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MattBrady
11-05-2002, 09:23 AM
<a href="http://classic.newsarama.com/Other_Publishers/originhouse.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://classic.newsarama.com/Other_Publishers/originhouse_t.jpg" width="250" height="95" align="right" alt="The Howlett House, by Andy Kubert" border="0"></a>Readers of Marvel’s Origin miniseries who were familiar with Western North Carolina landmarks undoubtedly felt a small twinge of recognition upon both seeing and reading about the house in which James Howlett was raised. An impossibly large mansion nestled in the mountains has long been a staple of comics, but in this instance, it turns out the Howlett mansion was based in reality.

In the late 1800s in Asheville, North Carolina, George Washington Vanderbilt oversaw a near army of artisans and laborers as they built <a href="http://www.biltmore.com" target="_blank"> Biltmore Estate</a>, with the goal that the mansion and grounds would rival the great manors of Europe. While the house itself was a marvel of then-modern day engineering, the grounds, including the three-mile approach road were designed by Frederick Law Olmsted (who also designed New York’s Central Park). In 1895, the Estate was officially opened on Christmas Eve.

The house still has the distinction of being the largest single residence home in America, despite that the Vanderbilt descendents have not lived there for years, and opened the house to the public in the mid 1900s. Each year, thousands of guests tour both the house and grounds. The mansion never fails to make an impact on its visitors – one of whom was Marvel Editor in Chief Joe Quesada.

“It was just spectacular – I’d never seen anything quite like it, and to actually be able to walk through the rooms and see the original furnishings, and experience the building first hand – I took a lot away from it,” Quesada said. “Later, when Bill and I were mulling around the idea of Origin, and Bill had the idea of making the story about three little kids – I think the original setting Bill had was the plains in Texas, or something along those lines, that wasn‘t very visual, and then the idea of Biltmore came to me.”

When Quesada explained the area surrounding the estate to Jemas, he was quickly swayed to see how it would fit the story perfectly. Like many estates of the wealthy industrialists and heirs constructed in the late 1800s and first part of the 20th century, Biltmore was maintained by a virtual army of servants and other employees. In the case of the Biltmore Estate, the house and grounds lay on top of a mountain, while those who built, and later worked at the house lived in a small village below, now named Biltmore Village.

The social structure of Biltmore was mirrored in Origin, where the Howlett’s lived on the “hill,” and those who worked for them, including James’ companion, Rose, lived below. Additional similarities, although not factually based were the Vanderbilts themselves to an extent, as George Vanderbilt was noted to be more concerned with the arts and had a deep concern for people, much like Origin’sJohn Howlett. Both men were unlike their fathers, both of whom, fictional and real, were the driven industrialists, with Vanderbilt’s father continuing the family business in shipping that was established by George’s great-grandfather, Cornelius Vanderbilt.

The similarities end there, as Vanderbilt had a daughter, rather than a son.

<a href="http://classic.newsarama.com/Other_Publishers/house_08.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://classic.newsarama.com/Other_Publishers/house_t.jpg" width="175" height="144" align="left" alt="The front of the Biltmore House, image &copy; the Biltmore Estate" border="0"></a> Historical digression aside, the social structure of Biltmore was something Quesada and Jemas thought would play perfectly into the story they were constructing with Paul Jenkins.

“You had the family that lived at the top of this hill, and they have so much money,” Quesada said. “George Vanderbilt was born to this, and was very generous with it, investing hundreds of thousands into the town and its people. They became one of the leading manufacturers of faux Louis XIX furniture, because they constructed it for the house, rather than import it. They created a dairy farm, and a full village below which was populated by people who either worked for Biltmore himself, or tended the land or other property.

“There was this fascinating social structure where you had a rich family, but one that allowed the money to trickle down. The family also believed in teaching the people to be self-sufficient, which is why they encouraged them all to learn a craft, such as furniture building, through their establishing of different industries. We used that as a loose foundation, story-wise for the social structure in James’ life, where his father was sort of based on the idea of a young man who was born to these riches, and decides to use them, in part, to look out for the townspeople. Then we created the old man Howlett, who was a real bastard about it, and didn’t approve of what his son was doing at all.”

And then came the art. “As we were going through these stories, Andy [Kubert] came to us looking for some ideas about what we were thinking of for the mansion, and I told him about the Biltmore House, and how the social structure was based very loosely on the surrounding area,” Quesada continued. “I showed him some of the books I had from Biltmore, and he took them home and drew it.”

And then came a problem. A couple of preview images of the Howlett house by Kubert were published in Diamond’s Previews catalog. Somehow, the images made it to the offices of the Biltmore Estate, which quickly placed a call to Marvel, and filed a suit to prevent them from using the image. Given the unique structure of Biltmore, as well as the surrounding area, the Estate has trademarked the image of the Biltmore House, and it cannot be used without paying a license fee.

“That was fine for us – Andy just took an eraser, drew a few new lines, and it wasn’t the Biltmore House anymore,” Quesada said. “It was unfortunate, because they could’ve had maybe a few more people learn about the Biltmore Estate when we’d have said that the house Wolverine grew up in was based on Biltmore. Not only that, we wanted to discuss with them about giving them an ad in the back of the issues that would tell people to go and visit the house. It just didn’t work out, so Andy took an eraser and created his own mansion. All in all, we were only using the façade for maybe three panels – I thought it would’ve been a nice cross-pollination thing, but it just wasn’t meant to be.”

xdemon
11-05-2002, 09:55 AM
Very interesting story. It's amazing what I learn with comic books. :)

Wade @ Sighnub.com
11-05-2002, 10:11 AM
For those of you who are married and get sucked into watching TLC or the Home and Garden channel with your wives, you may have seen the Biltmore.

Lowe's ( the home improvement store ) runs a lot of commercials with staff from the Biltmore, and pictures of the whole estate. They have some sort of sponsorship thing along the lines of, "If Lowes can take care of this house, think what it can do for yours."

Kevin T. Brown
11-05-2002, 10:48 AM
[quote]Originally posted by Wade @ Sighnub.com:
<strong>For those of you who are married and get sucked into watching TLC or the Home and Garden channel with your wives, you may have seen the Biltmore.</strong><hr></blockquote>

My my my... such a negative attitude towards marriage.

There's not a damn thing wrong with TLC or HGTV that one needs to "sucked into watching." I was a fan of both those channels long before I got married. There's more to life than just comics. I just wish there was Lowe's closer to me in the Chicago area... :)

Great article, by the way. This is definitely something I'd like to see more of in Newsarama. I'm sure a lot of us would be surprised where the writers and artists draw their inspiration for their works.

MattBrady
11-05-2002, 10:55 AM
[quote]Originally posted by Kevin T. Brown:
<strong>There's not a damn thing wrong with TLC or HGTV that one needs to "sucked into watching." I was a fan of both those channels long before I got married. There's more to life than just comics.</strong><hr></blockquote>

At least he didn't say anything about Food Network...if he included it in that list, I woulda banned him. :)

MattB

gOgIver
11-05-2002, 10:56 AM
[quote] And then came a problem. A couple of preview images of the Howlett house by Kubert were published in Diamond’s Previews catalog. Somehow, the images made it to the offices of the Biltmore Estate, which quickly placed a call to Marvel. Given the unique structure of Biltmore, as well as the surrounding area, the Estate has copyrighted the image of the Biltmore House, and it cannot be used without paying a license fee.

“That was fine for us – Andy just took an eraser, drew a few new lines, and it wasn’t the Biltmore House anymore,” Quesada said.
<hr></blockquote>

Look at how many rock groups do the same thing with music.

FireLight
11-05-2002, 11:14 AM
[quote]Originally posted by Matt Brady:
<strong>

At least he didn't say anything about Food Network...if he included it in that list, I woulda banned him. :)

MattB</strong><hr></blockquote>

At least he doesn't mention watching the 'Wedding Story' or 'Baby Story'. I'd never heard of these testosterone-reducing shows until I got married. And I certainly never watched either more than 5 minutes without getting thrown out of the room by my wife (those comments of mine, you see).

I'm from NC, so reading this is a double treat, finding out what inspired the creators, and seeing some local locale.

But, does this mean that James/Wolverine is actually from a fictional area of the Appalachians in North America?

Wade @ Sighnub.com
11-05-2002, 11:45 AM
I never said marriage was bad or that the channels were bad - just that I got sucked or pulled or coerced into watching them by my wife. When I probably never would have bumped into them on my own.

Besides the coercing is the best part... ;)

I will have you all know that I am happily married.

My name is Wade Neff and...I...I enjoy Trading Spaces.

(everybody now - HI Wade!!!!!)

Hunter
11-05-2002, 11:46 AM
[quote]Originally posted by Kevin T. Brown:
<strong>
My my my... such a negative attitude towards marriage.

There's not a damn thing wrong with TLC or HGTV that one needs to "sucked into watching." I was a fan of both those channels long before I got married. There's more to life than just comics. I just wish there was Lowe's closer to me in the Chicago area... :)
</strong><hr></blockquote>

Speaking as a married man, getting 'sucked into' something doesn't mean it's a bad thing. I've been sucked into TV shows before -- just not something I was expecting to watch.

Kevin T. Brown
11-05-2002, 12:26 PM
Ok, perhaps I'm committing "testosterone suicide" here, but I'm going to mention this. :)

I like "A Wedding Story", hate all the other "Story" shows though. (I'm a romantic, so sue me! :) ) My wife, on the other hand, despises it. I like "Trading Spaces" (as well as the original BBC version, "Changing Rooms") which I "sucked" my wife into watching with me. I definitely consider both HGTV and Food Network high on my priority list in terms of what channels I watch. Mainly because I do all the cooking and we have quite a number of house projects we're dealing with currently.
So watching both channels gives me ideas I might not normally have thought of... And in case any one else is remotely interested (and I know you all are! :D ), I also love watching Sci-Fi channel, ESPN, Cartoon Network, etc.. Of course, finding the time to watch all this TV is another discussion for another time!

And now, back to our regularly scheduled program.....

cncoyle
11-05-2002, 12:44 PM
[quote]Originally posted by Wade @ Sighnub.com:
<strong>My name is Wade Neff and...I...I enjoy Trading Spaces.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Trading Spaces is the bomb, yo!!! (Except for the perky Jennifer Love Hewitt-clone hostess!)
Alas, my wife tries to make me watch Wedding Story, Baby's Story, etc., but she backs down when I threaten to flip it to TNN ST:TNG marathons!
But I digress... Biltmore is indeed a lovely place. I went there twice in graduate school (architecture), but the most interesting thing is the basement. Personally, I like the cleaner style of the servant's quarters more than the gaudy nigh-Baroque of the upper floors. Plus, in the basement is an indoor swimming pool that reminds me of Lex's indoor digs in the first Superman movie!

Wade @ Sighnub.com
11-05-2002, 12:49 PM
[quote]Originally posted by cncoyle:
<strong>
Trading Spaces is the bomb, yo!!! (Except for the perky Jennifer Love Hewitt-clone hostess!)
</strong><hr></blockquote>

The original host, Alex, was way hotter!!!!

Dave Cummings
11-05-2002, 01:18 PM
Oh, so the TPB to it comes out tomorrow. Hell, I thought it came out earlier. Mainly, because of the fact that the softcover tpb was on the shelves at my local Borders when I went over there last week.

Then again, I was able to pick up the original HC as well as the Jonny Double tpb a week before the comic shops when I went to the Virgin Megastore this past summer.

Just wanted to say that.

~Dave

OM
11-05-2002, 02:42 PM
[quote]Originally posted by Matt Brady:
<strong>At least he didn't say anything about Food Network...if he included it in that list, I woulda banned him. :) </strong><hr></blockquote>

...But then again, by denouncing something as worthless as the Golf Channel or all the variants of ESPN - AKA the "Baskin Robbins Sports Network" - he could have redeemed himself.

Pariah
11-05-2002, 02:47 PM
*Sigh* I lived in NC for 2 1/2 years and never made it to the Biltmore, heard a lot about it though. Maybe going would've made Origin more interesting to me... probably not. I spent too much time on the beach watching the surfers.

Cheap plug time: if you ever get down to Wilmington NC go see Adam on Oleander Dr. His shops's the best in town.

Oh, the memories...

cncoyle
11-05-2002, 02:53 PM
[quote]Originally posted by OM:
<strong>

...But then again, by denouncing something as worthless as the Golf Channel or all the variants of ESPN - AKA the "Baskin Robbins Sports Network" - he could have redeemed himself.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Oh, lawdie, OM, you've thrown down the gauntlet now. You're gonna have a bunch of rapid sports junkies screaming at you. I can hear it now: "But Craig Kilbourn started on SportsCenter!"
:rolleyes:

Jim
11-05-2002, 03:11 PM
Copyright? On a building built before the turn of the century, before the current draconian copyright laws were in place, which even then only affect things created after the late 1920s?

I doubt it. Maybe they have a *trademark* on the distinctive look of the mansion, though. Even then I have some doubts.

To be sure, they would be justifiably concerned about the use of the mansion's image being seen as linking them to Marvel Comics and the details of the story, and a legal request would certainly be justified.

CoreyB
11-05-2002, 03:19 PM
Great article!

One interesting footnote, though:

On August 1 of last year, the Biltmore Company filed a lawsuit against Marvel for using the Biltmore House's likeness.

From Joe Quesada's quotes, I assume that the case didn't go anywhere since the likeness to the building was altered before the book was released, or the case is still pending.

I'm thinking the former, but it could be worth investigating, Matt (unless you already did).

MyWords

MattBrady
11-05-2002, 09:38 PM
[quote]Originally posted by Jim:
<strong>Maybe they have a *trademark* on the distinctive look of the mansion, though. Even then I have some doubts.</strong><hr></blockquote>

I belive it is trademarked, rather than copyrighted - you got me there. As I said in the piece, it does have a very distinctive look, especially with the mountains behind it, the pool in front, and the atrium (to the right of the door) and staircase (slanted lines to the left of the door), the combination of which could be legally protected from unauthorized reproduction, whic Biltmore clearly saw the house's use in Origin as.

And yeah - it was unclear as to whether or not Biltmore filed or threatened to file, but the rattling of the sabre was enough to get Andy to pull out his eraser in the above story. He changed it, and nothing came of it.

MattB

Scott Senay
11-18-2002, 04:49 PM
[quote]The original host, Alex, was way hotter!!!! <hr></blockquote>

She had no charisma, at all, none. Call me crazy, but I'll take teh perky Paige anyday.

Oh my god, what has my life come to? I'm not even married. I need to go watch some football and read the Punisher.