, right? Okay, you’re up next, Douglas… DN: Jarvis dusts the Avengers Mansion. NRAMA: Jarvis! DN: Oh, yeah, it just so happens that he tries to do the dusting while the mansion is under attack by a veritable horde of robot Vikings. So that makes things a bit more difficult for him as he has to work around an enormous battle between a classic Avengers line-up and the robots. But really, it’s still about the dusting! NRAMA: What’s it like to be writing Henry Peter Gyrich, Captain America, Iron Man, Thor, Spider-Man, Luke Cage, Vision, Scarlet Witch, and Jarvis? TC: It's a blast, of course. I loved Gyrich even before I realized he was Jim Shooter as written by Jim Shooter. He's the classic example of "the hero in his own mind," which makes his interactions with super-heroes funny and poignant to me. Readers of Fans will know that I like writing pure characters in adversity, so Cap and Thor came easily. Iron Man took some work, until I realized that the man he was in the Gyrich era would hate the man he's become now. So his bit is poignant, too. DMG: Oh, it’s a blast. I get to play with Spider-Man, Luke Cage and Wolverine and really, who could ask for more on their first time at bat for Marvel? NRAMA: Dreams do come true after all… DMG: I write most of my comics starting from dialogue and then working backwards and sideways till I have the rest of my story. And the thing about Peter, Luke and Logan is that they’ve all got such distinctive voices, they really do write almost the whole thing for you. You just have to set Peter going and it doesn’t take long before he’s really getting on Luke’s nerves. And okay, Logan doesn’t say much at all because he’s Logan but still, those are some great silences. The learning curve for me and something that John helped with a lot as an editor was how to ensure the comic didn’t come across as just too much of a talking shop without any real meat to the story’s bones. Peter would talk all night if I let him, but at some point you’ve got to throw the beat-down and you’ve got to make that beat-down interesting and meaningful or you ain’t really got yourself an Avengers comic. NRAMA: And what’s reality like for you, Douglas? DN: Frighteningly enjoyable. I had a whale of a time writing all of them, especially Jarvis, of course, but the heroes too. Thor in particular was great to write, as he has such a fun turn of phrase. Actually, I tried to get a little bit of flyting in for Thor, which is something that you see in old Norse sagas. It’s basically when the Viking warriors would yell abuse at their enemies before engaging in battle, although sometimes the battle would be fought entirely in insults. Anyway, I was pleased to get that in there. Also Hawkeye. You can never have enough Hawkeye. NRAMA: T, what is the “History of the Avengers according to T Campbell”? TC: I'm mostly out of the historian game, but you gotta do your homework. Before I wrote this, I got myself one of those 40 Years of the Avengers DVD-ROMs and read till my eyeballs fell out. The Avengers have a quality that transcends their wildly rotating membership. There's a sense that they're "the best of the best" anywhere, not just heroes, but the greatest heroes, like Agamemnon's army or the Knights of the Round Table. Busiek made this obvious, Bendis is subtler about it, but it's always there, and that's what I wanted "Panegyrich" to play with. NRAMA: “Panegyrich” is not the Marvel version of Fans, right? TC: People who follow me from project to project seem to be following the way I play with character, dialogue, themes, genre, structure and plot. It can't be that they love one particular kind of story, because I'm all over the map. Fans you know, Rip and Teri was a spy action romance, Penny and Aggie is a teen comedy, Tokyopop's Divalicious is a teen comedy plus intrigue and music-industry satire, and Cool Cat Studio is about relationships with a bit of fantasy and science fiction. I guess humor and action do show up pretty often in my work, and "Panegyrich" certainly has both. What can I say? I want people to have a good time. NRAMA: Daniel, John said earlier that you have a very unique take on superpowered characters. Let’s say that you’re asked to propose new ways to experiment with the Avengers ala your works on comics, webcomics and hypercomics on E-merl.com. How would you define a very successful experiment? Daniel Merlin Goodbrey: For me success in an experiment is quite a personal thing. What I’m usually looking to do in each new comic project I create is at least one thing I’ve never done before. Every time I get to do something new, it feels like making the comic was worth it. The new thing this time with Avengers was… well, everything, really. A ten-page superhero short story using someone else’s characters was pretty far from the bread I’m used to buttering. But okay, how would I recreate my New Avengers story webcomic style? Well, I’d want to make sure Brian was cool with me playing with his pages, but that proviso aside, let’s see… One nice thing about comics on the web is the ability to establish a real steady pace in how the reader moves through the story and then subvert that for deliberate effect. In print you’re always held ultimately to the turn of the page as a pace setter, but on the web any kind of page turn is a purely arbitrary invented thing on behalf of the creator. “Emperor None” is story that moves from one version of reality into a much more twisted place and Brian was very clever in mirroring that in his page layouts. Things are kept very simple and old school in terms of layout during normal reality but then really explode when things go off the deep end. On the web that difference could be pushed even further, because you’d not only be able to change the layout, the very act of navigating through the story could suddenly be turned on its head. You could also start to introduce elements of animation and sound, providing you do it smart, so that it doesn’t interrupt the flow of reading or take too much control out of the reader’s hands. The trick is small loops of incidental animation, and using animation to move panels around rather than moving things too much within the panel. The important thing is establishing rules for yourself on how and when to use these things, and making sure those rules serve the narrative of your story, rather than the other way around. Useless bells and whistles will always be exactly that. Any kind of story that plays with reality can benefit from what the web has to offer in making those moments stand out from the rest of the comic. And really, what are superpowers in general but subversions of reality? NRAMA: Did you feel the need to put some of your success stories and lessons learnt to good use when you started putting “Emperor None” together? DMG: I didn’t really draw as much from my online work as I did from my alternate reality stories collected in The Last Sane Cowboy. The basic approach I used there is the one I applied to The Avengers; first, I try and make the world my characters inhabit as strange and surreal as possible. Then I try to make that world a place they really do inhabit – the weird becomes the norm and gets treated as matter-of-fact as possible. It’s what I usually describe as “deadpan surrealism” when I’m trying to sell it to someone. The whole thing is a bit of a balancing act – it’s a work for hire gig and you have to give Marvel something they can use and that fits with the tone of their Universe. But at the same time you have to write a story with a lot of yourself in it, otherwise what was the point in Marvel hiring you to write it rather than someone else. I hope it’s a balancing act that I’ve managed to carry off and that I’ll get more chances to practice it in the future. NRAMA: Pitting the Avengers against an other-dimensional foe. What’s so unique about your story then? DMG: Oh Lord, now you’re asking. I don’t want to go making claims for my little tale above its station. But I think it’s a fun, weird romp that puts Peter and Luke through an in interesting wringer and allows Logan to be as badass as he always should be. It’s a story about being over your head in a new job, which is something I hope a lot of people can identify with. It’s also about a crazy performance artist dropping other-dimensional copies of the Earth’s Moon on Manhattan because his art demands it of him. I think we’ve all been there too, haven’t we?   NRAMA: Douglas, using the Brian Hitch cover to Giant-Size Avengers as a guide, how can you describe it, Elephant Words-style? Douglas Noble: Haha, no, I wouldn’t even try, as that veers uncomfortably close to being fan-fiction, which just isn’t for me. Elephant Words is a web-site I’m involved with in which six writers each tell stories reacting to an image that is posted at the start of the week. A new story every day. It’s not comics, but it is fun – it can be found at www.elephantwords.co.uk. Great picture, though. NRAMA: John described you as a “big super-hero guy”. Now, why do you think that not all alternative creators like super-hero stuff? DN: Well it’s a matter of taste, foremost. Why should they like super-hero comics? I’m a big fan of Ingmar Bergman’s movies, but I wouldn’t have wanted to see him forced into making a Rush Hour sequel. That said, I do think that most creators have an affection for super-hero comics, to be fair. Otherwise you wouldn’t be able put together projects like DC’s Bizzaro books or Marvel’s forthcoming indie title. I think the problem comes with certain fans who want to distance themselves from what they see as juvenile material. It’s a classic case of setting up an “us and them” situation. There’s plenty great work being done on either side of the indie/mainstream divide. I think it’s obvious that there’s more than enough room for both, and the medium is enriched by the diversity. I wish there were more romance books though! NRAMA: For you, now that you’d been given the opportunity to prove your worth with your story, what’s the best part about pitting the Avengers against robot Vikings? DN: Prove my worth? Am I one of the kids from the Defenders of the Earth? It’s been fun writing something with lots of action in it – it’s a ten page story but I think eight of those pages are full-on Avengers vs Robot conflict. Those readers familiar with my comics will be surprised, I think, as I tend to write emotional turmoil rather than laser blasts. There’s a place for both in this world. The best part has been seeing my scripts change into Nelson’s phenomenal artwork. I don’t have enough good things to say about him, to be honest. Because I usually draw my own scripts, it’s amazing for me to see the amount of detail that Nelson has managed to draw out from the words that I wrote. I keep on noticing new things that I didn’t ask for that fill the comic with life and fun. I’m both jealous and jubilant! NRAMA: How fun was writing the butler in the midst of all the chaos? DN: Well, Jarvis was the immediate thought that I had when John asked me to send some ideas in. I knew that it would be fun from the get-go, but writing Jarvis was like a dream. I could quite happily have written five hundred pages of him just tidying up. I may still – I didn’t even get into his adventures while vacuuming the carpet! But why should I stop there? There are so many other people who enjoy tidying up in comics! There’s Aunt May, of course, and Wong. There’s even another butler in comics called Alfred or something. That might be fun. Previously: GIANT-SIZE AVENGERS I: JOHN BARBER |
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This should be a fat juicy read when it comes out.
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11-22-2007, 11:08 AM
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I'm a total mark for the Avengers, so I will be getting this comic.
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Except Spider-Man joined the Avengers ages and ages ago, even if he was never an active member. Of course, that could try to give some explanation for all of that, I suppose, since every other time he's worked with the Avengers, everyone's come away with the feeling he doesn't really fit in in that situation. Quote:
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Heh. Subtler in that it's not there... I'll flip through this in the store, but from the sound of it, it's more New Avengers than Avengers, so I'll probably end up giving it a pass. If I wanted to read about Spider-Man or Wolverine, well, they've got 20 other books I'd be buying. |
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11-22-2007, 12:08 PM
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I buy a whole lot of Avengers stuff already, so I was going to get this, but Matt Yocum seems a geniunely nice guy who's excited to be at Marvel. I will buy his next book.
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11-22-2007, 12:15 PM
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Christ, is that art (in the middle) what passes for standard at Marvel these days?
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11-22-2007, 12:24 PM
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11-22-2007, 12:54 PM
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No sir, I don't like it. The art I mean.
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11-22-2007, 12:58 PM
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Why on Earth are people being so down on this title already? Motteditor's making criticisms that it's too 'New Avengers'-centric and people are bashing the quite inoffensive art. Why?
This is a book showcasing exactly what comics (certainly this sort of comic) should be out - new creators trying out original ideas with established characters. I mean, the Emperor None story plays on a brilliant point about how the New Avengers are very street level, potentially introduces an interesting new villain and plays with the concept of alternate realities to give an interesting twist. I'm hooked by that one alone, but someone's telling a story about Jarvis dusting? I'm sorry, but you know that if there is a story for something that (seemingly) simple, it'd better be a damn good one. Whining about what you dislike about the big, mainstream titles is just unfair to a title like this, which is so obviously not mainstream, not anything to do with those books, and even looks to be gently ribbing them. I'm going to give this ride a try, and so should you. |
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11-22-2007, 01:58 PM
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How are things in 1979? Good? Good. |
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11-22-2007, 01:59 PM
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Ugh. When will these colorists remember that the stripe directly under the star on Cap's chest is always red??
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11-22-2007, 02:18 PM
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Good to see former webcomics gurus T.Campbell and Goodbury and the rest move into the BIG leagues. They've done wonderful stuff in the past---it'll be interesting to see what they do with "established" character.---Al
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Exactly. How many times are people gonna complain that comics have expanded beyond sitcom-style scripts? Where there is a bad guy, two characters argue, they finally beat the bad guy, and there is a moral lesson sandwiched in there that makes you gag. If you want comics that use unbelievably archaic dialogue, contain characters that act as the stereotypes that were acceptable in the 1960's, and cookie-cutter, one-and-done stories that read like a script for Mr. Belvadere, then stick to the black and white "essential" TPB's. |
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11-22-2007, 07:32 PM
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Here here! As punishment, I hereby refuse to buy comics forever! |
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11-22-2007, 07:46 PM
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But seriously "robot Vikings"? Sold! Last edited by ZampDiSata : 11-22-2007 at 08:12 PM. |
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11-22-2007, 08:18 PM
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espically that cover. Now other than daniel ways unprofessional i don't give a rats azz about readers opionions i have never critiqued anyones work other than great stuff. But thst cover is really really really azzz. It looks like a trailer park costume party. evryone just looks dirty and not theaactual characters. |
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11-22-2007, 10:52 PM
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11-22-2007, 11:00 PM
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this looks to be a nice book. art looks great. am lookin forward to gettin and ready this...but then again im a total avengers fan.
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11-23-2007, 12:00 AM
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What about Cadbury and Irona?!  Hehe. This sounds like a fun and interesting mix. I'm game. |
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11-23-2007, 03:31 AM
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I'd love his enthusiasme about Jarvis*g* Honestly, my dream book would have Jarvis, aunt May and Alfred teaming up and it would be awesome. |
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11-23-2007, 10:16 AM
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Sorry, but its not about being stuck in 1979. It is about characters acting and sounding like themselves. Both New and Mighty Avengers appeal mainly to NEWBS who have no idea how out of character some of the people are being portrayed. Even NON-Avengers mainstays are not handled well. Anyone can look at BKV, Whedon or Way to see how to write a MODERN, IN-CHARACTER Dr Strange or Wolverine. Character voices say alot, and from Hawkeye, to Scarlet Witch, to Ms Marvel, to Iron Man, to Ares, to Wolverine, to Dr Strange it is obvious... Bendis has his little sandbox of characters he handles well...(Luke Cage, Jessica Jones, Peter Parker, Jessica Drew, Rob Reynolds, Matt Murdock)...outside of these guys, he doesnt handle their actions, or even their dialogue true to form... BUT SOME PEOPLE ARE SO OBSESSED WITH 1) ERASING PREVIOUS CONTINUITY (To cater to people too lazy to do their homework) 2) HIP DIALOGUE (Which covers up for plotholes and weakness of ability to write sci-fi) 3) MAKING EVERYTHING URBAN AND STREET LEVEL (As if he's embarassed for being a comic fan) THAT THEY DONT CARE HOW OUT OF CHARACTER, TONE, GENRE THE COMIC IS. HOW ABOUT INSTEAD OF SACRIFICING THE REGULAR 50,000 AVENGERS READERS TO GET 150-200,000 NEW AVENGERS READERS, YOU MAKE A COMIC THAT GETS NEW AVENGERS AND CLASSIC AVENGERS FANS READING AND ENJOYING.... MIGHTY AVENGERS WAS SUPPOSED TO BE IT.... still waiting |
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11-23-2007, 12:21 PM
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It's a preview to try to get people interested. If it had featured Hawkeye and Wanda and Vision and Jan and Hank, I'd be very excited. Their preview didn't really interest me, though it was enough that I will look at it in the store and see if my mind changes. That's more than the solicit did, considering it only mentioned Spider-Man and Wolverine. That's the problem with previews like this -- sometimes the reaction to what's being offered won't be good. |
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11-24-2007, 08:31 AM
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Too Many Avengers
I used to think it was rough when you only had Avengers and Avenger West Coast to deal with!
I need a map! Or I'm gonna have to run to wikipedia for help. |
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