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MattBrady

07-27-2006, 10:31 AM

<img src="http://www.newsarama.com/marvelnew/Daredevil/87/DD87.jpg" border="0" align="right">So - Daredevil #87 hit this week, and at least one mystery is solved, that is, who’s been running around as Daredevil while Matt Murdock has been in jail.

So who is it?

Well, safe to say, when an article is called “Spoiler Sport” – there are going to be a few

SPOILERS AHEAD

Seriously – spoilers ho.

Stop reading unless you want to know what happened in the issue – and seriously – we talk about the fake DD thing, and the major revelation at the end of the issue as well.

You can leave now, we’ll wait.

Okay – they’re all gone…so we can talk freely.

With issue #87, Iron Fist was revealed to be Daredevil.

Picture writer Ed Brubaker giving one big sigh of relief.

“Yes, I'm relieved, but at the same time, it was always the plan to reveal it this issue, and it was never meant to be as big a deal as it ended up being,” Brubaker said. “It was just one part of a much larger story, one that the next arc follows up on. This whole ‘who's the other DD’ mystery that cropped up the last few weeks and ran around the Internet was unplanned, and I thought it was really amusing to watch, though a little nerve-wracking at the same time. I'm just glad it wasn't the only secret we were sitting on.”

<img src="http://www.newsarama.com/marvelnew/Daredevil/87/DD87_01.jpg" border="0" align="left">As holding on to revelations such as this has become something of a job in and of itself, given the number of people both inside and outside comic book publishers that are looking to reveal insider information for their own self-gratifying reasons, Brubaker said he was surprised that the identity of the imposter Daredevil lasted as long as it did.

“Clearly too many knew. I remember hearing that an artist on some Civil War tie-in book - I think it was Cable and Deadpool was at Heroes Con telling fans that it was Iron Fist under the mask, and I was like, why does this guy even know that? And if he knows, why doesn't he know it's a secret? So, yeah, I wish that more folks could've steered a bit more clear of it than they did, but I also appreciate that being included in stuff is part of the game, and I know no one was doing anything on purpose. I also really appreciate the great lengths Marvel went to to keep readers as confused as possible with each leak. There were so many rumors and theories floating around the net the last few weeks, that I think even people who knew were starting to be confused. And I thank David Gabriel and Jim McCann for that.”

It was Gabriel and McCann (Marvel’s VP Sales, Publishing and Asst. Manager of Sales Communication, respectively) who mobilized when it was realized that the “blacked out” portions of the script in the Director’s Cut edition of Civil War #1 weren’t “blacked out” enough. As a result, Marvel inadvertently published a comic with the revelation in it. Quick action was needed, and at certain hotspots where the Director’s Cut reveal was being discussed, confusion was sown – reports of “variant” editions of the issue were reported, with the reveal being Hawkeye, or other characters.

<img src="http://www.newsarama.com/marvelnew/Daredevil/87/DD87_02.jpg" border="0" align="right"> “You know, I wasn’t thrilled when that happened, but I didn't flip out about it,” Brubaker said. “It was brought to my attention early, and I asked what the deal was, and they told me, and then they guys at Marvel went above and beyond the call, and scrambled around to confuse it as well as they could. There was nothing malicious about that, it was just a flub. And honestly, all the attention that generated online was astounding. We had more buzz for this new issue than I could have ever hoped for. I'm already hearing about stores selling out around town here, so hopefully that's a national phenomenon.”

Being at the center of the mystery, the identity was never in question for Brubaker, obviously, but at the same time, he felt that it was pretty obvious. “C'mon -- Heroes for Hire... Hello? Plus, he was at Foggy's funeral with Luke and Jessica. Every clue was right there for people, same with the other big secret revealed this issue, there were clues laid right there on the page, plain as day.”

<img src="http://www.newsarama.com/marvelnew/Daredevil/87/DD87_03.jpg" border="0" align="left">And no, there’s been no switcheroo a la Monarch in DC’s Armageddon 2001 a few years back (reportedly, too many people figured out who the villain was, so his identity was changed, resulting in a fizzle of an ending) – Iron Fist was always meant to be the guy who was under the mask.

“It was always Iron Fist,” Brubaker said. “It was in the pitch. Like I said, I'm an Iron Fist fan. I'm probably one of twelve people who thinks Essential Iron Fist really is essential.”

Something that, looking back, suggested that it was Iron Fist under the mask was the utter lack of appearances elsewhere in the Marvel Universe for the past several months, something which Brubaker and the Daredevil editorial team orchestrated.

“And thank god that worked out. Though the only place they were going to use him, I think was Civil War, and they just used DD instead. So that was easy. It's not all that difficult to have people stay away from using Iron Fist, anyway. Though it's going to be harder soon, if I have anything to say about it. This is just the first step in Danny Rand's rise to power!”

And just to be clear, Danny Rand’s business, that is, “Heroes for Hire,” played a major role in why he was doing what he was doing. That is, he wasn’t posing as Daredevil out of the goodness of his heart. “He was hired, but he only took the gig because he thought it was Foggy hiring him through another lawyer. But also, he's a friend of Matt's, and he felt for him, so he was pitching in, as well. So, it was a bit of both. But it wasn't his idea, someone hired him. We don't know exactly who yet, though, just who their intermediary was.”

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That intermediary was one Alton Lennox, a mystery man who has now become the center of Matt Murdock’s investigation into who’s been toying with him for the past months to years of his life. With issue #87 though, Murdock has taken a more active role in his destiny, escaping from Rykers (with the help of the Punisher) confronting this “other” Daredevil, and…well, finding a bigger mystery.

“Matt’s still being led around, but now he's like a puppet climbing up the strings to see who's hand that is. It's going to be a hell of a wild ride to get there, too.”

And as for Senator Engel and the FBI Director who’ve been manipulating things for a while now, and were responsible for putting Murdock in Rykers with a swath of notorious criminals (Rykers’ Warden Cole publicly blamed the FBI for the riot and resultant deaths at the prison)…?

<img src="http://www.newsarama.com/marvelnew/Daredevil/87/DD87_06.jpg" border="0" align="right"> “The Senator's not involved, he's just bringing down the hammer on the Director for all the terrible PR this riot at Rykers generated,” Brubaker explained. “The FBI Director is the only one being left out to dry, and his story isn't over yet. But he just got a little too smug and sure of his position, I think. He's taking it out on Matt, who he does have the legal right to go after, but he pushed it over the line, by putting him in Rykers, and now he's going to pay the price for that miscalculation - because there are other people with their hands in here, who we haven't seen yet. Like Alton Lennox, or maybe the person he works for.”

As for Murdock, issue #87 left off with him headed to Monaco – the last known location of Alton Lennox…or should he be called “Alton Lennox?” Is this Lennox fellow even a real person?

“Matt doesn't know it for sure, but he is,” Brubaker said. “Lennox is just the next link in the chain,
and Matt's only lead. But it's not going to be easy to find him, or find his answers. Hell, it better not be, right? I'm hoping for Matt to put on a Daredevil costume and jump around and hit people to get the answers, obviously.”

As far as the mystery of who Lennox (and whoever’s behind him) is, Brubaker said the answer isn’t as obvious as Iron Fist being the fake Daredevil, but there are clues.

“Lennox is no one we've yet to meet, but there are clues. There are always clues. I don't think there's been one single stray line of dialog or narration in this book so far that doesn't do something. Even Dakota had a line at the end of the second issue about Foggy's stabbing that a few people are now remembering.”

<img src="http://www.newsarama.com/marvelnew/Daredevil/87/DD87_07.jpg" border="0" align="left">Oh – and for the long-time Daredevil fans…yeah, Brubaker wears his “I’m a nerd for DD” short proudly, as was evidenced by Matt Murdock using the false id/passport of “Mike Murdock” to flee the country. “Mike Murdock” – Matt’s sighted twin brother was a guise Matt hastily adopted back in issue #25 (1967) after Spider-Man accidentally revealed DD’s identity to Foggy Nelson and Karen Page.

“Ha! Yeah, Mike Murdock,” Brubaker chuckled. “Obviously, I can't have Matt in disguise as his
own twin brother and get away with it, but to get out of the country, with dyed hair and fake contacts that look like he can see? Sure. I'm a Gene Colan fanboy, plain and simple, and Gene made the joke that Mike Murdock was something great. So, yeah, that was a little nod to the old time fans. I had Matt in prison for five straight issues; they deserved a nod, at the least.”

As if the revelation of the fake DD’s identity and the return of “Mike Murdock” wasn’t enough, the last page of the issue held the biggest shocker of all: Foggy Nelson, alive, and being placed in protective custody.

Yeah.

Brubaker (not to mention Marvel Editor in Chief Joe Quesada) took a load of heat for what many fans saw as the capricious decision to kill Foggy earlier in the storyline. But, the writer said, it was worth it. “It was really hard to keep the readers in the dark on that one, and play the bad guy, but I think it really helped them see through Matt's eyes, as it were, to understand why he went over the edge.”

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Heck, nearly everyone was so sold on the idea that Foggy was dead, that when the solicitation for issue #88 hit, with a story entitled, “The Secret Life of Foggy Nelson,” no one put it all together, and the most common train of thought for many DD fans was that the issue would reveal hidden, shameful secrets of Foggy’s. In other words, Brubaker killed Foggy, and then was digging him up to kill him again.

“Oh, come on - the clues were all right there, though. Matt's last narrative in #82 was, ‘His heart is still beating,’ and Dakota said he was stable in the ambulance. Danny even tells Matt this issue that he saw Lennox talking to a Fed at some point.

“So now we've got Matt out there, not realizing Foggy's still alive, looking for revenge on his killers. Pretty good set-up, huh?”

And it all starts to spill over next month in #88, when Brubaker is joined by fill-in artist David Aja.

“David Aja is this fantastic artist from Spain, who's stepping in to help out with this issue, so we can get ahead on the schedule, and he's been doing a great job. So great, that Warren Simons and I picked him to be the artist for the book that Matt Fraction and I are doing this November, The Immortal Iron Fist. Which is a bit of a follow-up to Danny Rand's appearances in DD, as well as me finally getting my hands on one of my other favorite Marvel characters and getting a chance to really explore his history, and the history of the Iron Fist idea. I think we're really going to shock some people with this stuff. And David is going to knock it out of the park. I just got his first cover and it's dynamite.”

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GNR4Life

07-27-2006, 10:36 AM

Immortal Iron Fist!!!!!!

Bevbos

07-27-2006, 10:42 AM

Whoa, is The Immortal Iron Fist going to be an ongoing? I could totally dig on that.

pez dispenser

07-27-2006, 10:46 AM

Damn, I wish more comic books were half as good as DD has been for the last few years.
And the scary thing is, it's just getting better.

shady878

07-27-2006, 10:47 AM

I cant wait to read this when it comes out on TPB!

Bird Flu Man

07-27-2006, 10:52 AM

I'm one of the guys who's vocal about his feelings when he doesn't like what Marvel is doing. I think putting Bendis on two Avengers titles was stupid and I stay far, far away from anything written by Hudlin.

But I must give credit where credit it due. Brubaker is a phenomenal writer. His stories are extremely well-planned, fresh, and exciting while respectful of the past (though I'm still not sold on his depiction of Black Tarantula). For once I'm glad that Marvel has put one man on so many titles.

Rednax310

07-27-2006, 10:53 AM

So in Civil War 3, when the "Secret Avengers" are sitting in the cafe going over their new IDs, that was Danny as DD?

gwangung

07-27-2006, 10:53 AM

Given the genre and real world happenings, that Foggy twist is damn logical, and utterly blindsiding. Wow.

SpyGuy

07-27-2006, 10:55 AM

“David Aja is this fantastic artist from Spain, who's stepping in to help out with this issue, so we can get ahead on the schedule, and he's been doing a great job. So great, that Warren Simons and I picked him to be the artist for the book that Matt Fraction and I are doing this November, The Immortal Iron Fist. Which is a bit of a follow-up to Danny Rand's appearances in DD, as well as me finally getting my hands on one of my other favorite Marvel characters and getting a chance to really explore his history, and the history of the Iron Fist idea. I think we're really going to shock some people with this stuff. And David is going to knock it out of the park. I just got his first cover and it's dynamite.”

THE IMMORTAL IRON FIST? I'm so there. Details please.

justice~!

07-27-2006, 10:55 AM

"Clearly too many knew. I remember hearing that an artist on some Civil War tie-in book - I think it was Cable and Deadpool was at Heroes Con telling fans that it was Iron Fist under the mask, and I was like, why does this guy even know that? And if he knows, why doesn't he know it's a secret?"

I would assume the artist knew since he was told to draw the tie-in that hinted *very* strongly at it being Iron Fist? Don't these guys talk at all? =)

http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=135068
(look for "Do I really need spoiler tags at this point?")

BubbaKanoosh

07-27-2006, 10:55 AM

I'm so glad its iron fist..
And even more glad it isnt Hawkeye...

Iron Fist is like a walking tekken/street figher/mortal combat character.

FINISH HIM!!!!

MattBrady

07-27-2006, 10:57 AM

So in Civil War 3, when the "Secret Avengers" are sitting in the cafe going over their new IDs, that was Danny as DD? apparently with a wig, as was mentioned at a panel at SDCC, as they were all in disguise.

Matt

juliop83

07-27-2006, 10:58 AM

Thank you ED for turning me on to DD. My 1st DD book was his 1st DD book . And since that day I've been buying nothing but DD books. And Iron Fist does need his proper recognition. I hope he's in the new Heroes for Hire.

Ragnarokker

07-27-2006, 10:59 AM

Iron Fist and Daredevil on a road trip to fight a bunch of ninjas? ... I guess that's pretty cool.

Rednax310

07-27-2006, 11:01 AM

How long was Bendis on DD for? Is his run collected in Trades? I might start getting Daredevil, but I'd like to play a little catch up first.

NeoGundamX

07-27-2006, 11:04 AM

I loved that issue. I flipped through it at the comic book store so I am going to wait for it in trade paperback. I love how Bendis made a Luke Cage a wonderful character again, so I hope Brubaker can do the same thing for Iron Fist. I guess I am Iron Fist fan #13 because I have always been a fan. Bring back the real Heroes for Hire, even if just for a mini series.

K_Mang67

07-27-2006, 11:06 AM

Am I the only one feeling ripped-off?

Iron Fist?!! Come on, who give a %&$#!?! We were all led to believe that it was Clint "Hawkeye" Barton. What a let down.

<img
<img src="http://www.newsarama.com/marvelnew/Daredevil/87/DD87_03.jpg" border="0" align="left">And no, there’s been no switcheroo a la Monarch in DC’s Armageddon 2001 a few years back (reportedly, too many people figured out who the villain was, so his identity was changed, resulting in a fizzle of an ending) – Iron Fist was always meant to be the guy who was under the mask.

It's a little convenient that this little nugget was mentioned here. This happens to be exactly what I think Marvel just did. Everyone figured out that it was Hawkeye, so they switched it to Iron Fist.

On a much brighter note, Nice touch with Foggy!

sean phillips

07-27-2006, 11:09 AM

Ed, get off the internet and write me some more Criminal!

Sean

K'un Lun Kid

07-27-2006, 11:12 AM

An Iron Fist project?

In the hands of a talented writer?

I haven't been this excited to see IF in a book since he popped up for three issues of Priest's run of Black Panther.

After the inexcusable hackery that was the Mullaney/Lau (mini)series, and seeing him surprisingly marginalized during the Luke Cage/Jessica Jones wedding, I'm honestly jazzed about this.

And, yeah, I'm one of the other 11 people that think that "Essential Iron Fist" is absolutely "essential."

BubbaKanoosh

07-27-2006, 11:13 AM

Am I the only one feeling ripped-off?

Iron Fist?!! Come on, who give a %&$#!?! We were all led to believe that it was Clint "Hawkeye" Barton. What a let down.

!

No we werent.

Fanboys made up that rumour.

Hawkeye and DD have no relation to each other at all. There would be no reason for him to do so, that would be logical except pleasing fanboys.

GNR4Life

07-27-2006, 11:16 AM

Am I the only one feeling ripped-off?

Iron Fist?!! Come on, who give a %&$#!?! We were all led to believe that it was Clint "Hawkeye" Barton. What a let down.

It's a little convenient that this little nugget was mentioned here. This happens to be exactly what I think Marvel just did. Everyone figured out that it was Hawkeye, so they switched it to Iron Fist.

On a much brighter note, Nice touch with Foggy!

Bru even said in that interview it was Iron FIst from the beginning.Makes sense since it's one of his fav characters.:confused:

I am MODOK

07-27-2006, 11:19 AM

I would like to point out that I called the Foggy thing from the start! :)

Mr Wesley

07-27-2006, 11:20 AM

I wonder if maybe Bru leaked that "Immortal Iron Fist" bit accidently on purpose? That's the kind of thing I would expect to be announced at WW Chicago.

protege

07-27-2006, 11:20 AM

So in Civil War 3, when the "Secret Avengers" are sitting in the cafe going over their new IDs, that was Danny as DD?
I thought so too, but now i'm thniking it's DD as "Mike Murdock". Still not much of a disguise, if you ask me...

protonik

07-27-2006, 11:21 AM

Guess I will be buying the trade and picking up the next issue of DD.

protege

07-27-2006, 11:21 AM

Johnny Triangles

07-27-2006, 11:23 AM

the most common train of thought for many DD fans was that the issue would reveal hidden, shameful secrets of Foggy’s. In other words, Brubaker killed Foggy, and then was digging him up to kill him again. 

people have been reading too much crappy identity crisis! i too thought he was going to be "sue dibnied" :D

VocalMan81

07-27-2006, 11:27 AM

How are Iron Fist and DD "related?"

Personal history. Both street-level NYC heroes, DD in Hell's Kitchen and IF based there through H4H.

TheWildCard

07-27-2006, 11:28 AM

More Brubaker! Iron Fist! Immortal!

I'm pumped for that but that leads to the bigger question...

Where the hell is Hawkeye?

gwangung

07-27-2006, 11:29 AM

How are Iron Fist and DD "related?"

DD has hired Luke Cage before. Who's in business with Luke Cage?

KyleCowstar

07-27-2006, 11:30 AM

Iron Fist rules...I could buy an ongoing.

dushty

07-27-2006, 11:32 AM

This is great news. My favourite writer writing my favourite character (Iron Fist). Can't wait.

Violent Gorilla

07-27-2006, 11:54 AM

Am I the only one feeling ripped-off?

Iron Fist?!! Come on, who give a %&$#!?! We were all led to believe that it was Clint "Hawkeye" Barton. What a let down.

It's a little convenient that this little nugget was mentioned here. This happens to be exactly what I think Marvel just did. Everyone figured out that it was Hawkeye, so they switched it to Iron Fist.

On a much brighter note, Nice touch with Foggy!

There was NEVER any substance to that rumor. It was a fanboy creation plain and simple.

Scarlet Mage

07-27-2006, 11:55 AM

Damn. I have to read Daredevil again now, something I haven't done in over ten years but it's my own fault. I picked up the issue out of curiosity about the fake DD and now it's going on my pull list.

Something else: I was a Power Man and Iron Fist reader back when they folded the two books together instead of just canceling them. Why not do that today? I challenge Marvel to take the next two series they have to cancel and merging them to see how it goes. If nothing else it would be fun.

johnny99

07-27-2006, 11:56 AM

Am I the only one feeling ripped-off?

Iron Fist?!! Come on, who give a %&$#!?! We were all led to believe that it was Clint "Hawkeye" Barton. What a let down.

Yeah, I think you're the only one. Iron Fist was always my first guess for the mystery DD. Luke Cage and Iron Fist have had a 20+ year history with Daredevil. The Hawkeye rumor made no sense--there is absolutely no reason for Hawkeye to be involved in a Daredevil storyline.

Good job, Bru. For the record, I too called the Foggy thing. Never-the-less, well played.

OcCaM

07-27-2006, 11:58 AM

Heh so Rich Johnston did do some nice investigative reporting last week and called it right. Marvel was definately trying to cover their tracks with the Director's cut of Civil War that leaked the Iron Fist secret.

Anyway, I feel bad that I've yet to try Brubaker seeing as everyone always raves about him. You'd think even being a wait for trader I'd have had an opportunity by now. But, not really.

Hate Cap. won't buy Blandamerica comics. Oh ok I'll give the Union Jack arc a chance when it hits tpb. And the Xmen Deadly Genesis HC I did pre-order but has yet to be shipped. And I'm waiting for Fantastic Four books of Doom to actually be released in tpb. And I have no interest in a Tan drawn Xmen when it hits tpb/hc's. And DD? Not a big fan!

But, FINALLY Brubaker is going to be on something I can try now! I hope Iron Fist is not a mini-series but I'll be buying it either way! And it will be the first Marvel I haven't waited on for tpb since the Dan Slott GLA mini-series way back when.

So, how much screen time does Rand get in the first DD arc? Sell it to me fanboys so that I might continue buying DD afterwards should I get hooked. It could always use another sell right? :D

(And to think Brubaker was trying to use DD as a springboard to get people to give Iron Fist a try. With me it will turn out to be the opposite. Heh!)

Now Marvel you need to update that Essential Iron Fist into colour tpb's when the Brubaker series sells like hotcakes. Plus, add in all later appearances. Ok ignore the last two crappy mini-series.

Oh and Power Man Iron First tpb's already!!!!! Early Christopher Priest goodness!

tbumpkins

07-27-2006, 11:59 AM

Definitely playing catch-up now with Bru's DD. Started liking what I was hearing with all the Rykers stuff and now Iron Fist as fake DD!

Count me in on the IF love as Essential Iron Fist is one of my favorite Essentials (along with Defenders and Super Villain Team-up) Cannot wait for Immortal IF Bru, hope you show once and for all that Danny Rand is Marvels #1 kung fu hustler. You know, over that Shang Chi fella ;)

farwell3d

07-27-2006, 12:04 PM

Ed, get off the internet and write me some more Criminal!

Sean

OOH. I can't wait for Criminal.

(Yeah, okay, so I was a Sleeper fan boy. It is all Ed's fault. He had the money back offer... and he mailed me a box of comics once... and... Oh, and the book was amazing.)

Bird Flu Man

07-27-2006, 12:04 PM

Something else: I was a Power Man and Iron Fist reader back when they folded the two books together instead of just canceling them. Why not do that today? I challenge Marvel to take the next two series they have to cancel and merging them to see how it goes. If nothing else it would be fun.

Agent X + Soldier X = Cable & Deadpool

Bird Flu Man

07-27-2006, 12:06 PM

And it will be the first Marvel I haven't waited on for tpb since the Dan Slott GLA mini-series way back when.

Last year?

farwell3d

07-27-2006, 12:07 PM

Ace

07-27-2006, 12:07 PM

I don't think there's been one single stray line of dialog or narration in this book so far that doesn't do something.[/B] Even Dakota had a line at the end of the second issue about Foggy's stabbing that a few people are now remembering.”

I don't know if Bru realizes it (though he likely does), but that's why this run is so amazingly good. There's no wasted motion. It's so well put together.

Stressfactor

07-27-2006, 12:14 PM

Intersting that they are coming clean on all fronts.... i.e. admitting that Marvel staffers started a dis-information campaign. Rich Johnston's got another feather in his cap... and possibly another reason for someone to kill him for real instead of in a comic book.

(Just kidding. I'm a 'Gutter' addict.)

David_T

07-27-2006, 12:15 PM

Damn you, Joe Quasada! You just ruined the whole "Hawkeye as DD" surprise because you couldn't keep from making your little "devil of a time" bit. Damn you!

...

What? Iron Fist? Really? Waddya know...

Dougie02

07-27-2006, 12:19 PM

Am I the only one feeling ripped-off?

Iron Fist?!! Come on, who give a %&$#!?! We were all led to believe that it was Clint "Hawkeye" Barton. What a let down.

It's a little convenient that this little nugget was mentioned here. This happens to be exactly what I think Marvel just did. Everyone figured out that it was Hawkeye, so they switched it to Iron Fist.

On a much brighter note, Nice touch with Foggy!

Actually, a ton of people care about Iron Fist. Way to contribuite to the discussion.

johnny99

07-27-2006, 12:27 PM

How are Iron Fist and DD "related?"

Luke Cage and Iron Fist have been having run-ins with Daredevil for over twenty years. At one point (during Frank Miller's run, I believe), the two were hired to protect Matt Murdock (before knowing that he was DD). Thus, you can see the appropriateness of Bru's choice.

Luke and, to a lesser extent, Danny were supporting players throughout all of Bendis' run on DD, too.

It's a perfect logical connection and certainly provides a more satisfying story element than "oh, it was Hawkeye."

AnthonyL

07-27-2006, 12:28 PM

Something that, looking back, suggested that it was Iron Fist under the mask was the utter lack of appearances elsewhere in the Marvel Universe for the past several months, something which Brubaker and the Daredevil editorial team orchestrated.

I saw Iron Fist in Daughters of the Dragon, so I figured he was too busy catching up with old flames to be Daredevil.

This was good. Refreshing to be suprised in this day and age in comics.

Anthony L

tiso_spencer

07-27-2006, 12:32 PM

Why do other books try coming out? Daredevil each month is all you need to read. Iron Fist rise to power is at hand.

BillReed

07-27-2006, 12:38 PM

Hahahah. Neat.

I love the sound effect on that preview page. "ssssSWORD!" Hee.

Twigglet

07-27-2006, 12:48 PM

My favorite writer.

On one of my favrotie characters!

Hell yeah!

Mike Thompson

07-27-2006, 12:51 PM

Brubaker is one of comics' best writers. I look forward to a lengthy run on DD.

protege

07-27-2006, 12:54 PM

[QUOTE=Scarlet Mage]Damn. I have to read Daredevil again now, something I haven't done in over ten years but it's my own fault. I picked up the issue out of curiosity about the fake DD and now it's going on my pull list.

Something else: I was a Power Man and Iron Fist reader back when they folded the two books together instead of just canceling them. Why not do that today? I challenge Marvel to take the next two series they have to cancel and merging them to see how it goes. If nothing else it would be fun.[/QUOTE
How would you merge Thunderbolts, and Cable and Deadpool? Granted, they're both written by the same guy, but...

protege

07-27-2006, 12:56 PM

Jon Yeager

07-27-2006, 01:00 PM

There was NEVER any substance to that rumor. It was a fanboy creation plain and simple.

I'm with the guys who think Hawkeye would have made no sense as DD (he's NOT a martial artist of anykind... he couldn't even take down USAgent in West Coast Avengers in a fist fight... he's an archer. Period.)

That said, "fanboy creation" is also wrong. Joe Quesada went out of his way to fuel the Hawkeye red herring.

Just like he fueled the "dead is dead", "no more mutants" and "no right side" red herrings. ;)

Jon

Book of GOB

07-27-2006, 01:09 PM

Am I the only one feeling ripped-off?

Pretty much, yeah...

Iron Fist?!! Come on, who give a %&$#!?! We were all led to believe that it was Clint "Hawkeye" Barton. What a let down.

I've been reading DAREDEVIL for the past 5 years and Iron Fist is the ONLY character that makes sense. He's been an actual supporting character in the book. He knows Matt, and as a trained martial artist, he could imitate Matt's moves better than anyone else this side of Echo.

Everyone figured out that it was Hawkeye, so they switched it to Iron Fist.

Everyone that "figured out" it was Hawkeye fell for Joe Quesada's smoke screen...

On a much brighter note, Nice touch with Foggy!

Agreed.

Keep up the great job, Bru! You've managed to somehow make my favorite book better. Can't wait for the New Reign of Iron Fist you have planned.

SpyGuy

07-27-2006, 01:11 PM

How would you merge Thunderbolts, and Cable and Deadpool? Granted, they're both written by the same guy, but...

Um...Have Cable and Deadpool join the Thunderbolts? Of course, Cable's back with the X-Men these days, but hey, if Wolverine can be on two teams at once...

Drachon

07-27-2006, 01:17 PM

Since according to Matt, the person impersonating him (Iron Fist) doesn't use a billy club, who is helping to rescue Luke Cage in Avengers? That DD is definitely using a billy club.

PaulCrocker

07-27-2006, 01:19 PM

My secret power is picking Eisner worthy books. You heard it here first. "The Devil in Cell Block D" will get a nomination for Best Serialized Story and be a part of the Best Continuing Series nomination.

Rich L

07-27-2006, 01:29 PM

I wonder if maybe Bru leaked that "Immortal Iron Fist" bit accidently on purpose? That's the kind of thing I would expect to be announced at WW Chicago.

Ed also said this in his address to readers at the back of DD#87, so I doubt this is an 'accidental' slip.

Great issue; between DD, Cap and X-Men, Brubaker is writing three of Marvel's best ongoings right now.

Apocrypha

07-27-2006, 01:31 PM

I really wish you (Ed) had actually killed Foggy. Matt can do without Foggy. And besides why is it only the women in Matt's life always seem to be killed? Here's a guy (Foggy) that's been with Matt always...what better way for an enemy to piss DD/Matt off than to kill his best friend?

When I first read the Death of Foggy issue I was thinking "Oh, man, that is bold. I like it. Not much like this seems to happen in comics these days." There's always a clawback of some shocking event so that it never really happened. It's such a ripoff. :) Even though the clues were there early on, I really wanted to believe Foggy had been killed. Too good to be true I guess.

JohnnyZemo

07-27-2006, 01:54 PM

I'm with the guys who think Hawkeye would have made no sense as DD (he's NOT a martial artist of any kind... he's an archer. Period.)

I could believe Clint Barton as DD, at least for a short period of time. He's not a martial artist, but he has been trained in hand-to-hand combat by Captain America. And he was only fighting street-level thugs, not supervillains. The average thug wouldn't know it wasn't the real DD.

People who say there's no reason for Hawkeye to show up in a Daredevil book don't know their Marvel history.

Hawkeye and Daredevil have known each other for a long time. Don't forget they both dated the Black Widow! It would have been easy for her to say, "Hey Clint, I need a favor. Would you mind impersonating Daredevil for awhile?"

Peter Price

07-27-2006, 01:54 PM

No we werent.

Fanboys made up that rumour.

Hawkeye and DD have no relation to each other at all. There would be no reason for him to do so, that would be logical except pleasing fanboys.

Yep the only type of connection is that both characters slept with the Black Widow. That was the only thing that led me to believe it could be Hawkeye.

Jon Yeager

07-27-2006, 02:00 PM

Hawkeye and Daredevil have known each other for a long time. Don't forget they both dated the Black Widow! It would have been easy for her to say, "Hey Clint, I need a favor. Would you mind impersonating Daredevil for awhile?"

Touché.

That said, I still wouldn't have bought Clint performing all those moves we've seen DD do in all those CW crossover issues across numerous titles, though.

Jon

TheGeneral

07-27-2006, 02:01 PM

Am I the only one feeling ripped-off?

Iron Fist?!! Come on, who give a %&$#!?! We were all led to believe that it was Clint "Hawkeye" Barton. What a let down.

It's a little convenient that this little nugget was mentioned here. This happens to be exactly what I think Marvel just did. Everyone figured out that it was Hawkeye, so they switched it to Iron Fist.

On a much brighter note, Nice touch with Foggy!

Sorry dude, but the clues were there all along. Sorry you were rooting for Hawkeye, but alot of us had it pinned for Iron Fist.

jmp

07-27-2006, 02:21 PM

The first time that I remember anyone speculating that FakeDD was Hawkeye is when CW # 1 came out and there was the scene of DD with a playful smile while rolling a coin over his knuckles. Some people felt that was not like Iron Fist, but was like Clint. Also, Fake DD's dialogue in CW # 3 felt more like Barton than IF to others.

So yes, Danny Rand was the obvious choice to be the other DD, but I think Marvel intentionally made it confusing.

Also, pet peeve of mine, it's rather lame when someone writes things like "no one figured Foggy was still alive" Thats just not true. I and a few others here figured Nelson didn't bite the dust with the clues that Ed planted.

Anyway, I think this is one of the tighest, most enjoyable arcs that I've read in a while. Great work, EB!

mvranas

07-27-2006, 02:23 PM

“It was always Iron Fist,” Brubaker said. “It was in the pitch. Like I said, I'm an Iron Fist fan. I'm probably one of twelve people who thinks Essential Iron Fist really is essential.”

Interesting that Bru mentions Essential Iron Fist. I've been re-reading it lately - great, early John Byrne art - and came across a neat tidbit (don't have it in front of me, but here's the gist):

The opening scene of one of the later issues (#12 or 13, I believe) Iron Fist is shown jumping headfirst off a building and proceeds to swing/flip/summersault down from balconies, flagpoles and fire escapes. Below, Matt Murdock is walking with a female companion (can't remember her name; Diane? Debbie?) who looks up and states that the figure looks similar to Daredevil. Matt, thinking to himself, finds it amusing since it can't be Daredevil.

I wonder if this is where Bru took his inspiration for the IF as DD subplot?

Oh, and really looking forward to Immortal Iron Fist!

-M.

protege

07-27-2006, 02:23 PM

Um...Have Cable and Deadpool join the Thunderbolts? Of course, Cable's back with the X-Men these days, but hey, if Wolverine can be on two teams at once...
Well, I'd read it- i might even be able to put up with deadpool...

protege

07-27-2006, 02:25 PM

John Cord

07-27-2006, 02:27 PM

Brubaker is a great writer. It has been a lot of fun seeing him do justice to the 'street level' heroes of the Marvel U. I haven't had so much fun reading about Captain America or DD in quite a while. And now he's getting Iron Fist as well? Yahoo.

HowAreWeToLive

07-27-2006, 02:33 PM

Where does Rich Johnston come in and tell us "told ya?"

;)

Something tells me I might be picking the trades up.

K_Mang67

07-27-2006, 02:34 PM

There was NEVER any substance to that rumor. It was a fanboy creation plain and simple.

That's not true.

Quesada in at least one recent Joe Friday when asked about the return of Hawkeye said, 'Clint's having a hell of a time.'

In retrospect it would be easy to say that Joe Q. was just playing-up to the so-called "fanboys" when he made that statement, but I believe there is more to it than that.

As far as connections go, I'll admit there is more of a connection between D.D. and Iron Fist than D.D. and Hawkeye. That said, Matt and Danny's connection was third party at best through their mutual freind Luke Cage.

Don't get me wrong guys, I like Iron Fist. Claremont and Byrne's run on I.F. back in the mid '70's remains one of my favorites of all time.

Tom Daylight

07-27-2006, 02:57 PM

I was convinced it was Nick Fury. I thought that would be an awesome idea, for him to be hiding in plain sight like that.

Ah well, I enjoyed this story anyway. I did have a feeling that Foggy wasn't really dead (helped by the suggestion that Joe Quesada always wanted him killed off, which I had difficulty believing), but it was still a surprise. The Punisher's role in the book was exciting from start to finish. Brubaker wrote him well; Ryker's was like a vacation for Frank.

Tom Daylight

07-27-2006, 02:58 PM

That's not true.

Quesada in at least one recent Joe Friday when asked about the return of Hawkeye said, 'Clint's having a hell of a time.'

Actually, he said "devil of a time". :)

Oh, misdirection. They had me... but I'm always glad to be surprised.

magellan

07-27-2006, 03:05 PM

Rhyo

07-27-2006, 03:18 PM

I could believe Clint Barton as DD, at least for a short period of time. He's not a martial artist, but he has been trained in hand-to-hand combat by Captain America. And he was only fighting street-level thugs, not supervillains. The average thug wouldn't know it wasn't the real DD.

People who say there's no reason for Hawkeye to show up in a Daredevil book don't know their Marvel history.

Hawkeye and Daredevil have known each other for a long time. Don't forget they both dated the Black Widow! It would have been easy for her to say, "Hey Clint, I need a favor. Would you mind impersonating Daredevil for awhile?"

Or, conversely, they don't interpret the history the same way you do. The one interaction between Hawkeye and Daredevil that I remember is the two of them fighting over Natasha (and Natasha being irritated by both of them), something like 400 issues of Avengers ago. That's it. Not exactly a friendly exchange.

Bendis was, I believe (don't hit me, motteditor), trying to show that Clint Barton was annoyed/angry/unhappy with the superhero life at the end of House of M. Why would he take up a different superhero identity when he seems to have rejected his own? Because his former girlfriend asked him to help her former boyfriend? Seems unlikely at best.

Plus, it would have been a bad move for the overall Daredevil title to bring in someone with absolutely NO tie to the title when there were other candidates who DO have history with Daredevil.

jmp

07-27-2006, 03:22 PM

But then I read Bendis' New Avengers, the Luke Cage spotlight issue? It didn't sit right for me to read the reveal, and then immediately afterwards have Cage not recognize his best friend. . . maybe its because I read them one right after the other, or that they came out in the same week, but was there some problem with editorial? Or did I read it wrong?

They don't give it away, but Danny as DD and Cage have a playful exchange when the Secret Avengers come to help him out. At least I read it as playful. With the issues coming out the same week, it wouldn't have been right to actually have a reveal in this issue, so I thought it was handled well.

artjunkie

07-27-2006, 03:24 PM

I knew Foggy wasn't dead!!! Just knew it. And who didn't already guess that it was Danny Rand, even before the rumors? Can't wait to get caught up on my trades.

Drcharles

07-27-2006, 04:28 PM

Danny Rand played DareDevil and who guessed correctly, I certainly didn't, this type of storyline in comics is tremendous, a sheer pleasure to be a part of.
I thought it was an old villain from DDs past, so I was way off the mark ! GREAT it was fun to guess anyway.

DareDevil surey must be considered to be one of the best books on the market, come on, tell anyone not reading this fabulous bk to get on board, it really would be great to see DD somewhere in the top 20 sellers, its a title that deserves it............

I'm just recovering from the news about Iron Fist, and haven't read all of the post on the Rama,

Jeff-2

07-27-2006, 04:47 PM

I have not read Daredevil since Kevin Smith's run. Is that Dakota the Dakota North from the '80s series?

Ed Brubaker

07-27-2006, 05:13 PM

Guys -- I can only take the credit or blame for what actually happens in DD, not in CW or NA. I probably didn't tell Brian about the billy club thing. It's Iron Fist in NA, as is obvious from the way he and Cage tease each other.

And Iron Fist has been a pal of Matt's since Miller's run on the book, at least.

ZEBULON

07-27-2006, 05:19 PM

Wow, I bet all the marvel haters who chewed out quesada over the whole hell of a time thing must feel like real idiots. you'd think they'd man up and apologize or something but I guess theres a reason their called fanboys.

great job bru, I've never been prouder. I was telling all my marvel hating friends about dd way back when mack was doing art, and they kept dissing it. Now they feel stupid, and have gone back to buy all the trades of bendis, amazing run.

Stan lee was right. quesada is the best thing to happen to marvel in years, and their current writers are the best in comics in a long time.

Ed Brubaker

07-27-2006, 05:21 PM

Yeah, that Joe Q comment came because too many people were guessing it was Danny, so Joe was steering people away to keep the secret longer.

Jed Saxon

07-27-2006, 05:23 PM

Duh. Some spoiler warning would've been nice. :rolleyes:

Heh. I liked that slipping of spoiler 1 so that nobody would figure out spoiler 2. Well played, clerks. Never saw that coming. :)

And also with the "secret life of Foggy". How were we supposed to find out when Nomad (The lonesome Death...) got some similar issue after he got whacked? ;)

Before Brubaker/Lark started their run I said that it would take 2 issues to outshine even the excellent Bendis/Maleev run. I like it to be in the right. :)

Everyone figured out that it was Hawkeye

Yeah. Whenever there is a mystery character it just has to be Hawkeye just because fanboys cannot let go.

Ronin/Bubble Guy from New Avengers? It HAS to be Hawkeye!
Swordsman from Thunderbolts? HAS to be Hawkeye!
Daredevil? HAWKEYE!!!

It's as amusing as it's annoying. :D

scorpion mk

07-27-2006, 05:26 PM

I'm so glad its iron fist..
And even more glad it isnt Hawkeye...

Iron Fist is like a walking tekken/street figher/mortal combat character.

FINISH HIM!!!!

mortal KOMBAT with a K fool never talk about mk when i'm around i'll show you up 3 ways from tuesday the scorpion in my name is not for mac gargan it's for hanzo hasashi (scorpions name before he died for newbies)

yeah i'm a dork

i had to buy two isse of this book because this first one has drool all over it

THE IMMORTAL IRON FIST is already on my pull list can't wait 'til november

i love marvel right now there giving all the coolest characters ongoings right now first moon knight, then ghost rider, blade, now iron fist MAKE MINE MARVEL FOR ETERNITY!

p.s. i am so gonna make iron fist in mortal kombat armageddon's kreate a kombatant when it comes out :D :D :D :D :D

MattBrady

07-27-2006, 05:28 PM

It's as amusing as it's annoying. :D you would say that...HAWKEYE!

MattB

Spirto

07-27-2006, 05:53 PM

Im a huge Iron Fist fan and I had it right when I thought DD2 was Iron Fist! WOOHOO!
(check out www.comicboards.com/daredevil if you don't believe me)

DD2 being Hawkeye just never made sense. He's probably got his own problems right now. Danny and Matt have been friends forever! And not just through Luke Cage.

I am so looking forward to Immortal Iron Fist.

Oh, and I own Essential Iron Fist as well.

And plan on getting the Bowen Statue when that comes out too!

MikeM

K_Mang67

07-27-2006, 06:07 PM

I have not read Daredevil since Kevin Smith's run. Is that Dakota the Dakota North from the '80s series?

Yes it is.

K_Mang67

07-27-2006, 06:17 PM

Yeah, that Joe Q comment came because too many people were guessing it was Danny, so Joe was steering people away to keep the secret longer.

Ed, before I begin I just want to say that what you've done so far on D.D. [and especially Captain America] is blowing me away. You've even achieved the disinguished honor of cracking K-Mang's Top 10 List:

Top 10 Writers

1. Warren Ellis
2. Alan Moore
3. Keith Giffen
4. Mark Millar
5. Garth Ennis
6. Bill Willingham
7. Kurt Busiek
8. Ed Brubaker
9. Robert Kirkman
10. Geoff Johns

Now having said that, what a let down! $#%@% Iron Fist!?! I haven't felt so deceived and bamboozled since Ronin turned out to be Echo [in some sort of man-suit?] and not Matt Murdock!!

Pull something like that again and you won't be passing Busiek or Willingham any time soon, and you can forget about ever reaching Moore or Ellis.

Livewire2nd

07-27-2006, 06:45 PM

Heck, nearly everyone was so sold on the idea that Foggy was dead, that when the solicitation for issue #88 hit, with a story entitled, “The Secret Life of Foggy Nelson,” no one put it all together, and the most common train of thought for many DD fans was that the issue would reveal hidden, shameful secrets of Foggy’s. In other words, Brubaker killed Foggy, and then was digging him up to kill him again.

Well I saw alot of people call this from the Start.including myself, not for one sec did I think that foggy was dead and the cover to 8 was a pretty big giveaway in and of itself.
I'm a big fan of not giving away the end of a story, it's why I don't make spoiler threads.

sonofbuzzo

07-27-2006, 07:06 PM

It felt to me that the 'Who's fake Daredevil' storyline helped distract people's attention from Foggy's death. We all just accepted it as the truth while trying to figure out the other mystery.

I believed it from the get-go. Foggy was dead - period.

I loved this run, and I really didn't think I would because I never thought I could love it like I loved Bendis' DD. Thanks!

sidewinder

07-27-2006, 07:19 PM

Now having said that, what a let down! $#%@% Iron Fist!?! I haven't felt so deceived and bamboozled since Ronin turned out to be Echo [in some sort of man-suit?] and not Matt Murdock!!

What do you have against Iron Fist? I like Hawkeye as much as the next guy, but you have to admit that Danny Rand, an actual friend and supporting cast member, makes a whole lot more sense than Hawkeye. I haven't seen one reasonable explanation as to why it would be Clint. Because Natasha asked him? Hasn't he been killed and resurrected consecutively? I think he's got his own ____ to deal with. Whereas Iron Fist, friend and hero for hire, would gladly take a job to help protect the identity of his buddy (and get paid).

Plus, Danny Rand is the ____ and deserves to have Brubaker write him!

Excellent story, though. Brubaker continues to put out phenomenal work.

Biyu

07-27-2006, 07:44 PM

Damn. I was hoping for the second Daredevil to be Ben Affleck.:(

TattooedOni

07-27-2006, 07:53 PM

innocentboy

07-27-2006, 08:03 PM

woah, this article is ____ing dope
serious. makes me like Bru's Daredevil 10x more

Doombug

07-27-2006, 08:40 PM

Or, conversely, they don't interpret the history the same way you do. The one interaction between Hawkeye and Daredevil that I remember is the two of them fighting over Natasha (and Natasha being irritated by both of them), something like 400 issues of Avengers ago. That's it. Not exactly a friendly exchange.

Bendis was, I believe (don't hit me, motteditor), trying to show that Clint Barton was annoyed/angry/unhappy with the superhero life at the end of House of M. Why would he take up a different superhero identity when he seems to have rejected his own? Because his former girlfriend asked him to help her former boyfriend? Seems unlikely at best.

But for the record and I'm sure I can put this in a nicer way than Moot. Clint has nowhere else to go. He wouldn't quit the super hero life because he wasn't trying to kill his best friend in the first place.

He just needed some time off. If you look at that panel in the 7th issue, he intentionally missed anything vital on Wanda. He wasn't going to kill his best friend.

He's probably just taking a break and training to make sure nothing like what happened with Wanda happens again, or he's going after Mephisto for stealing Bobbi's soul.

Besides, I heard he's the other one coming back. We have Thor, Clint will probably help train the kids/join whatever team cap makes. :)

Please excuse my rant, I do read Daredevil, just sort of annoyed that as usual, my theory was wrong.

doralice

07-27-2006, 09:04 PM

Edited: Question answered!

Spartan

07-27-2006, 09:56 PM

I'm with the guys who think Hawkeye would have made no sense as DD (he's NOT a martial artist of anykind... he couldn't even take down USAgent in West Coast Avengers in a fist fight... he's an archer. Period.)

That said, "fanboy creation" is also wrong. Joe Quesada went out of his way to fuel the Hawkeye red herring.

Just like he fueled the "dead is dead", "no more mutants" and "no right side" red herrings. ;)

Jon

Try telling THAT to the guys who were obsessed with Hawkeye. :rolleyes:

"But he's an OLYMPIC athlete, trained by Captain America! He could punch the moon out of the sky if he wanted to! It couldn't be Iron Fist, he's not the body type (-ie- must be fat or something because I don't know who that is), and he's already appeared briefly in an issue of an unrelated series!"

Seriously...just because someone can win gold by riding a bike or shooting a bow does NOT make them a master martial artist by default. He was probably trained by Captain America to shoot an apple off his head.

beta-ray

07-27-2006, 09:57 PM

More Brubaker! Iron Fist! Immortal!

I'm pumped for that but that leads to the bigger question...

Where the hell is Hawkeye?

He's actually posing as Squirrel Girl.

Spartan

07-27-2006, 09:57 PM

Question for Mr. Brubaker, in case he reads this:

1. Is there a reason why Daredevil records his daily journal on an iPod? I mean, will that information be tied to something else in the future or is this supposed to be just a random bit of "trivia" about the character?

It was stated in the issue that he made and dropped the reports off for his contact, Alton Lennox -- the man who supposedly hired him (and therefore probably expected a bit of professionalism).

Spartan

07-27-2006, 09:58 PM

Please excuse my rant, I do read Daredevil, just sort of annoyed that as usual, my theory was wrong.

*ahem*....sorry, I can't keep it in....I TOLD YOU SO!!! HA!! :p :)

beta-ray

07-27-2006, 09:59 PM

Yeah. Whenever there is a mystery character it just has to be Hawkeye just because fanboys cannot let go.

Ronin/Bubble Guy from New Avengers? It HAS to be Hawkeye!
Swordsman from Thunderbolts? HAS to be Hawkeye!
Daredevil? HAWKEYE!!!

It's as amusing as it's annoying. :D

Not a Hawkeye fanboy, though I do like the character...

... and I did think he was the swordsman. Oh well.

doralice

07-27-2006, 10:44 PM

It was stated in the issue that he made and dropped the reports off for his contact, Alton Lennox -- the man who supposedly hired him (and therefore probably expected a bit of professionalism).
Thank you. I only read pages and wasn't sure why Danny had the iPod.

FAN BOY

07-27-2006, 11:05 PM

The whole Marvel scandel about who the Daredevil is has dragged out way to long. Thank god it was Iron Fist rather then Foggy Nelson/Stan Lee...................

Stalzer2002

07-28-2006, 12:49 AM

Originally Posted by Jed Saxon
Yeah. Whenever there is a mystery character it just has to be Hawkeye just because fanboys cannot let go.

Ronin/Bubble Guy from New Avengers? It HAS to be Hawkeye!
Swordsman from Thunderbolts? HAS to be Hawkeye!
Daredevil? HAWKEYE!!!

It's as amusing as it's annoying.

heh. Don't forget Mockingbird from Villains United. You know there was somebody out there who said:

"Instead of dying in Avengers: Disassembled, he was transported to the DCU, where he took the name of his dead wife and tried to reform a bunch of villains like the Thunderbolts."

Drcharles

07-28-2006, 03:58 AM

I've just finished reading the rest of the new piece, and now the revelation that Foggy Nelsn isn't dead.......:) Never doubted that he had been killed for one minute, he really is just too important of a character to get the axe!
Unlike poor Karen Page...... ( Raw Deal there ), now who was responisble for that death I wonder ?
Would it really be possible for the Great Ed BruBaker to work his magic and bring her ( Miss K. Page ) back to the world of Marvels ?
Hey,
If Bucky can reappear after 60 yrs then surely..........................?

I call NOW, for Karen Page to be Brought back.

I suppose I want a return to how DD used to be, I would love to see old villains return
Death Stalker, Yeah I know hes dead but,
Copper Head same again Hes' dead but I remember The Great Bob Browns art on these issues and I really long for a return...:(
Matador, Man Bull, jester,Chemeleon and Torpedo and of course.....
Purple man, One Of My Favourites, Hey I wonder if he has got something to do with whats currently going on ?

I can always live in hope.

Now I haven't read all of the posts here, but I seem to remember being told that it was Hawkeye that had been acting has DD, damn that would have been pretty good if it had been true !
Pity.

I have to say one last thing Its great to see Ed BruBaker posting I really can't believe it !.:)

Punchy

07-28-2006, 04:09 AM

Matt Fraction?

On Iron Fist?

With Brubaker?

Oh YES!

Lucky Luke

07-28-2006, 09:49 AM

How long was Bendis on DD for? Is his run collected in Trades? I might start getting Daredevil, but I'd like to play a little catch up first.

Almost the entire Vol.2. is collected in trades. It goes like this:

Daredevil: Vol.1. Guardian Devil, by Kevin Smith, collects issues #1-8.
Daredevil: Vol.2. Parts Of A Hole, by David Mack, collects issues #9-15.
Daredevil: Vol.3. Wake Up, by Brian Michael Bendis, collects issues #16-19.
Daredevil: Vol.4. Underboss, by Brian Michael Bendis, collects issues #26-31.
Daredevil: Vol.5. Out, by Brian Michael Bendis, collects issues #32-40.
Daredevil: Vol.6. Lowlife, by Brian Michael Bendis, collects issues #41-45.
Daredevil: Vol.7. Hardcore, by Brian Michael Bendis, collects issues #46-50.
Daredevil: Vol.8. Echo - Vision Quest, by David Mack, collects issues #51-55.
Daredevil: Vol.9. King of Hell's Kitchen, by Brian Michael Bendis, collects issues #56-60.
Daredevil: Vol.10. The Widow, by Brian Michael Bendis, collects issues #61-65.
Daredevil: Vol.11. Golden Age, by Brian Michael Bendis, collects issues #66-70.
Daredevil: Vol.12. Decalogue, by Brian Michael Bendis, collects issues #71-75.
Daredevil: Vol.13. The Murdock Papers, by Brian Michael Bendis, collects issues #76-81.

The Kevin Smith issues were also collected in a trade called Daredevil Visionaries: Kevin Smith. The only issues that were never reprinted are the ones from the Bob Gale run from DD #20-25.
I suggest getting the entire trade collection. Smith placed the foundation on which Mack, Bendis and Brubaker built their great runs. This is the best DD since Frank Miller. :)

Jeff Tiley

07-28-2006, 10:53 AM

Well done Ed Brubaker and Marvel for managing to keep the lid on 2 great twists!

I thought it was Iron Fist but after all the mis direction that was put about I had my doubts as to who it was and was annoyed that Joe Q could have given it away so casually in Joe Fridays the other week. Lets hope we see Hawkeye back elsewhere over the next few months.

As to Foggy, what a great piece of sleight of hand writing by Ed! I was convinced he was dead and was surprised that it had been sanctioned by the powers that be. Although he is only a supporting character I still thought he was somebody that they would never have the nerve to kill off.

A great 1st arc on what is undoubtedly Marvels top title by Marvels top writer.

To anybody waiting for the trades, I urge you to pick the monthly up as you are missing out big time!

RDFozz

07-28-2006, 05:44 PM

Interesting that Bru mentions Essential Iron Fist. I've been re-reading it lately - great, early John Byrne art - and came across a neat tidbit (don't have it in front of me, but here's the gist):

The opening scene of one of the later issues (#12 or 13, I believe) Iron Fist is shown jumping headfirst off a building and proceeds to swing/flip/summersault down from balconies, flagpoles and fire escapes. Below, Matt Murdock is walking with a female companion (can't remember her name; Diane? Debbie?) who looks up and states that the figure looks similar to Daredevil. Matt, thinking to himself, finds it amusing since it can't be Daredevil.

Given the time frame, that's probably Heather Glenn.

You know, Matt's original murdered girlfriend.

Yeah, I know, I'm old.

Desides

07-28-2006, 06:22 PM

Bring back the real Heroes for Hire, even if just for a mini series.

Guess you haven't heard. Heroes for Hire is coming back as a monthly. First it'll tie-in to Civil War, then continue on afterwards. Think Punisher: War Journal.

And it has Black Cat.

Lizard Man

07-29-2006, 07:05 AM

And the Master of Kung Fu.

EmeraldGuy32

07-29-2006, 08:27 AM

never, EVER doubt the Bru!

RDFozz

07-29-2006, 11:00 PM

Guess you haven't heard. Heroes for Hire is coming back as a monthly. First it'll tie-in to Civil War, then continue on afterwards. Think Punisher: War Journal.

And it has Black Cat.

But it doesn't have Cage or Danny; and the original poster did say the real Heroes for Hire.

protege

07-30-2006, 12:32 AM

RichJohnston

07-30-2006, 03:52 PM

Where does Rich Johnston come in and tell us "told ya?"

;)

Something tells me I might be picking the trades up.

Hello there.

RichJohnston

07-30-2006, 03:53 PM

bluebird

07-30-2006, 05:27 PM

That's not true.

Quesada in at least one recent Joe Friday when asked about the return of Hawkeye said, 'Clint's having a hell of a time.'.

No, he said DEVIL of a time. So, presuming he wasn't just lying, that means Clint's either in hell or he found Devil Dinosaur frozen in a block of ice, and those two will be among the characters in the new MIGHTY AVENGERS (Cho did say there'd be dinosaurs!)

Young Vision

07-30-2006, 06:21 PM

Almost the entire Vol.2. is collected in trades. It goes like this:

Daredevil: Vol.1. Guardian Devil, by Kevin Smith, collects issues #1-8.
Daredevil: Vol.2. Parts Of A Hole, by David Mack, collects issues #9-15.
Daredevil: Vol.3. Wake Up, by Brian Michael Bendis, collects issues #16-19.
Daredevil: Vol.4. Underboss, by Brian Michael Bendis, collects issues #26-31.
Daredevil: Vol.5. Out, by Brian Michael Bendis, collects issues #32-40.
Daredevil: Vol.6. Lowlife, by Brian Michael Bendis, collects issues #41-45.
Daredevil: Vol.7. Hardcore, by Brian Michael Bendis, collects issues #46-50.
Daredevil: Vol.8. Echo - Vision Quest, by David Mack, collects issues #51-55.
Daredevil: Vol.9. King of Hell's Kitchen, by Brian Michael Bendis, collects issues #56-60.
Daredevil: Vol.10. The Widow, by Brian Michael Bendis, collects issues #61-65.
Daredevil: Vol.11. Golden Age, by Brian Michael Bendis, collects issues #66-70.
Daredevil: Vol.12. Decalogue, by Brian Michael Bendis, collects issues #71-75.
Daredevil: Vol.13. The Murdock Papers, by Brian Michael Bendis, collects issues #76-81.

The Kevin Smith issues were also collected in a trade called Daredevil Visionaries: Kevin Smith. The only issues that were never reprinted are the ones from the Bob Gale run from DD #20-25.
I suggest getting the entire trade collection. Smith placed the foundation on which Mack, Bendis and Brubaker built their great runs. This is the best DD since Frank Miller. :)
Actually, I would suggest not getting Vol.3 or 8 as they don't even feature Daredevil(Vol.3 is a Ben Urich story and Vol.8 is a Echo story, he's a guest in his own book.)

They don't add anything to the overall storyarc of the Marvel Knights Daredevil run which is more or less the downward spiral of Matt Murdock from Karen Page's death, to his public outing, ascending to Kingpin of New York, and ending with him in prison.

Lucky Luke

07-30-2006, 06:38 PM

Actually, I would suggest not getting Vol.3 or 8 as they don't even feature Daredevil(Vol.3 is a Ben Urich story and Vol.8 is a Echo story, he's a guest in his own book.)

They don't add anything to the overall storyarc of the Marvel Knights Daredevil run which is more or less the downward spiral of Matt Murdock from Karen Page's death, to his public outing, ascending to Kingpin of New York, and ending with him in prison.
True, those stories don't add much to the overall storyline, but I would recommend them nonetheless, since they're a great read in their own right. Fleshing out of Ben Urich and Echo was done great.