UNDERSTANDING THE SUPER(GIRL) SCHEDULE

[MattBrady]

<a href="http://www.newsarama.com/dcnew/supergirl/SupergirlCv7.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://www.newsarama.com/dcnew/supergirl/SupergirlCv7_t.jpg" width="175" height="265" border="0" align="right"></a>In a recent Crisis Counseling session here at Newsarama, DCU Executive Editor Dan Didio said that he’s been taking any steps necessary to make sure all of DC’s books hit their schedules so that the “One Year Later” jump would be line-wide – without any stragglers.

As Monday’s press release (http://www.newsarama.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=58578) from DC revealed, sometimes “any steps” may mean wrapping up an arc one issue earlier than planned, as <b>Supergirl #5</b> will now be the final issue of Jeph Loeb and Ian Churchill’s run as a creative team on the series. The two will end their storyline in a 32 page issue, clearing the decks for Greg Rucka and Ed Benes to come on with issue #6, which will be the series’ first “One Year Later” issue.

“To get everything in line with what's going on with One Year Later in March, it was necessary to do,” series editor Eddie Berganza said when asked why a six issue arc was reduced to five issues. “<b>Supergirl</b> has been working just pre the continuity of <b>Infinite Crisis</b>. Her appearances in <b>Superman, JLA</b> and <b>Crisis</b> all follow the events after issue #5 for those that need to be specific as to where they store their comics.

“Jeph was able to craft his story without losing any punch to it within the compress space and Ian Churchill was able to draw it all in the compress time we had. And it’s important to note that neither skimmed on the quality of their work. At the end, we have a really good story that resolves a lot of things about Supergirl and where she's from, and also opens up a lot of possibilities.”

As Berganza explained, the shift in the series wasn’t wholly a matter correcting <b>Supergirl’s</b> schedule to get it to fit into One Year Later, but also, a final adjustment in response to the ripple effect Loeb’s schedule suffered after his son Sam passed away last year. While the writer was working at normal speed, some delays had worked their way into the system. “Some things are more important than getting your comics on Wednesday - and I know there's not much,” Berganza said. “We tried to get back on track as soon as we could. The fact that issue #5 was done so quickly shows it was not a matter of not being able to follow a schedule. That said, we are giving Ian a break, so he has time to breathe and things can settle at a more normal pace for everyone. Ed Benes will come on and do some issues.

<a href="http://www.newsarama.com/dcnew/supergirl/SUPERGIRLCv07.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://www.newsarama.com/dcnew/supergirl/SUPERGIRLCv07_t.jpg" width="175" height="241" border="0" align="left"></a>“Aside from that the storyline changes are just in line with everything else going on in the DCU.”

For the artist, it marks his second time with the character relatively recently, although the last time he drew her, she was someone else. “Ed really caught my eye the first time he drew Kara on the Peter David run, and it's great to see his work on her again, especially with the story that Greg has come up with,” Berganza said. “He’s drawn some very pretty images and you can see how he’s evolved since he and Kara last worked together. You'll be looking at his storytelling and backgrounds as well as his hot girls this time around.”

And as far as the One Year Later story behind those covers go (Berganza declined to comment on Power Girl and Supergirl teamed as the new Nightwing and Flamebird of Kandor, while DC said that the unobstructed view of #6’s cover will be available when it his stores), the editor isn’t talking. “All I can say is that, as we’ve seen in <b>Crisis</b>, Kara goes into space with Donna Troy and then, we catch up to her in her book under some very interesting changes to her and her surroundings as part of the leap in time that all the books are doing.”

As Berganza hinted, final art duties for the issues in the series’ immediate future are still slightly up in the air (it looks as though Benes will return for issue #7 before leaving to take on <b>Justice League of America</b> with Brad Meltzer), but Churchill is coming back. “It's Ian's book,” Berganza said. “Ed's just minding the store. Ian's is also evolving and it will be very interesting and cool to see how he and Greg will be working together. There are some interesting twists and turns coming up. And some super-villains too. We been doing the tour of the superhero world, so we'll start meeting some of the dark side of the DCU. But first we'll have to get back from... well, you'll see...”

<i>Newsarama Note: The silhouette cover, originally solicited for issue #7 is now the cover to issue #6, while the cover of Supergirl tearing off a different costume is the cover to issue #7</i>.

[CCGuy]

Cool. Good to see the book is gonna be back on somewhat of a schedule.

I love Ed Benes's Supergirl, she actually doesn't look like a twig... can't wait!

(WOOT! First post)

[summers88]

I'm not thrilled about losing an issue but I am glad it's back on schedule. I'm keeping my fingers crossed for the same Supergirl goodness we've been getting. This title rules!

[Fan4Fan]

So it is Benes on 6 (and after)? Will those issues be re-solicited?

[NightRiver]

Benes on Supergirl for a couple of issues. :)
Churchill Back on after Benes. :(

[AlexLothos]

That ripple effect can be hectic... good luck to Mr. Loeb and his family as they continue to deal with their loss. :(

Glad to hear the series will be resolved well for all parties. :)

[Steve Wasser]

Lately, in a bunch of threads, little debates have sprung up about typos and grammatical errors in comics and websites. Some posters have been extremely well spoken. Others have been a little harsh. Across the board, though, writers associated with Newsarama have railed against the very IDEA that errors are rampant.

Yet, look at the very first sentence of this article! Immediately, the first sentence has an error so obvious that the most cursory proofread would have caught it!

Comics are exploding. We're enjoying more exposure than ever before. Man, even a company like Lion's Gate is giving Newsarama exclusive sneak peeks. So, why isn't the industry rising to the professional opportunity?

I would love to hear a heartfelt discussion devoid of nastiness.

I'm posting under my real name. I don't have a history of bad behavior.

Thanks for hearing me out.

[sequart]

I love Ed Bene's Supergirl

I have to say that Ed Benes is quite good and seems to be the type of artist that can be a big, BIG name very soon. Where did he come from?

[ReaperFett]

I like Benes, but wouldn't it make sense for him to use this time to do JLA issues, so that any fillin artist will be seen later?

[Troy Brownfield]

Originally posted by Steve Wasser
Lately, in a bunch of threads, little debates have sprung up about typos and grammatical errors in comics and websites. Some posters have been extremely well spoken. Others have been a little harsh. Across the board, though, writers associated with Newsarama have railed against the very IDEA that errors are rampant.

Yet, look at the very first sentence of this article! Immediately, the first sentence has an error so obvious that the most cursory proofread would have caught it!

Comics are exploding. We're enjoying more exposure than ever before. Man, even a company like Lion's Gate is giving Newsarama exclusive sneak peeks. So, why isn't the industry rising to the professional opportunity?

I would love to hear a heartfelt discussion devoid of nastiness.

I'm posting under my real name. I don't have a history of bad behavior.

Thanks for hearing me out.

I've commented on this issue, and I acknowledged that there are sometimes errors. I just think that there's a right and wrong way to point them out. Speaking for everyone inasmuch as I can, we're happy to correct a mistake if we've made one.

I honestly think that the best way to handle the reporting of an error is to drop a PM to Matt or another moderator and let us know what needs to be corrected. If it becomes a series of posts, well-intentioned or not, then it has a potential to be a problem between people, when it really shouldn't be.

If you drop me a note and say, for example, "Hey man, third review down, it should say been instead of be," I'm not going to get angry. I'm going to say, "Thanks", and fix it. Like I did above.

And yes, "Thanks for catching that." :)

[The Shadow]

Originally posted by AlexLothos
That ripple effect can be hectic... good luck to Mr. Loeb and his family as they continue to deal with their loss. :(

Glad to hear the series will be resolved well for all parties. :) Nicely said.

I'm looking forward to the final issue of Jeph and Ian's run, the Benes issues as he's always been a favorite of mine (I even own some original Benes art!) and the return of Ian.

Rucka did some great things with Wonder Woman... I can't wait to see what he's got in store for Kara!

[Kevenn]

As a fan of the Peter David run, I'm thrilled to see Ed Benes drawing Kara again! (and that she'll probably have some curves to her!) :D

[Uchiha_Prodigy]

Benes draws amazing women. I cant wait for this.

[StripedTiger]

Im a big fan of Ed's work but not enough to get me to buy this... I picked up the issue released yesterday and saw it was the usual "Kara kicks the ass of the (fill in the blank super team)" nonsense and put it right back down. First PowerGirl and the JSA. Then Superboy and the Titans. Now the JLA and herself? Any interest I had in the character is gone.

I know I'm in the minority but damn I miss Peter David's Linda Danvers Earth Angel Supergirl... She doesnt need to come back as Supergirl again but that was a great and unusual character that's just sitting out in limbo right now...

[Steve Wasser]

Originally posted by Troy Brownfield
I've commented on this issue, and I acknowledged that there are sometimes errors. I just think that there's a right and wrong way to point them out. Speaking for everyone inasmuch as I can, we're happy to correct a mistake if we've made one.

I honestly think that the best way to handle the reporting of an error is to drop a PM to Matt or another moderator and let us know what needs to be corrected. If it becomes a series of posts, well-intentioned or not, then it has a potential to be a problem between people, when it really shouldn't be.

If you drop me a note and say, for example, "Hey man, third review down, it should say been instead of be," I'm not going to get angry. I'm going to say, "Thanks", and fix it. Like I did above.

And yes, "Thanks for catching that." :)

Thanks, Troy.

I completely understand your point of view. I hope you understand that I've been a lifelong comics reader and I am beyond enthusiastic about where comics are right now.

I thought a public discussion of the issue might lead to ideas. That's all. Honestly.

Here's a suggestion that might help. I have a close friend that is the associate editor of a high traffic website (nothing to do with comics). Each and every one of their articles is reviewed by one of three editors. As a result, errors in posted articles are extremely rare. From what I understand, each of these three editors is paid a small amount of money on a monthly basis, taken out of the advertisement proceeds.

I don't know if there is a similar arrangement within Newsarama. I'm not fishing to find out. But if there's not, it might be time to consider something like this. After all, the industry is growing like mad and the flagship comics news site should grow with it. Like it or not, you are our flagship.

Thanks for all of the time and energy you guys put into the site. I visit it several times a day and plan to do so as long as it's around.

---Steve

[Superfrick]

Originally posted by sequart
I have to say that Ed Benes is quite good and seems to be the type of artist that can be a big, BIG name very soon. Where did he come from?

I too, enjoy Ed Benes' Supergirl! I wish he'd stay as the regular.

[SonOfZod]

I'm not sure I understand the schedule when Beganza is saying the both Loeb and Churchill were able to finish their work on time, when obviously that isn't true.

[spidertour02]

Originally posted by sequart
I have to say that Ed Benes is quite good and seems to be the type of artist that can be a big, BIG name very soon. Where did he come from?

I believe that Benes is from Brazil.

[Evan Brown]

Funny that the in the cover for issue #7, the costume tearing one, it's an X-men costume from Churchill's short run with Joe Casey. A little poke at Marvel perhaps, probably just for fun though.

Evan

[samnoir]

I'm glad thing worked out for the shortened story arc. It does give a clean break for Loeb (along with the Teen Titans issue he finished off based on his son's story/script) at the OYL mark as he heads over to become one of the architects of the Marvel U post-Civil War.

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[Cmdr_Y]

Am I crazy or are these two images related:


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maybe I'm behind the times and this has already been discusssed. I want to state, right now that I really know very VERY little about the DC Universe, so if this is just stupid, sorry for wasting your time.

[BeastCharming]

The industry is growing like mad?

Looks like I live on Earth-1 and you on Earth-2 ;)

It's not because the industry has opened an umbrella that it's not still freefalling (and this is coming from a fan with over 14,000 comics!)

[Uncensored]

I had to google Ed Benes' name to see his artwork... I like what I saw:D

[rockieman]

Issue #7 was resolicited for release in April. Does that mean #6 is supposed to come out some time in March?

Matt - any idea of a release date for #6?

[Brian Garside]

Originally posted by Steve Wasser
Thanks, Troy.
(SNIPPAGE)
I thought a public discussion of the issue might lead to ideas. That's all. Honestly.
(END SNIPPAGE)
---Steve

Or...and this is just an idea...you could unbunch your panties and just chill.

This is comics, not a doctoral thesis in Trans-Atlantic flight migration patterns of the South African hummingbird.

It's also the web (a flowing medium, where the primary aim is to get updates done quickly), not the final print version of said doctoral thesis (where you have the time to dot all of the t's and cross all of the i's).

I work for a major online presence and have for 9 years, and I will tell you quite frankly that passing everything through 3 editors STILL doesn't get every error caught...and it triples or sometimes quadruples the amount of time it takes to post a story.

My question to you is; would you rather read 6 quickly posted stories in which minor typographical changes are quickly made as they are noticed, or 2 perfect stories?

[Steve Wasser]

Originally posted by BeastCharming
The industry is growing like mad?

Looks like I live on Earth-1 and you on Earth-2 ;)

It's not because the industry has opened an umbrella that it's not still freefalling (and this is coming from a fan with over 14,000 comics!)


GROWING LIKE MAD!!

All right, all hyperbole aside, let's look at facts.

Compared to five years ago, sales are up across the board. Marvel has comics in 7-11s. Major publishers have comics in book stores. The graphic novel market is getting material in front of all-new readers in an all-new market. The movies are the highest-profile tent poles in the film industry. The animated series are going strong. Best-selling authors are knocking on the door. A HISTORY OF VIOLENCE has followed ROAD TO PERDITION to the Academy Awards.

I could go on.

I like it here on Earth-2. Here, I have a full, lustrous head of hair.

---Steve

[BillRitter]

Originally posted by Troy Brownfield


I honestly think that the best way to handle the reporting of an error is to drop a PM to Matt or another moderator and let us know what needs to be corrected. If it becomes a series of posts, well-intentioned or not, then it has a potential to be a problem between people, when it really shouldn't be.


I disagree and agree with you, regards to the above comment.

I believe relying upon readers to act as editors or proofreaders is rather like asking travelers on a cuise to watch for leaks and report them.

I think it more appropriate the writers of Newsarama's articles be responsible for their own spellchecks and mastery of grammar.

You may not have intentionally suggested Newsarama's readers should be the editors in your comment. However, this was your suggestion of the "best way".

I do agree that a series of posts is likely not the best way to correct issues.

[Squashua]

My sympathies to Mr. Loeb; of course, it is older news.

- - -

In lighter news: Where is the "Who is Supergirl?" analysis article? C'mon, you did it for everyone else!!!!

[Steve Wasser]

Originally posted by Brian Garside
Or...and this is just an idea...you could unbunch your panties and just chill.

This is comics, not a doctoral thesis in Trans-Atlantic flight migration patterns of the South African hummingbird.

It's also the web (a flowing medium, where the primary aim is to get updates done quickly), not the final print version of said doctoral thesis (where you have the time to dot all of the t's and cross all of the i's).

I work for a major online presence and have for 9 years, and I will tell you quite frankly that passing everything through 3 editors STILL doesn't get every error caught...and it triples or sometimes quadruples the amount of time it takes to post a story.

My question to you is; would you rather read 6 quickly posted stories in which minor typographical changes are quickly made as they are noticed, or 2 perfect stories?

Wow.

This got aggressive quickly, didn't it? If you wanted to get my blood pressure up, congrats. Well done. You did it. Mission accomplished.

I won't return the fire, despite how badly I want to hit the snark button.

I don't agree with your outlook. I don't think this is "just comics." I also don't think that articles written on the web should be shoddier than an article printed on paper. With an industry that can tout Michael Chabon, Brad Meltzer, Orson Scott Card and Joss Whedon, we've entered a new realm of quality. (Not that our homegrown committed talents like Alan Moore and Frank Miller ever deserved less).

If I'm coming off as unreasonable, I can live with that.

To answer your last question, I would rather read two well-written articles than six that are slapped together too quickly. Again, if that makes me a nutjob, I'm cool with that.

I don't think it's an if/or situation, though.

---Steve

[spindle]

Originally posted by Brian Garside
Or...and this is just an idea...you could unbunch your panties and just chill.

This is comics, not a doctoral thesis in Trans-Atlantic flight migration patterns of the South African hummingbird.

It's also the web (a flowing medium, where the primary aim is to get updates done quickly), not the final print version of said doctoral thesis (where you have the time to dot all of the t's and cross all of the i's).

I work for a major online presence and have for 9 years, and I will tell you quite frankly that passing everything through 3 editors STILL doesn't get every error caught...and it triples or sometimes quadruples the amount of time it takes to post a story.

My question to you is; would you rather read 6 quickly posted stories in which minor typographical changes are quickly made as they are noticed, or 2 perfect stories?

So, it's quantity over quality then?

Dude, being rude to Steve is just not necessary. He was very polite about the whole issue. He wasn't being snippy.

Truth is we shouldn't have to do Newsarama's editing. No one's asking for perfection, but some of these articles are hard to read, thanks to all the errors. The whole thing just seems a little silly.

There are plenty of sites on the web that don't have this issue.

[creatorman]

Awesome Team Up. Greg Rucka, great writer. Ed Benes, superb artist, IMO, one of the best out there.

[Groovie Mann]

i'm happy to see churchill still on the book. though nto his strongest work i thought a lot of the characters he rendered in the DCU looked great. however ed benes is an artist i do like more, so it'll be fun to see him on the book however breifly.

[IvCNuB4]

Originally posted by rockieman
Issue #7 was resolicited for release in April. Does that mean #6 is supposed to come out some time in March?

Matt - any idea of a release date for #6?

Ever heard of a little site called DC Comics (http://www.dccomics.com/comics/?cm=4404) ? They keep it fairly well updated ...

[skaly]

As a Peter David fan, I've had a little trouble accepting the new Supergirl, (just I've had trouble accepting a certain group that replaced Young Justice). But I guess all that really matters is how well this particular story is told, and Rucka is a good storyteller. Also looking forward to Loeb's Ultimates.

[rockieman]

Originally posted by IvCNuB4
Ever heard of a little site called DC Comics (http://www.dccomics.com/comics/?cm=4404) ? They keep it fairly well updated ...

In my experience, DC's website is not the most up to date source of shipping dates, even after Diamond releases new schedule. And considering that #6 is still listed as a Loeb issue on their site, and #7 has already been rescheduled, I think you know what you can do with your oh so helpful suggestion.

[Ken B.]

Benes was supposed to be on JLA with Metzger. So who's the new JLA artist?

Benes can be a competent artist when he tones down the cheesecake, but he can't draw complete issues. Look at his recent Superman run; most of them had Benes splitting the art duty with another artist for half the books. it's ridiculous

[kingofcities]

Originally posted by Ken B.
Benes was supposed to be on JLA with Metzger. So who's the new JLA artist?

The writer is Brad Meltzer and Benes is still the artist on the new Justice League book. This is just something he's working on until the other book is published later in the year.

[Ken B.]

Originally posted by kingofcities
The writer is Brad Meltzer and Benes is still the artist on the new Justice League book. This is just something he's working on until the other book is published later in the year.

But with an artist like Benes, he needs all the lead in time there is. I think this may have a ripple effect for when the JLA book is published.

[Noreikas]

I'm just glad Loeb's arc is ending and we can get to Rucka's.

Loeb's Supergirl has been painful to read. Here we FINALLY get Kara Zor-El back after 20 years...and we have this crap to read where she's fighting other heroes over and over.

I can't wait for Rucka to begin!

And I don't mean this as Loeb-bashing....I have enjoyed him on the Superman books, Batman, Superman/Batman, etc.... but his Supergirl is painful to read.

[kingofcities]

Originally posted by Ken B.
But with an artist like Benes, he needs all the lead in time there is. I think this may have a ripple effect for when the JLA book is published.

I'm not sure Benes is as slow as you think he is. He did a pretty good job on Birds Of Prey to the best of my recollection. I could be wrong though. Either way, I don't see DC putting him on this high-profile title if they thought he would cause it to stumble out of the gate.

[ShamrockLad]

Originally posted by creatorman
Awesome Team Up. Greg Rucka, great writer. Ed Benes, superb artist, IMO, one of the best out there.

Such a shame that this isn't going to be the regular creative team going forward. I was tempted to start getting this when Rucka starts writing on it, but I just can't get past Churchill's art.

I'll be picking up the Rucka/Benes issues when they hit the stand, but that'll be it for me unfortunately. I'd far rather have Benes on this than the upcoming Justice League for the simple fact that I'd buy Meltzer's League even if I was drawing it! And I've got all the artistic ability of a baboon!

DC & Didio - Please move Benes to Supergirl! And if Rucka moves on, then replace him with Peter David! (I can dream...)

[Kevin Street]

Originally posted by AlexLothos
That ripple effect can be hectic... good luck to Mr. Loeb and his family as they continue to deal with their loss. :(

Yes. :( Just saying "my deepest sympathies" doesn't really cut it for something like this, and it's a testament to Mr. Loeb's professionalism that his arc is being completed in such a timely manner. I'd be willing to wait as long as it took for him to finish.

[Fan4Fan]

Originally posted by IvCNuB4
Ever heard of a little site called DC Comics (http://www.dccomics.com/comics/?cm=4404) ? They keep it fairly well updated ...

This morning they were still listing Loeb and Churchill for 6 and 7.

Look, before you leap.

[ShamrockLad]

Originally posted by IvCNuB4
Ever heard of a little site called DC Comics (http://www.dccomics.com/comics/?cm=4404) ? They keep it fairly well updated ...

Well clicked the link in your post and it shows me that #5 is regular sized and priced. Mentions nothing about the end of the arc and, lo... what's that? March's #6 is also written by Loeb and pencilled by Churchill...

Now usually DC are fairly good at keeping their site up to date, but you may wanna look and see next time...

[ShamrockLad]

Originally posted by Fan4Fan
Look, before you leap.

Snap! :D (as in, the card game.) LOL - I nearly typed exactly the same thing, but changed my mind for some reason.

[Marty4Magik]

Originally posted by IvCNuB4
Ever heard of a little site called DC Comics (http://www.dccomics.com/comics/?cm=4404) ? They keep it fairly well updated ...

Hmpf....for some weird reason I can't register there. :mad:


Anyway, looking forward to Benes' issues, I love his art.

I like Churchill's art too, so I am glad he will be back.

This book is a great read I hope it will stay that way under the new writer....

[Troy Brownfield]

Originally posted by BillRitter
I disagree and agree with you, regards to the above comment.

I believe relying upon readers to act as editors or proofreaders is rather like asking travelers on a cuise to watch for leaks and report them.

I think it more appropriate the writers of Newsarama's articles be responsible for their own spellchecks and mastery of grammar.

You may not have intentionally suggested Newsarama's readers should be the editors in your comment. However, this was your suggestion of the "best way".

I do agree that a series of posts is likely not the best way to correct issues.

I said, "the best way to handle the reporting of an error". And yes, that is the best way to handle the reporting of an error across any media . . . notifying the staff.

The best way to catch errors is for us to do it first. True. Right. Bullseye. We got it. I never suggested that readers be our editors, and you're reaching to insinuate that I did.

But when it comes to you all finding an error that we do miss . . . that is indeed the best way to report it.

[Brian Garside]

Originally posted by spindle
So, it's quantity over quality then?

Dude, being rude to Steve is just not necessary. He was very polite about the whole issue. He wasn't being snippy.

I wasn't rude. I was being funny...unbunching one's panties seems like a funny visualization to me, as does the notion of reading the doctoral thesis of the migrating patterns of the South African hummingbird (which is a Monty Python reference. Monty Python references always = funny).

Oh well.

Personally, I have no problem reading the articles that are on this site. However, I realize that I read the site 2 or 3 times a day, and perhaps people who are hitting refresh every 30 seconds are getting a different experience than I.

Also...maybe, and again this is just a thought...maybe you're taking things too seriously.

[Brian Garside]

Originally posted by Steve Wasser
Wow.

This got aggressive quickly, didn't it? If you wanted to get my blood pressure up, congrats. Well done. You did it. Mission accomplished.
(SNIPPAGE)


See my above comment. I thought the humour was obvious. Apparently not.

Originally posted by Steve Wasser

I don't agree with your outlook. I don't think this is "just comics." I also don't think that articles written on the web should be shoddier than an article printed on paper.


At no point did I say it was "just comics", I said it was comics. Comics are entertainment, they are not a doctoral thesis.

...and yes, whether you think it or not, the Web is a fluid medium. One of the cool things about the web is that you often get to see updates, revisions and additions to a story.

Enough hijacking the story though, if you have a problem with the way Matt and Co. run the site, take it up with them privately rather than airing your dirty laundry publicly.

Oh, and take your Cilazapril after reading this. :) (the preceeding smiley face was inserted to indicate that I was joking and did not in fact want you to take your blood pressure medication)...and chill out dude.

[IvCNuB4]

Originally posted by ShamrockLad
Snap!

"Oh, snap ! " :rolleyes: Maybe you two girls can giggle in bed together while you braid each other's hair ...

[paulski]

Originally posted by MattBrady
As Berganza hinted, final art duties for the issues in the series’ immediate future are still slightly up in the air (it looks as though Benes will return for issue #7 before leaving to take on Justice League of America with Brad Meltzer), but Churchill is coming back. “It's Ian's book,” Berganza said. “Ed's just minding the store.”

And, see, that's where the problem lies. I don't like Churchill's work on this title. If Loeb's writing wasn't so excruciating on the book, I still probably would have dropped it after #2.

Which is stupid, because I've always liked the character. Probably something about the short skirts, but I digress.

With Benes doing #6 & (probably) 7, I am EXTREMELY tempted to pick the book up again. But then I remember how much I dislike the art on #1 & 2 and think "what's the point, Churchill's back on #8 anyway". :(

[Ken B.]

Originally posted by kingofcities
I'm not sure Benes is as slow as you think he is. He did a pretty good job on Birds Of Prey to the best of my recollection. I could be wrong though. Either way, I don't see DC putting him on this high-profile title if they thought he would cause it to stumble out of the gate.

DC is becoming like Marvel in the sense that they will put slow artists on books they know they don't have enough lead in time on. Kerschel on Adventures of Superman, Benes on Superman, Lee on Superman, Pacheco and VanSciver on Green Lantern and GL: Rebirth. Tony Daniels on Teen Titans is looking that way too.

The only time I feel it is ok to allow a fill-in on an issue or half an issue is if the artist is drawing two books at once, like Joe Bennet did with BoP and Hawkman at the same time (and if you read both, you noticed more emphasis was put on BoP than Hawkman, and rightfully so since it was selling more).

And IIRC, Benes did the first 4 issues of BoP on his own, then needed another artist to do half the book for the most of his run on the title. I think his last issue was all him though.

[ShamrockLad]

Originally posted by IvCNuB4
"Oh, snap ! " :rolleyes: Maybe you two girls can giggle in bed together while you braid each other's hair ...

Oh you're just jealous becauseyou're not invited! But that's what happens when you get snipey with people. All the cool kids ignore ya :D

[IvCNuB4]

Dude, I'm always up for a hot gay-threesome ! :p

[RDFozz]

This could be a real mess for retailers.

The "resolicitation" of SUPERGIRL #7 is actually the solicitation of what would have been SUPERGIRL #8. So, yay, the retailers get to place their orders for SUPERGIRL #7 as the second OYL issue, not the first.

However, I would imagine that there are a number of locations whose numbers for SUPERGIRL #6 and SUPERGIRL #7 were significantly different. The OYL change, as well as a significantly different creative team, may have had some retailers doubling (or halving) their normal orders.

So, with a different creative team than the one solicited, if you got more than you wanted, this should be returnable, I assume. That's not going to help if you wanted twice as many copies of the OYL issue as of the one before it.

Just curious that nothing was said about this.

[Michael Mayket]

Originally posted by Brian Garside
I wasn't rude. I was being funny...unbunching one's panties seems like a funny visualization to me, as does the notion of reading the doctoral thesis of the migrating patterns of the South African hummingbird (which is a Monty Python reference. Monty Python references always = funny).

I think you forgot to do a conversion for your audience... those jokes might seem fresh in the metric system, but in the U.S. they're over 30 years old.

[Furu]

Originally posted by Michael Mayket
I think you forgot to do a conversion for your audience... those jokes might seem fresh in the metric system, but in the U.S. they're over 30 years old.

I'm nineteen years old and I got the references, geez.

Anyway, I'd be happy to read this now the Loeb is gone, but I'm afraid the last issue of Kara's Superman/Batman arc has forever tainted the character for me. I'll give Rucka a shot, though.

[krammocon]

TWO things to buy SUPERGIRL#6 Ed Benes and Power girl.. YESSS count me IN.

[Regulator]

Originally posted by Brian Garside
Monty Python references always = funny

Unless it's a Monty Python movie, then they're only funny if you're still 13.

[Kolimar]

Looking forward to it. :)

[Kolimar]

Originally posted by sequart
I have to say that Ed Benes is quite good and seems to be the type of artist that can be a big, BIG name very soon.

IMHO, he's already a big name, just not as as big as others. :)

Originally posted by sequart
Where did he come from?

Originally posted by spidertour02
I believe that Benes is from Brazil.

Correct. :)

http://edbenesstudio.nafoto.net/

http://edbenes.deviantart.com/

He started as a member of the now defunct Deodato Studios (Mike Deodato, Mozart Couto, Daniel HDR, René Michelletti, Carlos Mota, Emir Ribeiro. All of them Brazilian, as far as I can tell. I don't know if there was someone else). Some of his earliest work:

DC: Gunfire (one of the New Blood titles), the Artemis mini,

Marvel: Captain Marvel

[xarkxem]

I like his supergirl better than Churchills or Turners so far... Too bad he can't stay on longer.

http://www3.telus.net/public/jenangel/photo20060121193105.jpg

:note, the skirt is still washcloth size

[Doug Smith]

I am no grammar nazi, but I do agree that there are far too many obvious errors in some of the articles on this site. I don't care if somebody puts the period outside the parentheses when it should be inside...big deal.

But I do see lots of glaring typos that seem like they should be caught by one quick proofread...things like "Kieth Giffen" or "Mravel Comics". And some articles seem to have these types of mistakes in every paragraph. It just comes across as sloppy, which is a shame, because Newsarama DOES lead the industry in reporting comics news.

My other pet peeve would be the incredibly long run-on sentences; if you have to use five or six commas in one sentence, your sentence might be a wee bit long. But that's an argument for another time. :)

[CUAllen2187]

"Or...and this is just an idea...you could unbunch your panties and just chill.

This is comics, not a doctoral thesis in Trans-Atlantic flight migration patterns of the South African hummingbird.

It's also the web (a flowing medium, where the primary aim is to get updates done quickly), not the final print version of said doctoral thesis (where you have the time to dot all of the t's and cross all of the i's).

I work for a major online presence and have for 9 years, and I will tell you quite frankly that passing everything through 3 editors STILL doesn't get every error caught...and it triples or sometimes quadruples the amount of time it takes to post a story.

My question to you is; would you rather read 6 quickly posted stories in which minor typographical changes are quickly made as they are noticed, or 2 perfect stories?"



Umm, being a prick to someone who was making polite conversation doesn't qualify as being funny or particularly intelligent. Fans, casual readers, and more young people who post on the Internet could use the grammar lessons, frankly. No one will ever take you seriously (as a communicator) if you don't use correct grammar in your writing (on the net or no). Mostly, we'll just make fun of you no matter how many flaming retorts you send our way. Nothing can hurt us, because we are simply better writers than you and your ill-informed ilk.

Comics are LITERARY. Deal with that young fella. Yes, I would rather read perfect stories. That doesn't make me any less of an intelligent or "less hip" comics fan. If you worked for me and had that attitude, you wouldn't last long. Doesn't speak very well for your Internet employer does it?

Since when it is "Ok" to dismiss errors (and laziness) because we're on the web? Excellence has no time limit, sir. Try learning how to actually use ellipses points, by the way, instead of haphazardly throwing them into your words to make yourself seem aloof when you pause.

You made this nasty and "unfunny" when you came on board. That was a mistake.

[CUAllen2187]

Originally posted by Brian Garside
I wasn't rude. I was being funny...unbunching one's panties seems like a funny visualization to me, as does the notion of reading the doctoral thesis of the migrating patterns of the South African hummingbird (which is a Monty Python reference. Monty Python references always = funny).

Oh well.

Personally, I have no problem reading the articles that are on this site. However, I realize that I read the site 2 or 3 times a day, and perhaps people who are hitting refresh every 30 seconds are getting a different experience than I.

Also...maybe, and again this is just a thought...maybe you're taking things too seriously.


But you are the who doesn't take anything seriously, right?

[CUAllen2187]

Originally posted by Brian Garside
See my above comment. I thought the humour was obvious. Apparently not.



At no point did I say it was "just comics", I said it was comics. Comics are entertainment, they are not a doctoral thesis.

...and yes, whether you think it or not, the Web is a fluid medium. One of the cool things about the web is that you often get to see updates, revisions and additions to a story.

Enough hijacking the story though, if you have a problem with the way Matt and Co. run the site, take it up with them privately rather than airing your dirty laundry publicly.

You are the only one who highjacked the story by dragging us into the conversation to prove how dumb you are to have had a problem with Steve's comments.

Oh, and take your Cilazapril after reading this. :) (the preceeding smiley face was inserted to indicate that I was joking and did not in fact want you to take your blood pressure medication)...and chill out dude.

Yes, but you agree they can be literature, correct? They don't have to provide only Entertainment?

Doesn't mean those updates can't all have grammatical correctness, can they Brian?

You are the only one who highjacked the story by dragging us into the conversation to prove how dumb you are to have had a problem with Steve's comments.

Because we can't possibly be "cool" and talk about comics if we don't share your haphazard views, right? People like you are the reason I rarely post here.

[Steve Wasser]

Thanks to everyone that chimed in with comments. Even Brian's impassioned response is helpful, as he does represent a certain portion of the comic reading population, a portion that I truly believe is rather small but very loud.

In particular, thanks to Troy for his well-spoken responses.

I hope that, on some level, this has been an interesting and helpful discussion. I, for one, plan to walk away from it. I feel like I made my main point and I don't want to insult Troy, Matt Brady or any of the other writers any more than I already have.

Once again, thanks to the Newsarama crew that puts in all of the time and effort. If I can ever be of assistance, drop me a line. I'd be happy to return the favor.

---Steve

[ShamrockLad]

Originally posted by IvCNuB4
Dude, I'm always up for a hot gay-threesome ! :p

Sigh... Just my luck! I get picked to be in a hot gay threesome and I'm on the other side of the world! Stupid Internet!

[krammocon]

I am soo confused.. So the current story runs till #5 NOW right(supposed to be #6, but then they shortened it)? Then #6 will be where #7 supposed to be(OYL starts). Where's a new #7 then and it's solicit(I only saw the cover-Kara revealing her Supergirl costume)? Now we're seeing #8? Does this mean that the Peegee/Supergirl storyline runs from #6-#8 or #6-#7? Which is which? And which Supergirl is this?

??????? I am confused, and I am only being patient coz I am interested to buy every comic Peegee is into, so I need to know what to order (Don't like to end up ordering an issue of Supergirl without Peegee. Sorry) ???????