BENDIS HAS A SECRET...WAR

[Ace]

Hey, unlike the Ultimate version of Fury (and the best part of Ultimate Six is seeing him get his), I actually like the MU version quite a bit.

I'm hoping we won't have too much wolverine, (or at least if we do he's the right height), but this sounds pretty great to me. I can't wait to see what big secret Fury finds. Bendis always seems the sort to use marvel's rich continuity (which is the difference between marvel and DC and everyone else) constructively instead of destroying it left and right.

Matt

[DarthRandall]

Don't really have much to add here. If Bendis wrote the f'n phone book, I'd buy it. Throwing Gabriele Dell’Otto into the mix just makes it all the more enticing. His Elektra cover from a few months back is probably the greatest piece of cover art I've ever seen. His stuff here kinda looks like Kubert-1602 kinda stuff.

[Johnny Triangles]

Originally posted by BoyWonder
Not a fan of Bendis, but this sounds really good. Count me in.

Also, I'm a bit intrigued by who the main villian is going to be? I don't think it will be the Kingpin, who is the main boss in New York since Daredevil took him down recently. Anyone care to speculate on who the big bad guy is?

If there is one thing that I don't like about the article is Bendis saying the mutants will split from the other heroes. I always liked the idea that all the heroes weren't bigots and fully trusted the X-men and vice-versa. I just thought it was cool that when the sh*t hit the fan everyone pulled together. Of course I'm just speculating here and not prejudging

I always thought that mutant and non-mutant superhero conflicts are way overdue. Sure the Avengers don't overtly discriminate against mutant heroes, but they sure don't do a lot to help them. The Avengers have made extensive use of mutants and their abilities in their rosters over the years, but they never get involved in mutant issues or defend mutant rights whenever there is a mutant controversy in the MU. Whenever mutants are under fire for something, have we ever seen Captain America give a press conference to quell anti-mutant hysteria or publicly defend mutants?

I always thought it'd be cool if a major mutant controversy happened, along the lines of onslaught or something, lots of anti-mutant hysteria ensued, and the Avengers pussyfooted on tackling the issue to the point that Quicksilver, Scarlet Witch and every other mutant decides to "strike." No mutants joining Avengers or any other nonmutant superteams until those said teams publicly address mutant rights. You could even have a few nonmutant superhero sympathizers boycott too. It could lead to a year ot two of cool subplot stories with the Avengers trying to find new talent now that no mutants are available, and in the X-books you could have mutants like Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch who've had little to do with the X-World over the years trying to re-assimilate into the mutant world and realizing they don't fit in anymore. You could have some mutants ignore the strike and join the Avengers anyway and be called "scabs" and "sell-outs." The possibilities are endless, and I hope such a schism is touched upon in this series!

[Evil Onion]

This story actually sounds a little similair to a 2 part series that came out 5 or 6 years ago from Marvel called Conspiracy.... where a Bugle writer finds information sudgesting that super heroes and villains are the result of governments or something... I can't remember it all that well or who wrote and painted it, but I do remember it being a good read... does any one else remember this comic?

[Grendel Prime]

Originally posted by MattBrady
And yes, Luke and Jessica are in Secret War.

Sold!

[J.D. Lombardi]

Good interview! lol I think Bendis is taking the EASY way out on this mini though... I mean anyone can take that lame-o Beyonder out of the series...the key would be for Bendis to make that white denim suit and his gerry-curls be COOL...

[dj_me]

Originally posted by cyclopsfan
Actually, DAREDEVIL! (also written by Bendis) is the newest "Kingpin". OMG HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM

Very interesting. Did you see the preview of the January issue of Daredevil in Previews? I has Daredevil unmasked, standing above a fallen Kingpin. But no, Daredevil as a evil empirer/crimeboss-type just doesn't seem to work. Then again, Bendis is amazing and could make just about anything crazy-awesome!

Go Bendis / Go Bendis / It's your birthday / Go Bendis




Sorry, I had to break it down like that.

[Aquaboy]

the big reveal SHOULD be the beyonder with the big 80's perm and that white jumpsuit he wore.
it'd scare the crap out of me if i saw someone in public in that get up.

altho i look forward to seeing bendis write this team of characters.... esp. jessica on this team!

[BoyWonder]

Originally posted by World Famous J. Triangles
I always thought that mutant and non-mutant superhero conflicts are way overdue. Sure the Avengers don't overtly discriminate against mutant heroes, but they sure don't do a lot to help them. The Avengers have made extensive use of mutants and their abilities in their rosters over the years, but they never get involved in mutant issues or defend mutant rights whenever there is a mutant controversy in the MU. Whenever mutants are under fire for something, have we ever seen Captain America give a press conference to quell anti-mutant hysteria or publicly defend mutants?

I always thought it'd be cool if a major mutant controversy happened, along the lines of onslaught or something, lots of anti-mutant hysteria ensued, and the Avengers pussyfooted on tackling the issue to the point that Quicksilver, Scarlet Witch and every other mutant decides to "strike." No mutants joining Avengers or any other nonmutant superteams until those said teams publicly address mutant rights. You could even have a few nonmutant superhero sympathizers boycott too. It could lead to a year ot two of cool subplot stories with the Avengers trying to find new talent now that no mutants are available, and in the X-books you could have mutants like Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch who've had little to do with the X-World over the years trying to re-assimilate into the mutant world and realizing they don't fit in anymore. You could have some mutants ignore the strike and join the Avengers anyway and be called "scabs" and "sell-outs." The possibilities are endless, and I hope such a schism is touched upon in this series!

Yes your idea would lead to a whole load of sub plots. However, Marvel don't work in that way now. Each book is individualised, so no cross title sub plot would be allowed, that would imply continuity and we know Nu Marvel doesn't like that. It might mess up there tpb strategy

However, more generally I don't think the Avengers or anyone else would stand around if there was a major mutant crisis. Can you imagine Spiderman not helping someone out because they were a mutant? It would never happen. The reason that mutants aren't dealt with more in other Marvel books is probably to stop Marvel Comics becoming Mutant Comics.

[Cartoon Jay]

I haven't been reading any Marvel titles for the past few years, but the story here sounds really good.

But the painted art kills it for me. It dosen't feel right, dosent feel like a superhero comic. It makes it a little inacessable, and makes it feel like its outside continuity because it dosen't look like any of the other comics look. It's not bad work, it just dosen't seem to fit.

[TravisWHoward]

Originally posted by Evil Onion
This story actually sounds a little similair to a 2 part series that came out 5 or 6 years ago from Marvel called Conspiracy.... where a Bugle writer finds information sudgesting that super heroes and villains are the result of governments or something... I can't remember it all that well or who wrote and painted it, but I do remember it being a good read... does any one else remember this comic?

Yeah, here's the details:

http://www.samruby.com/OtherTitles/O...onspiracy1.htm

Writer - Dan Abnett
Painter - Igor Kordey
Cover - Igor Kordey
Letterer - Chris Eliopoulos
Design - John Marasigan
Editor - Kelly Corvese
Assistant Editor - Jason White
Editor In Chief - Bob Harras

2 issue series that deals with the theory of a possible conspiracy related to the many super powered beings in the Marvel Universe. Spider-Man makes cameo appearances only in the series. This issues theorizes that there was more than one person Irradiated by Radiation at the Experiment in which Peter Parker gained his spider powers.

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Decent series, but I wish it had lasted longer. Interesting idea that the Hulk problem was never solved simply because it provided the military with an unlimited budget every year.

[Skyldt]

SWEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEETTTTTTTTTTTT!!!!! i can't wait. Dell'otto is amazing, some of the best art i have seen in years. with any other author on this book, i would still buy it because Dell'otto is on it. but with Bendis...holy frick, i really can't wait. i can almost guarentee that by the end of next year, this book will be rivaling any other comic book on ebay, probably selling for hundreds of bucks. luckily, only the idiots who didn't buy it when it came out will be shelling out 200 bucks an issue on ebay...i, for one, am not going to be one of those people.
Skyldt

[FIG]

Those painted pages look awesome . Time to head down to the store for me.

[Emma's Boytoy]

BB: People who owe him. He puts together a team of heroes that owe him one and that believe in him enough to follow him blindly into this. They also happen to be some of the best selling characters in comic history, who knew?

ROTFL!!!

Indeed, what a wild coincidence!

From the few sample pages that is shown here, the art work by Dell’Otto is going to make this series a great seller... as if the title of the series and the instant hype that Bendis' name brings to a project isn't enough.

If the rest of the artwork is as amazing as what we are shown here, I'll definetely be waiting in line to buy the oversized HDC reprint of Secret War. This stuff looks to good to be contained in the regular, floppy format.

In the meantime, I am still awaiting for the Daredevil Volume 3 oversized HDC that would reprint more of Bendis & Maleev's run. C'Mon Marvel! Get with the program already!

[dj_me]

What, do you want Ramos or maybe Garney doing the artwork for it? Don't get me wrong, they are good artist's, but their still would be WAY off on this.

You say that "it doesn't feel like a superhero book"; well, it's not - or it doesn't seem to be. Sure, it has superheroes between the covers, but this seems to be more of a "Hunt for the Red October" type story rather than a Superman book.

The fact that they are going with a painter is to show that this is a BIG event. It gives a certain richness to it, like your reading something really special. With special event such as this, I'd much rather see something a little more mature. I want something that can truly set the mood and portray things in a very realistic light. Besided, with painted art, more people will be prone to pick up the book. It gives the fine arts feel that will draw in fans of many different types of artists.

I'm sorry, but IMHO the painted work perfectly portrays the dark and foreboding story that I'm kind of sensing this will be. When I looked at that artwork, it gave me the feel of the book. I didn't even have to read the article to know that this was going to envolve some dark secret and that there are certainly going to be concrete ramifications when all is said and done.

[Taylor Porter]

Originally posted by Chris
You know... Up until the end, I had it completely in my head that this was gonna be an Ultimate Secret War... but realized that it WASN'T... Weird...

Yeah, me too. I guess that when I heard Bendis and crossover in the same sentence, I started thinking of Ultimate Six and Ultimate War (yeah, I know Millar wrote that, but still...).

[bluedevil2002]

Originally posted by World Famous J. Triangles
I always thought that mutant and non-mutant superhero conflicts are way overdue. Sure the Avengers don't overtly discriminate against mutant heroes, but they sure don't do a lot to help them. The Avengers have made extensive use of mutants and their abilities in their rosters over the years, but they never get involved in mutant issues or defend mutant rights whenever there is a mutant controversy in the MU. Whenever mutants are under fire for something, have we ever seen Captain America give a press conference to quell anti-mutant hysteria or publicly defend mutants?

The Avengers did get involved in Genosha, during the Bloodties crossover ten years ago.

[Garth Rockett]

Originally posted by nihilance
I don't agree with this either. The Daredevil issue where the Beyonder gives him back his sight was kind of cool but there were other tie-ins that worked better than the mini-series as well.

Yeah, let's not forget Incredible Hulk #312, one of the best (and most important!) issues of the entire series. Amazing Spider-Man #274, Peter Parker #111, the Thor issue (#363?)... I also remember several good crossover issues, even if the mini itself wasn't that great.

Pet peeve time:

BB: Not to shit on others work, but Secret Wars 2 was douche chill bad.

If you want to slam SWII, fine, but don't throw this "Not to shit on others (sic) work..." line out when that's exactly what you're going to do. Low class, IMO. Make your statement and don't apologize for it, if it's how you really feel.

[Ionicavenger]

rock on, bmb. Give Marvel credit for coming out and saying this will be a quarterly book. Not trying to push the painter like Wildstorm did with Travis Charvest (or however the hell you spell his name).

[Rod Odom]

When all is said and done, the book will be ponderous, indecipherable and boring. The book will be so late that the hardcover will be solicited while the series isn't halfway done. Enjoy.

[Matches Malone]

Originally posted by Emma's Boytoy
In the meantime, I am still awaiting for the Daredevil Volume 3 oversized HDC that would reprint more of Bendis & Maleev's run. C'Mon Marvel! Get with the program already!

I believe this is *also* coming out in February.

[mpg]

not to open any floodgates, but right on. i love crossovers!

[brett]

I dunno, seems to me with all the number changing on issues, different heroes in different places, Spiderman, Ultimate Spiderman/ FF, Ultimate FF, Jim Lee Heroes Reborn FF, I got so confused reading Marvel I just stopped. BTW, I was passing an issue of Avengers on the stands today and they had two -- you got it -- TWO sets of numbers on the issue!

Talk about confusing!

Seems to me Marvel could use a Crisis, not a Secret War!

[dj_me]

Originally posted by Garth Rockett
If you want to slam SWII, fine, but don't throw this "Not to shit on others (sic) work..." line out when that's exactly what you're going to do. Low class, IMO. Make your statement and don't apologize for it, if it's how you really feel.

I think what he was trying to say is that the writers/artists that worked on it do good work, he just didn't like that story. I've said things much to the similar effect when not trying to be hurtful to the people that did the work I didn't like.

[mpg]

good hard working guys can turn out crap. it happens.

he didnt want to insult the man, but the quality wasnt there. i agree with his approach to it.

[MattBrady]

Originally posted by Rod Odom
When all is said and done, the book will be ponderous, indecipherable and boring. The book will be so late that the hardcover will be solicited while the series isn't halfway done. Enjoy.

DO NOT FEED THIS TROLL.

MattB

[Frans Blix]

Sounds like a nice project, but I'm surprised no one is concerned that this thing is a quarterly. So it's going to take a full year for the whole thing. I'd probably wait for the trade either way, but with the standard set of getting books like these out on a monthly or near monthly basis (Kingdom Come, The Nail, etc.), I don't see the point of a quarterly. Certainly not if these 48 pages include ads.

[JimHughs4]

Originally posted by MattBrady
DO NOT FEED THIS TROLL.

MattB

Stopped me dead in my tracks, Matt. That was a close one!

[mpg]

Originally posted by MattBrady
DO NOT FEED THIS TROLL.

MattB

i laugh at loud

another t-shirt idea

[cyclopsfan]

Originally posted by MattBrady
DO NOT FEED THIS TROLL.

MattB

Awwww come on matt. Half the fun is watching the monkeys throw the poop at the zoo