JMS TALKS FANTASTIC FOUR EXIT

[MattBrady]

<img src=http://www.newsarama.com/Marvel/May_05/t_FF527_COV.jpg border=0 align=right>As reported by our own <a href=http://blog.newsarama.com/2006/09/15/jms-off-ff-thor-wishing-he-had-an-acronym-now/><b>Blog@Newsarama</b></a> Friday morning, writer J, Michael Straczynski recently revealed to members of a <b>Babylon 5</b> newsgroup that he is considering leaving as writer of Marvel’s <b>Fantastic Four</b>, primarily due to his focus on the upcoming <b>Thor</b> relaunch (which we <a href=http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?t=83671>spoke to the writer about</a> earlier this week).

Straczynski wrote:

<blockquote>“On the comics front, incidentally…it was just announced by Marvel that I’m going to be taking over and re-launching the Thor monthly title. Because this is a big mythological show, it’s very much in my wheelhouse, as it were, and it’s really important to make this work. So I’m giving some thought to pulling back on some of the other comics work, notably FF, to make room to give this my full attention.”</blockquote>Newsarama contacted the writer Friday to ask if leaving the <b>FF</b> was indeed just a thought at this time, or a decision now made..?

“I'm moving on from the title,” confirmed JMS. “Unlike coming onto <b>Amazing Spider-Man</b> or <b>Fantastic Four</b>, which were titles already in motion, <b>Thor</b> is a relaunch, and there's a lot more effort that has to go into that if one is to do it correctly. Because you're not just relaunching a character, you're relaunching a world, and all of the other characters in that world, that mythology.

“So I'm sitting here with flow charts, books on Norse mythology, character sketches (text, not art), outlines in progress, and so on. And there's a point where you say, ‘Okay, I can <i>do</i> all of these at the same time, but is that the right decision to make creatively for the books? Or is it better to let one go and use that time to make Thor even better?’ Ultimately, that was the deciding factor.”

Straczynski reports his final issue of <b>FF</b> “should be #541, or thereabouts”, and since we were on the topic of his workload in light of the new <b>Thor</b> series, we also asked if <b>Amazing Spider-Man</b> would be affected or if he planned to remain on that title indefinitely..?

“I wouldn't say indefinitely only because nothing lasts forever,” he responded. “I've been on the book now for six years, and that's already a long run. Where the future goes, who knows. But that's been the case since the day I first took on the book. So my only response is that I'm enjoying it for as long as Marvel wants me to do it.”

Finally, we wrapped up our brief exchange by asking Straczynski about his overall workload and for status reports on other comic book projects that will bear his name, like <b>Silver Surfer: Requiem</b>, <b>Book of Lost Souls</b>, his Spider-Man limited series drawn by Joe Quesada, and any other upcoming projects he may have..?

“<b>Surfer</b> is still in process, but it's long-term because the book is entirely painted pages and that just takes the time that it takes,” he replied. “<b>Book of Lost Souls</b> comes back with issue #7 and will introduce some new characters on the really bad and dark side of things. The mini with Joe is also proceeding apace, and the pencils are just amazing.

“Beyond that, what I'm probably most excited about right now, after the <b>Thor</b> re-launch, is something I'm working on with Tom Brevoort, bringing back a dozen Marvel characters who have literally not been seen in any of their books since the 1940s. (Tom had a great cut-line on the book, ‘Yesterday's Men of Tomorrow...Today!’) Something that I've always thought would be cool would be to occupy the position of Marvel's kind of in-house resurrectionist...taking titles, characters, teams, and books that had gone dormant, or which were otherwise off the grid, and re-tooling them back into viable properties. That, to me, would be just great fun.”

Look for more information on the future of <b>Fantastic Four</b> as it becomes available.

[TsunamiWave7]

While it's good to see that he's taking the time to concentrate it, I'm still pretty worried about this book. JMS' writing just isn't to my liking, usually.

[EmeraldGuy32]

Wait, did I read that right? JoeQ has already begun drawing a Spiderman book before DD:Father 6 is released?? WTF?

[calvin!]

he'd better step up and knock thor out of the park if it's his main gig now :)

[calvin!]

Wait, did I read that right? JoeQ has already begun drawing a Spiderman book before DD:Father 6 is released?? WTF?

Q has finished pencils, they are waiting on the inks and colors. at least that is what he said.

[xomanowarfan]

This makes complete sense. Move him off of FF and onto Thor which Marvel are looking to make a movie of. They need some good story plots that have momentum. I will be buying that book.

[Sean Walsh]

“Beyond that, what I'm probably most excited about right now, after the <b>Thor</b> re-launch, is something I'm working on with Tom Brevoort, bringing back a dozen Marvel characters who have literally not been seen in any of their books since the 1940s. (Tom had a great cut-line on the book, ‘Yesterday's Men of Tomorrow...Today!’) Something that I've always thought would be cool would be to occupy the position of Marvel's kind of in-house resurrectionist...taking titles, characters, teams, and books that had gone dormant, or which were otherwise off the grid, and re-tooling them back into viable properties. That, to me, would be just great fun.”

Nice shout out there to AGENTS OF ATLAS.

Oh wait.......

[redclay]

where is joe fridays?

[astronato]

I really like JMS's Supreme Power/Squadron Supreme and his FF started out well enough but I think maybe Civil War muffed things up. I wanted epic sci fi stuff from a JMS FF run and there was some sci fi, just not enough. Still, the story thread about the city children's welfare service was interesting but seemed to wrap up abruptly.

I look forward to JMS's Silver Surfer, Thor and his project with the 40's characters.

Yesterdays Men of Tomorrow? great name! I'll buy that.

.....and whoever takes over the Fantastic Four, please, get them away from company wide crossovers. Get them away from Earth and send them into space. Annihilation is really doing a terrific job of invigorating the Marvel Cosmic and I would love to see the FF in that mix.

[TheLizard207]

Hallilu yah!! Great news!

[EmeraldGuy32]

Q has finished pencils, they are waiting on the inks and colors. at least that is what he said.
that's downright lame.

[AngryAmerican66]

Great news! :)
Now if we can just get him off Amazing Spiderman and Thor, it truely would be a happy day in comic land.

[Lex]

Personally I'm glad that he's leaving FF. I just don't think he was right for that book.

But I'm very interested in those 40s characters he wants to resurrect. I don't know if it would be reinventing them for today or bringing those existing characters into the present, but it sounds interesting. His description of being Marvel's "resurrectionist" is kind of like Grant Morrison's position at DC. He's going through DC's old comics and bringing back unused character (like Klarion) and turning them into marketable properties. I think that role is something JMS could be very good at.

[PhoenixFacto]

I hope he means his last issue is 543 cuz it would stink if he left the book in the middle of the civil war arc and someone else finished it. He should see it through to the conclusion for consistency. I've never read a Thor book but I look forward to the relaunch.

Also, I second the question where is Joe Fridays?

[dchart1]

I much preferred Waid on FF to JMS's run, and the Spidey run has had its moments ("The Other" wasn't one of them). As far as his other work goes, I preferred Squadron Supreme as "MAX" title. Thor, I'll just wait and see. Basically, you could say I prefered JMS on his creator owned stuff for TOP COW, as he was able to bring the characters fully to life without having to worry about years of continuity, or in some case mucking it up. IMHO

[RedRonin]

Wonder who is going to take over? PAD or Slott would be best IMO.

Not going to bash JMS for his FF run.

[khuxford]

I'm interested in why Squadron Supreme wasn't mentioned in the interview.

[User Name]

I much preferred Waid on FF to JMS's run, and the Spidey run has had its moments ("The Other" wasn't one of them). As far as his other work goes, I preferred Squadron Supreme as "MAX" title. Thor, I'll just wait and see. Basically, you could say I prefered JMS on his creator owned stuff for TOP COW, as he was able to bring the characters fully to life without having to worry about years of continuity, or in some case mucking it up. IMHO

Nor was anything involving either Gwen Stacey or spider totems.

I liked the Peter as a high school teacher bit. The rest I could live without.

[Chris Tucker]

I imagine Joey Q probably thinks we've got enough from him this week. I like JMS as a writer but he never seemed to fit on FF. Here's hoping from Dan Slott or Karl Kesel!

[spidertour02]

Not going to bash JMS for his FF run.

I won't either ... but only because I've already had my piece on that butcher job. :p

[Alextron]

NOt done destroying SPider-man and his amazing remaining supporting cast... all two of them.:mad:

[dchart1]

That's Joey the Q that has it out for the supporting cast though. I agree on Sins Past that was just plain creepy. The idea of Gwen with Normie. UGGGHH! Bad thoughts, bad thoughts!!:mad:

[jza1218]

Wait, did I read that right? JoeQ has already begun drawing a Spiderman book before DD:Father 6 is released?? WTF?

YEAHBUHWHAT?

[victor lanza]

I just could not get into JMS's take on FF.
I will welcome anyone else to one of my all time favorite books. Of course my other favorite is Amazing Spider-man.:rolleyes:

[The 'Nam]

His Spider-man run has been up and down. Supreme Power is pretty much amazing, although it has lost focus. His Fantastic Four is pretty dull stuff, though.

Thor...not so sure about. As noted above, JMS is pretty hit and miss with me. And I'm not a big fan of Thor, either. I'll probably try it out, depending on 2 factors:
1. The setup for the series (out of Civil War)
2. An artist that will add more incentive.

[R A Renteria]

Say what you want about JMS, for a superstar writer not to jump ship on a title every twelve months is a great thing. It's hard to believe he's been writing ASM for six years now, was every story perfect; nope, but I have enjoyed the majority of his run and look forward to Thor.

I vote for PAD to take over the FF.

[Scarlet Mage]

Cool. I can start reading F4 again. I honestly don't see the man's appeal but I know he has fans. I've bought two issues of Spider-Man in the last few years and only the first two issues of Supreme Power before I had to opt out. I have theories but that's another time and place. Know who I'd like to see on F4? Marc Andreyko. He can do action, he can do characters, and it would be wild!

[BillReed]

I'll write FF! For free, if needed. Get me Stuart Immonen! Or Frazier Irving, or something. I dunno. Someone awesome.

[POWRSURG]

“Beyond that, what I'm probably most excited about right now, after the <b>Thor</b> re-launch, is something I'm working on with Tom Brevoort, bringing back a dozen Marvel characters who have literally not been seen in any of their books since the 1940s. (Tom had a great cut-line on the book, ‘Yesterday's Men of Tomorrow...Today!’) Something that I've always thought would be cool would be to occupy the position of Marvel's kind of in-house resurrectionist...taking titles, characters, teams, and books that had gone dormant, or which were otherwise off the grid, and re-tooling them back into viable properties. That, to me, would be just great fun.”

Didn't Warren Ellis beat him to that title with his pitch for Newuniversal? When is that coming out anyway?

[skaly]

Wait, did I read that right? JoeQ has already begun drawing a Spiderman book before DD:Father 6 is released?? WTF?

DD:F was drawn a while ago now. The problem is getting the original creative team (inker and letterer in particular) back on it after having moved on. Quesada is free to draw whatever he wants right now--excepting, of course, for his duties as EIC.

[ORACofSEVEN]

While it's good to see that he's taking the time to concentrate it, I'm still pretty worried about this book. JMS' writing just isn't to my liking, usually.
I think JMS excels when he is creating a world world of characters.

As for his replace ment on FF Karl Kesel and Tom Grummett

ORAC OUT

[OcCaM]

I'm not going to say anything too negative on JMS' departure on FF. Suffice to say I'm crying tears of joy!

I actually like his Squardon/Supreme Power stuff and Spidey's ok most of the times, but his FF? I'm just happy he's off to somewhere he might be a better fit. (And I can safely ignore a "grounded" *yawn* Thor. Unless, it's one of my top 10 artists on it, and they are committed at Dark Horse/Image/DC elsewhere, I'm not buying Thor!)

Besides, with Spidey there are other options to read, there's Friendly and Sensational. With the poor FF, there's not even a MK FF anymore, so I was stuck with him if I wanted a new FF fix. (And no cheap knock-off clone, crappy redundant Ultimate pile of uncreative ideas work for me, thank you very much! And don't get me started with those "kiddie" books! Although, since Avengers is so horrible I'm glad with have Ultimates!)

Now, while Kesel is ok, his Wedding or was it the Doom special last year (?) both were good and his 2 parter was ok, but nothing spectacular abd his Death in Family wasn't that great either, so I'd rather see PAD, and ESP. SLOTT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Slott would be my 1st choice, he needs a high profile book at last. I'd be happier seeing a Dan Slott bi-monthly FF than anyone else right now! I wasn't that trhilled with Waid and the less said about JMs the better! So, please powers-that-be make it SLOTT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I think he'd make a perfect fit for the FF. Personally, love to see him take over Sensational or Friendly if PAD or Roberto leave but FF is a good start!

[Goat warrior]

“I'm moving on from the title,” confirmed JMS. “Unlike coming onto <b>Amazing Spider-Man</b> or <b>Fantastic Four</b>, which were titles already in motion, <b>Thor</b> is a relaunch, and there's a lot more effort that has to go into that if one is to do it correctly. Because you're not just relaunching a character, you're relaunching a world, and all of the other characters in that world, that mythology.

Now I understand why Amazing Spider-man and FF are so bad, JMS don't try to make effort in writing.

Well, at least, JMS leaving FF is such a good news. If only he could leave Spidr-man too :(

[Goat warrior]

I think JMS excels when he is creating a world world of characters.

As for his replace ment on FF Karl Kesel and Tom Grummett

ORAC OUT

I'm not a big fan of Grummett, but Karl Kesel would be a good choice, he already did some very good FF stories.

[Duke Jupiter]

Goodbye, Joe.

Now, with that out of the way, bring on Karl Kesel or SOMEbody who gets how to do this book properly.

Got a feeling though that Mark Millar is waiting in the wings. Didn't he recently say that one of his next projects was going to be a book firmly established in the Marvel Universe that he learned was going to become available?

- DJ

[Orlando]

You know, I've never really gotten into JMS's take on the FF, but I never really cared about the characters much before, so...

Anyway, there's something about a JMS written Thor relaunch that really has me interested. JMS is hit&miss with me, but he really does shine when he gets to create or recreate (as is the case) a whole world. Plus, his fantasy stuff, although sometimes unnecessary (AMS), is usually interesting, so there's that too.

Anyway, Millar seems the most likely to take the reigns, since this is a series that he has said he liked and there's a book that's losing its creative team, next year that he wants to write. This seems like the most obvious choice, but I'm not sure he'd want to write them again,after UFF... Either way, I wouldn't mind reading it.

[WTF?]

I've really enjoyed his run on FF, sad to see him go. Still, looking forward to Thor a great deal and his Amazing Spider-man is as solid as ever.
Peter David on FF would be outstanding.:D

[Bevbos]

Wouldn't mind seeing Millar on this book! That could be very interesting. Frankly it's going to take a quality writer for me to be interested in the adventures of Reed, Johnny, Jen Walters and Clint Barton. Or, perhaps, T'Challa and Ororo. Although I don't see that happening as long as Hudlin's around.

[Prometheus3]

Yes, JMS leaving the Fantastic Four title has been confirmed! Maybe his writing is great for Squadron Supreme and Book of Lost Souls but it does not fit for the Fantastic Four. Here is hoping that the next writer does a great job.

[Amoebas]

Great news! :)
Now if we can just get him off Amazing Spiderman and Thor, it truely would be a happy day in comic land.Agreed.

The FF was my introduction to comics back in May 1977. And in all those years I've only ever stopped collecting them twice. The first was during DeFalco's run and then within this last year because of JMS.

As for the next writer - I want Karl Kesel.

Sadly he's neither Hollywood nor is he one of Joey Q's Frat House of Ideas boys.

[Ace]

We need to start some serious movement to get Kesel on the book. It's never going to happen on its own, when they can put some "superstar" writer on it, but he deserves it and would do such a good job.

[ThorEl3]

I'm very excited about JMS taking on the new Thor title. I'm confident that he'll do a good job.

I'm likewise really sad that he'll be leaving the FF. His run has been a blast so far, and I feel that he really has a good grasp on the characters. Personally, I'd much rather he left Spider-Man and stayed on FF. Of course, I don't read Spider-Man, so that's easy for me to say. :D

[skullduggery]

Marvel should give Walt Simonson another crack at the FF.
He was doing some excellent work in the handful of issues he did before Marvel screwed him over many many years back
They need to make amends for that and let Simonson go back in and make the kind of run he would have if they had let him do his thing.

[zeraze1]

Wouldn't mind seeing Millar on this book! That could be very interesting. Frankly it's going to take a quality writer for me to be interested in the adventures of Reed, Johnny, Jen Walters and Clint Barton. Or, perhaps, T'Challa and Ororo. Although I don't see that happening as long as Hudlin's around.

Reggie Hudlin on FF? That's an interesting idea.

zeraze

[Czar Rodney]

After reading this article, I'm pretty much convinced that JMS's mini with Quesada will be his swan song from his run on Spider-Man, and that Loeb and Campbell will be the new creative team on Amazing.

Also, say what you will about the guy, but a bulk of his stories are really quite enjoyable, and even the ones that fall flat do so with a higher quality than other stories. I personally think that his first arc of Fantastic Four was one of the greatest FF stories I've ever read. It's just too bad it shifted focus from the Fantastic to the mundane. But as I said before, even a bad JMS story is still pretty damn good in my book.

Oh, and I loved Sins Past. Always knew she was a slut :p

[OM]

he'd better step up and knock thor out of the park if it's his main gig now :)...Heh, I can see how he handles Thor seeking knowledge from one of the Fates:

Thor: "Pray tell, wizened ladies, how mayest I defeatest mine evil brother, Loki, and his nefarous schemes?"

Kosh: [>BWEEDLE<CHIRP!WHINNETINKLE] face="Impact" Not even in Chicago does the avalanch grant the pebbles a vote. {binKELde]CHIRPY[squeelbeep!]

[B]Ulkesh: ]BINKle[>borp<BLEEPADOOP face="Impact" Now....go. <DORKLEDONK>]dhooplBURRRRP![

Thor: "Egads."

Marvel should give Walt Simonson another crack at the FF....Hell, I want Grek Pak to give him the OS Battlestar Ponderosa series!

[protege]

After reading this article, I'm pretty much convinced that JMS's mini with Quesada will be his swan song from his run on Spider-Man, and that Loeb and Campbell will be the new creative team on Amazing.

Also, say what you will about the guy, but a bulk of his stories are really quite enjoyable, and even the ones that fall flat do so with a higher quality than other stories. I personally think that his first arc of Fantastic Four was one of the greatest FF stories I've ever read. It's just too bad it shifted focus from the Fantastic to the mundane. But as I said before, even a bad JMS story is still pretty damn good in my book.

Oh, and I loved Sins Past. Always knew she was a slut :p
Hmmm... maybe I'll be able to start reading Amazing Spider man again...

[justafan]

Well I for one am disappointed to see him off of the FF. I thought his first arc and his Hulk arc on FF was great. His CW stuff has been good so far as well.....although if you really want to read some great CW stuff, read his Amazing issues right now....that stuff is great and really deep.

I'll play a wait and see for the following writer on the FF to see if I keep it up.

As for Thor....bring it on JMS! If it is as good as your Loki stuff from ASM I think this book is going to rock!

Hey Matt......do some digging and get us the name of the artist on this book already!

As for Amazing.....stay on it JMS....despite what you will see in these posts.....I think that the majority of readers are enjoying your run. And I love the Spider Totem stuff too!

[eelnats]

Wait, did I read that right? JoeQ has already begun drawing a Spiderman book before DD:Father 6 is released?? WTF?

Joe Q has said many times that he handed in his portion of the work on DD Father but that they are waiting for the inker or colorist to have free time to do their parts, so its not a matter of Joe Q skipping work to do other work

[eelnats]

that's downright lame.

it might be but it still makes your first comment a moot point

[Brother Zag]

If you don't like JMS or care for his writing, why are you reading this article and posting here? Just sheer maliciousness? The enjoyment of being able to crap on others more talented than you anonymously? Still nurturing that old B5 vs. Star Trek grudge? Honestly, what motivates you to crap on a guy who's obviously 10x the writer you are? Just curious.

[tyopot]

walt simonson's work on thor is still unsurpassed.

[Jeremy Williams]

walt simonson's work on thor is still unsurpassed.

That`s why it`s a Hell of a thing making this work.

[tyopot]

put mark bagley on the thor monthly, and it would be a good thing, just like his ultimate spidey, unless you can get quesada to draw it every month.
:p

[BruceWayneJr]

Something that I've always thought would be cool would be to occupy the position of Marvel's kind of in-house resurrectionist...taking titles, characters, teams, and books that had gone dormant, or which were otherwise off the grid, and re-tooling them back into viable properties. That, to me, would be just great fun.”


Thanks for the warning.

[Brother Zag]

Thanks for the warning.

You DC guys are boring... what do you think Grant Morrison's doing?

[razorwing77]

Joe Q has said many times that he handed in his portion of the work on DD Father but that they are waiting for the inker or colorist to have free time to do their parts, so its not a matter of Joe Q skipping work to do other work


Seriously, I think we need to get this info sticky'd to the Newsarama front page. I know some folks don't visit the boards as often as others, but this has been public info since at least June, yet every Joe Fridays and practically any other article where Joe Q is mentioned, this same thing comes up.

[razorwing77]

I think JMS leaving FF is good news. I enjoy Squadron Supreme immensely, and I think his Amazing has been good at times (and terrible at times), but I don't think his FF run has really clicked. The pre-Civil War stuff with Thor's hammer was pretty cool, but that's about it. So in my opinion, he seems to have a good idea where he wants Thor to go, so I'd rather see him spend his energy on that.

[Bobo Da Hobo]

Agreed.



Sadly he's neither Hollywood nor is he one of Joey Q's Frat House of Ideas boys.

Life's terrible.


As for next writer? Well, since the prevailing rumour has Black Panther and Storm joining the team for at least 12 issues - it's gotta be Reggie Hudlin. That'll be......interesting, to say the least

[Bevbos]

As for next writer? Well, since the prevailing rumour has Black Panther and Storm joining the team for at least 12 issues - it's gotta be Reggie Hudlin. That'll be......interesting, to say the least

noooooooooooooooooo...

[thunder crackles.] At last, DOOM's plans come to fruition!

[Ace]

Nothing like Hudlin to make people scream to get JMS back.<G>

[AngryAmerican66]

Agreed.

The FF was my introduction to comics back in May 1977. And in all those years I've only ever stopped collecting them twice. The first was during DeFalco's run and then within this last year because of JMS.

As for the next writer - I want Karl Kesel.

Sadly he's neither Hollywood nor is he one of Joey Q's Frat House of Ideas boys.
Ahh the drunken frat boys...aka the 3 Stooges. (That makes Quesada, Curly-Joe :) )

Thanks for the warning.
Too funny! :)

You DC guys are boring... what do you think Grant Morrison's doing?
Hopefully writing some great Batman stories.

[BOP Fan]

Nice shout out there to AGENTS OF ATLAS.

Oh wait.......

Fair enough but it's still nice to see somebody doing for the 1940s characters what Atlas is doing for the 1950s character:)



Best wishes,


Scott

[DeadpoolFX]

I'd rather JMS stay on FF and let someone else write Thor. I don't read FF but Thor is one of my favorite characters. I'd really prefer Oeming on Thor

[Scarlet Mage]

If you don't like JMS or care for his writing, why are you reading this article and posting here? Just sheer maliciousness? The enjoyment of being able to crap on others more talented than you anonymously? Still nurturing that old B5 vs. Star Trek grudge? Honestly, what motivates you to crap on a guy who's obviously 10x the writer you are? Just curious.


I can't answer for the person you asked this of but for myself, I miss being able to read F4 and wanted to know when I could start reading it again so I read the article. I think my own post was respectful and haven't seen any that weren't. We all know the man has fans who hold him in higher esteem than we do and have generally acknowledged this. I've never been a Thor fan so this article was doubly good news for me. I don't have to put up with Thor because one of my favorites was going to write it. It'd be the Ellis situation all over again! If this series fails too, will Marvel finally give up on Thor? I would have expected corporate patience with this property to have run out long ago.

[Layters]

There has been talk of a book spinning out of Agents Of Atlas with one of their characters playing a big role. It seems evident this is the book that JMS is talkign about.I have to say im totally dispointed. Jeff Parker has done such a good job on Agents, to now drop to a JMS level of writing makes me lose any interest.

Theres a lot of good stuff coming out of Marvel thes days but it feels like JMS, Joe, Millar, Bendis,Way and Axel Alonson are like this infection that keeps on spreading. The one thing they seem to have in common being lack of respect of the characters and what has come before, decompression and sensationalism.

[DecemberGuy]

How about letting Scott Lobdell come back for a longer run. I know he has his detractors, but I think he would do a good job on a title like FF. I never understood why he was yanked after the first 5 issues of vol. 3.

[protege]

Life's terrible.


As for next writer? Well, since the prevailing rumour has Black Panther and Storm joining the team for at least 12 issues - it's gotta be Reggie Hudlin. That'll be......interesting, to say the least
I thought Hudlin was running BET, or something.

[protege]

Ahh the drunken frat boys...aka the 3 Stooges. (That makes Quesada, Curly-Joe :) )


Too funny! :)


Hopefully writing some great Batman stories.
I thought bendis was Curly- Nyuk, nyuk, nyuk.:)

[Zeitgeist]

Sadly he's neither Hollywood nor is he one of Joey Q's Frat House of Ideas boys.

Ahh yes, Joe's secret club for writers he likes, i assume you have some evidence that they exist? And lets not forget Hollywood, we all know that if you havent written comics for 20 years you have no business getting a job!!!!!

[Baron Banter]

If you don't like JMS or care for his writing, why are you reading this article and posting here?

Because I wondered if Spider-man was going to be worth picking up again.

[Hypestyle]

...If he's bringing back golden-age characters, why was INVADERS given the shaft so coldly, and why should we think the same thing won't happen again?

Bring back Jim Hammond!!

[Doowhaadiddy]

Reggie Hudlin on FF? That's an interesting idea.

zeraze

Oh GAWD!!!
Not Reginald Hudlin on FF! He's had a crappy laughable go a MK Spider-Man and a laughted at run on Black Panther! Not FF. PLEASE not FF. Imagine the "fun" "cool" "they'll LOVE this" direction we will all be asked to swallow!

Right up there with the GAWDS of comicbook fokleore Mr H is not!!

I think the poster missed the point of teh post he was replying to.

[AngryAmerican66]

I thought bendis was Curly- Nyuk, nyuk, nyuk.:)
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Died: May 4, 1975
Stooge years: 1922, 1926, 1929-1970

Larry Fine (JMS)
Real Name: Louis Feinberg
Born: October 5, 1902
Died: January 24, 1975
Stooge years: 1925-1926, 1929-1970

Curly Howard (Bendis)
Real Name: Jerome Lester Horwitz
Born: October 22, 1903
Died: January 18, 1952
Stooge years: 1934-1946

Shemp Howard (Loeb)
Real Name: Samuel Horwitz
Born: March 4, 1895
Died: November 22, 1955
Stooge years: 1922-1925, 1929-1932, 1947-1955

Joe Besser
Born: August 12, 1907
Died: March 1, 1988
Stooge years: 1957-1959

Curly-Joe DeRita (Quesada) <-----
Real Name: Joseph Wardell
Born: July 12, 1909
Died: July 3, 1993
Stooge years: 1959-1970

Emil Sitka
Born: December 22, 1914
Died: January 16, 1998

[FChamberlain]

>JMS: “Unlike coming onto Amazing Spider-Man or Fantastic Four, which were titles already in motion, Thor is a relaunch, and there's a lot more effort that has to go into that if one is to do it correctly. Because you're not just relaunching a character, you're relaunching a world, and all of the other characters in that world, that mythology.

Using this definition, hasn't he relaunched Spider-Man since the very moment that he took the book on. Too bad that he is leaving FF and not Amazing. I actually thought that Fantastic Four was a good fit for his storytelling.

[HartyPotter]

I'm actually pretty excited about the Thor relaunch now that I know see how much effort is being put into it. I'm ready for somethingn new and fresh with Thor.

[paulski]

Straczynski reports his final issue of <b>FF</b> “should be #541, or thereabouts”
I guess that would come as news to Marvel who'd already solicited him as the writer on #542 & 543...

But this is good news, yeah. One down, one to go. His FF run has been pretty pisspoor right from the start. If there was just about any other artist than Mike McKone on the book, I wouldn't have bothered. It wouldn't surprise me, however, knowing Mike's penchant for relative short runs on titles, to pull the plug at the same time. We'll see what happens in coming months, I guess.

[AngryAmerican66]

Dick.........
Tsk Tsk Tsk...Poor zombies keep slinging insults at other posters.
LOL :)

[NCcomicJIm]

as far as a new writer prediction.......could this be Brian K Vaughn's post Runaways gig?


but since Loeb is so far up Joe Q's behind when Joe smiles you see 64 teeth, it'll probably be his gig

[hondo]

JMS is one of Marvel's best writers. It's really surprising to me all the negatives I read on the boards when his name comes up. I've liked everything he's done and have loved his Amazing, especially the totem, and his FF. It sounds like he's really juiced to relaunch Thor the way the character deserves.

Millar would be smokin on FF. Kessel is a natural in an old school way. Morrison would be crazy good too, but I don't see it in the immediate future.

Too bad fences couldn't be mended and put Byrne back on the book. That was the best I'd ever read on FF.

[paulski]

Tsk Tsk Tsk...Poor zombies keep slinging insults at other posters.
LOL :)
Something remarkable I've noticed for some time is that it's always the apologists and Zombies that get the most abusive and insulting towards other posters when they disagree with something that's been posted. Just an observation, but it rings true yet again...

[Michael T]

that's downright lame.
Why is that lame?

[InBetween]

Yee-ha!
Great rainy monday morning news. Now if only someone could point JMS to the EXIT door that says Amazing Spider-Man.
Please.

[Ace]

as far as a new writer prediction.......could this be Brian K Vaughn's post Runaways gig?


I think we need to come up with a catchy rhyme to remind people that BKV said he is not going to do much work for hire anymore at all. After Dr. Strange and maybe one other mini, he's pretty much in creator owned land forever.

VAUGHAN GONE.

There we go.

[AngryAmerican66]

Something remarkable I've noticed for some time is that it's always the apologists and Zombies that get the most abusive and insulting towards other posters when they disagree with something that's been posted. Just an observation, but it rings true yet again...
Definitely an accurate observation. :)

[Brother Zag]

Definitely an accurate observation. :)

NOT an accurate observation... On the contrary, I've found the Marvel fans here to be accurate, engaging, witty and sophisticated. On the other hand, DC loyalists have engaged in name calling, character assassination and subjective blowhardiness. Oh, and some pretty lame debate tactics.

[AngryAmerican66]

NOT an accurate observation... On the contrary, I've found the Marvel fans here to be accurate, engaging, witty and sophisticated. On the other hand, DC loyalists have engaged in name calling, character assassination and subjective blowhardiness. Oh, and some pretty lame debate tactics.
Did you ever stop to think that maybe most comic fans buy from both companies?
:eek: Shocking!!!!
It really is ok to like work from Marvel and DC. (Really it is)
The observation was accurate. You prove it's merit by toeing the Joe Quesada line.

[Brother Zag]

Did you ever stop to think that maybe most comic fans buy from both companies?
:eek: Shocking!!!!
It really is ok to like work from Marvel and DC. (Really it is)
The observation was accurate. You prove it's merit by toeing the Joe Quesada line.

Did you ever stop to consider that I buy from both companies?

I was actually trying to be a little toungue-in-cheek, but subtlety is obviously lost on you.

I like hearing what Joe Q has to say... but the completely,utterly, ridiculous reactions from Joe haters gets really, really old, so I've decided to challenge these incredibly stupid misconceptions, mischaracterizations, and twisted posts.

Here's the thing. I read Stephen Wacker's comments on "52". I like reading Dan DiDio's comments, when he shows up here to tease us like Joe does. But no DC Editor receives the nasty, vitriolic, asinine and juvenile character assassination that Joe Q is subject to in this Q&A board EVERY WEEK!!

I'm not a Joe loyalist, though the choices he's made have gotten me back into comics in a big way after 15 years out of it. I just tire of the nasty spew the Joe haters squeeze out like turds on Newsarama every week.

[AngryAmerican66]

Did you ever stop to consider that I buy from both companies?

I was actually trying to be a little toungue-in-cheek, but subtlety is obviously lost on you.
Sorry for being a smart ass then. Smiles do help drive the point home.

I like hearing what Joe Q has to say... but the completely,utterly, ridiculous reactions from Joe haters gets really, really old, so I've decided to challenge these incredibly stupid misconceptions, mischaracterizations, and twisted posts.

Here's the thing. I read Stephen Wacker's comments on "52". I like reading Dan DiDio's comments, when he shows up here to tease us like Joe does. But no DC Editor receives the nasty, vitriolic, asinine and juvenile character assassination that Joe Q is subject to in this Q&A board EVERY WEEK!!

I'm not a Joe loyalist, though the choices he's made have gotten me back into comics in a big way after 15 years out of it. I just tire of the nasty spew the Joe haters squeeze out like turds on Newsarama every week.

It's the dangers of having a Q&A here every week. I guarantee if Dan poked his head out of his hole, he'd get hammered too.

[Brother Zag]

I will admit to being a no-holds barred JMS fan. The man is brilliant. We all have our biases :) (see... a smilie!)

[paulski]

NOT an accurate observation... On the contrary, I've found the Marvel fans here to be accurate, engaging, witty and sophisticated. On the other hand, DC loyalists have engaged in name calling, character assassination and subjective blowhardiness. Oh, and some pretty lame debate tactics.
Actually, I didn't mention Marvel (or DC). There's assholes on both sides. I'll happily acknowledge that.

You're the one apparently siding with one group over the other...

[warlock]

I just could not get into JMS's take on FF.
I will welcome anyone else to one of my all time favorite books. Of course my other favorite is Amazing Spider-man.:rolleyes:
He was terrible on FF. I can't wait for him to be off the book. McKone doesn't work for me either.

I like his AMS and Supreme Power/Squadron Supreme, his style seems to work for those books, at least to me.

However, Thor??? Invaders???? JMS???

Millar should be writing Thor. Thor is about action, not decompressed character development where nothing ever happens like most JMS books. Sounds like he is going to focus on Asgard with his "create a whole world" talk... I wish he would focus on Thor in pitched battle against the Absorbing Man and the Hulk instead but I won't hold my breath.

Brubaker should be writing the Invaders, he's been doing it already in Captain America, and the guy was born to do it IMO.

[FChamberlain]

He was terrible on FF. I can't wait for him to be off the book. McKone doesn't work for me either.

I like his AMS and Supreme Power/Squadron Supreme, his style seems to work for those books, at least to me.



Well, he essentially created the Supreme Power since the characters' behaviors and responses don't remotely resemble the original, so I agree with you one that one. ;)

I actually enjoyed much of his FF, but abhore his Spider-Man, feeling much the same way about it as I do his take on Supreme Power.

[Amoebas]

Well, he essentially created the Supreme Power since the characters' behaviors and responses don't remotely resemble the original, so I agree with you one that one. ;)
So JMS "essentially" created Supreme Power that was "essentially" a rip-off of the the characters that Roy Thomas created with the Squadron Supreme in Avengers #85 which is in itself a rip-off of characters that Roy Thomas himself "essentially" created with the Squadron Sinister in Avengers #70 which were nothing but a rip-off of characters "essentially" first grouped together in Brave & the Bold #28 (Schwartz & Fox) which is "essentially" a homage of grouped characters that were "essentially" first grouped together in All Star Comics #3 (Mayer & Fox).

So of course, JMS created them :D

[FChamberlain]

So JMS "essentially" created Supreme Power that was "essentially" a rip-off of the the characters that Roy Thomas created with the Squadron Supreme in Avengers #85 which is in itself a rip-off of characters that Roy Thomas himself "essentially" created with the Squadron Sinister in Avengers #70 which were nothing but a rip-off of characters "essentially" first grouped together in Brave & the Bold #28 (Schwartz & Fox) which is "essentially" a homage of grouped characters that were "essentially" first grouped together in All Star Comics #3 (Mayer & Fox).

So of course, JMS created them :D

You have repeated my point, adding specifics. Was that essentially your point? ;)

[warlock]

So JMS "essentially" created Supreme Power that was "essentially" a rip-off of the the characters that Roy Thomas created with the Squadron Supreme in Avengers #85 which is in itself a rip-off of characters that Roy Thomas himself "essentially" created with the Squadron Sinister in Avengers #70 which were nothing but a rip-off of characters "essentially" first grouped together in Brave & the Bold #28 (Schwartz & Fox) which is "essentially" a homage of grouped characters that were "essentially" first grouped together in All Star Comics #3 (Mayer & Fox).

So of course, JMS created them :D
Well put, couldn't have said it better myself!

[fumetti]

I have loathed everything JMS has written at Marvel (that I've read).

The FF are always somewhat out of character. He keeps trying to alter their personalities.

And his Spider-man was just wrong.

I'm glad he's leaving FF. And DREAD that he's on the new Thor. I guess I'll be holding my nose when I give it a try.