View Full Version : Morrisons Filth Good or Bad
lynchian
04-04-2006, 10:16 PM
i have this series and i started to read the first few issues a long time ago and was wondering if it is worth reading.
I've heard both good and bad things so i decided to create a poll.
YOUR VOTES DECIDE WHAT I DO TOMMORROW DURING MY TRIG CLASS
GuitarSmashley
04-04-2006, 10:47 PM
I attempted reading the first issue and second about two years ago and it was god awful.
Zig Zag Wanderer
04-04-2006, 10:52 PM
I think it's a far cry from his best work.
The art's pretty good, though.
EnergonIsYum
04-04-2006, 10:54 PM
It's OK. Not as straightforward as his superhero stuff and not as dense and impenetrable as stuff like the Invisibles. I liked the art at least.
bawker
04-04-2006, 10:55 PM
I thought it was okay..certainly not the seminal work in Morrison's rep, though.
I'd still give it a read, though...half ass from GM is better than some comix people firing on all cylinders. :p
I'm sure you've probably read it already, but give "The Invisibles" a try if you haven't. That's the shiz, IMO. :)
Darth Presley
04-04-2006, 10:58 PM
It's no Invisibles, Vol 1, that's for sure.
It's not even Vimanarama.
I liked it better than Mystery Play, though.
tralfaz
04-04-2006, 11:02 PM
just to put it out there, when I was talking with phil jimenez he mentioned that he heard that Grant would be writing another Invisibles and he would be the artist... of course, Grant hasnt told Phil this yet. :D
bawker
04-04-2006, 11:04 PM
Originally posted by tralfaz
just to put it out there, when I was talking with phil jimenez he mentioned that he heard that Grant would be writing another Invisibles and he would be the artist... of course, Grant hasnt told Phil this yet. :D
:eek:
RED SHIFT
04-04-2006, 11:11 PM
It's a great freakish sci-fi, secret agent comic, one of my favourite Morrison books! Total mind f*ck of a read. I had to re-read a few issues because it was just totaly bizarre.
Dragavon
04-04-2006, 11:21 PM
Confusing as hell is all I can say about it.
Allen Jaco
04-04-2006, 11:23 PM
Bad. Sometimes Morrison needs an editor to save him from himself.
David Bird
04-04-2006, 11:34 PM
Had to go with 'bad'. I read an interview with Morrison and he thinks its an important work (out of his body of writing), but I can't see why.
lynchian
04-04-2006, 11:35 PM
Thanks to all for the advice.
I wil probably read it tommorrow anyway cause no matter how bad it might be, it is certainly better than trig.
render man
04-05-2006, 12:14 PM
It gets better later in the series. Start reading it at issue 4 and it's not a bad story.
bigmentalross
04-05-2006, 01:19 PM
I can understand why people would be put off by not "getting it" or whatever.
The stories are all pretty enjoyable though, so it's definitely worth reading, at least once.
I am MODOK
04-05-2006, 01:21 PM
I didn't care for it and actually gave the comic away to a friend.
genetic freak
04-05-2006, 02:18 PM
I'm not dissing anyone or being pretentious when I say this so apologies if I offend anybody.
My opinion on this is I simply cannot fault anybody if the work went over their heads. I didn't know Grant held this particular work high in his overall body of works until someone in this thread mentioned it. I could probably agree. Anybody who has spent a few amount of time reading about memetics would appreciate The Filth. I don't mean just knowing the term memetics either, which I have encountered some cooky posters here a few years ago speaking authoritatively about it just by citing Morisson interviews all the while completely misinterpreting it.
Just think of it this way, Neil Gaiman gave anthropomorphical representaions to seven abstract concepts inherent to human existence with the Endless in his Sandman work. Grant Morisson did the same thing to an obscure empirical pseudo science.
Cultural evolution, theories on perception and its relationship with reality or lack of thereof are the subjects which Morisson does his best works. The Filth is among them.
David Bird
04-06-2006, 02:42 AM
Originally posted by genetic freak
I'm not dissing anyone or being pretentious when I say this so apologies if I offend anybody.
My opinion on this is I simply cannot fault anybody if the work went over their heads. I didn't know Grant held this particular work high in his overall body of works until someone in this thread mentioned it. I could probably agree. Anybody who has spent a few amount of time reading about memetics would appreciate The Filth. I don't mean just knowing the term memetics either, which I have encountered some cooky posters here a few years ago speaking authoritatively about it just by citing Morisson interviews all the while completely misinterpreting it.
Just think of it this way, Neil Gaiman gave anthropomorphical representaions to seven abstract concepts inherent to human existence with the Endless in his Sandman work. Grant Morisson did the same thing to an obscure empirical pseudo science.
Cultural evolution, theories on perception and its relationship with reality or lack of thereof are the subjects which Morisson does his best works. The Filth is among them.
Interesting points. Maybe I'll give it another shot, should I get a chance.
BillReed
04-06-2006, 02:50 AM
Never read it, but I've heard good things from reliable sources.
NewRisingSun
04-06-2006, 03:19 AM
Give it a shot. It's not for everyone (like most of morrison's work), but it still is an entertaining read. It stands up well to the rest of Morrison't body of work.
Outshined_One
04-06-2006, 04:21 AM
Weird beyond comprehension. Grant pretty much goes overboard with this one (even moreso than usual!).
thefellowship12
04-06-2006, 04:29 AM
Definitely not his best, I kinda enjoyed some of it but loads fo it just seemed soooo bizarre after a while I had to force myself to read through the trade.
Simple Simon
04-06-2006, 06:42 AM
I admit that I had no clue what was going on. It could have been brilliant but sadly, it was way over my head.
Somniator
04-06-2006, 06:49 AM
I thought it was alright, but it was staggeringly dense and I don't think I really gave it as much attention as I should have. As genetic freak says above, it's probably best read if you buy into, and understand, what Morrison was actually doing with it. I didn't, so it didn't grab me so much. To be honest, the same thing happened for me with both The Invisibles and Seaguy, works which I can completely understand the appeal of, but which I just didn't connect with. On the other hand, the metatextuality of Animal Man appealed to me greatly, and it's for that reason that I place it far higher in the GM canon than a lot of people seem to.
And it really, really pissed me off when not one, but two cats died in it.
EmeraldGuy32
04-06-2006, 08:05 AM
I think it's one of Morrisons best works.
manou
04-06-2006, 09:19 AM
Originally posted by thefellowship12
Definitely not his best, I kinda enjoyed some of it but loads fo it just seemed soooo bizarre after a while I had to force myself to read through the trade. Same for me. I couldn't finish the series, too boring for me. Definitely not the best work from him, according to my taste...
Bad.
Too late to influence your trig decision, I guess, but "Filth" comes across as the work of a writer who is desperate to be taken seriously. As a result, it tries too hard to be clever and ends up being an unsatisfactory mish-mash of ideas.
Some of those ideas could have been interesting if properly developed but, as a whole, it smacks of pretension and self-indulgence.
David Bird
04-06-2006, 01:37 PM
For Morrison's own thoughts on Filth. (http://www.popimage.com/content/grant20045.html)
Originally posted by David Bird
... Morrison's own thoughts on Filth. (http://www.popimage.com/content/grant20045.html)
Interesting article, thx.
Doesn't change my view of "The Filth" but it's interesting, nonetheless!
Somniator
04-06-2006, 05:20 PM
Originally posted by DAJB
the work of a writer who is desperate to be taken seriously.
Sorry, but if there's one thing GM doesn't need to do, it's convince people to take him seriously...
Originally posted by Somniator
Sorry, but if there's one thing GM doesn't need to do, it's convince people to take him seriously...
Well, that's a matter of opinion. Personally, after We3 and The Filth, I have great trouble taking him seriously!
:-P
Fazhoul
04-06-2006, 05:35 PM
Other than the past four years of Nightwing this was the worst piece of crap I've ever read.
genetic freak
04-07-2006, 01:23 AM
Originally posted by DAJB
Well, that's a matter of opinion. Personally, after We3 and The Filth, I have great trouble taking him seriously!
:-P
I'm not trying to change your opinion it's yours. I however am having a problem with your attitude. If you dont understand it you just want to talk smack about it? You don't like it, so it must mean its pretentious and self-indulgent, that's basically what you're saying.
I really don't get this pervaiding attitude people have online.
Originally posted by genetic freak
I'm not trying to change your opinion it's yours. I however am having a problem with your attitude. If you dont understand it you just want to talk smack about it? You don't like it, so it must mean its pretentious and self-indulgent, that's basically what you're saying.
I really don't get this pervaiding attitude people have online.
Actually, that's not what I'm saying at all so please don't attribute my opinions to an "attitude".
I've never said I don't understand it. Others in this thread have said that but, for me, that's not the problem. I do understand it. I just find the writing weak and - as I said - self-indulgent.
Sorry, but it's not much of a defence to simply accuse those who don't like something of not understanding it.
genetic freak
04-07-2006, 05:28 AM
Originally posted by DAJB
Actually, that's not what I'm saying at all so please don't attribute my opinions to an "attitude".
I've never said I don't understand it. Others in this thread have said that but, for me, that's not the problem. I do understand it. I just find the writing weak and - as I said - self-indulgent.
Sorry, but it's not much of a defence to simply accuse those who don't like something of not understanding it.
Hey I said your opinion is yours and I'm not going to change it, wasn't I clear on that? I'm not accusing anybody, many here have bashed it and did I call them up? Wonder why? Like I said your attitude that you projected to me with a particular post.
Was it intentional on your part? I don't know. You debunked somebody's opinion as an opinion and then gave yours as if it was the end all. You don't take him seriously anymore you said, so what? The man still has a fanbase who takes him seriously. Look I'm not the biggest Morisson fan and it's not about defending him, bash his work if you want. It was your attitude that I called, not your opinion. Understand now?
Originally posted by genetic freak
It was your attitude that I called, not your opinion. Understand now?
Hmmm ... perhaps you missed the part where explained I was expressing an opinion and not an attitude.
genetic freak
04-07-2006, 05:57 AM
Originally posted by DAJB
Hmmm ... perhaps you missed the part where explained I was expressing an opinion and not an attitude.
Hmm... I know that. How can you express attitude in words? :confused:
Oy! we surely are not connecting. I'll just let it go, too much trouble for something insignificant. I was just saying how you carry yourself in conversations here rubs me the wrong way. No biggy.
Originally posted by genetic freak
Hmm... I know that. How can you express attitude in words? :confused:
Oy! we surely are not connecting. I'll just let it go, too much trouble for something insignificant. I was just saying how you carry yourself in conversations here rubs me the wrong way. No biggy.
Phew! That was going to be my next post! Sorry you thought you detected an attitude that wasn't there but I'm glad we can just agree to differ. Too many threads just degenerate into name-calling!
Peace and stuff.
dr. borracho
04-07-2006, 08:56 AM
I absolutely loved it. The first night I got it, I read it twice in a row. Some of the funniest concepts I've seen since Transmetropolitan.
Somniator
04-07-2006, 09:03 AM
Originally posted by DAJB
Well, that's a matter of opinion. Personally, after We3 and The Filth, I have great trouble taking him seriously!
:-P
I can understand that's your opinion, and I wasn't saying that everyone takes him deadly seriously (I mean, the man's written some downright silly stuff over the years).
But what I meant was that GM really just isn't the sort of person who would ever be "desperate" to get people to take him seriously. As a writer, he's more the sort of person who writes whatever the hell he wants and - aside from when he's being shamelessly crowd-pleasing, like with All-Star Superman - doesn't really care so much how people take to it. That's certainly the case with The Filth - if he cared that much about what people thought of him, he would have made it far less oblique and challenging. As it is, though, it's something he wanted to do and something he wanted to say, and he now carries enough clout in the industry that he can get away with such massive steps into left-field.
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