Outsiders: How many times dropped

[Spade]

How many times have you dropped Outsiders from your list. I dropped it twice and haven't returned yet.

[BatWolverine]

NOT EVEN ONCE!!

For a team callled the 'Outsiders' this group has sure been in the thick of things in the DCU.

Moreover, with the crap that Devin Grayson (and now Bruce Jones) have been flinging about in the 'Nightwing' title, there are but a few venues for Dick Grayson fans.

And for a closer, one word: GRACE :D

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[Caramuru]

I dropped it right after the first OYL issue.

[Defunct]

Never dropped it.

Of course, I've never actually bought an issue of Outsiders, but that's beside the point.

[Kal*el]

I dropped it right after the first OYL issue.

As did I. It had been on the edge for awhile, and that horrible issue did it for me. Although I liked his Batman run, I'm enjoying my Winick-free life right now.

[BatWolverine]

Never dropped it.

Of course, I've never actually bought an issue of Outsiders, but that's beside the point.
Oooh...someone made a funny. :rolleyes:

BW

[thefellowship12]

Haven't dropped it yet, although some of the infinite Crisis tie ins were dreadful I have generally been enjoying this title. It's not as bad as people make it out to be.

[chap22]

i'm currenty on my third drop. every time i do, something pulls me back in. the flashback to the originals tale, which blew, brought me back the first time; and kingofcities (damn you Kent!!!!!:mad: :mad: ) talked me into tracking down the first 3 OYL issues with promises of better stories, a good rendition of Dick Grayson, and Mallah/Brain/Garrick clone-y goodness. i will never forgive him for lying so badly to me. now i've dropped it again, and i just REALLY don't see myself coming back unless drastic changes in both lineup and more especially creative team are made...

[GuitarSmashley]

Issue 24. I could and I did.

[Garth Rockett]

I dropped it for the first time after the last issue. I'd thought about it on about 3 seperate occassions, but then something would happen that would be just enough to see where they were going with it.

[BatWolverine]

I dropped it for the first time after the last issue. I'd thought about it on about 3 seperate occassions, but then something would happen that would be just enough to see where they were going with it.
Whoa...wicked!! It is the same with me....but only with 'Birds of Prey'. I too finally gave up and dropped it with the last issue. :)

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[MadDog1981]

The last issue did it for me. I would never call it good since OYL but there were just enough interesting tidbits floating out there to keep me coming back every month. The extended flashback and Mallah's stupid speech at the beginning did me in though. No more for me.

[ORACofSEVEN]

NEVER. The book is constantly entertaining and engaging.
It isn't as pretentious as some other groups of titles and for the most part you are able to follow the storyline from month to month without ever having to fill in the blanks.

ORAC OUT

[Vito_A]

As of issue #38

[God-Man]

I think I dropped it once right before OYL. Then I realized I wanted to give it a chance OYL, so I picked it bck up again.

[I am MODOK]

Three times. Twice pre-OYL and then after one issue OYL.

[cncoyle]

Once. It was the second issue of the "America's Most Wanted" crossover.

[kingofcities]

i'm currenty on my third drop. every time i do, something pulls me back in. the flashback to the originals tale, which blew, brought me back the first time; and kingofcities (damn you Kent!!!!!:mad: :mad: ) talked me into tracking down the first 3 OYL issues with promises of better stories, a good rendition of Dick Grayson, and Mallah/Brain/Garrick clone-y goodness. i will never forgive him for lying so badly to me. now i've dropped it again, and i just REALLY don't see myself coming back unless drastic changes in both lineup and more especially creative team are made...

Exagerrate much? :rolleyes: :D

I gave you a review of the first issue, NOT the whole arc! I got burned too man! :(

But now I'm stuck for a minute.

I want to know Grace's secret. :o

[chap22]

Exagerrate much? :rolleyes: :D

I gave you a review of the first issue, NOT the whole arc! I got burned too man! :(

But now I'm stuck for a minute.

I want to know Grace's secret. :o
do you want me to break out the emails from after the 2nd or 3rd issue? because i'll do it, man!:p

[Venkman]

I think Grace is an Amazon.......that is just the feeling I get.

[Punchy]

I haven't, but I only started getting it with the Insiders Crossover.

[Fazhoul]

How many times have you dropped Outsiders from your list. I dropped it twice and haven't returned yet.
Just the once. And I haven't looked back.

[kingofcities]

do you want me to break out the emails from after the 2nd or 3rd issue? because i'll do it, man!:p


I liked the action issue with Jay Garrick, no question. HOWEVER, you had already signed up again before that issue hits the stands. Once you signed your life away I no longer took responsibility for this book. :D

[grphxkindaguy]

Once. It was the second issue of the "America's Most Wanted" crossover.

ditto.

IMO the book had been in a downward spiral before that, only hanging on mostly for the beautiful Tom Raney artwork.

This issue clinched it for me, realized I didn't care about it anymore... :(

[kingofcities]

I think Grace is an Amazon.......that is just the feeling I get.

I think she's from Apokolips. Like one of the Female Furies or something. Or she was supposed to be and something happened.

[chap22]

I think she's from Apokolips. Like one of the Female Furies or something. Or she was supposed to be and something happened.
i would say Grace's secret is that she sucks, but that's really no secret...:rolleyes: ;)

[Venkman]

I think she's from Apokolips. Like one of the Female Furies or something. Or she was supposed to be and something happened.

Also possible....

I think I like your idea better.

[kingofcities]

i would say Grace's secret is that she sucks, but that's really no secret...:rolleyes: ;)

My OCD compels me to find out her secret regardless of how cool she may or may not be. ;)

[kingofcities]

Also possible....

I think I like your idea better.

Her abilities fit but what made me think of it was the attitude. All of those chicks from Apokolips are crazy and mean. :eek:

[MoneyMelon]

Funny this thread has come up. My friend recently gave me the OYL issues and I've been slowly catching up on them. I got really sick of this book about a year ago, but I thought the recent ones have been pretty decent so far.

[Venkman]

I have enjoyed this book from the beginning. Sure it has had its slow points but all books do.

I also agree given Grace's charming personality she is probably a Fury or was trained to be one.

[Fazhoul]

i would say Grace's secret is that she sucks, but that's really no secret...:rolleyes: ;)
Her secret is actually how she doesn't smear her lipstick while she sucks.

[BatWolverine]

Her abilities fit but what made me think of it was the attitude. All of those chicks from Apokolips are crazy and mean. :eek:
Not to mention HORNY!! :D

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[grphxkindaguy]

I think she's from Apokolips. Like one of the Female Furies or something. Or she was supposed to be and something happened.

If that's the case, then it sounds like a rip-off of what Ostrander did w/Lashina, back in the SUICIDE SQUAD days... :mad:

[kingofcities]

If that's the case, then it sounds like a rip-off of what Ostrander did w/Lashina, back in the SUICIDE SQUAD days... :mad:


I didn't read that story so I don't know. :o

[BatWolverine]

I didn't read that story so I don't know. :o
Ditto!!

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[JustAnothaSucka]

STILL supporting!!!!!!!

[Venkman]

If that's the case, then it sounds like a rip-off of what Ostrander did w/Lashina, back in the SUICIDE SQUAD days... :mad:


I read it.

It could be considered a rip-off in the fact that both are from Apokolips.

However Lashina was temporary. She had lost her memory. And became the Duchess. Then everything returned and She kidnapped a bunch of people to take back with her.

I get the feeling that IF Grace is from Apokolips then she has not be there for a long a while. Maybe she escaped or was rescued when she was young.

[grphxkindaguy]

I didn't read that story so I don't know. :o

Suicide Squad was bar none, one of the best team books of the 80's IMO. That and Justice League International, which they had a cross-over with, once...

do yourselves a favor and track down the SS run on eBay, you WON'T be dissapointed!!!

[kingofcities]

I get the feeling that IF Grace is from Apokolips then she has not be there for a long a while. Maybe she escaped or was rescued when she was young.

That's more the angle I was thinking.

[kingofcities]

Suicide Squad was bar none, one of the best team books of the 80's IMO. That and Justice League International, which they had a cross-over with, once...

do yourselves a favor and track down the SS run on eBay, you WON'T be dissapointed!!!


I've read random issues (including the JLI crossover you mentioned). Enough to know it was a good book. I just never bought it regularly for some reason. I'd love to own them all though. I wish they'd start a trade set!

[cncoyle]

If that's the case, then it sounds like a rip-off of what Ostrander did w/Lashina, back in the SUICIDE SQUAD days... :mad:I won't let you make accusations of Winnick ripping off previous stories. Look at what he did with Jocasta, I mean Indigo! Okay, um... what about Morph--dagnabbit, I mean Shift!

Well, there's always the battle between Superman and Captain Marvel in "Lightning Strikes"! Captain Marvel using Shazam's lightning to hurt Superman has never--wha? In Kingdom Come? He even mentions it in the story's credits?

Um... let me get back to you.

[grphxkindaguy]

I read it.

It could be considered a rip-off in the fact that both are from Apokolips.

However Lashina was temporary. She had lost her memory. And became the Duchess. Then everything returned and She kidnapped a bunch of people to take back with her.

I get the feeling that IF Grace is from Apokolips then she has not be there for a long a while. Maybe she escaped or was rescued when she was young.

I always got the impression that Lashina/Duchess was faking the memory loss, waiting for an opportunity to get transported home...

[Ranadiel]

Dropped with OYL. Really don't miss it.

[UnknownEric]

I dropped it twice. Once after the Insiders crossover and once just before OYL. Both times because I realized I was spending $2.99 a month on a book I didn't give a rat's ass about.

[NM Condition]

None. I didn't start buying it!...

[MadDog1981]

I have a question for the longer time readers. I started OYL and I feel like I haven't gotten to know any of the characters during the first several issues. Has it always been this weak on character development?

[BigDamnHero]

I held on with this book for far too long.
I've only dropped it once, and that was recently (ish).
The day that they decided it was a good idea to have Dick Grayson, Nightwing condone the use of torture to get the info that they needed out of a prisoner.
No matter how good it might get from here on out, that single moment has ruined the book.
Winnik is a capable writer, it's just that he sucks on this series.


Just my Opinion
You May Disagree
(and I Support That)
PEACE

[chap22]

I have a question for the longer time readers. I started OYL and I feel like I haven't gotten to know any of the characters during the first several issues. Has it always been this weak on character development?
is Winick writing it? then your answer is a resounding YES.

[chap22]

I won't let you make accusations of Winnick ripping off previous stories. Look at what he did with Jocasta, I mean Indigo! Okay, um... what about Morph--dagnabbit, I mean Shift!

Well, there's always the battle between Superman and Captain Marvel in "Lightning Strikes"! Captain Marvel using Shazam's lightning to hurt Superman has never--wha? In Kingdom Come? He even mentions it in the story's credits?

Um... let me get back to you.
ah, well done, clone. thanks for beating me to the punch.

[TF_Loki]

I always got the impression that Lashina/Duchess was faking the memory loss, waiting for an opportunity to get transported home...

Yeah, same here. Once Bronze Tiger had called her on it and she just smirked you knew she'd been working it. Her stuff as Duchess has to be her finest hour ever. Which is why I cry whenever she shows up now because she's written so poorly...

[Venkman]

Yeah, same here. Once Bronze Tiger had called her on it and she just smirked you knew she'd been working it. Her stuff as Duchess has to be her finest hour ever. Which is why I cry whenever she shows up now because she's written so poorly...


You guys are right I remember the Bronze Tiger thing. It has been so long since I read those books.

I personally would love to see some trades

[jza1218]

I dropped it during the John Walsh issues and picked it up when I saw Batman on the cover.

[MadDog1981]

I also noticed that every month my reaction to seeing Boomerang Jr. was "oh yeah, he's on the team too." I also couldn't tell you what any character has actually done other than Nightwing telling off Superman and Black Thunder's daughter sleeping with the dictator.

[Michael Hawk]

I only picked it up after OYL and then dropped it. Not a bad book, but not great either and I don't care for Grace.

[Fazhoul]

I also noticed that every month my reaction to seeing Boomerang Jr. was "oh yeah, he's on the team too." I also couldn't tell you what any character has actually done other than Nightwing telling off Superman and Black Thunder's daughter sleeping with the dictator.
I know I've been trying to repress the memories of the series but didn't they somehow insinuate that she didn't actually sleep with him?

[shifty]

I bought issues #1-23 from Yoni, read them all in one sitting, and really enjoyed them. I bought the Insiders issues but didn't add the book to my pull list. I officially jumped on with OYL. It's slow and thin, yes, but I really like the characters. I do wish Captain Boomerang was more than window dressing, though.

[Fazhoul]

I won't let you make accusations of Winnick ripping off previous stories. Look at what he did with Jocasta, I mean Indigo! Okay, um... what about Morph--dagnabbit, I mean Shift!

Well, there's always the battle between Superman and Captain Marvel in "Lightning Strikes"! Captain Marvel using Shazam's lightning to hurt Superman has never--wha? In Kingdom Come? He even mentions it in the story's credits?

Um... let me get back to you.
Don't forget Knockout of the Secret Six. She was introduced in Superboy #2 and then it was revealed a while later that she was from Apokolips.

[MadDog1981]

I know I've been trying to repress the memories of the series but didn't they somehow insinuate that she didn't actually sleep with him?

Metamorpho posed as her later on so the dictator might've slept with him. I think that was right before they stranded him on the island.

[Storminator]

I was onboard for that entire Crisis arc, and for a guy who knew little about most of those characters I still know very little about most of those characters. I did learn one thing: me + Winnick = no go.

[Thunderstorm]

I dropped it when they did the Batman crossover with Katana. I tend to look for jumping off points more than jumping on points in comics though.

[BatWolverine]

Metamorpho posed as her later on so the dictator might've slept with him. I think that was right before they stranded him on the island.
Nope...neither of them. Its all in the GAS babey!! :D

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[Herowatcher]

Dropped it before IC and haven't bought an issue since.

I'd rather see...

- Captain Atom
- Nightshade
- The Question
- Tarantula II
- Amazing Man II (alive via "New" Earth)
- Mary Marvel
- Peacemaker I

[ORACofSEVEN]

Dropped it before IC and haven't bought an issue since.

I'd rather see...

- Captain Atom
- Nightshade
- The Question
- Tarantula II
- Amazing Man II (alive via "New" Earth)
- Mary Marvel
- Peacemaker I

Ah a Charlton fan are we? over half your choices are from Charlton comics- all that is missing is Judomaster and Thunderbolt

overall, I am continually entertained from this comic and really fail to see what the hostilty toward Winnick is with some people. What i really like about his writing is that he doesn't "blow his wad" on all the characters right away. There is a feelingl that there are continually going to be more and more storylines for these characters without the plots drying up as the case has happened over in the X-men and happened in The New Teen Titans after a while. (and even in the Barr version of this title) this bodes well for the long term readership. where being patient with a long term writer on a team book can pay off in spades
(Levitz/Legion ;Wolfman/Perez/Titans)


ORAC OUT

[wingnut69]

"I won't let you make accusations of Winnick ripping off previous stories. Look at what he did with Jocasta, I mean Indigo! Okay, um... what about Morph--dagnabbit, I mean Shift!

Well, there's always the battle between Superman and Captain Marvel in "Lightning Strikes"! Captain Marvel using Shazam's lightning to hurt Superman has never--wha? In Kingdom Come? He even mentions it in the story's credits?

Um... let me get back to you."

Yeah, no ones ever had had a team member turn on their team mates before! And Captain Marvel with the lightning? Using an offensive ability against an opponent? Yeesh, next thing Winick will have Green Lantern using his power ring to form a giant fist, or Batman throwing a batarang at someone, insane! As for Shift and Morph, I'll have to decline to comment as I'm not sure what's going on with Shift. I haven't dropped the book but have purchased the entire run of TPB's up to issue 33. I actually got this series because of the under the hood storyline and the first thunder book. Based on these I tracked down Outsiders and Green Arrow and have yet to be disappointed by Winick. Are some issues below standard? Yes. But overall the books are great.

[paulski]

Once did the trick for me, after #20. The art just went to the shi<i></i>tter. :(

[Morocco_Mole]

I dropped it twice and haven't returned yet.

I don't get it. How do you drop it twice and not return? Did you drop it, come back from the future and drop it even earlier?:confused:

I know, I know...you haven't returned yet this time.

Honestly, it's kind of teetering right now, but I haven't dropped it yet. I get the impression it's building towards something, and I want to see what.