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03-18-2005, 02:40 PM
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SHIPPING CHANGES AS OF 03.18.05
According to Diamond, the following products have had shipping changes. The first date listed is the original in-store date, the second, the revised date.
DC COMICS Green Lantern: Rebirth #5 02/23/05 - 03/30/05 MAD About the Nineties TP 03/16/05 - 03/30/05 Superman/Batman #18 02/16/05 - 04/06/05 Witching #10 03/30/05 - 04/06/05 Catwoman: When In Rome #5 02/23/05 - 04/13/05 Losers #22 03/30/05 - 04/13/05 100 Bullets #60 04/13/05 - 04/20/05 Batman Hush Series 1: Batman AF 03/23/05 - 04/20/05 Catwoman Pin-Up Statue 03/23/05 - 04/20/05 JLA #113 04/13/05 - 04/20/05 Superman/Batman #19 03/16/05 - 04/20/05 Superman/Batman #20 04/20/05 - 05/04/05 Green Lantern Secret Files 2005 04/20/05 - 05/18/05 MARVEL COMICS Kabuki #4 Reg./Hughes Cvrs.+Incentive 03/30/05 - 04/06/05 Man-Thing: Whatever Knows Fear TP (RES) 04/06/05 - 04/13/05 Spider Man/Human Torch #4 04/06/05 - 04/20/05 Astonishing X-Men #10 04/20/05 - 04/27/05 Daredevil: Redemption #4 04/20/05 - 04/27/05 Runaways #4 05/04/05 - 05/18/05 |
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03-18-2005, 03:12 PM
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Re: SHIPPING CHANGES AS OF 03.18.05
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What the hell is happening?  I want my GL: Rebirth and Supes/Bats RIGHT NOW. |
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03-18-2005, 03:16 PM
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Crap, DC is going all MARVEL on our ass
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03-18-2005, 03:18 PM
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Runaways delayed again? Why? What is going on!?
Hopefully this is the last delay for Rebirth. Three Green Lantern comics in May is sweet though. Those Superman/Batman delays look ugly. If it's Pacheco's fault, he better not screw up Green Lantern's schedule too. |
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03-18-2005, 03:38 PM
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I'm gonna get Marvel on yo ass  |
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03-18-2005, 03:40 PM
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Man, oh Man. It had been a long time since I was getting more DC product than Marvel - but I am currently doing just that. It would appear that I have a thing for books which are late. That makes me think that "late" may in fact equal "good" in many cases (heck - most of my favorite artists couldn't put a book out in 30 days if their lives depended on it) - maybe 30 days just isn't enough time to do things the way I like them? Who are some great artists that make their schedules year in year out? I know of a few - let's hear it from the rest of the peanut gallery and give these folks their due.
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03-18-2005, 04:09 PM
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DC Lateness
For Supes/Bats they oughta just cancel this and just go straight to TP or OGN - this is nuts.
I agree with the earlier post that DC is getting to more-n-more late - and getting a sullied rep like Marvel. As for S/B being late - what does this mean for GL - the new series? With Pacheco & Van Scriver are we looking at 5 issues a year for this title? I'm a DC person - so don't think I'm slamming for slammin's sake - I want these books and I want them when they were advertised to come out. I'm a professional - in marketing no less - and I'm used to having fluid deadlines. But when I promise publicly to deliver something - and don't do it - my employer would not waste much time reaming me out - and penalizing my performance review and income (which is why I don't let that happen). Any professional organization - ESPECIALLY a publisher - should be able to manage a schedule better than DC or even Marvel. SURE - there may be delays and other personal issues - hurdles that all businesses must work around - but taking a schedule that was 6-months long and delivering it in 9-10 is just plain bad management. I like the ole Federal-Contract rule for construction projects: if the job is not completed by the delivery date - the contractor is punished $$$/week until it is delivered. Gimme GL: Rebirth with a 5% discount for one month tardiness - 15% for two and 25% for three. See if DC or Marvel can manage a schedule then! |
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03-18-2005, 04:28 PM
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DC has more late books than Marvel?
Damn, that's just plain unprofessional. Right Alfonso?? Alfonso??? Helllllooooooooooooo????? |
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03-18-2005, 04:28 PM
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Mother! Runaways delayed every month! This sucks. I can't take it anymore....ok I'm better now.
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03-18-2005, 04:42 PM
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Hello.
Wow, with DC having more lates, will this spark more of the following stupidity but on the opposite side? as posted on the last shipping changes by someone: Quote:
So, I guess we can expect this paramount of understanding and fairness to post in response to: Quote:
to make the following statement: Quote:
Sigh... A late comic is a late comic, guys. Does it suck? Sure it does, but it is not the end of the world. What? Am I supposed to cheer because DC has more late books than Marvel? Am I to harangue DC, now? Hey, should I attack DC on all of its threads for being so late with Supes/Bats? No, I shouldn't, and I won't. I am not some immature child who needs any kind of attention he can get to make up for whatever lack he feels he is suffering from. For whatever reason, the books are late. As a person who buys the books, the only problem for me is that I have to wait for them to come out...or drop them. If I am not reading them, then this has no affect on me. These minor delays don't cause major problems in the lives of the readers...or at least they shouldn't. Do we want books to be late? No. Should we boycott Marvel or DC because of the lateness of some of their books? Personally, I won't as I am not a masochist. I never agreed with the belief that it is necessary to cut off your nose to spite your face. Comics have always had delays, they just didn't have the internet posting the delays every week in a public forum where whiny wastes of time could go and cry about it. If you enjoy the comic, wait for it, buy it, and reread the whole arc after you have it in hand. If you are incapable of doing that, drop it and wait for the trade. |
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03-18-2005, 04:46 PM
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I think I prefer the Shipping Changes on Mondays as the disappointment, anger and negative posts seem to fit the start of the week rather than Friday afternoon.
 Horrible showing by DC. Superman/Batman is a joke with a title with rotating artists, GL Rebirth & Secret Files is disappointing, Catwoman makes me think Loeb and Sale will never be able to deliver a mini on time and they are now strictly trade going forward. Makes one worry about a domino effect as the DC Universe titles become more intertwined as they seem to be heading towards. Runaways being further delayed really makes me feel that the pass given by a lot of people on issue #2 because it was stated it was done to increase sales by having come out on the same day as the reprint of #1 may have been based on inaccurate info. Maybe not, but who knows. Their list looks like a curse of #4 issues. I think Astonishing has now become a regular late shipper. Listen, I'd rather see delays than to see creative shuffles and lower quality, but I really think these companies need to become better at soliciting their books. If a title needs to be every two months or every six weeks, just solicit it that way. It would cause a lot less aggravation and ill-will. Also, I mentioned in the Tilting at Windmills thread, the large number of delays has certainly forced me to become more patient and drive me to the wait for trade crowd for a lot of books. |
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03-18-2005, 04:59 PM
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You can say that again. (and yes - you can take that literally if you would like.) |
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03-18-2005, 05:30 PM
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I quite agree with our marketing professional above. All of these books being late is quite irresponsible. I say fine them like Diamond does for resolicitations. Whatever happened to professionalism?
I must say this is really becoming bothersome!  |
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03-18-2005, 06:13 PM
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DC COMICS
Green Lantern: Rebirth #5 02/23/05 - 03/30/05 Superman/Batman #18 02/16/05 - 04/06/05 Hum, these titles are drawn by Carlos Pacheco and Ethan Van Sciver (do I spell it right), the ones who will be drawing the new Green Lantern monthl... I mean series. I suppose it will be a quaterly. |
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03-18-2005, 06:35 PM
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Get a grip, DC and Marvel!
I share the frustration of many of the earlier posters on this thread. There are two viable solutions, as far as I'm concerned (and they're not mutually exclusive):
1) Solicit the books on a realistic schedule, including bi-monthly or quarterly. More often than not, they know (and we know) which titles are going to be late; soliciting them on a monthly basis is like throwing a brick at your front window and just hoping that maybe it'll bounce off it! 2) Get a good portion of the material "in house" before soliciting the start of the series/mini-series. They've been better at this in recent years (eg. IDENTITY CRISIS, sounds like the Englehart/Rogers/Austin upcoming series will be all done before the first issue hits the stands) but still stunningly bad in other instances (the Ellis IRON MAN, GL: REBIRTH). Most boggling of all, in my mind, is the BATMAN/SUPERMAN title, which fell so far behind while waiting on Turner during the Supergirl arc. We were told, while that was happening, that the silver lining was that the next arc was WAAAAY ahead of schedule as a result. So we then got a few issues bang-bang-bang (using up the inventory that had been already done) at a better-than-monthly schedule, only to have the end of the arc go late! Why didn't they simply release them monthly, and keep ahead of the wave? Having said all that, I have to close with the wise words of one of our local comic store owners, years ago: "Yeah, it sucks while they're coming out late, but years later, who cares that the last two issues of DARK KNIGHT RETURNS or WATCHMEN was months and months late, or that there was almost a year between some issues of MIRACLEMAN at the end of the Moore run?" So it's a problem that has a limited shelf life, so to speak. :-) (And it beats the Hell out of the old Marvel Dreaded Deadline Doom solution, which was to insert a reprint or filler issue into the schedule and 'make' you buy it if you wanted to keep your run intact.) |
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03-18-2005, 09:41 PM
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Well it's so typical of DC being late with Green Lantern and Supes/Bats etc. etc. Nawww, I can't continue being the anti-Alphonso! (Whom probably won't bother to show up and harrass DC now that they are pulling a Marvel right and left!)
Anyway, I wonder what is up with Pacheco's arc in Supes/Bats, and will it affect the HC due in July? #18 is the last issue right? It's interesting but I don't remember the 12 issue Avengers Forever mini-series by Pacheco taking over 2 years to do. That would imply that he can AT LEAST draw 6 issues a year. Also, Arrowsmith was fairly on time. I think whatever is up with Supes/Bats isn't entirely Pacheco's fault. And the knee-jerk reaction by some people who exaggerate astounds me. I mean blowing off steam is one thing, but to suggest that Pacheco AND Sciver together can only deliver a quarterly schedule, well past has already proven they can at least deliver more than 2 issues a year. Actually, I can only speak for PAcheco, not really sure about Sciver as I've not followed his career much. Anyway, I'm sure with GL you whiney girls will get at least 6 issues a year with Pacheco at least. Now, you want to talk about really pathatic, I was reading the Essential Luke Cage, Power Man trade and it reminded me how badly some of their deadlines were handled back then. But, even on a bi-monthly book they still had to use an inventory story, and based on that inventory story (and some of the others I remember from past) I'd rather have complete stories NOT have fill-ins and have quality work that looks good when collected. Then agian, I switched to trades for the most part, what the hell do I care about delays?  Except for that Man Thing trade, bad enough it was delayed from last Oct. was it? Now, I have to wait another week! You think you comic book readers have delays? |
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03-19-2005, 12:04 AM
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Just wondering, do you folks have a calendar with all the release dates on it or do these updates inform you of the shipping changes?
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03-19-2005, 12:06 AM
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Is this supposed to be released in conjunction with the Man-Thing movie (now direct to tv)? |
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03-19-2005, 12:08 AM
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Okay, I've been a patient man 'til now but this is bullshit...
The Big Two are starting to really get on my nerves:
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Okay, not sure what the problem is with S/B #18, but it's starting to make the previous scheduling problems with McGuinness and Turner look good by comparison. I knew Carlos wasn't the fastest artist in the world, but this is very disappointing from an artist I had a lot of respect for. At least, I'm assuming it's his fault, but seeing as how Loeb normally gets his stuff out on time, I have to. And Rebirth? Well, giving Van Sciver anything resembling a monthly book was always going to be a mistake. I'm starting to reconsider whether I'm going to bother with GL when the monthly series starts. Quote:
Umm, any reason in particular all the late New Avengers aren't listed? Or is this just the latest list of Marvel books to be delayed...  And Astonishing worries me - if the book is falling behind again after having 2 months off to catch up, then it doesn't bode well for the remainder of the storyline. I can see a big wait before 'v.2' gets going. Possibly an Ultimates-level delay. |
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03-19-2005, 01:42 AM
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OK, I'm Worried...
It's been hours, and "Alfonso" hasn't posted yet on how much Marvel sucks or how unprofessional they are... Maybe he fell down a well... Or, maybe it's because DC had soooo many more late books this week.
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03-19-2005, 08:25 AM
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Runaways isn't being put back because its not finised though. issue two was put back to coincide with the release of the second printing of Issue one. Issue three was put back to give more time for retailers to adjust their orders (upwards, i might add . ) in between issue 2 and 3issue 4 is just continuing the trend of the book being the 3rd or 4th week of the month rather than the 1st week of the month |
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03-19-2005, 08:26 AM
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I don't really get all bothered by late shipping and delays because there are just not that many ongoing DC and Marvel superhero universe titles that I get regularly. When issues of comics do come out, I don't always read them all right away because I like to save them up for when I want to read all of a story in a short amount of time and not spread out over months or longer...and I prefer to have comic book issues to flop open to read than to have tradepaperbacks or hardcovers. I'll usually check out the first issue of something to see if I want to keep buying it or nip it in the bud as soon as possible. With all the musical chair and revolving door creative teaming going on, it's not like I'm loyally following a lot of comics month in and month to keep up to date. Artists are the main draw for me in a comic, but I also like a good read and certain characters.
It did used to bother me more when comics were late back in the days when I was keeping up with everything (the gaps between issues of Camelot 3000 got longer and longer as it was coming out.), so I remember how a reader and fan can feel when something doesn't ship on time. The big boy publishers shouldn't list a comic in catalogs if it's not ready at the time of solicitation...a comic should be all written, penciled, inked and lettered at that point, with maybe just the coloring and printing to be done before it is released. There shouldn't be as much up to the last minute production and lateness going on as commonly as there is nowadays, but there can be the occasional glitch here and there. |
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03-19-2005, 10:06 AM
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The only thing that worries me is Astonishing. I too fear it'll be treated to Ultimates style lateness, which is a major shame as it's one of the best superhero team books out there.
Superman/Batman is also bad. I've got the feeling issues 19 and 20 have only been pushed back because 18 won't be out in time. Green Lantern. I was just getting into this, but I think I'll skip the ongoing. The story so far hasn't been that strong to survive the lateness, and I doubt that'll change for the new series. |
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03-19-2005, 12:16 PM
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Re: OK, I'm Worried...
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I too worry about the most stalwart defender of professionalism. Prehaps he has been kidnapped by Joe Quesada! Or maybe a stack of longboxes collapsed, trapping him but inches from his computer keyboard? Or... Maybe he's just an effing hypocrit.... Thank you Marvel for making my day!  I offically no longer care about delays. I am moving to Japan next month, and ALL of my comics are going to be delayed from now on... |
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03-19-2005, 05:06 PM
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I'd think the delays on Superman\Batman are due to Pacheco having to do 40 pages for Green Lantern #1 instead of 22.
Same thing happened to Arrowsmith #6 when Pacheco got assigned Superman\Batman and had to start work on it quickly only for Michael Turner's issues to get delayed. |
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