The Heroes Reborn Shrine

[DilithiumDragon]

This is a shrine to that which was Heroes Reborn.

For those who joined post-90's, there was a huge story called Onslaught in which everyone and their brother got together to fight the mega villain Onslaught. The heroes sacrificed their lives to end the Onslaught, but Reed and Sue's kid Franklin didn't like that much. He created a pocket world for them to live in.

The legends were restarted, and in my own unimportant opinion, they were great!

The art was lovely and the plot very deep.

[Randy A]

So this was a comic? I guess i don't quite get it...

[Terram]

Oh yes, Captain America Reborn was a true classic.

Fury: "As it turns out, your brain was wiped for 50 years against your consent because you disagreed on the atomic bomb by the orders of the highest levels of government. I knew this, I just didn't bother telling you."

Cap: "W-what? That's it, I'm getting on my cycle and leaving to discover the real America"

- 1 week later -

Cap: "After fighting some guys in snake outfits and having a roadtrip in the South, I forgive the government for their unspeakable crimes against me and go back to unquestioningly serving them"

The end.

[Jack Burton]

You forgot Cap's newest weapon in his fight against evil: Breasts.

[Psivage]

I was rereading some of the Hero Reborn the other day, I don't remeber excatly how they came back. So I don't know if the H.R Inhuman still exist on counter earth along with Silver Sufer and all the other heros and villians. Does anyone knows?

[cyclopsfan]

Originally posted by Jack Burton
You forgot Cap's newest weapon in his fight against evil: Breasts.

frank cho must be the greatest hero maker in the world then!

[bananahammock]

Cap and the Avengers were horrible. Why ? 2 words. Rob. Liefeld.

Oh and for what happened after Heroes Reborn, wasn't there an attempt to revisit the pocket world and show off the various superteams there. All I can remember is Doom takes pocket-Earth over, pocket-Earth gets flooded and Bucky still manages to live.

Then towards the end of the first volume of Thunderbolts, Zemo, Moonstone,Techno,Jolt,Atlas and Mach 4 take over pocket-Earth by basically becoming pocket-Earth's saviors or something. I quit reading after that. Anything else happen after that or is there anything I forgot to mention ?

[Darth Presley]

I liked HEROES REBORN FANTASTIC FOUR and IRON MAN. I really liked the Hulk and Iron Man's armor - still have that action figure.

HEROES REBORN was sort of like a pilot/false start Ultimate Universe - except CAPTAIN AMERICA sucked wind.

[csGuy]

frank cho must be the greatest hero maker in the world then!

Rob Liefeld.

Oh and for what happened after Heroes Reborn, wasn't there an attempt to revisit the pocket world and show off the various superteams there. All I can remember is Doom takes pocket-Earth over, pocket-Earth gets flooded and Bucky still manages to live.

I think pocket earth ended up in the same universe or something. Orbiting the same sun except it was now on the other side of it.

[GhettoRebel]

Anybody want to guess when I left comics????

Captain America vol 2 issue 2........

Know why......it stank like 3 dead skunks that had fermentedin a sealed garbage can all week in the Arizone sun after wild dogs ate half their bodies and shite in them...........

The best part of Hero's Reborn?????
(I ended up with a complete run of all HR titles a year or so ago)

Hreroes Return

MArk Waids Cap kicked major ass.

[rubick]

I have most issues of the Onslaught arc, some of it was OK but I hated the fact that Cap, Iron Man etc were used as bartering items in a publishing deal. I think a lot of long-term MU fans went the way of GR and myself, just jumped ship.

How many issues did the 'pocket-Earth' volumes run for?

I think another reason I left was financial - during the mid-'90s I was buying virtually every Spider-book (Amazing, Web Of Spider-Man, Spectacular and Spider-Man), plus minis. Same for X-Books (Uncanny, X-Men, X-Factor, Wolverine, X-Force, New Mutants) plus minis.

Marvel tended to have crossovers between all these titles, and when they started fdoing it for the rest of the MU it was the last straw for me (as a young student with completist tendencies). I just jumped ship.

[Janin]

Originally posted by DilithiumDragon
This is a shrine to that which was Heroes Reborn.

For those who joined post-90's, there was a huge story called Onslaught in which everyone and their brother got together to fight the mega villain Onslaught. The heroes sacrificed their lives to end the Onslaught, but Reed and Sue's kid Franklin didn't like that much. He created a pocket world for them to live in.

The legends were restarted, and in my own unimportant opinion, they were great!

The art was lovely and the plot very deep.

I believe you can buy the entire Heroes Reborn line for a quarter right now.

[DilithiumDragon]

I'm afraid there are too many sad, strange little people in this thread if they can't enjoy something as cool as Heroes Reborn.

Take a look at the page in Avengers #1, and the shot of Avengers island. THEN tell me the artwork was bad.

And as for the Cap story, what's wrong with putting Cap on ice over the nuclear thing? Having Cap go against the president would have been brutal and too dangerous. And him fighting terrorists is the same thing he's done traditionally: he beats up on nazis and terrorists. And if you don't like that, then you shouldn't be reading Cap at all.

And as for Mark Waid's Cap, I have only one thing to say. It was an incredible work too. IF you like whiny crying-in-his-beer Cap. Do you really need to have Cap in a shadow in a corner crying because he's been exhiled? For crying out loud.

[Fazhoul]

Originally posted by Janin
I believe you can buy the entire Heroes Reborn line for a quarter right now.

Yes, but why waste a quarter like that?

[Janin]

Originally posted by Fazhoul
Yes, but why waste a quarter like that?

Especially when I have laundry to do!

[Caine]

Originally posted by GhettoRebel
MArk Waids Cap kicked major ass.

Best Cap I ever read.

[Mickey Mouth]

Originally posted by Darth Presley
HEROES REBORN was sort of like a pilot/false start Ultimate Universe - except CAPTAIN AMERICA sucked wind.

Fortunately, Marvel hired writers, not artists, to do the writing the second time around. Heroes Reborn was, for me, what was wrong with comics at the time in a nutshell. But I'm glad there are those that were able to enjoy it. Just wasn't for me.

[bananahammock]

I still collected HR Iron Man and HR Fantastic Four. those books were decent. But, for me Cap and Avengers sucked. I'm just not a fan of Liefeld's art. It turns me off.

Anyway, since I have those in their complete Heroes Reborn arcs I see that they were all 13 issues instead of 12. All the issue 12's were crossed over with each other for a big Galactus storyline. One HR title was released each week and in each issue the planet died until whatever was the last book on the last week.

Then something which I don't know wether or not was tied to the Galactus books was that the Heroes Return Universe crossed over with the Wildstorm universe or some crap and became the Marvelstorm (I'm only guessing that what it would be called in Amalagam-speak) Universe.

Why was this a reason to stretch the HR books an extra issue ? My opinion was that the Reborn books were getting kind of stale and a lot of people were waiting for the Return into normal Marvel U.

[DilithiumDragon]

Originally posted by bananahammock
I still collected HR Iron Man and HR Fantastic Four. those books were decent. But, for me Cap and Avengers sucked. I'm just not a fan of Liefeld's art. It turns me off.

If you're like the guy above, you started disliking it midway. Which is fine, since the creators changed then, and I don't think it was even Liefeld on it!

And I'll say it again: Liefeld's art was stunning in the issues he did.

Anyway, since I have those in their complete Heroes Reborn arcs I see that they were all 13 issues instead of 12. All the issue 12's were crossed over with each other for a big Galactus storyline. One HR title was released each week and in each issue the planet died until whatever was the last book on the last week.

The 6th issues crossed over as well. The 12th issues were a culmination of all that had been built up for the last issues. The coming of Galactus was hinted at repeatedly, from the very first issues.

The final showdown was amazing.

Then something which I don't know wether or not was tied to the Galactus books was that the Heroes Return Universe crossed over with the Wildstorm universe or some crap and became the Marvelstorm (I'm only guessing that what it would be called in Amalagam-speak) Universe.

Mmm, no, it wasn't called that. You wouldn't understand it unless you read the Galactus story and then that entire story. Had to deal with the universes being messed up because of certain things happening during the Galactus battle. It was a good arc as well.

Why was this a reason to stretch the HR books an extra issue ? My opinion was that the Reborn books were getting kind of stale and a lot of people were waiting for the Return into normal Marvel U.

They had an extra month before Heroes Return came out. It was always supposed to be 12 issues, but it turned out so well that they gave the guys a 13th issue since there was a month gap anyway.

[DilithiumDragon]

Originally posted by Mickey Mouth
Fortunately, Marvel hired writers, not artists, to do the writing the second time around. Heroes Reborn was, for me, what was wrong with comics at the time in a nutshell. But I'm glad there are those that were able to enjoy it. Just wasn't for me.

If you think the Ultimate books are good, it's no wonder you didn't like Heroes Reborn. In the HR issues, stuff actually happens in them. In the Ultimate books, you can read off what happens in a single sentence, which is always a good sign that you've got to put more story into your story.

[bananahammock]

Wow DilithiumDragon, that about anwsered about every thought I had when I typed that. Dammit now I want to go pull my Heroes Reborn books out of the closet. They're in one of 9 boxes in my closet towrds the back. Thanks a lot DilithiumDragon !!!

[DilithiumDragon]

Originally posted by bananahammock
Wow DilithiumDragon, that about anwsered about every thought I had when I typed that. Dammit now I want to go pull my Heroes Reborn books out of the closet. They're in one of 9 boxes in my closet towrds the back. Thanks a lot DilithiumDragon !!!

No worries.

[TTROY]

wow you really need to look at the Liefeld art again..... it was truely some of the worst art there has ever been on a Captain America title...

why

story composition and continuity was almost non-existant from PANEL to PANEL..... the anatomy was groteseloy out of proprortion for chracter from page to page...

The story was tripe enough to make Austen haters compring characterisation a joke.


Heroes rebron was a moderate sucess based on the art of Lee,Portacio and booth. Iron man and FF were the sucessful titles-

but Mister dragon you are going to be in a very small fan club to want liefeld's Cap to be enshrined---entombed maybe


but although iron man and FF got better with reborn...

Cap and Avengers got worse.

Cap was on one of those creative highs with Waid and Garney before and after the liefeld debacle...

Avengers has just got Waid on the book with Weiringo and that was gone


you really aren't going to find much support for your cause here... this was disected years ago and the HR titles were disected reviewed and found to be lacking.

Sorry.

[DilithiumDragon]

Originally posted by TTROY
wow you really need to look at the Liefeld art again..... it was truely some of the worst art there has ever been on a Captain America title...

why

story composition and continuity was almost non-existant from PANEL to PANEL..... the anatomy was groteseloy out of proprortion for chracter from page to page...

The story was tripe enough to make Austen haters compring characterisation a joke.


Heroes rebron was a moderate sucess based on the art of Lee,Portacio and booth. Iron man and FF were the sucessful titles-

but Mister dragon you are going to be in a very small fan club to want liefeld's Cap to be enshrined---entombed maybe


but although iron man and FF got better with reborn...

Cap and Avengers got worse.

Cap was on one of those creative highs with Waid and Garney before and after the liefeld debacle...

Avengers has just got Waid on the book with Weiringo and that was gone


you really aren't going to find much support for your cause here... this was disected years ago and the HR titles were disected reviewed and found to be lacking.

Sorry.

If you're staring at every single panel trying to figure out whether Captain America's shield is exactly proportional to Steve's head, and that they're all exactly consistent, then you really need to get a life. I'm sorry to say that.

What I care about is that it was enjoyable to look at! It was bright, vibrant, full of life, and with good, strong lines.

Scenery was done beautifully. Technology and guns were futuristic, a nice twist. Shadowing was perfect and not overused.

As for me being a fan club of one, that's besides the point.

Would you rather me lie and say I hated HR, when in fact I enjoyed it very much?

[DilithiumDragon]

Originally posted by TTROY
wow you really need to look at the Liefeld art again..... it was truely some of the worst art there has ever been on a Captain America title...

why

story composition and continuity was almost non-existant from PANEL to PANEL..... the anatomy was groteseloy out of proprortion for chracter from page to page...

The story was tripe enough to make Austen haters compring characterisation a joke.


Heroes rebron was a moderate sucess based on the art of Lee,Portacio and booth. Iron man and FF were the sucessful titles-

but Mister dragon you are going to be in a very small fan club to want liefeld's Cap to be enshrined---entombed maybe


but although iron man and FF got better with reborn...

Cap and Avengers got worse.

Cap was on one of those creative highs with Waid and Garney before and after the liefeld debacle...

Avengers has just got Waid on the book with Weiringo and that was gone


you really aren't going to find much support for your cause here... this was disected years ago and the HR titles were disected reviewed and found to be lacking.

Sorry.

If you're staring at every single panel trying to figure out whether Captain America's shield is exactly proportional to Steve's head, and that they're all exactly consistent, then you really need to get a life. I'm sorry to say that.

What I care about is that it was enjoyable to look at! It was bright, vibrant, full of life, and with good, strong lines.

Scenery was done beautifully. Technology and guns were futuristic, a nice twist. Shadowing was perfect and not overused.

As for me being a fan club of one, that's besides the point.

Would you rather me lie and say I hated HR, when in fact I enjoyed it very much?