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MattBrady
09-13-2006, 07:22 AM
<img src="http://www.newsarama.com/Vertigo/Pride/Prideofbaghdad.jpg" name="" border="0" align="right"><i>by Rick Shea</i>

I don't think it's a real shock to say that I'm a giant fan of Brian K. Vaughan's work. <b>Y: The Last Man</b> is my favorite comic of the last ten years, which I always read as soon as possible and always enjoy every single issue of. We're 49 issues in, and not a single dud yet. I'll probably shed tears when issue 60 finally wraps up the story. I know I'll miss that comic like crazy. 2005 Eisner Award Winner for Best New Series <b>Ex Machina</b> is an absolutely brilliant take on super-heroes and politics and has won tons of awards these last few years. <b>Runaways</b> are the best new Marvel characters since the 1960's. Yes, they are cooler than Wolverine and Punisher, and I don't want to hear any backtalk. Brian won the prestigious Eisner Award for Best Writer in 2005 and he had five more Eisner nominations this year including Best Writer, Best Single Issue & Best Continuing Series for <b>Ex Machina</b>, as well as Best Serialized Story for <b>Y</b> and <b>Ex Machina</b>. I'm obviously not the only one who really enjoys his phenomenal work.

Several years ago, I read something in Brian's <b>Swamp Thing</b> run that really showed a ton of promise. I just <i>knew</i> this guy was going to be an incredible addition to the comic book industry. While he had some big shoes to fill on the title, he somehow knocked it out of the park, even though he focused on Swamp Thing's daughter Tefe rather than Alec Holland who readers were more familiar with. In a really rough market at the time, he worked wonders with the book, and it eventually lead him to <b>Y: The Last Man</b>, which has probably my favorite first issue of the last decade. It evoked a giant sense of wonder in me, and lead to my reordering the title like crazy and since selling over 5000 single issues so far and over 300 copies of the first trade paperback with our money back guarantee. We've sold over 1000 <b>Y</b> trades without a single return. I have yet to have anyone <i>ever</i> bring back a copy of <b>Y</b> as it really appeals to everyone who reads it, and I think it's pretty safe to say that it's this decade's equivalent of <b>Preacher</b>. That is some incredibly high praise and not something I dole out lightly. <b>Y</b> has the highest percentage of female readers out of any book in our store, and I think that's safe to say for most comic stores worldwide. <b>Y</b> is the first book I hand to anyone looking for something engaging and unpredictable, and it never disappoints. It's so incredibly well written and drawn that nothing I could say would be high enough praise. As always, if you haven't tried it, you really should with our money back guarantee of course, but all this is extremely off track from what this is really all about.

Instead of writing Batman or X-Men forever, Brian dares to create new worlds, new characters, and new concepts all the time. Not that I don't love his take on <b>Ultimate X-Men</b> or <b>Spider-Man</b>, but Brian almost seems allergic to status quo. It’s as if he <i>needs</i> to create new ideas and give us something new. While a lot of writers seem to be on autopilot, Brian is brave enough to constantly give us something new and he succeeds every time. He breathes more life into each and every one of his own characters and truly makes even the most cliché of storylines (on the surface) seem fresh and clever. He's the best writer the comic industry has to offer, and we're damn lucky to have him. I appreciate BKV not jumping full time to Hollywood, even though I know they'll be knocking on his door more than ever after <b>Pride</b> gets out there.

I was lucky enough to read a preview copy of the <b>Pride of Baghdad</b>, which is the new hardcover graphic novel from Brian K. Vaughan and Nico Henrichon shipping on September 13th. Brian has been working on this book for years, and he said a year ago that this was his greatest achievement yet in comics, and the work he's most proud of so far in his incredible career. Although that's some insanely high praise, I was pretty skeptical that anything could match or beat my enjoyment of Y every month. I was even <i>more</i> skeptical when I found out it as about talking animals as I'm not a giant fan of similar movies. Even though Brian swore this was something he was unbelievably proud of, I was still a little scared that I might finally read a book by him that I didn't enjoy.

I don't know if I've <i>ever</i> been so wrong before in my entire life.

Based on a true story, the premise of the book is about four lions that escape from the Baghdad Zoo after an American bombing raid in Spring of 2003. The lions are hungry and confused, although they're happy to finally be free. They roam the decimated streets of Baghdad in search of the true meaning of liberation. This graphic novel explores the cost of survival as well as life on the war-torn streets of Iraq. Can liberation truly be given, or is it earned only through self-determination and sacrifice? This is a heartbreaking look at life during wartime. I seriously didn't think BKV could make me care so much about talking lions, but he put more character into them than just about anything I've ever seen from Disney or Pixar in just 136 pages. This book is unbelievably well done.

For a book that I planned on ordering 20 copies of before reading because of Vaughan's name attached, I've slightly adjusted my orders. My initial order would have been gigantic considering that I usually only order 2 to 5 copies of most hardcovers. After reading this book, I ordered <b>100 copies</b>. That's right. As insane as that sounds, I'm willing to bet I can sell at least $2000 worth of this book just in my initial order. I feel that strongly about this masterpiece. Kinda makes the $19.99 price tag seem like a deal, right? I'm willing to risk placing my highest order <i>ever</i> with Diamond this month because I know that everyone who reads this book is going to be as floored by it as I am. I haven't even got around to reading most of my favorite comics more than once and I've already read <b>Pride</b> a few times and will easily read it several more times for years to come. The artwork by Niko Henrichon is simply stunning and the attention to detail is incredible. Brian always finds incredible artists for his books and he's certainly done it again with <b>Pride</b>. Niko is an outstanding artist and this project is going to make him a superstar. He tackles the pencils, inks and colors in this book and does a fantastic job on every page.

<b>Pride Of Baghdad</b> is absolutely one of the best graphic novels I've ever read. No one has <i>ever</i> used that format better than this book. I felt literally inspired after reading the book to get the word out and tell others how great it was. This book makes me proud to sell comic books for a living. I know that this book will be talked about for years to come and will find it's way onto college courses required reading lists. I can put this book alongside <b>Watchmen, Maus, Preacher, Y: The Last Man</b> and <b>Identity Crisis</b> as one of the best things that's ever happened in this medium. I know this all sounds like insane praise, but I simply cannot say enough wonderful things about how brilliant this graphic novel is. No one could be more skeptical than I was about talking lions, but as always, Brian K. Vaughan pulled out every trick up his sleeve and I can honestly say I enjoyed this book at least as much as <b>Y</b>, if not more.

After I read <b>Pride</b>, I wrote to Brian letting him know how incredible I felt the book was and how much it inspired me. He was cool enough to help set up a contest to get everyone to pay a little more attention to the book. Even though the goofy prizes aren't worth nearly as much as the experience you'll have reading this, I just wanted to go above and beyond to show you how much this book stands out and how much it means to me. We needed to really set up a special event to make sure that you know how much the whole staff of Famous Faces loves and appreciates this graphic novel.

It’s safe to say that <b>Pride of Baghdad</b> comes with my <i>highest possible recommendation</i>! I simply don't have the words to say enough about this absolutely brilliant book. You need to read it to believe it. For someone that went into this book confident that talking animals could never live up to BKV's work on <b>Y, Ex Machina</b>, or <b>Runaways</b>, I'm absolutely stunned at how much I enjoyed this graphic novel.

<i>Rick Shea is the Owner/Manager at Famous Faces & Funnies in Melbourne, FL, and an occasional writer for Newsarama. <b>Pride of Baghdada</b> is due in stores this week.</i>

Northstar04
09-13-2006, 07:35 AM
What can I say......you've convinced me!! Looking forward to spending time with this story.

Thank you for the review.

Bird Flu Man
09-13-2006, 07:51 AM
I'm purely a Marvel/DC guy, but I do plan on picking this up due to all of the positive buzz it's received (and I really enjoy BKV's Runaways).

I only hope it doesn't become one of those instances where the product is so hyped-up by others beforehand that I can't help but feel underwhelmed when I actually get a chance to read it.

McAlice
09-13-2006, 08:25 AM
I'm a vertigo guy, but my wallet is shut due to finances on this for the time being :(

FChamberlain
09-13-2006, 08:27 AM
I needed no convincing. I loved his Swamp Thing back in the day as well and much of his stuff since. Not sure why Ex Machina left me cool, but had no doubt that this graphic novel was a special masterpiece wayyyyy back when I first read the preview 3 months ago. Today is the day I get my grubby paws on it and, just as cool from my perspective, it is also the day that I will get another solid piece of graphic storytelling that I can get my girlfriend and a few other close no-comicreadin' friends to read and nod in agreement about the genre's capacity to move people who don't typically dig four-color tales.

Thanks Brian and I hope this one sells big for ya!!

Hobowatcher
09-13-2006, 08:30 AM
I'm a hates comic books guy, and you did not persuade me one bit.

capjr
09-13-2006, 08:51 AM
when does thisd vome out? Today or next week...

I saw a blurb about it in GQ for this monthlast month?) and have planned on gettin it sence....

librarykat
09-13-2006, 09:09 AM
I read an advance copy of this book back in June and have raved about it ever since. I drove people crazy at the American Library Association conference when I told them they had to read this book. Turned out DC didn't have any advance copies at their booth in the Exhibits floor. My review in a library professional journal will be coming out in a couple of weeks. It's not hype, the book is just that good. I had to put it down several times while reading it for the first time, because BKV made me feel so much for the lions. And I knew the ending, I remembered the news back in 2003. For $19.95 people are getting a hardcover that will survive multiple readings. If you can't afford to buy a copy this week, ask your local library to pick it up and tell them Kat of VOYA sent you - most librarians will know who you mean.

KoozyK
09-13-2006, 09:14 AM
when does thisd vome out? Today or next week...

I saw a blurb about it in GQ for this monthlast month?) and have planned on gettin it sence....

Diamond lists it as coming out today:
SHIPPING THIS WEEK: SEPTEMBER 13, 2006
JUN060255 PRIDE OF BAGHDAD HC (MR) $19.99

I too am conviced based on this and much other good word of mouth. It's real good fortune that my lcs has a sale this week and I'll get the HC for 20%off. yay for me.

jonjesper
09-13-2006, 09:30 AM
If it says BKV I am buying...simple! But I have to say reading Rick's review made me feel even better plopping down $20!
Looking forward to reading this eve!:D

comicfanuk
09-13-2006, 09:33 AM
I'm looking foward to this.
But I have issues with HardCovers. So I'm hoping there will be a PaperBack.

Julio Diaz
09-13-2006, 09:37 AM
A quick correction is in order: my pal Rick is no longer just the manager at Famous Faces. He bought the store outright earlier this year, so he's now the owner.

chap22
09-13-2006, 09:37 AM
just to get this out of the way for the haters who will show up soon:

I was totally digging Rick's review right up until he said "I can put this book alongside Watchmen, Maus, Preacher, Y: The Last Man and Identity Crisis as one of the best things that's ever happened in this medium."

hmmm, which one of these is not like the other? and look, i liked Identity Crisis. a lot. but to put it in that list, alongside those other works? heresy, pure and simple.

skinnyboy23
09-13-2006, 09:57 AM
just to get this out of the way for the haters who will show up soon:

I was totally digging Rick's review right up until he said "I can put this book alongside Watchmen, Maus, Preacher, Y: The Last Man and Identity Crisis as one of the best things that's ever happened in this medium."

hmmm, which one of these is not like the other? and look, i liked Identity Crisis. a lot. but to put it in that list, alongside those other works? heresy, pure and simple.

Gotta agree with you. IC had a horrendous third act.

Shame really.

But Pride of Baghdad is going to be a masterpiece. I can feel it. BKV has yet to let me down.

Kal*el
09-13-2006, 10:14 AM
just to get this out of the way for the haters who will show up soon:

I was totally digging Rick's review right up until he said "I can put this book alongside Watchmen, Maus, Preacher, Y: The Last Man and Identity Crisis as one of the best things that's ever happened in this medium."

hmmm, which one of these is not like the other? and look, i liked Identity Crisis. a lot. but to put it in that list, alongside those other works? heresy, pure and simple.

Completely agree Chap, that made me do a doubletake.

That aside, I'm really looking forward to this book, so much so that I may forgo the $6 discount on Amazon and just pick it up at my LCS today.

CrankyViking
09-13-2006, 10:19 AM
Have to wait until after the wedding, but I'll definitely be checking this one out.

Grimm22
09-13-2006, 10:30 AM
Well im glad to hear that BKV didnt focus on liberal views of the war and whatnot.

It sounds good and im a huge fan of BKV so im probobly going to pick it up

Comic_Doctor
09-13-2006, 10:33 AM
I'm really looking forward to this arriving today. Great concept!

Michael D.
09-13-2006, 10:38 AM
I certainly wouldn't equate IC with Maus, Watchmen, or Preacher either. And I'm not sure Y is the best thing since choclate pudding either, but what the hell, I planned on buying this anyway.

"Well im glad to hear that BKV didnt focus on liberal views of the war and whatnot."

Y'know what? I'm a hardcore liberal and I too am glad the book appears to avoid politics (more or less). Don't misunderstand me, I would love it if the book ended with the lions taking a chunk out of Rumsfeld's leg, but I'm kind of worn out right now about politics, so I applaud BKV for taking a different approach to a very tricky subject...

MattBrady
09-13-2006, 10:55 AM
I too am glad the book appears to avoid politics (more or less). there's no more or less about it. It avoids politics. Virtually all of those who read it will get somehting different out of it.

MattB

Michael D.
09-13-2006, 11:01 AM
Y'know, I added the "more or less" at the last minute since I haven't read the book yet and wanted to avoid making a blanket statement about it, so I'm glad to hear it.

Skyldt
09-13-2006, 11:05 AM
i'm either gonna pick it up today or wait for the paperback. i really want to read it either way...

stvnhthr
09-13-2006, 11:52 AM
I can't wait for Amazon to ship me my copy. This is probably the book I've been looking forward to the most this year.

stvnhthr
09-13-2006, 11:56 AM
I certainly wouldn't equate IC with Maus, Watchmen, or Preacher either. And I'm not sure Y is the best thing since choclate pudding either, but what the hell, I planned on buying this anyway.

Preacher? How does that title keep getting mentioned, I read three issues at different times in the run and found each one morally offensive.

I doubt if Brian K. Vaughan and I share similar world views, but he knows how to write well without relying on polarizing his readers with heavy handed indoctrination.

dalunt
09-13-2006, 12:04 PM
just to get this out of the way for the haters who will show up soon:

I was totally digging Rick's review right up until he said "I can put this book alongside Watchmen, Maus, Preacher, Y: The Last Man and Identity Crisis as one of the best things that's ever happened in this medium."

hmmm, which one of these is not like the other? and look, i liked Identity Crisis. a lot. but to put it in that list, alongside those other works? heresy, pure and simple.

I completely disagree with you, Identity Crisis is what drove me to DC (after reading Marvel ONLY for 18 years, I actually subscribe to several DC titles), and it got huge buzz for the comic book industry with magazines like Entertainment Weekly raving about how great it is.

In the past 10 years or so, I really cant think of any graphic novel that has garnered much needed attention to the industry, nor anything that completely moved me and grabbed my attention and heart towards a bunch of characters I hardly knew, like Identity Crisis did.

LunarDaydreamer
09-13-2006, 12:36 PM
Meep.. double post.

LunarDaydreamer
09-13-2006, 12:37 PM
What a wonderfully passionate and vivacious review. Thank you Rick!

Thanks to you i'll be ordering this, Sir.

^_^

Dave_Garcia
09-13-2006, 01:40 PM
Man, I was trying to convince myself not to buy this (mostly because I am miserly about buying hardbacks)

But... dammit, now I have to.

Damn you BKV and your talents! :)

BamaRainbow
09-13-2006, 02:33 PM
To those who "have issues with hardcovers" or want to "wait for" a softcover, this book has a cover price of only $19.99 ($26.99 Can) which is an incredible deal for a completely original (as in, not collecting previously released material) book. (I can't really imagine what kind of "issue" there could be with a hardcover if it's not price. Hardcovers do generally hold up better than a softcover unless the binding is truly crappy.)

As for the book itself, I've got mine and am looking forward to reading it soon as I can.

TheTourist
09-13-2006, 05:58 PM
Preacher? How does that title keep getting mentioned, I read three issues at different times in the run and found each one morally offensive.

DC should add that quote to the cover of future printings of Preacher trades. Talk about a ringing endorsement!

But about "Pride", I had an especially expensive week this week so I wasn't able to pick it up, even though I'm REALLY looking forward to reading it. If it's half as good as advance reviews make it out to be then it sounds like it could even be powerful enough to shift public opinion. This sounds like "Maus" for a new generation, and I haven't even read it yet.

Hobowatcher
09-13-2006, 06:17 PM
DC should add that quote to the cover of future printings of Preacher trades. Talk about a ringing endorsement!

But about "Pride", I had an especially expensive week this week so I wasn't able to pick it up, even though I'm REALLY looking forward to reading it. If it's half as good as advance reviews make it out to be then it sounds like it could even be powerful enough to shift public opinion. This sounds like "Maus" for a new generation, and I haven't even read it yet.While this may be good and all, "Stuck Rubber Baby" by Howard Cruse is this generation's "Maus." A timeless heartwrenching tale about growing up gay in racist 1960s south. Excellent art, beautiful characters, and thought provoking dialogue. Simply wonderful.

stoned_camel
09-13-2006, 07:25 PM
Is this something that someone not from america would appreciate? I was gonna buy it anyway, i admit, but i'm curious...actually, i won't get a reply before i pick it up :S

Moonbeam
09-13-2006, 09:26 PM
For a book that I planned on ordering 20 copies of before reading because of Vaughan's name attached, I've slightly adjusted my orders. My initial order would have been gigantic considering that I usually only order 2 to 5 copies of most hardcovers. After reading this book, I ordered <b>100 copies</b>. That's right. As insane as that sounds, I'm willing to bet I can sell at least $2000 worth of this book just in my initial order. I feel that strongly about this masterpiece.

I already have this book on order, but this part of Rick's endorsement should make anyone want to read it. To take that kind of risk on a hardcover means there must be something truly special about this book.

I can't wait until I get it! Great review, Rick.

- Vaneta

Nat Gertler
09-13-2006, 09:51 PM
Stuck Rubber Baby is certainly a fine graphic novel, and well worth reading. (And we've seen far too little Cruse since.)

However, it was published in 1995, so generationwise, it's closer in time to the publication of the completion of Maus than it is to today. To me, they're both the same generation -- and that generation's Maus is, well, Maus.

--This generation's Nat Gertler

Pack
09-14-2006, 01:58 AM
Identity Crisis threw you folks...? Here was what made me do a Kyle's mom wha-wha-what?

I seriously didn't think BKV could make me care so much about talking lions, but he put more character into them than just about anything I've ever seen from Disney or Pixar in just 136 pages.

Wow.
Who would have ever thought there was anything in literature that could approach the depth of character seen in a Disney film!
(Or as they said in the Tick, READ A BOOK!)

Superman4ever
09-14-2006, 02:07 AM
Diamond lists it as coming out today:
SHIPPING THIS WEEK: SEPTEMBER 13, 2006
JUN060255 PRIDE OF BAGHDAD HC (MR) $19.99

I too am conviced based on this and much other good word of mouth. It's real good fortune that my lcs has a sale this week and I'll get the HC for 20%off. yay for me.

Or you could be even more cunning! (http://www.amazon.com/Pride-Baghdad-Brian-K-Vaughan/dp/1401203140/sr=8-1/qid=1158214009/ref=pd_bbs_1/104-5183093-1015968?ie=UTF8&s=books)

Michael D.
09-14-2006, 02:23 AM
Preacher? How does that title keep getting mentioned, I read three issues at different times in the run and found each one morally offensive.

I doubt if Brian K. Vaughan and I share similar world views, but he knows how to write well without relying on polarizing his readers with heavy handed indoctrination.

I'm not sure if three issues at different times in the run is a fair representation of ANY series, but perhaps the ones you read just happened to contain some of the more, uh, explicit scenes or dialogue. Ah well. I read every issue, including the spinoffs, and found it to be, ultimately, a touching tale of love and friendship. Except for the parts about f*cking farm animals.

Evil Rick Shea
09-14-2006, 02:35 AM
Identity Crisis threw you folks...? Here was what made me do a Kyle's mom wha-wha-what?

Quote:
Originally Posted by MattBrady
I seriously didn't think BKV could make me care so much about talking lions, but he put more character into them than just about anything I've ever seen from Disney or Pixar in just 136 pages.

Wow.
Who would have ever thought there was anything in literature that could approach the depth of character seen in a Disney film!
(Or as they said in the Tick, READ A BOOK!)

Although that is somewhat funny, I'm well aware of Animal Farm, Charlotte's Web and their film counterparts, but I'm referring to the disturbingly large audience for all of the Disney and Pixar films the last few years, most of which revolve around talking animals. None of those films come close to this book.

Evil Rick Shea
Famous Faces & Funnies
Melbourne, FL

Hobowatcher
09-14-2006, 02:45 AM
Identity Crisis threw you folks...? Here was what made me do a Kyle's mom wha-wha-what?



Wow.
Who would have ever thought there was anything in literature that could approach the depth of character seen in a Disney film!
(Or as they said in the Tick, READ A BOOK!)
I don't know...have you seen Watership Down, Plague Dogs, Secret of Nihm, or American Tale? Those have incredible depth for animated animals. But then again, none of those were from Disney or Pixar.

Hobowatcher
09-14-2006, 02:46 AM
Although that is somewhat funny, I'm well aware of Animal Farm, Charlotte's Web and their film counterparts, but I'm referring to the disturbingly large audience for all of the Disney and Pixar films the last few years, most of which revolve around talking animals. None of those films come close to this book.

Evil Rick Shea
Famous Faces & Funnies
Melbourne, FL
None of those films came close to being good either.

earth2tom
09-14-2006, 03:38 AM
Preacher? How does that title keep getting mentioned, I read three issues at different times in the run and found each one morally offensive.

I doubt if Brian K. Vaughan and I share similar world views, but he knows how to write well without relying on polarizing his readers with heavy handed indoctrination.

What you found morally offensive, others like myself found a similar world view that we could live in for a few minutes a month. Out of all of the non-offensive PC comics floating around out there, we at least get to have the occasional deviant comic to keep us godless ones entertained right? And besides what does Preacher being morally offensive have to do with it being one of the greatest comics ever written? I find the Bible morally offensive on many levels, but I can aknowledge that it has had a profound effect on society and has some great stories within it.

8leggedfreak
09-14-2006, 05:44 AM
This book works on so many levels. It's touching, shocking and rewarding. I'm also very pleased that BKV didn't turn this political and instead just focused on telling the story he wants.

There's probably many people out there who were on the fence. Trust me, it's worth it. $19.95 for a full size hardcover is not bad at all, especially when many softcovers cost that much. You'll probably be waiting 6-9 months for a softcover edition- although if the hardcover sells out I'm sure DC will rush the softcover to market.

I honestly can't recommend Pride of Baghdad enough.

EmeraldGuy32
09-14-2006, 01:17 PM
I completely disagree with you, Identity Crisis is what drove me to DC (after reading Marvel ONLY for 18 years, I actually subscribe to several DC titles), and it got huge buzz for the comic book industry with magazines like Entertainment Weekly raving about how great it is.

In the past 10 years or so, I really cant think of any graphic novel that has garnered much needed attention to the industry, nor anything that completely moved me and grabbed my attention and heart towards a bunch of characters I hardly knew, like Identity Crisis did.
well, it's only real benefit was all the press it got, not so much it's quality.

earth2tom
09-14-2006, 04:26 PM
On a level of purely an entertainment value, IC holds up to all of the other vaunted graphic novels and even surpasses a few. Sure it doesn't have as much of a literary value as Watchmen, but it sure as hell entertained me as much.

Swift
09-15-2006, 08:15 AM
Just finished reading mine. Great book, and for me it ends at the horizon double page spread where Ali (the cub) asks, "Is that a horizon?" Whatever happens after that page I refuse to accept.

Five by Five
09-16-2006, 06:32 AM
Ok Rick, if you really liked this book that much, I might read it.

Blind Assassin
09-16-2006, 08:42 AM
If I may add to the chorus of glowing reviews for Pride of Baghdad.....

The Bendis Board chose Pride of Baghdad as their 'review group book of the week'.

Here is a link to the discussion and reviews: (warning, reviews may contain spoilers, as this is a discussion by people who have already read the book)

http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=85526


Of the 21 people who have read and reviewed it thus far, on a scale of 1 - 10, twenty of the reviewers gave the book a perfect '10'. The lowest score the book recieved was the one person who gave it a '9'.

Congrats to Brian, Niko, and the gang at DC/Vertigo

stvnhthr
09-16-2006, 02:12 PM
I'm really looking forward to reading this. I was initially concerned that it may have been written as an anti-war piece, maybe only personifying the animals tale and not explaining the motives of the real people, but then I read some of the ture accounts of how the Army only shot the lions which were going to eat civilians(and looters at that.) The rest the lions they took care of and invested considerable time and money into making sure survived. It is pretty cool to see the US Army which is sometimes unjustly attacked given some credit when they do something extraordinary for wildlife.


http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2003/06/0604_030604_udayslions.html

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2003/10/1002_031002_iraqlions.html


http://www.wildaid.org/index.asp?CID=8&PID=331&SUBID=&TERID=15

innocentboy
09-16-2006, 09:02 PM
been looking forward to Pride of Baghdad for a long time now still, haven't had a chance to read it YET, but plan to. the art is beautiful for real, and judging from BKV's writing resume, sure the writing's gonna be dope too, no question!

cyclopsfan
09-19-2006, 12:04 AM
I absolutely loved the book. To be honest I was really thinking this book would insult me politically and was a little hesitant in buying something like this unread. I haven't regretted it since.

My only complaint... is I don't feel there was any justification (I'll try to remain as spoiler less as possible) or way of portraying the final event in any way positive to the us military. Help me if I just plain missed the "we aren't jerks" mentality of the culprits. I'm not looking to stir up a debate, I simply didn't get it as anything other than an unprovoked attack. Please don't start an argument over this post... I'd much rather you PM me with where I went wrong, or missed the point.


Just looking for healthy conversation... not a flame war.

stvnhthr
09-19-2006, 07:20 AM
I absolutely loved the book. To be honest I was really thinking this book would insult me politically and was a little hesitant in buying something like this unread. I haven't regretted it since.

My only complaint... is I don't feel there was any justification (I'll try to remain as spoiler less as possible) or way of portraying the final event in any way positive to the us military. Help me if I just plain missed the "we aren't jerks" mentality of the culprits. I'm not looking to stir up a debate, I simply didn't get it as anything other than an unprovoked attack. Please don't start an argument over this post... I'd much rather you PM me with where I went wrong, or missed the point.


Just looking for healthy conversation... not a flame war.

sort of Spoilerish:

I just got it. I haven't read it yet, but I did flip through it to study the artwork, so I know the ending. I really don't understand why BKV chose to end it that way. In real life the US soldiers shot some starved lions which were about to attack people and rescued the other lions and nursed them back to health and cared for them until they could find new homes.

I think BKV was trying to say something about the US military being backwards and ends up hurting those it tries to protect (notice the panel with the American flag flipped.) The silly thing is he has to change the real life facts, or only show part of the truth, to fit his view. He could have just as easily ended the story focusing on the lions which the military rescued. In reality all the animals were in bad shape because of the way the Baghdad zoo keepers abandoned them. Iraqi cilvilians were also apparently ransacking the zoo and eating some of the animals. Uday Hussein's collection was malnourished and had recieved inadequate care for years. Apparently Uday also used his animals to torture political victems.

The only gleam of hope for all the Baghdad animals has been the US Military which rounded them up and cared for them until US animal welfare and rescue agencies could be flown in to provide emergency medical treatment. It was only the US which got involved to save the animals.

On the other hand, there is also a report of a drunk US soldier shooting a Bengal Tiger for mauling another soldier who stuck his arm in the tiger's pen. So I know everyone in the US military is not perfect, and the soldiers do make some stupid mistakes. But for the most part the US is acting as a force of good. To selectively show parts of the truth to support a political slant seems manipulative.

But again, I hope once I read the rest of the book it will change my perception of what BKV has written. Maybe the words tell a different tale than the pictures.