How does Mark Waid know what we're sick of?

[IRO-Bot]

"The good news is, and I guarantee you this, when we're on the other side of the CRISIS, those days are GONE. Just gone. We're sick to death of heroes who are not heroes, we're sick to death of darkness. Not that there's no room, not that Batman should act like Adam West, but that won't be the overall feeling. After all this stuff, after everything shakes down, we're done with heroes being dicks. No more we screwed each other and now we must pay the consequences. No, we're super-heroes and that's what we do. Batman's broken. Through no ONE person's fault, but he's a dick now. And we've been told we can fix that." - http://www.monitorduty.com/mdarchive...stlers_i.shtml

Now.. I'm sorry.. but what makes Waid think that he knows what we want? As far as I can tell, these gritty, dark stories have raised sales high above where they were before Identity Crisis..

Thanks but no thanks, Mark. I do just fine thinking for myself.

[nolanjwerner]

Originally posted by IRO-Bot
Now.. I'm sorry.. but what makes Waid think that he knows what we want? As far as I can tell, these gritty, dark stories have raised sales high above where they were before Identity Crisis..

Thanks but no thanks, Mark. I do just fine thinking for myself.

Ask not what Mark Waid can do for you but what you can do to help Mark Waid bring comics back to 1966

[HowAreWeToLive]

Actually, I am getting sick of it.

[IRO-Bot]

Originally posted by HowAreWeToLive
Actually, I am getting sick of it.

Well, no doubt there are people who are.. but the simple fact is that sales have skyrocketed from these darker-toned stories. I think thats evidence enough that the majority of people are not sick of them...

[Ggg of the Sand]

Originally posted by IRO-Bot
Thanks but no thanks, Mark. I do just fine thinking for myself.

Hey ... I've been living under a rock all summer and even I know that no good can come from that

-- Ggg of the (found your sig) Sand

[bob_at_york]

Originally posted by nolanjwerner
Ask not what Mark Waid can do for you but what you can do to help Mark Waid bring comics back to 1966

I don't want 1966. I want 1988 when the JLI were around!

[HowAreWeToLive]

Originally posted by IRO-Bot
Well, no doubt there are people who are.. but the simple fact is that sales have skyrocketed from these darker-toned stories. I think thats evidence enough that the majority of people are not sick of them...

I'm glad you're saying there are two camps. Now if only DC would cater to both.

[bizarrolike]

way to go mark.......want to set DC back and have them be 5 miles back of marvel like the last 20 something years

[BillReed]

I agree with him.

Current comics suck. ____ the sales, they're all based on hype, not actual stories.

How does "grim and gritty" = modern, or good? It's the early 90's all over again, but with more assrape.

[GCom]

I've been sick of it for a while. The most balanced and human I saw Batman recently was in JLA/JSA: Virtue and Vice, where he actually eats some Thanksgiving diner given to him by Mr. Terriffic, and the follow-up joke the year later. The one with pizza. Yeah.





With Tolerance For Aping Frank Miller...

GCom

[Ggg of the Sand]

Originally posted by HowAreWeToLive
Actually, I am getting sick of it.

I was sick of it after the first two issues of Identity Crisis ... but that's just me

-- Ggg of teh Sand

[nolanjwerner]

Originally posted by bob_at_york
I don't want 1966. I want 1988 when the JLI were around!

Ooh, then you'd better find another creator.

[BS197]

Originally posted by IRO-Bot
Well, no doubt there are people who are.. but the simple fact is that sales have skyrocketed from these darker-toned stories. I think thats evidence enough that the majority of people are not sick of them...

Batman sucks, Superman sucks, and a lot of heroes suck, because they are always brooding. They don't need to be doing the Adam West ("And how come Batman doesn't dance anymore?"-The Simpsons)

[IRO-Bot]

Originally posted by Ggg of the Sand
Hey ... I've been living under a rock all summer and even I know that no good can come from that

-- Ggg of the (found your sig) Sand

Har har har.. I hope you've been keeping the place tidy..

[nolanjwerner]

Originally posted by BillReed
I agree with him.

Current comics suck. ____ the sales, they're all based on hype, not actual stories.

How does "grim and gritty" = modern, or good? It's the early 90's all over again, but with more assrape.

Actually I agree with you.

Almost any time your marketing becomes only hype you get in trouble.

[HowAreWeToLive]

Batman is the only one I want grim and gritty. But not being a jerkwad.

[KyleCowstar]

Originally posted by bob_at_york
I don't want 1966. I want 1988 when the JLI were around!

I want Young Justice vol.2!!!!!!!!

[Michael Hawk]

He reads my mind.

[nolanjwerner]

Originally posted by Michael Hawk
He reads my mind.

Who does?

[nietoperz]

I agree with Waid completely. But for those who don't, LITG claims that DC is developing a darker superhero line as well...

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by BillReed
Current comics suck.

Sometimes I wonder about this place.

[Ggg of the Sand]

Originally posted by KyleCowstar
I want Young Justice vol.2!!!!!!!!

Preach!

Wait ... you're being serious, right?

-- Ggg of the (damn internet and never knowing what anyone means) Sand

[Randy A]

Originally posted by BillReed
I agree with him.

Current comics suck. ____ the sales, they're all based on hype, not actual stories.

How does "grim and gritty" = modern, or good? It's the early 90's all over again, but with more assrape.

you cant say ____ the sales. if you dont have the sales you dont have comics.

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by BS197
Batman sucks, Superman sucks, and a lot of heroes suck...

Still wondering...

[IRO-Bot]

I think what irks me most isn't that Waid wants a return to regular superhero stories.. but the wording he used.

"We're sick to death of heroes who are not heroes, we're sick to death of darkness."

We?