MARVEL ANNOUNCES: CIVIL WAR: CHOOSING SIDES

[MattBrady]

<a href="http://www.newsarama.com/marvelnew/CivilWar/CW_CSides.htm" target="_blank"><img src="http://www.newsarama.com/marvelnew/CivilWar/CIVWARCS001_proof2_t.jpg" alt="" name="" border="0" align="right"></a><i>Press Release</i>

<blockquote> Civil War is encompassing the entire Marvel Universe and the effects of the war are being felt by every hero, villain, and civilian. Civil War: Choosing Sides One-Shot features five stories that shine a spotlight on the wildcards and impact players whose part in the Civil War has yet to be told, including Daredevil/Iron Fist, U.S. Agent, the Irredeemable Ant Man, Venom, and even…Howard the Duck!?

While the heroes wage war on one another, just what are the villains of the Marvel Universe up to? Mac Gargan, the supervillain known as Venom, is looking at a country full of preoccupied heroes. That spells trouble for anybody in his way. Written by Marc Guggenheim with art by Leinil Franics Yu, this Venom story shows why the psychotic symbiote’s bloody role in Civil War is just getting started. Everyone will be amazed where his story continues.

Danny Rand, the man who has recently moonlighted as Daredevil and who possesses the power of the Iron Fist, has joined Captain America’s Anti-Registration crew along with his former partner Luke Cage. Find out the reasons behind Iron Fist’s decision in this story by Matt Fraction and David Aja in a story that leads into the new Iron Fist ongoing series from Fraction, Brubaker, and Aja coming this November.

In a story by Robert Kirkman and Phil Hester, Civil War sees the birth of brand-new superhero with a classic name in the Irredeemable Ant-Man. When a low-level S.H.I.E.L.D. agent comes across Hank Pym’s prototype for a new Ant-Man suit, the entire Marvel Universe is in trouble. This “hero” isn’t looking to help mankind, he’s looking out for himself. Not only does this story feature the first appearance of the new Ant-Man, but it leads directly into the new ongoing The Irredeemable Ant-Man #1 in October.

Captain America has chosen a side, but what about the man who briefly took up his mantle, the U.S. Agent? In a story by Michael Avon Oeming and Scott Kolins, John Walker has to choose a side – the government he has always remained loyal to or the man whose legend he attempted to uphold? The answer won’t be what you think.

Plus, “Civil War: I’m With Howard!” What happens when you’re an alien duck stuck in a Civil War? The most asked for tale of Marvel’s Civil War…does a Master of Quack Fu need to register? Find out what the Super Human Registration Act has in store for everybody’s favorite surly duck in a story by Ty Templeton.

Don’t miss the Civil War: Choosing Sides One-Shot as the characters from these five stories gear up to make an impact on Civil War.

CIVIL WAR: CHOOSING SIDES (JUL068173)
Written by MICHAEL AVON OEMING, MATT FRACTION, ROBERT KIRKMAN, TY TEMPLETON, AND MARC GUGGENHEIM
Penciled by LEINIL FRANCIS YU, DAVID AJA, PHIL HESTER, SCOTT KOLLINS, AND TY TEMPLETON
48 PGS./Rated T+ ...$3.99
FOC 10/5, On Sale 10/25/2006 </blockquote>

[tridon]

Oeming and Kolins on a U.S. Agent story? Well there's our answer to whos on Omega Flight! This one-shot sounds awesome, though! Can't wait!:)

[Robot H Brian]

Man, would I totally buy a Howard miniseries if it were written and drawn by Ty Templeton.

[NightRiver]

haha, glad to see that Howard the Duck has not been forgotten during the CW. Now all they have to do is give Howard a Max Title, and everything will be set.

[Bobo Da Hobo]

Well, aprt from Guggenheim....this could be the best book ever

[matchesmalone]

I really wish Marvel would hire inkers for Leinel Francis Yu. Instead of conveying shadows, the lines on Captain America's face look like he has one of those cheesy short but extremely detailed razor-cut beards. Boo!

I really don't think they look at the finished product with a clear eye these days. There's so much unnecessarily crappy artwork like this. Yu is a fine penciller but that's all.

[MattBrady]

I really wish Marvel would hire inkers for Leinel Francis Yu. Instead of conveying shadows, the lines on Captain America's face look like he has one of those cheesy short but extremely detailed razor-cut beards. Boo! That's US Agent, and he's a proud metrosexual.

MattB

[Hoylus]

They totally stole my signature idea.

[matchesmalone]

That's US Agent, and he's a proud metrosexual.

MattB

Frickin' Hilarious!!! thanks Matt

[Michael T]

Cool beans, I'm there!

[InBetween]

I'm liking what I've seen of Leinil, but not the Venom. Too big and bulkie and heavily vasculatured. If I want that I'll look at every other person drawing Venom...

His line/shading is interesting, not as overdone as…whoeverthehell did that Ultimate Extinction thing (Petterson?)

[Truthseeker]

I would be even more excited about this if it were a dollar. It is clearly a book designed to lead into and help launch new ongoings. DC did fans a solid with Brave New World. It would have been nice to see Marvel do the same.

[deathmasterj]

I was worried this new "fill in" books that were announced to help ease wait between issues of the main CW series were going to sub-standard, but I honestly think I'm going to enjoy EVERY story in this book looking at those creators.

CAN NOT wait for this! Woo! Bring on the delays if it means more of this ;)

(Although it's pretty obvious that US Agent is gonna be jumping over the border to Canada...).

[Jed Saxon]

Agent and Howard?
Oeming, Templeton, Kolins and Aja?
I'm SOOOO in! WOOHOO!

I really wish Marvel would hire inkers for Leinel Francis Yu.

And I wish they would never let an inker or colorist touch his work. Yu is an artist who only should let his work being published in b/w. SOOOOOO much better.

[Garth Rockett]

Even though I've been avoiding Civil War, I may get this just for the Howard the Duck story.

I guess I've really lost touch with Marvel. When did Mac Gargan become Venom? What happened to Eddie Brock?

[ETS]

Yeah, Cap's shield wouldn't have indentions all over it and chipped on one corner.

One thing stands out when I look at that artwork... EYES. This artist is clearly obsessed with eyes.

[JamFool]

“Civil War: I’m With Howard!” What happens when you’re an alien duck stuck in a Civil War? The most asked for tale of Marvel’s Civil War…does a Master of Quack Fu need to register? Find out what the Super Human Registration Act has in store for everybody’s favorite surly duck in a story by Ty Templeton.

This makes me very happy!

I was p***ed off initially about yet another Civil War crossover title, but now it's the comic I'm looking forward to most:)

[saiyanspider]

I'm liking what I've seen of Leinil, but not the Venom. Too big and bulkie and heavily vasculatured. If I want that I'll look at every other person drawing Venom...

His line/shading is interesting, not as overdone as…whoeverthehell did that Ultimate Extinction thing (Petterson?)


I hate the new Venom.... I want my Eddie Brock...

and I want my Mac Gargon as SCORPION!

[Spaz_Monkey]

Damn you Marvel, for makig me buy a Civil War book! Til now, I'd successfully avoided all things Civil War. But then ya just had to go and put Howard in a book? My weird, slightly OCD-ish obsession with Howard forces me to buy this book!

Curse you Marvel, and your evil (yet brilliant) way of making me buy into your stories! :mad:

:p

[JamFool]

I hate the new Venom.... I want my Eddie Brock...


he'll be back, mark my words

[Marchie77]

"John Walker has to choose a side – the government he has always remained loyal to or the man whose legend he attempted to uphold? The answer won’t be what you think."

Really? Cause I think he'll back out of making a choice and run off to Canada

[Superfrick]

he'll be back, mark my words

Didn't he die from cancer?

[Lex]

Even though I'm not buying Civil War, I find this one-shot to be an extremely fun idea. Plus it leads into books like Ant-Man that I was already planning to buy. Wow, I'm actually going to buy a Civil War book.

Oh and I with Howard!

[Michael Heide]

I guess I've really lost touch with Marvel. When did Mac Gargan become Venom? What happened to Eddie Brock?
In Mark Millar's Marvel Knights Spider-Man, Eddie Brock had an epiphany. He had a terminal disease (cancer?) and decided to auction off the symbiote. He gave the money to charity in an attempt to atone for the sins committed as Venom.
Don Fortunato won the auction and gave the symbiote to his geeky son that never contributed to anything (in his father's eyes at least). His son, however, lost the symbiote pretty soon and died. The symbiote then went to Mac Gargan, who we last saw in Beyond!.
Brock then tried to commit suicide because he realized that he was the only thing helding the symbiote in check. Without his conscience, he made everything worse. However, in Civil War Frontlines #4, we see Brock in a hospital, obviously having survived his suicide attempt.

[Bevbos]

Didn't he die from cancer?

No, this (ballsy in my opinion) decision was ignored. He's on life support.

[JamFool]

Didn't he die from cancer?

check out Amazing Spider-man issue 533, page 14

[deeunlm1t3d]

They totally stole my signature idea.

lol.... That made me laugh for some strange reason.

[Pauul]

Oeming and Kolins on a U.S. Agent story? Well there's our answer to whos on Omega Flight!

Not necessarily... they could always trying to be misleading. Afterall they did say "The answer won’t be what you think". Maybe this story will lead to someone else taking up the uniform of 'The Captain' or possibly be unrelated. Still, U.S.Agent looks cool though.

[BanMan]

In Mark Millar's Marvel Knights Spider-Man, Eddie Brock had an epiphany. He had a terminal disease (cancer?) and decided to auction off the symbiote. He gave the money to charity in an attempt to atone for the sins committed as Venom.
Don Fortunato won the auction and gave the symbiote to his geeky son that never contributed to anything (in his father's eyes at least). His son, however, lost the symbiote pretty soon and died. The symbiote then went to Mac Gargan, who we last saw in Beyond!.
Brock then tried to commit suicide because he realized that he was the only thing helding the symbiote in check. Without his conscience, he made everything worse. However, in Civil War Frontlines #4, we see Brock in a hospital, obviously having survived his suicide attempt.

Yea. My question is will the Symbiote take Brock back. Yea it may be more accustomed to Brock, but physically Gargan is a superior host. Maybe Brock becomes a supporting character in one of the Spidey books, which'd be nice considering him trying to change his ways.

[BanMan]

No, this (ballsy in my opinion) decision was ignored. He's on life support.

Wait, which one is ballsy? Having cancer or trying to end his life prematurely?

[The Beyonder]

What!? No Beyonder?

Either way, this is going to freakin' rock. Love the artist. Love Howard. Can't wait.

[Clem]

CanadAgent doesnt quite have the same ring to it does it...

[Bevbos]

Wait, which one is ballsy? Having cancer or trying to end his life prematurely?

Actually, his attempt to commit suicide was what I was referring to.

But I know my opinion isn't widely shared.

I just think it was ballsy in light of Brock's pretty well-known Catholic background. The symbiote pain was so intense he actually committed (or tried to) the most grevious sin.

[Prometheus3]

I can't wait to pick this up!

[POWRSURG]

<blockquote>While the heroes wage war on one another, just what are the villains of the Marvel Universe up to? Mac Gargan, the supervillain known as Venom, is looking at a country full of preoccupied heroes. That spells trouble for anybody in his way. Written by Marc Guggenheim with art by Leinil Franics Yu, this Venom story shows why the psychotic symbiote’s bloody role in Civil War is just getting started. Everyone will be amazed where his story continues.</blockquote>

Clearly this hints at a return of Spectacular Spider-Man. :p What is with what looks to be white dots that resemble Spider-Man's eyes over Venom's eyes?


<blockquote>Captain America has chosen a side, but what about the man who briefly took up his mantle, the U.S. Agent? In a story by Michael Avon Oeming and Scott Kolins, John Walker has to choose a side – the government he has always remained loyal to or the man whose legend he attempted to uphold? The answer won’t be what you think.</blockquote>

Well, this answers my question from Joe Fridays a few weeks back. I should get some commission for beginning the Civil War/US Agent talks. :) What's with the return to the classic costume? He hasn't used that look since Avengers West Coast was cancelled, where last we saw the costume was when he threw it and the shield in a lake. Since then he had the Force Works costume, the Judge Dredd-like costume, and re-dubbed himself Captain America with a more miltary-like Cap costume when he was a member of the Invaders.

Now, I'm not much of an Iron Fist fan, but since when can Danny power up both hands? If he can do both, why isn't he called Iron Fists?

Here's to Howard the Punisher (note the shirt).

[DoctorTom]

Clearly this hints at a return of Spectacular Spider-Man. :p What is with what looks to be white dots that resemble Spider-Man's eyes over Venom's eyes?


Here's to Howard the Punisher (note the shirt).


Good catch. Maybe the government recruits him to bring in Man-Thing for not registering. :)

[Scarlet Mage]

I really wish Marvel would hire inkers for Leinel Francis Yu. Instead of conveying shadows, the lines on Captain America's face look like he has one of those cheesy short but extremely detailed razor-cut beards. Boo!

I really don't think they look at the finished product with a clear eye these days. There's so much unnecessarily crappy artwork like this. Yu is a fine penciller but that's all.

To be honest, I thought USAgent (or is that CanadAgent now?) was a Marvel Zombie at first glance. Can't say I'm a particular fann of the artist...

[bcondray]

Just give me more Howard The Duck!!! :D

[HeX111]

F*CK!!! another Civil War book that I want!!! I swear to god, this event has been everything I've ever asked for in a crossover-event... (except for the delays, but if the delays mean more good civil war related goodness... bring 'em on!!!!)

[Scarlet Mage]

Actually, his attempt to commit suicide was what I was referring to.

But I know my opinion isn't widely shared.

I just think it was ballsy in light of Brock's pretty well-known Catholic background. The symbiote pain was so intense he actually committed (or tried to) the most grevious sin.

Ballsy is the word for Marvel depicting it, hardly a word for the act itself. I'm clinically depressed and attempted suicide at least once a year before being diagnosed. Suicide is not something to rgeard as heroic or to be emulated. Suicide is a coward's way out. The cliche 'a permanant answer to a temporary problem' is true. Marvel won't show people smoking so they have no business glorifying suicide either. MAYBE for the terminally ill it's an option in the real world, but in a comic universe where Spider-Woman's blood can save Black Goliath or Jean Grey has a revolving door between life and death, Brock shouldn't have been portrayed as having only suicide as a way out.

[TheMadMonk]

Oeming and Kolins on a U.S. Agent story? Well there's our answer to whos on Omega Flight! This one-shot sounds awesome, though! Can't wait!:)

Agreed......Omega Flight is looking interesting.

This should have been an ongoing mini throughout Civil War. It is far more interesting to some of us less thrilled by the main event, probably would have made decent money. A $3.99 book, finances the week I see it will decide.

Annihilation is better anyway. :cool:

[Eric Palicki]

CanadAgent doesnt quite have the same ring to it does it...

U.S. eh-gent?

Yes? No?

Anybody?

[justice~!]

"In a story by Michael Avon Oeming and Scott Kolins, John Walker has to choose a side – the government he has always remained loyal to or the man whose legend he attempted to uphold? The answer won’t be what you think."

I mean, the solicit *gives it away* right there. Ridiculous...

[Darth Wahu]

*yawn*

probably be dealyed too

[MarkG72]

I *LOVE* that cover! Hell yes, I am getting this. Love Howard!

[NC-17]

I'm with Howard....

[d0dg3r]

To me, for some reason I probably couldn't put into words, Howard the Duck was the face of '70s Marvel. And the character's never quite seemed "right" since then.

But a MAX series by the right team could be cool.

If I pick this up at all, it will be to check out what they do with Howard.:cool:

[skaly]

No, this (ballsy in my opinion) decision was ignored. He's on life support.

He tried to commit suicide at the end of Millar's run. Apparently it failed.

I see they brought back Venom's tongue. Millar wasn't a fan of it.

[Moriarty]

Hmm. Art by Phil Hester. My interest is piqued...

[skaly]

Wait, which one is ballsy? Having cancer or trying to end his life prematurely?

I think the creative decision was pretty ballsy.

[OM]

...Of course, the Howard entry will go one of two ways:

1) "Look, kids in duck suits don't need to apply, so scram!"

...or, most likely:

2) "Well, it doesn't matter what side Howard picks, because Steve Gerber will pretend it never happened the next time he decides to write the character again after he and Marvel mend another rift over royalties."

Seriously, they need to tell us where Irving Forbush stands on all this crap...

[Stormbreaker]

While I think that's a really sub-par cover for Yu, I am incredibly interested in the U.S. Agent story. It's pretty clear that he'll eventually join Omega Flight given the team doing this story is the exact same one that'll be doing Omega Flight (Oeming and Kollins). As for Venom, I want Eddie Brock back! That's one of the things that I didn't like about Millar's Spider-Man (that and the fact that the entire thing was Norman Osborn's fault...again. But that's another topic).

[Stormbreaker]

U.S. eh-gent?

Yes? No?

Anybody?

Look! He tells jokes! :-D That one really was funny though.

[Drcharles]

Actually,
the only side that sounds like the right side to be on is........
Howard the Duck of course,.............How can he be Wrong ???????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Stormbreaker]

Annihilation is better anyway. :cool:

So, so true, my friend. I think Civil War's ok, but ANNIHILATION's where it's at in the Marvel Universe.

[God-Man]

Hey, this sounds pretty cool. I'm not buying Civil War or any of the tie ins, but I just might get this.

[chbryan]

I, for one, would like to know where Irving Forbush stands on all of this -- I'm sure whatever side he picks would regret his allegiance! There's a story to be told in how each side tries to get the Potheaded Wonder to please go with the other guys. I propose a special fourteenth issue of Not Brand Echh: "Civil Bore".

I like Ty Templeton's humor work a great deal, but to me, if it ain't Gerber, it ain't Howard (whom I would love to see in another Max title).

[MillerLite]

I don't know how anyone would want to read Howard the Duck without Steve Gerber. It seems to me that a lot of people have forgotten that Steve already did a MAX series of Howard the Duck, which was well received. For some reason known only to Steve and the House of Ideas, they haven't done anything since. Since Steve's last series with Howard was a MAX book, that's why it could easily ignore what had been done before to the character (which I'm glad they did).

I, too, am obsessive compulsive when it comes to Howard appearances. I'm just torn because it's not the 'real' Howard. Come on Marvel, get Steve to do more issues!!!!!

[Peter Price]

No, this (ballsy in my opinion) decision was ignored. He's on life support.

I thought Brock & Venom were supposed to be permantly bonded at the end of Paul Jenkins story in the relaunched Spectacular Spider-Man.

[The Funketeer]

To borrow some logic from Oliver on Fanboy Radio, what about Brother Voodoo?

[khuxford]

Ah...I see...this delay gave Marvel a chance to come up with a BRAVE NEW WORLD of sorts. I think that sounds pretty good...

[HG_studios]

Ah...I see...this delay gave Marvel a chance to come up with a BRAVE NEW WORLD of sorts. I think that sounds pretty good...
it's just a pity they couldn't emulate the price...

[FChamberlain]

Well, aprt from Guggenheim....this could be the best book ever

Wow... though I am curious about all of the stories, Guggenheim's name was the selling point that pushed it onto the pull list for me.

[Don Mega]

This One-shot should be great fun!

Marvel equals great comics these days.

[dantebk]

This is a missed opportunity from Marvel, I think. It sounds like this is really just a preview to some of their upcoming titles, like Iron Fist, Ant-Man, Omega Flight, and so on... and I would totally buy it if it was $1.00 like DCs preview books... but I've decided no more $4 comics unless they're really extraordinary. Sorry, Choosing Sides.

[khuxford]

This is a missed opportunity from Marvel, I think. It sounds like this is really just a preview to some of their upcoming titles, like Iron Fist, Ant-Man, Omega Flight, and so on... and I would totally buy it if it was $1.00 like DCs preview books... but I've decided no more $4 comics unless they're really extraordinary. Sorry, Choosing Sides.

In fairness, this is something they are putting out to help retailers (and themselves) fill-in for some lost revenue due to the delays. If they had come up with this BEFORE the delays, they might have made it a lower price point like that...

[roblewmac]

you know this sounds fun but where's the terror Inc story? If people start dying in Civl war Terror should be going around with a shopping cart.
ALSO somebody (I forget who) around here said Death's head should pop up and I like that idea

[deathmasterj]

I thought Brock & Venom were supposed to be permantly bonded at the end of Paul Jenkins story in the relaunched Spectacular Spider-Man.

I thoight it was that if the Symbiote left Brock then he would die as it was the only thing keeping the Cancer under control? Or something like that.

[Michael Heide]

I thought Brock & Venom were supposed to be permantly bonded at the end of Paul Jenkins story in the relaunched Spectacular Spider-Man.
Yeah, but since then, Superboy Prime punched an invisible wall...

[The Bry]

Yeah, but since then, Superboy Prime punched an invisible wall...

The wall was visible to him otherwise he wouldn't have been able to hit it... besides it was more like Wanda just "No more Venom"

[EmeraldGuy32]

sounds too good to be true.

[lex luthor]

Interesting format. Much like DC's Brave New World.

[King CBR]

CanadAgent doesnt quite have the same ring to it does it...

Captain CANADIA!!!

[mrfstr]

Oeming and Kolins on a U.S. Agent story? Well there's our answer to whos on Omega Flight! This one-shot sounds awesome, though! Can't wait!:)


hhmmm... very interesting, indeed.

I am a BIG US Agent fan. Yep, I like John Walker. Thank the good lord Xenu that they have returned him to THE US Agent costume, rather than the crap they stuck him with in Force Works and his solo book 5 years or so ago. That last one looked like a cheap Black Knight... and that's saying something!


Well, if the Omega Flight link is as significant as it seems, I'll be happy that Walker is featured again.

[BamaRainbow]

Just a couple of points that warrant some thought:

First, from the article:

In a story by Robert Kirkman and Phil Hester, Civil War sees the birth of brand-new superhero with a classic name in the Irredeemable Ant-Man. When a low-level S.H.I.E.L.D. agent comes across Hank Pym’s prototype for a new Ant-Man suit, the entire Marvel Universe is in trouble. This “hero” isn’t looking to help mankind, he’s looking out for himself. Not only does this story feature the first appearance of the new Ant-Man, but it leads directly into the new ongoing The Irredeemable Ant-Man #1 in October.
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CIVIL WAR: CHOOSING SIDES (JUL068173)
Written by MICHAEL AVON OEMING, MATT FRACTION, ROBERT KIRKMAN, TY TEMPLETON, AND MARC GUGGENHEIM
Penciled by LEINIL FRANCIS YU, DAVID AJA, PHIL HESTER, SCOTT KOLLINS, AND TY TEMPLETON
48 PGS./Rated T+ ...$3.99
FOC 10/5, On Sale 10/25/2006

Now, if this is supposed to "feature the first appearance" and lead "directly into the new ongoing" series, does this mean that "The Irredeemable Ant-Man #1" will be late? "Ant-Man" was solicited by Marvel with a Final Order Cut-Off of 9/14 (that's next week) with an on-sale date of 10/4--three weeks before the new Ant-Man's "first appearance" and after the series begins. Maybe it's just me, but there's just no way this can lead "into" a book that's already been on the shelves for three weeks. (Describing it as a "flashback" of events that lead into the series is one thing, but that's not how this is described.

Second, I'm amazed that Marvel is able to get this special out in such a short time when the main "Civil War" title can't be put together in a timely enough fashion for a monthly schedule. Granted, this is an anthology so it doesn't require nearly as much time for each creative team as a "monthly" book would (I sometimes think Templeton could produce a 48-page monthly title without ever missing a deadline). When did Marvel know this book would be done and arrange for the creators to get their work turned in? Was this planned when Marvel first became aware that the main book would be late or as an afterthought when Marvel made the announcement about other fill-ins? (If the former, then this is just really poor planning on Marvel's part since it could have been included in Previews last week. If the latter, it shows that Marvel CAN get people who can meet a tight deadline, just not for some premiere projects.)

To the poster who mentioned that this is supposed to help retailers make up for the income lost from the late shipping on "Civil War", I don't see how this will do all that much. It might help lure people who are uncertain about the Iron Fist book (since that will ship a month after this), and some die-hard Venom fans may really go for it, but the USAgent and Howard the Duck? (As I noted, Ant-Man's book will have already been in stores for weeks by the time this special ships, so that feature won't have much impact.) I don't really see retailers ordering this in levels comparable to the regular "Civil War" book (or even a sizable fraction to offset the impact of the loss of the main book's sales).

[Kolimar]

Fantastic creators and a very interesting cast of characters all things considered. :)

[Kolimar]

I would be even more excited about this if it were a dollar. It is clearly a book designed to lead into and help launch new ongoings. DC did fans a solid with Brave New World. It would have been nice to see Marvel do the same.

Agreed. <www>

[Somebody]

Well, this answers my question from Joe Fridays a few weeks back. I should get some commission for beginning the Civil War/US Agent talks. :) What's with the return to the classic costume? He hasn't used that look since Avengers West Coast was cancelled, where last we saw the costume was when he threw it and the shield in a lake. Since then he had the Force Works costume, the Judge Dredd-like costume, and re-dubbed himself Captain America with a more miltary-like Cap costume when he was a member of the Invaders.
Actually, he reverted to the "The Captain" outfit (with a different shield) briefly before his Judge Dredd phase. And New Invaders' last issue had Cap threaten to sue him if he didn't get a costume change PDQ (apparently, Cap owns all rights to the classic Cap costume in the MU now). Clearly, he just defaulted back to his first USAgent costume. And maybe getting that shield out of the harbour he threw it into in AWC102 is why it's in such a state...

Now, I'm not much of an Iron Fist fan, but since when can Danny power up both hands?
Black Panther (Priest series) #38.

[OcCaM]

There's only a couple stories I'd want from this, and at $4 a pop with 48 pages and ads, I'll have to presume that this will five 8 page stories.

And 16 pages for $4 doesn't cut it for me.

Shame though I always love Howard (yes even when not by the almighty Steve Gerber!) And since Iron Fist is getting his own series I guess I can live without the 8 page tryout.

I really don't like the creative team on Antman and I've given Kirkman lots of chances with lots of books, nor does the new Venom do much for me. And I loathe US Agent!, biggest prick in the Marvel U. that isn't a villian. Even pretty artwork by Yu and Kolins won't help me get this.

Oh well have to save $$$ where I can, but this just isn't worth it.

And speaking of saving $$$ I was thinking one thought during that Omega Flight series. Much as I lke Julia Carpenter, Talisman and Guardian (but don't particularly love them) and while I do love and have never passed on any Kolins artwork, having US Agent on the team would force me to pass on Kolins artwork for the first time. It's ok I'm already 10 or so titles over budget anyway. I'll admit I put up with Agent in West Coast Avengers, but that's because I had more love for the other characters AND it was a larger cast so he got less screen time presumably. Walker irritates me as much as Gardner. But, at least Guy Gardner was played for laughs most of the time.

[Kolimar]

Oeming and Kolins on a U.S. Agent story? Well there's our answer to whos on Omega Flight! This one-shot sounds awesome, though! Can't wait!:)

That's what I've been saying since the beginning and this does give me more confidence but


Not necessarily... they could always trying to be misleading. Afterall they did say "The answer won’t be what you think". Maybe this story will lead to someone else taking up the uniform of 'The Captain' or possibly be unrelated. Still, U.S.Agent looks cool though.

Exactly.

[Kolimar]

While I think that's a really sub-par cover for Yu, I am incredibly interested in the U.S. Agent story. It's pretty clear that he'll eventually join Omega Flight given the team doing this story is the exact same one that'll be doing Omega Flight (Oeming and Kollins).

See previous post. ;)

[skaly]

The wall was visible to him otherwise he wouldn't have been able to hit it... besides it was more like Wanda just "No more Venom"

Who cares about any of that crap? What about the tongue??? Why is it still there??? In an interview, Millar made a point of not including it in the new design. He thought it was stupid! And you guys are worrying about insignificant little things like Brock's cancer and the fact that he's dead but he's not? Prioritize, people!

[red-maverick]

This sounds like it could be one of the best CW tie-ins of all. Iron Fist/Daredevil is what I'm most interested in, I was gonna buy Iredeemable Ant-man title even before this book but now this is even more awsome I just love the concept, then Howard the Duck: I just gotta see how that goes, US Agent and Venom I don't care much about but they look like they'll be good stories.

As for the art Yu's Iron Fist and US Agent just look a little wierd, not bad but wierd.

[Dave Elliott]

I hate the new Venom.... I want my Eddie Brock...

and I want my Mac Gargon as SCORPION!


I want Howard the Duck as the new Venom!

:)

Dave

[Scavenger]

ScropiVenom, at least in Beyond!, is awesome!

[Silent Eric]

:mad: :mad: :mad: Howard and Venom on the same cover as Captain America!!!....................Damn you Marvel and your sneaky marketing powers!!!:mad: :mad: :mad:

[Jon Yeager]

"John Walker has to choose a side – the government he has always remained loyal to or the man whose legend he attempted to uphold? The answer won’t be what you think."

If USAgent isn't siding with the Government on this one, then it's simply mischaracterization. Period. And Marvel often mistakes mischaracterization for suspenseful, surprise-filled writing.

For example, the sollicitations for some of those first issues of New Avengers could have been :

"Sauron revealed! And a New Avenger makes the fatal mistake of powering him up... who is this fool? THE ANSWER WON'T BE WHAT YOU THINK."

The answer, as it turned out, was Wolverine -- the New Avenger with the MOST experience facing Sauron (courtesy of the X-Men), and the one with first-hand knowledge that Sauron drinks metahuman energy like a car drinks fuel. So what does he do when he sees him? Jumps him without thinking, of course.

Didn't see THAT coming, did you, readers? :rolleyes: What Marvel doesn't seem to realize is that there's a REASON we didn't see it coming : It makes no sense.

So USAgent rejects both sides and runs off to join Omega Flight... didn't see THAT coming either, didja? Probably because IT MAKES NO SENSE, either.

Let's take a look at who John Walker is :

1. Loves his country more than anything in the world
2. Believes in big government and its Big Brother philosophies
3. Has always been a musclehead imposing himself on his surroundings
4. Hates Captain America and always wanted to prove he was a better Captain than Rogers is

Was there ever a more clear-cut candidate to support the SRA than John Freaking Walker? What the hell is he doing in Canada?

"So you guys think it's TOO logical for Ronin to turn out to be Daredevil, huh? Fine! I'll make him a WOMAN! That's right! Ronin will turn out to be... Echo! HA! Didn't see THAT coming, did you!?"

And don't get me started on Thor siding with one-time nemesis Iron Man (technology vs magic) against Cap, who's only the one human Thor always said he would follow through Hades itself.

WHERE ARE THE EDITORS? :eek:

Jon

[Vintage]

"John Walker has to choose a side – the government he has always remained loyal to or the man whose legend he attempted to uphold? The answer won’t be what you think."

If USAgent isn't siding with the Government on this one, then it's simply mischaracterization. Period. And Marvel often mistakes mischaracterization for suspenseful, surprise-filled writing.

For example, the sollicitations for some of those first issues of New Avengers could have been :

"Sauron revealed! And a New Avenger makes the fatal mistake of powering him up... who is this fool? THE ANSWER WON'T BE WHAT YOU THINK."

The answer, as it turned out, was Wolverine -- the New Avenger with the MOST experience facing Sauron (courtesy of the X-Men), and the one with first-hand knowledge that Sauron drinks metahuman energy like a car drinks fuel. So what does he do when he sees him? Jumps him without thinking, of course.

Didn't see THAT coming, did you, readers? :rolleyes: What Marvel doesn't seem to realize is that there's a REASON we didn't see it coming : It makes no sense.

So USAgent rejects both sides and runs off to join Omega Flight... didn't see THAT coming either, didja? Probably because IT MAKES NO SENSE, either.

Let's take a look at who John Walker is :

1. Loves his country more than anything in the world
2. Believes in big government and its Big Brother philosophies
3. Has always been a musclehead imposing himself on his surroundings
4. Hates Captain America and always wanted to prove he was a better Captain than Rogers is

Was there ever a more clear-cut candidate to support the SRA than John Freaking Walker? What the hell is he doing in Canada?

"So you guys think it's TOO logical for Ronin to turn out to be Daredevil, huh? Fine! I'll make him a WOMAN! That's right! Ronin will turn out to be... Echo! HA! Didn't see THAT coming, did you!?"

And don't get me started on Thor siding with one-time nemesis Iron Man (technology vs magic) against Cap, who's only the one human Thor always said he would follow through Hades itself.

WHERE ARE THE EDITORS? :eek:

Jon
A little more gently, but basically what he said.

[khuxford]

Just a couple of points that warrant some thought:
To the poster who mentioned that this is supposed to help retailers make up for the income lost from the late shipping on "Civil War", I don't see how this will do all that much. It might help lure people who are uncertain about the Iron Fist book (since that will ship a month after this), and some die-hard Venom fans may really go for it, but the USAgent and Howard the Duck? (As I noted, Ant-Man's book will have already been in stores for weeks by the time this special ships, so that feature won't have much impact.) I don't really see retailers ordering this in levels comparable to the regular "Civil War" book (or even a sizable fraction to offset the impact of the loss of the main book's sales).

That was me...and I'm not saying it really will...but the idea that Marvel was originally going to have...what...3-5 less issues coming out in a month, at the least...is now shrunk down a bit by making them 3-5 less popular issues. There's at least some product for Marvel to sell.

That's kinda better than having nothing to sell in the place of the missing issues, from Marvel's standpoint and that of at least a few retailers out there who aren't using this as a place to attempt to diversify. That it can possibly help them launch a few of their upcoming is just gravy.

[The 'Nam]

I roll my eyes at another CW tie-in :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

It does have some top talent though - minus Guggenheim. I'll get this because it leads into two books I'm excited about - Ant-Man and Iron Fist - but seriously, Civil War is exhausting and unrewarding so far.

[Somebody]

Ah...I see...this delay gave Marvel a chance to come up with a BRAVE NEW WORLD of sorts. I think that sounds pretty good...it's just a pity they couldn't emulate the price...
Well, the fact that it apparently contains original material rather than extracts from other issues may have something to do with that.

"John Walker has to choose a side – the government he has always remained loyal to or the man whose legend he attempted to uphold? The answer won’t be what you think."

If USAgent isn't siding with the Government on this one, then it's simply mischaracterization. Period. And Marvel often mistakes mischaracterization for suspenseful, surprise-filled writing.
This the same USAgent who had his parents killed in front of him and spent a long time in therapy after his identity was leaked [to the Red Skull]?

[shoeshine]

Howard? Oh, I am so looking forward to this now.

[TF_Loki]

"John Walker has to choose a side – the government he has always remained loyal to or the man whose legend he attempted to uphold? The answer won’t be what you think."

If USAgent isn't siding with the Government on this one, then it's simply mischaracterization. Period. And Marvel often mistakes mischaracterization for suspenseful, surprise-filled writing.

So USAgent rejects both sides and runs off to join Omega Flight... didn't see THAT coming either, didja? Probably because IT MAKES NO SENSE, either.

Let's take a look at who John Walker is :

1. Loves his country more than anything in the world
2. Believes in big government and its Big Brother philosophies
3. Has always been a musclehead imposing himself on his surroundings
4. Hates Captain America and always wanted to prove he was a better Captain than Rogers is

Was there ever a more clear-cut candidate to support the SRA than John Freaking Walker? What the hell is he doing in Canada?

And don't get me started on Thor siding with one-time nemesis Iron Man (technology vs magic) against Cap, who's only the one human Thor always said he would follow through Hades itself.

WHERE ARE THE EDITORS? :eek:

Jon

Ignoring the excessive (but not entirely undeserved) NA bashing, Jon, the story isn't out yet. You're jumping on two bits of preview art. Yeah, the OF piece seems to imply USAgent but not beyond a shadow of a doubt. And maybe walker quits that identity to be the new Iron Prick (dammit, Motte's got me at it now!) when Tony dies or whatnot. Or just does a Firestar and retires.

Your point 4 isn't entirely accurate IMHO. Johnnie really wants to be Captain America. Always has done, always will. I bet it cut his heart out to quit that uniform. He was just waiting for Steve to say "No, John, you keep the uniform. You're a better Cap..." and what he got was "Gimme my threads, b*tch!"

And he's still wearing Rogers castoffs...he he.

Anyway, try not to jump the gun. If it plays out like you suggest though, I'll be right behind you on that thread going "yeah, what he said goes double for me..."

[khuxford]

Well, the fact that it apparently contains original material rather than extracts from other issues may have something to do with that.

Look...most of us aren't trying to make this a Marvel Vs. DC thing...but the stuff in the BRAVE NEW WORLD, from my experience, was all new stuff that hasn't run in the other books that have come out.

[The Marvel]

Looks great.

And I thought Mac Gargan was the Scorpion. Oh well, who cares -- Venom was way overused and burned out anyway.

[earth2tom]

It could have been even better if they would have had Steve Gerber writing the Howard story.

[DarkJared]

[QUOTE=InBetween]I'm liking what I've seen of Leinil, but not the Venom. Too big and bulkie and heavily vasculatured. If I want that I'll look at every other person drawing Venom...
QUOTE]

It could be that every other person and Yu are drawing Venom that way because that's what the character looks like. Don't you just hate the way they all draw him in that silly black suit too? Just once I wanna see someone draw Venom in say red and black and instead of being all bulky and musculated he should be all skinny and lean.... wait a sec...

I think we should be happy everyone draws Venom the same. That's how he's supposed to look. Thank you Leinil for drawing your Venom that way he's supposed to look instead of inventing a completely new looking Venom whom I would not recognize.

[JKA]

I'm really accepted about all the stories here. Epecially USagent and Antman. Really want to know about the new antman.

[paulski]

If USAgent isn't siding with the Government on this one, then it's simply mischaracterization. Period. And Marvel often mistakes mischaracterization for suspenseful, surprise-filled writing...

So USAgent rejects both sides and runs off to join Omega Flight... didn't see THAT coming either, didja? Probably because IT MAKES NO SENSE, either.

Let's take a look at who John Walker is :

1. Loves his country more than anything in the world
2. Believes in big government and its Big Brother philosophies
3. Has always been a musclehead imposing himself on his surroundings
4. Hates Captain America and always wanted to prove he was a better Captain than Rogers is

Was there ever a more clear-cut candidate to support the SRA than John Freaking Walker? What the hell is he doing in Canada?
Pretty much read my mind. I was thinking the same when I saw him (most likely) in the Omega Flight line-up.

Who knows, they may come up with a reasonable explanation for his shift in allegiances, but I'll believe it when I see it. At least they're going to show how he came to be there, so I'll give them credit for that.

But it's a pricey ask. Not as bad as their other $4 books - this one thankfully has enough pages to justify the price - but I won't be getting it. It'd be nice if it's included in the CW trade, but I don't think I'll be that lucky either. ;)

[paulski]

Well, the fact that it apparently contains original material rather than extracts from other issues may have something to do with that.
Wait... did you even read Brave New World?? Because you seem to be confused about its content. :confused:

[Jon Yeager]

Ignoring the excessive (but not entirely undeserved) NA bashing, Jon, the story isn't out yet. You're jumping on two bits of preview art. Yeah, the OF piece seems to imply USAgent but not beyond a shadow of a doubt. And maybe walker quits that identity to be the new Iron Prick (dammit, Motte's got me at it now!) when Tony dies or whatnot. Or just does a Firestar and retires.

Your point 4 isn't entirely accurate IMHO. Johnnie really wants to be Captain America. Always has done, always will. I bet it cut his heart out to quit that uniform. He was just waiting for Steve to say "No, John, you keep the uniform. You're a better Cap..." and what he got was "Gimme my threads, b*tch!"

And he's still wearing Rogers castoffs...he he.

Anyway, try not to jump the gun. If it plays out like you suggest though, I'll be right behind you on that thread going "yeah, what he said goes double for me..."

Hey Loki,

A lot of my post was tongue in cheek, but yeah, I totally agree with you that we're all essentially speculating.

But see, the reason I tend to seem a bit overconfident with my speculating is that long before issue #1 of Civil War hit the stands, I called exactly how it would play out. On RACMU as well as right here -- not to mention that Quesada flat-out denied it all... just to watch it play out exactly as he denied it would, before he stopped the presses for a re-write halfway through the series.

That said, I do agree that I layed it on pretty thick. But how can some of us NOT, when Captain *AMERICA* has, for the 4th or 5th time, turned his back on his Government? And THIS time, Marvel can't even use the excuse that he stands for AMERICANS and not their government... AMERICANS, as they are written in this story, are mostly FOR the SRA, post-Stamford. They feel so strongly about it that they put Johnny Storm in the hospital.

Who or what does Steve Rogers represent other than his own damn self, like every other superhero out there? Just call him Daredevil II, or White Panther... someone who turns his back on the USA, its government and its people as often as he does has no business wearing the flag as a costume.

So much mischaracterization... Wolverine owned by Spider-Woman in the wild jungle despite having the element of surprise on his side... jumping on Sauron first... Stark hiring Titanium Man to fake an attack on the congressional hearings (putting countless innocents at risk in the process)... lying to Peter Parker about it point blank like it's nothing, like abusing trust and lying to people is what he's always been about... Captain America practically daring the SHIELD soldiers around him to take him on when he easily could have defused the situation...

...who ARE all these people?

Once again, I ask... what has Tom Brevoort been paid to do for the past two years, other than let the Boss' buddies reprogram all these characters to suit their storylines in the short term? Watching John Walker be *anywhere* but on the Government's side here -- sticking it to these superheroes that had it too good for too long, not passing up the chance to prove that he'd make a better Captain America than Rogers ever did -- is just wrong.

Jon

[Logo Lou]

I, too, am obsessive compulsive when it comes to Howard appearances. I'm just torn because it's not the 'real' Howard. Come on Marvel, get Steve to do more issues!!!!!

Isn't the "real" Howard now Leonard the Duck anyway (see the Savage Dragon/Destroyer Duck cross-over)?

Yes, Marvel needs to let Gerber do another mini-series. Howard is better when Gerber writes him, but there have been good, albeit few, Howard tales written without him.

[KingMattress]

Pretty much read my mind. I was thinking the same when I saw him (most likely) in the Omega Flight line-up.

Who knows, they may come up with a reasonable explanation for his shift in allegiances, but I'll believe it when I see it. At least they're going to show how he came to be there, so I'll give them credit for that.

But it's a pricey ask. Not as bad as their other $4 books - this one thankfully has enough pages to justify the price - but I won't be getting it. It'd be nice if it's included in the CW trade, but I don't think I'll be that lucky either. ;)

Didn't Oeming say that the team was a cooperation between the US and Canada? So wouldn't Walker be the perfect candidate?

[JoeMaggio]

Yeah, Cap's shield wouldn't have indentions all over it and chipped on one corner.

Actually, I remember someone drawing Cap's shield with chips around the edge in a book this Summer... possibly Civil War 1? Maybe someone else knows exactly which issue it was. I attributed it to a lazy editor.

[JoeMaggio]

But a MAX series by the right team could be cool.

The first Howard the Duck MAX series kinda sucked... why does everyone think a second one would be any better?

[beta-ray]

U.S. eh-gent?

Yes? No?

Anybody?

Hoser for Hire

This looks fun. Not crazy about Agent and Fist's eyes in the cover... but the stories sound interesting and fun.

[JLAJRC]

I will buy anything with Howard the Duck in it. It also answers the question "Does animal-like creatures need to sign up?" I wish Spider-Ham was in continuity so people would go after him.

But there's two categories of superhumans Marvel seems to have forgotten in this Civil War?

Androids/Cyborgs like Deathlok and Vision.

Monsters like Blade, Ghost Rider, Morbius, etc. Can you imagine anyone trying to sign up Man-Thing?

[JKA]

That said, I do agree that I layed it on pretty thick. But how can some of us NOT, when Captain *AMERICA* has, for the 4th or 5th time, turned his back on his Government? And THIS time, Marvel can't even use the excuse that he stands for AMERICANS and not their government... AMERICANS, as they are written in this story, are mostly FOR the SRA, post-Stamford. They feel so strongly about it that they put Johnny Storm in the hospital.

Who or what does Steve Rogers represent other than his own damn self, like every other superhero out there? Just call him Daredevil II, or White Panther... someone who turns his back on the USA, its government and its people as often as he does has no business wearing the flag as a costume.

So much mischaracterization... Wolverine owned by Spider-Woman in the wild jungle despite having the element of surprise on his side... jumping on Sauron first... Stark hiring Titanium Man to fake an attack on the congressional hearings (putting countless innocents at risk in the process)... lying to Peter Parker about it point blank like it's nothing, like abusing trust and lying to people is what he's always been about... Captain America practically daring the SHIELD soldiers around him to take him on when he easily could have defused the situation...

What Cap stands for is the ideals America was built on. He fights only for the dream. That is what Marvel has stated as his reasoning behind his side.
To put it simply, Captain America said this: "I'm loyal to nothing, General.. except the Dream."

Johnny Storm is in the hospital because some idiots lashed out on him. Not the AMERICANS. Just some idiots.

Steve Rogers is a leader. People follow him.The reason he wears the flag is not because the government gave it to him. He wears it because he ireprsents the Dream. He wears it to preserve the government's ambitions, but to fight for the true American way.

[USAgent]

"John Walker has to choose a side – the government he has always remained loyal to or the man whose legend he attempted to uphold? The answer won’t be what you think."

If USAgent isn't siding with the Government on this one, then it's simply mischaracterization. Period. And Marvel often mistakes mischaracterization for suspenseful, surprise-filled writing.

For example, the sollicitations for some of those first issues of New Avengers could have been :

"Sauron revealed! And a New Avenger makes the fatal mistake of powering him up... who is this fool? THE ANSWER WON'T BE WHAT YOU THINK."

The answer, as it turned out, was Wolverine -- the New Avenger with the MOST experience facing Sauron (courtesy of the X-Men), and the one with first-hand knowledge that Sauron drinks metahuman energy like a car drinks fuel. So what does he do when he sees him? Jumps him without thinking, of course.

Didn't see THAT coming, did you, readers? :rolleyes: What Marvel doesn't seem to realize is that there's a REASON we didn't see it coming : It makes no sense.

So USAgent rejects both sides and runs off to join Omega Flight... didn't see THAT coming either, didja? Probably because IT MAKES NO SENSE, either.

Let's take a look at who John Walker is :

1. Loves his country more than anything in the world
2. Believes in big government and its Big Brother philosophies
3. Has always been a musclehead imposing himself on his surroundings
4. Hates Captain America and always wanted to prove he was a better Captain than Rogers is
Was there ever a more clear-cut candidate to support the SRA than John Freaking Walker? What the hell is he doing in Canada?
Jon

Well, first of all, I think I know Agent. I own just about every issue he's appeared in. Yup, the original Cap issues, the backstory issues, the West Coast Avengers, the lousy Alpha Flight arc from years and years ago, Force Works, the Thunderbolts, even the lousy Super Soldiers appearances from Marvel UK. Basically if he even had a cameo in it, I bought it. I like the character. Thanks, Mr. Gruenwald.
I agree with #1. Number two is wrong. USAgent is a conservative, which means (usually) that he does NOT believe in big government, and I don't know how you can make a blanket statement that he would advocate Big Brother spying. Number 3, well, yeah, I'd tend to agree with that, but #4 is way off. He does not hate Captain America. Maybe part of himself hates himself for not being able to carry the mantle, but he respects Captain America. He's accepted what role he has in the MU and the role of Captain America in the MU. He's not still trying to be better than Cap, he's accepted that they are two different kinds of heroes.

That being said, I do agree with you that John Walker, or Jack Daniels (remember the world thinks John Walker was assasinated) should be a supporter of the SRA. So I'm interested to see how they dump him up in Canada. Oh, and I came up with Captain Canada before the other guy on this thread. Or why the old Spider-Woman tagged along.

[ApacheDick]

Thanks to the WizardUniverse article about this book, Oeming has said quite clearly that John Walker is pro-Reg.

[Mervin P.]

That's US Agent, and he's a proud metrosexual.

MattB
You mean like David Beckham? Did I miss something about this metro-stuff? I thought of U.S. Agent as a straight conservativ. Or is taking the subway in the morning enough for calling him metrosexuel?:D

Howard and the super-human-registration-act: Cool, welcome back, long time no see since the Amalgam-Universe, but: He is not even human, why register him? And who will hunt him down, when he refuses to sign in: Special agent Jamie Oliver?

[stoned_camel]

Was there ever a more clear-cut candidate to support the SRA than John Freaking Walker? What the hell is he doing in Canada?

My assumption when seeing the OF preview was that USAgent got done by the government - so he ran. Not anti-governtment, doesn't beat Cap.

[Scarlet Mage]

This is a missed opportunity from Marvel, I think. It sounds like this is really just a preview to some of their upcoming titles, like Iron Fist, Ant-Man, Omega Flight, and so on... and I would totally buy it if it was $1.00 like DCs preview books... but I've decided no more $4 comics unless they're really extraordinary. Sorry, Choosing Sides.

The trouble with the DC preview book Brave New World was that you didn't even get a dollar's worth for the dollar spent. None of these features appear to be the level of crap that Freedom Fighters and Creeper were.

[mrfstr]

So USAgent rejects both sides and runs off to join Omega Flight... didn't see THAT coming either, didja? Probably because IT MAKES NO SENSE, either.

Let's take a look at who John Walker is :

1. Loves his country more than anything in the world
2. Believes in big government and its Big Brother philosophies
3. Has always been a musclehead imposing himself on his surroundings
4. Hates Captain America and always wanted to prove he was a better Captain than Rogers is
Was there ever a more clear-cut candidate to support the SRA than John Freaking Walker? What the hell is he doing in Canada?


well, USAgent (the poster) pretty much summed up how I felt in his post, I still want to address this.
#4 was true in the early days of the Agent... but haven't been true in a long, long time. He used to hate and blame Cap, but probably not since the days of Avengers West Coast.

While I agree that Walker is likely a poster boy for SRA, the Civil War has been really good about having heroes make decisions they have never been faced with and doing things they never would normally do, yet is believable in character. I was shocked when Cap pulled the fast one on Iron Man (what was it, CW #3?). So, while Walker has always been the good little soldier (yet had a problem with authority... that makes sense!) I can see a situation arising where he respects the other heroes and takes issue with what the government does to them. Kind of a "I don't mind it for myself, but it's wrong to do to everyone" kind of attitude. And, by definition, he would be against the act... much like Julia Carpenter/Arachne recently.

[vch]

Well, if there is a character which embarasses the very idea of Marvel Universe, it is Howard. Looks like he'll never be forgotten.

[Ash Talon]

Stark hiring Titanium Man to fake an attack on the congressional hearings (putting countless innocents at risk in the process)... lying to Peter Parker about it point blank like it's nothing, like abusing trust and lying to people is what he's always been about


While I agree with a lot of what you said, except for Walker hating Steve Rogers. I think others have nailed it on the head by saying that Walker wishes he could live up to the standard set by Steve Rogers.

However, Stark has lied to his friends in the past. In order to keep his identity secret, he had to lie to his closest friends and co-workers. He also defied his government and attacked armored villains and HEROES in Armor Wars (what many consider as the best IM storyline ever). He even fought Steve Rogers as the Captain in that storyline. Stark also used a machine to remove the knowledge of his secret identity from pretty much all his closest friends memories (ie, he basically invaded their minds against their wills).

While Stark is being portrayed as a crazy madman making sever kneejerk decisions in CW, not all his behavior is out of left field.

[fanboy d]

Oeming and Kolins on a U.S. Agent story? Well there's our answer to whos on Omega Flight! This one-shot sounds awesome, though! Can't wait!:)

lol...looks like the answer IS what you think.

i wouldn't have guessed tho, looked like their were only two options - maybe they shouldn't have released that omega flight teaser just yet!

[Rabbitoh]

Will the all new selfish and irredeemable Ant-Man have a flying sidekick robot from the future?

[Bevbos]

Ballsy is the word for Marvel depicting it, hardly a word for the act itself. I'm clinically depressed and attempted suicide at least once a year before being diagnosed. Suicide is not something to rgeard as heroic or to be emulated. Suicide is a coward's way out. The cliche 'a permanant answer to a temporary problem' is true. Marvel won't show people smoking so they have no business glorifying suicide either. MAYBE for the terminally ill it's an option in the real world, but in a comic universe where Spider-Woman's blood can save Black Goliath or Jean Grey has a revolving door between life and death, Brock shouldn't have been portrayed as having only suicide as a way out.

Yes, that's what I meant. I didn't mean to depict suicide itself as ballsy!!! If I conveyed that, let me express my most sincere apologies. I meant, from a writing perspective, to address Brock's Catholocism in this manner was ballsy. That's all.

[Bevbos]

you know this sounds fun but where's the terror Inc story? If people start dying in Civl war Terror should be going around with a shopping cart.


YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS this would be awesome.

[Logo Lou]

Well, if there is a character which embarasses the very idea of Marvel Universe, it is Howard. Looks like he'll never be forgotten.

I sure hope he's never forgotten! He's a great character, and part of what make the Marvel Universe great.

And, actually, a character which embarases the very idea of the Marvel Universe?

That would be Franklin Richards.

And just plain embarassing: Cable.

[RonnieThunderbolts]

OK, according to Oeming in interviews here and at Wizard USAgent is a part of Omega Flight (pretty much guaranteed) and is pro-registration. We assume its Arachne, who we know is at some point on the run, Beta Ray Bill, a new Guardian and Talisman. What about this says anti-reg heroes fleeing to Canada. I don't get that from this. Here's my take, based on them saying its about US citizens, and NOT heroes fleeing the country. They compared it to the Mexican / U.S. border. By extension, the line up makes me think its superhero border police, with USAgent an American operative, and the rest working for Canada, and Beta Ray Bill... well Oeming loves him. So, does anyone else see this as most likely? I got this from the first few interviews about it this weekend, and USAgent's confirmation and description by Oeming as strongly pro-reg, it just seems more likely.

[Scarlet Mage]

I sure hope he's never forgotten! He's a great character, and part of what make the Marvel Universe great.

And, actually, a character which embarases the very idea of the Marvel Universe?

That would be Franklin Richards.

And just plain embarassing: Cable.

HTD by Gerber and Brunner was archetypal and fantastic. HTD by Gerber and anyone else was just kinda sad. Even other writers did better working with other HTD artists. I liked Mantlo especially. Templeton worries me but I've never been a fan so Templeton always worries me. Too bad Parobek is no longer around. His art would have been perfect.

[Liliaeth]

So, so true, my friend. I think Civil War's ok, but ANNIHILATION's where it's at in the Marvel Universe.


Could anyone please explain to me what's supposed to be interesting about Annihilation?
I gave it a try due to Nova, but I haven't seen anything interesting about it yet. The miniseries were boring and the main series is just... bland.

Of course, I've never been much of a fan of the cosmic fights stuff, they tend to bore me

[Scarlet Mage]

Could anyone please explain to me what's supposed to be interesting about Annihilation?
I gave it a try due to Nova, but I haven't seen anything interesting about it yet. The miniseries were boring and the main series is just... bland.

Of course, I've never been much of a fan of the cosmic fights stuff, they tend to bore me

I will grant you that only the Nova mini was interesting. The rest were fairly disappointing and I think Annihilation #1 suffered from adding the boring parts from the others to Nova's story but I think it'll pick up speed soon. The update in cosmic characters alone has me interested still.

[roblewmac]

YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS this would be awesome.
Terror has long been a fave of mine. I even pitched a Terror vs Spider-man story that showed how tough he could be He had Dr Druid's hand the Whizzer's legs and a set of Doc Ock arms

[roblewmac]

Could anyone please explain to me what's supposed to be interesting about Annihilation?
I gave it a try due to Nova, but I haven't seen anything interesting about it yet. The miniseries were boring and the main series is just... bland.

Of course, I've never been much of a fan of the cosmic fights stuff, they tend to bore me
I thought all build up was better than the story. Nova and Starlord spewing bad war Movie lines does not do a lot for me

[Impulse725]

Actually, he reverted to the "The Captain" outfit (with a different shield) briefly before his Judge Dredd phase. And New Invaders' last issue had Cap threaten to sue him if he didn't get a costume change PDQ (apparently, Cap owns all rights to the classic Cap costume in the MU now). Clearly, he just defaulted back to his first USAgent costume. And maybe getting that shield out of the harbour he threw it into in AWC102 is why it's in such a state...


When Walker first became the USAgent, the government bought the rights from Steve for his black Captain uniform, and in exchange Steve was given the rights to the Captain America uniform. Check it out in Cap'n A 355. They don't mention the shield anywhere to the best of my knowledge, but assumably some agreement was made since Walker used Steve's vibranium shield for quite a while. Cap doesn't really seem like the suing type, but he would be within in rights. Since I never could see Walker putting on a Cap costume again, let alone wanting to be called Captain America, I'm not too particular about how they stopped it.