A real live debate: Batman V Superman

[dsbaseline]

In the class i'm in right this second a couple of folks are arguing weather batman is better than super man. Isn't the answer obvious?

[BatWolverine]

Isn't the answer obvious?
Yes, its totally obvious. BATMAN. :D

[MoneyMelon]

Take away Batman's money and he's just a guy who knows karate and likes young boys in hotpants.

[dsbaseline]

Take away Batman's money and he's just a guy who knows karate and likes young boys in hotpants.
damn! I agree buit I never thought of the hotpants part before...

[BatWolverine]

Take away Batman's money and he's just a guy who knows karate and likes young boys in hotpants.
And here goes Melonhead, voicing (once again) his own pedophilic fantasies. :rolleyes:

[MoneyMelon]

And here goes Melonhead voicing (once again) his own pedophilic fantasies. :rolleyes:
Hey, my pedophilic fantasies have nothing to do with this..........I mean........um.......


Dammit! :mad:

[bonsai]

Yes, its totally obvious. BATMAN. :D

For a great example of why Batman could never be better than Superman, click here. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ek-fDygjcQ

[dsbaseline]

I need good solid aguments here not just insults! give me reasons to back up your opinion.

[BatWolverine]

For a great example of why Batman could never be better than Superman, click here. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ek-fDygjcQ
You do realize that this link/argument has gotten old by now. :D

[dsbaseline]

For a great example of why Batman could never be better than Superman, click here. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ek-fDygjcQ

Can't listen cause i'm in class.

[dsbaseline]

You do realize that this link/argument has gotten old by now. :D

I know I know but I'm new to the DC world so I don't feel I have enough credibility

[bonsai]

You do realize that this link/argument has gotten old by now. :D


The truth is never old!!! :)

[NeoSamurai]

Batman is the epitome of humanity.

Superman is an alien wanting to be human.

Batman will never have superpowers.

Superman does.

Batman doesn't let his weaknesses constrain his options.

Superman defines himself by his powers and weaknesses.

Superman is a god wanting to be human.

Batman is a man wanting to be a god.

The question is...which is willing to go the distance to get what they want?

[dsbaseline]

Batman is the epitome of humanity.

Superman is an alien wanting to be human.

Batman will never have superpowers.

Superman does.

Batman doesn't let his weaknesses constrain his options.

Superman defines himself by his powers and weaknesses.

Superman is a god wanting to be human.

Batman is a man wanting to be a god.

The question is...which is willing to go the distance to get what they want?

1) Alien/"god" wants to be human what's wrong w/ humanity?
2) Superpowers! and he still wants to be like us!
3)defines himself by the very things that defines humans

1-Why is he the epitome of humanity? He's rich, he knows karate, his parents are killed tragically when he was a child...so I ask how many people do you know that have been tramitized by the murder of there parents as a child, and than get a nice mansion to live in after.
2-why is it good that he aspires to be like super man?

[MoneyMelon]

Batman is driven by vengeance.

Superman is driven by just doing what is right.

That pretty much says it all for me.

[BatWolverine]

Batman is driven by vengeance.

Superman is driven by just doing what is right.

That pretty much says it all for me.
Batman does what he does without any want or need of the public fawning over him.

One person turns away from him and Supes runs to the fortress or Lois (or both) and is in the dumps for days.

Doing it by taking it as one's *duty* against *looking for fame*? Even the so-called god isn't perfect. :rolleyes:

[Starlord]

Take away Batman's money and he's just a guy who knows karate and likes young boys in hotpants.

It's not his fault! Alfred raised him! :mad:

[MoneyMelon]

Batman does what he does without any want or need of the public fawning over him.

One person turns away from him and Supes runs to the fortress or Lois (or both) and is in the dumps for days.

Doing it by taking it as one's *duty* against *looking for fame*? Even the so-called god isn't perfect. :rolleyes:
Since when does Superman look for fame? Examples?

If anything, he wants the public to trust him so they know his intentions are good.

[BatWolverine]

It's not his fault! Alfred raised him! :mad:
An' yeah, like we don't know what happens on farms...with the farm ANIMALS. :rolleyes:

After all, they were the 'Hormones' of Steel.

[MoneyMelon]

An' yeah, like we don't know what happens on farms...with the farm ANIMALS. :rolleyes:

After all, they were the 'Hormones' of Steel.
Superman has a wife. Batman has a "ward".

'nuff said :p

[BatWolverine]

An' yeah, like we don't know what happens on farms...with the farm ANIMALS. :rolleyes:

After all, they were the 'Hormones' of Steel.
I've stated this point before (in other words)....

Batman fights for JUSTICE...and is not about to back away from breaking any LAWS in doing so.

Superman stops at the LAW...even if it lets JUSTICE slip away sometimes.

[NeoSamurai]

1) Alien/"god" wants to be human what's wrong w/ humanity?

Never said there was anything wrong.


2) Superpowers! and he still wants to be like us!

Yep.


3)defines himself by the very things that defines humans

Yep.


1-Why is he the epitome of humanity? He's rich, he knows karate, his parents are killed tragically when he was a child...so I ask how many people do you know that have been tramitized by the murder of there parents as a child, and than get a nice mansion to live in after.

Because he trained himself to be better mentally and physically. He is peak in mind and body.


2-why is it good that he aspires to be like super man?

to be able to do things to help others.

[BatWolverine]

Superman has a wife. Batman has a "ward".

'nuff said :p
Superman has a DOG too (not to mention his personal Zoo at the fortress). :rolleyes:

[MoneyMelon]

I've stated this point before (in other words)....

Batman fights for JUSTICE...and is not about to back away from breaking any LAWS in doing so.

Superman stops at the LAW...even if it lets JUSTICE slip away sometimes.
Why wouldn't Superman break a law if it was for the greater good? That doesn't make sense.

[MoneyMelon]

Superman has a DOG too (not to mention his personal Zoo at the fortress). :rolleyes:
*Ahem*

http://img427.imageshack.us/img427/8373/bathound20058ok.jpg

[BatWolverine]

Why wouldn't Superman break a law if it was for the greater good? That doesn't make sense.
If you read old Supes issues, in them you will see that when Luthor put in his nomination for the Presidency, Bats came to Clark (and Lois) with the offer to stop him.

Even though Supes knew that Bats was in the right and that nothing good would come out of Luthor becoming the President (which it didn't), he didn't say yes, because of the LAW. He had faith in the American people to do the right thing (paraphrased from the comic)...and we all know how the people did that *right* thing (both in the comic and in real life).

Bats accepted his decision and when Luthor was elected and Supes came to him (during a Christmas special, I think), Bats reminded him of his words and how things had turned out...but also said that when the time came they (both him and Supes) would take Luthor down.

Supes stopped at the LAW for doing the right thing but that wasn't JUSTICE. That didn't come till much later (in the first arc of the Superman-Batman series)

[BatWolverine]

*Ahem*

http://img427.imageshack.us/img427/8373/bathound20058ok.jpg
Only in the animated universe. But Krypto and Supes' alien Animal-Harem...ahem, Zoo, it is everywhere.

[MoneyMelon]

If you read old Supes issues, in them you will see that when Luthor put in his nomination for the Presidency, Bats came to Clark (and Lois) with the offer to stop him.

Even though Supes knew that Bats was in the right and that nothing good would come out of Luthor becoming the President (which it didn't), he didn't say yes, because of the LAW. He had faith in the American people to do the right thing (paraphrased from the comic)...and we all know how the people did that *right* thing (both in the comic and in real life).

Bats accepted his decision and when Luthor was elected and Supes came to him (during a Christmas special, I think), Bats reminded him of his words and how things had turned out...but also said that when the time came they (both him and Supes) would take Luthor down.

Supes stopped at the LAW for doing the right thing but that wasn't JUSTICE. That didn't come till much later (in the first arc of the Superman-Batman series)
In that specific example, Superman was right. Luthor was elected by the people to be the President. What right does Superman have to determine politics? That would make Superman some sort of insane dictator, ruling over the country.

Batman clearly didn't even consider that, being so caught up in his own selfish war.

[MoneyMelon]

Only in the animated universe. But Krypto and Supes' alien Animal-Harem...ahem, Zoo, it is everywhere.
http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/thumb/1/14/200px-Batman133.JPG

Don't even get me started on Bat-Mite :p

[Starlord]

http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/thumb/1/14/200px-Batman133.JPG

Don't even get me started on Bat-Mite :p

boy they sure don't make em like that anymore. *sigh*

[Kenro]

Since when does Superman look for fame? Examples?

If anything, he wants the public to trust him so they know his intentions are good.

I don't recall seeing that anywhere myself. Saying he does look for fame is flat out not knowing the character.

[BatWolverine]

http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/thumb/1/14/200px-Batman133.JPG

Don't even get me started on Bat-Mite :p
Oh man, wotta argument. Going back to the Golden-Silver-whatever ages to draw up covers.

Mind checking up on Supe-covers from similar times. :rolleyes:

[BatWolverine]

I don't recall seeing that anywhere myself. Saying he does look for fame is flat out not knowing the character.
Yup, and implying that Batman was sexually molesting Robin shows the depth of knowledge about his (and Dick Grayson's) character(s)? :rolleyes:

[Uchiha_Prodigy]

The question is...which is willing to go the distance to get what they want?

Good question. Im gonna lean towards Superman. He went without his powers for over a year and still managed to succeed in everything else. Batman took a year off and took a cruise with his "sons"

[BatWolverine]

Good question. Im gonna lean towards Superman. He went without his powers for over a year and still managed to succeed in everything else. Batman took a year off and took a cruise with his "sons"
An' once again (with the double quotes) the "sexual" implication. I think you missed when Bruce legal adopted Dick as his SON (and not just ward).

Batman went on a 'cruise' but came back cleaned off 'super-villain' crime in Gotham. While Clark, when not peering at Lois's thongs (and maybe even trying them out), he was fingering the *signal watch*.

On either side, low blows are a plenty. :rolleyes:

[MoneyMelon]

Yup, and implying that Batman was sexually molesting Robin shows the depth of knowledge about his (and Dick Grayson's) character(s)? :rolleyes:
Hot pants :p

[MoneyMelon]

when not peering at Lois's thongs (and maybe even trying them out)
He was curious! :mad:

[BatWolverine]

He was curious! :mad:
Yup, just as 'curious' while he got it on with Krypto (and even Bessie, the cow over at the farm). :p

Want to let it go now and state something 'read-worthy'? :rolleyes:

[MoneyMelon]

Want to let it go now and state something 'read-worthy'? :rolleyes:
NEVER! :mad:






I'm joking about Batman's NAMBLA membership, but I think my other points are valid.

[carl kolchak]

True Batman fans can write theses about the inner depths of "their" character. The Machiavellian brilliance, the tortured ego, the freudian response of hiding within one-self and regressing back to the age of 5 when things were simpler, the black & white philosophical debates that in reality are truly far more complex than initially thought. Pages and pages, lovingly composed to the muse of the bat god....the first goth and greatest mind that ever lived........

Which is why I'm going with Superman. Bat-freaks need to get a grip.

[BatWolverine]

True Batman fans can write theses about the inner depths of "their" character. The Machiavellian brilliance, the tortured ego, the freudian response of hiding within one-self and regressing back to the age of 5 when things were simpler, the black & white philosophical debates that in reality are truly far more complex than initially thought. Pages and pages, lovingly composed to the muse of the bat god....the first goth and greatest mind that ever lived........

Which is why I'm going with Superman. Bat-freaks need to get a grip.
Yup. These Super-nerds sure like 'em bland.

[carl kolchak]

Yup. These Super-nerds sure like 'em bland.

See what I mean.

[Drcharles]

Bats could just about do it............

[WadeGarrett]

How anyone could think this fight lasts longer than 3 seconds has always been entirely beyond me.

The part of the argument that has always bothered me is the "Batman is the pinnacle of humanity" approach. He's clearly a superhuman in some respect. It would take a lifetime of dedicated work to become the world's best detective or the world's best martial artist, or the world's most cunning inventor. All of this even relies upon the fact that he must have ahd the single most perfect set of genes of all time. I mean, all credit to his fans, as he's a good character, but he's far more than a human could ever aspire to.

[NeoSamurai]

How anyone could think this fight lasts longer than 3 seconds has always been entirely beyond me.

The part of the argument that has always bothered me is the "Batman is the pinnacle of humanity" approach. He's clearly a superhuman in some respect. It would take a lifetime of dedicated work to become the world's best detective or the world's best martial artist, or the world's most cunning inventor. All of this even relies upon the fact that he must have ahd the single most perfect set of genes of all time. I mean, all credit to his fans, as he's a good character, but he's far more than a human could ever aspire to.
The Rennaisance claims differently.

[WadeGarrett]

The Rennaisance claims differently.

Which is a good argument if you ignore hundreds of years of advances in chemistry, physics, athletic training, electrical engineering, philosophy, forensic science, etc.

[NeoSamurai]

Not really, if you consider how much time we devote to doing things that are frivolous such as watching the latest episode of Survivor, talking on a comics message board or buying into the latest craze.