LEGACIES AND ORIGINS COLLIDE: MIKE CARY & DANIEL WAY TALK

[J. Dincauze]

Originally Posted by Moosarama

You could always read the article, post your own comment, and skip over the others.

Or you could label and generalize the opinions of those you don't agree with.

See, I don't think you are unaware of the massive amount of anti-Daniel Way/Origins sentiment that floods the comments any time the book is mentioned in an article on this site, I think you just don't like how predictable it is. I'm sorry that so many people think this title is horrible, but it always places well in sales, and I doubt it's because of retailer over-ordering, so there must be someone out there who likes it. I, for one, have every issue of the run, and even hunted down the 3 claw variant of the Daken cameo issue that every store got 1 copy of, because I enjoy it and think that the direction Way is taking the character is a good one, honoring much of Wolverine's shadowy past events while placing a nice spin on them that feels relevant and creative. I also enjoy books like Criminal, Umbrella Academy, The Boys, Black Summer, and other more independent, critically acclaimed titles, but feel free to knock my judgement.

Oh, and I'm sure I couldn't go back through numerous threads and find comments from you that were judgmental and divisive. No, of course not.

[Doc_doom79]

Originally Posted by Ace

They better not give Thunderbolts to Way when Gage is RIGHT THERE.

Agreed.

And count me as one of the few that don't really get all of the man love for Carey's X-men work.

Its not that he isn't a good writer, it just feels like 90s fan service doing nothing but filling in all of the plot holes of 90s Xmen.

I need more than that to enjoy a story.

[bluedevil2002]

Originally Posted by Kid Q

I'd been looking for a reason to drop Legacy. Way to go Marvel you just gave me one.

Um, what reason?

They didn't even announce when the two titles would crossover, if it's even a real crossover, or just one of those cases where two different titles have arcs that parallel each other.

[Julius Brown]

Originally Posted by Cray_ws

Wolverine is about as relevant as Ron Popeil's hair in a spray can. The X-Men are dozen cluttered shells of their former selves. Sad part is no matter how brilliant a writer, there's just no fixin' the X-Men.

I tend to agree. Grant Morrison worked some magic by telling all of the classic Claremont types of X-men stories in new ways, but he's been the only one who made the big machine work for a long time, including Claremont himself. This book crossover seems yet more unnecessary excess. Jason Aaron still gets some life out of Wolverine but that's all I've seen recently.

Right now there are plenty of comics better than X-men and better team books, but nostalgia and inertia count for a lot in comics.

[Moosarama]

Originally Posted by J. Dincauze

See, I don't think you are unaware of the massive amount of anti-Daniel Way/Origins sentiment that floods the comments any time the book is mentioned in an article on this site, I think you just don't like how predictable it is.

Huh? I have no problem with people expressing their opinions about a writer.

I'm sorry that so many people think this title is horrible, but it always places well in sales, and I doubt it's because of retailer over-ordering, so there must be someone out there who likes it.

Actually, it's been declining in sales, and it started out having variant covers for ten or so issues.

I also enjoy books like Criminal, Umbrella Academy, The Boys, Black Summer, and other more independent, critically acclaimed titles, but feel free to knock my judgement.

Why would I "knock your judgment"? I think you're out of line for generalizing and labeling those you disagree with.

Oh, and I'm sure I couldn't go back through numerous threads and find comments from you that were judgmental and divisive. No, of course not.

I agree, you couldn't find comments from me that labeled a group of people in a negative way as you've done.

[Janin]

So I'm thinking Bruce Banner/Hulk fits into the whole cabal of scientists screwing with Logan's life in the past, but likely without any knowledge he is doing so.

As for origins ... it has potential ... but it hasn't lived up to it. Legacy isn't bad either, but there's just something off with it too.

[Corpulent1]

I've grown to like Legacy a lot, but there's no way I'm buying Origins. I guess I'll just end up with half of the crossover. If I made it through Legacy's first 3 issues without my brain exploding from confusion, I'm sure I can do the same with half a crossover.

[shreder75]

'BANNER'.?? as in, Bruce Banner?!?!??!
what's the hulk got to do with any of this?

In any event, I'm digging X-men Legacy..what's not to like...Prof X, Sinister, Scott Eaton..Mike Carey..

so are these two X books going to cross over or what?

[Kid Q]

Originally Posted by bluedevil2002

Um, what reason?

They didn't even announce when the two titles would crossover, if it's even a real crossover, or just one of those cases where two different titles have arcs that parallel each other.

According to CBR it is a crossover beginning in September.

I will be dropping X-Men: Legacy, because so far I have found it to be somewhat meandering and pointless. Don't get me wrong It has had its moments. I enjoy Carey's work in general and wanted to see where he was going with the book, but if that direction involves intersecting with a book I cannot abide I've been given a good jumping off point.

On a side note: Why is the 'Rama article so light on details while CBR's is specific?

[Dirk_Anger]

Originally Posted by UltimateXMF

So Bendis wants to use Daken eh?

Maybe he can find something useful for him. Actually, this whole caterpillar thing... Perhaps he'll play into it somehow.

Pretty sure the email was from Warren Ellis, seeing as he's taking over "Astonishing" soon.

[durkadurka]

Originally Posted by Julius Brown

I tend to agree. Grant Morrison worked some magic by telling all of the classic Claremont types of X-men stories in new ways, but he's been the only one who made the big machine work for a long time, including Claremont himself. This book crossover seems yet more unnecessary excess. Jason Aaron still gets some life out of Wolverine but that's all I've seen recently.

Right now there are plenty of comics better than X-men and better team books, but nostalgia and inertia count for a lot in comics.

You mean the post-Messiah CompleX machine isn't working? Could've fooled me. It looks like sales have been pretty damn good lately. X-Force consistently sells out (interpret that as you will), as do i believe Uncanny and a lot of X-Factor. I think Legacy is doing well.
I think the X-books are great right now. The only two that really need improvement or some shot in the arm are Young X-men and Cable. Wolverine has always been hit or miss. And Origins seems to be selling ok. Everything else is fantastic.

[Salieri]

Originally Posted by Ace

They better not give Thunderbolts to Way when Gage is RIGHT THERE.

Nah, just 'cause he's got the T-Bolts former penciller doesn't mean he'll get the Bolts themselves. This is just a little clue that we're getting a radically different team. I mean, who knows, it might be Jason Aaron and Aaron Lopresti.

[Salieri]

Originally Posted by Kid Q

On a side note: Why is the 'Rama article so light on details while CBR's is specific?

Because we're more intelligent!

...Right?

[gypsie king]

I have tried to like origins, I really have, but the whole overarching conspiracy thing just bugs me and I don't like the way Way writes. Frankly the interview held the difference between Legacy and Origins for me. Legacy has arcs of individual events from Charlie's life, the add up to something for him but (if i interpret Mike Carey correctly) are not some big earth shattering conspiracy but a larger tapestry. Way seems to be winding this all together as this giant conspiracy thru the ages and it just reminds me to often of loeb's Wolvie run, thus it makes me sad to see the two titles merge.

I try not to be a hater and if Way is your cup of tea, good for you but this news makes me very sad.

[Colonsus]

Originally Posted by Ace

Well,

X-Men: Legacy is one of the very best books Marvel is publishing.

Wolverine: Origins is one of the very worst.

Mike Carey is one of the best writers of his generation. Daniel Way is one of the least impressive.

Hell, you've got me.

I've found my soul-mate.

Couldn't agree more. That's why I'll be picking up only the issues of Legacy and will be staying as far away from the Wolverine side of this as possible.

I don't care if I only get half the story- at least I'll get the good half!!!

[Jodoria]

Why don't people like Wolverine Origins? I love it. Its the only thing that keeps me interested in Wolverine on a monthly basis.

[StevieCool]

I'm not a big fan of these cross-title runs, as it tries to force you to pick up two trades instead of one...

I've been reading Legacy, but am not a Wolverine reader.
If this title is a continual "Who am I inside" series, then this sounds more like a jumping off point.

No one respects continuity anyways - why should we care about mental details for Xavier? Someone might just magic them away on the next run.

[Salieri]

Originally Posted by Jodoria

Why don't people like Wolverine Origins? I love it. Its the only thing that keeps me interested in Wolverine on a monthly basis.

Yeah, it became fashionable to not like Dan Way after he insulted some fans. His writing is average; like Millar or Guggenheim, he has his ups and downs, but he's not as bad as Jeph Loeb, so I kind of like his stuff when it's good. I mean, weigh it up:

Way's Run = Wolverine was a bad guy before he lost his memories, and has a maniac son who is able to demonstrate the opposite of his powers.

Loeb's Run = Wolverine is an immortal wolfman and any character who has hair on their wrists is also a wolfman. Plus, KILL SABRETOOTH!

[Corpulent1]

I'm not a huge Wolverine fan and I've never been impressed with Daniel Way's writing. At best, when I read his Ghost Rider, it seemed like he was doing his best to channel Garth Ennis, but it came off kind of boring and derivative. I was reading Trail of Tears alongside Way's Ghost Rider and the difference was enough that I eventually just dropped GR and stuck with Trail of Tears. I haven't liked anything else Way's written, either.

On top of that, I don't think Origins really needs to exist. The idea of delving back into Wolverine's past in detail doesn't appeal to me. Part of his appeal is the man of mystery angle. The more they reveal about his past, the more he becomes just some old guy with claws to me.

[mastadge]

They're actually going to get me to buy Origins, aren't they.

[gypsie king]

Never knew Way was a jerk to fans. I just know that I find reading his stuff to be rather boring for me, and again comparing the way Way is searching thru Wolvie's history to the way Carey is going thru Charlie's.

Carey's just seems more thought out and 3 dimensional. Way's falls flat to me.