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MichaelDoran
11-05-2002, 05:12 AM
ITEM! It looks like Hal Jordan is doing to die again … well, his title is anyway. In issue #804 of Comic Shop News (in stores 11/13), the weekly comics magazine will report The Spectre will end its run with issue #27, this according to writer J.M. DeMatteis.

“I haven’t written the final issue yet and I’m still pondering how to handle it,” DeMatteis tells Comic Shop Newsarama. “Issue #26 is, in many ways, a great final issue for the Spectre, the cosmic Spirit of Redemption...but there’s not enough resolution for Hal Jordan, the man (and his niece, Helen, who’s been so important to the book) - so that’s what I’ll be aiming for, character-wise, in the last one. A nice story focusing on Hal. Of course, by the time I actually write it, that could change (these stories have a habit of writing themselves.)

“The upcoming JLA/Spectre: Soul War also works quite nicely as a closing door for this part of Hal’s life.” [more on that later].

Don’t look for a big change in the Hal Jordan Spectre in the final issue. “One thing DC has asked is that Hal’s status quo remain the same...so, yes, he will be available to ‘do his Spectre thing’ in other books,” added DeMatteis. “And given the history of Hal and the Spectre, I’m sure that, after some time off, he’ll find his way back into his own title again.”

Look for more information from DeMatteis in CSN #804.


<a href="http://classic.newsarama.com/Dark_Horse/kiss.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://classic.newsarama.com/Dark_Horse/kiss_t.jpg" width="125" height="188" border="0" alt="KISS #7 - Mr. Speed by Scott Kolins" align="right"></a> ITEM! Legendary rock band KISS has signed with a new producer … of their comic book that is. Dark Horse editor Scott Allie tells us as of issue #7 of the DHC KISS series, writer Scott Lobdell takes over as regular series writer, replacing departing writer Joe Casey and joining regular series artist Mel Rubi.

According to Allie, Lobdell takes over with issue #7 a one-shot featuring a new villain designed by Scott (The Flash) Kolins, who will also provide the cover. Issue #8 will then begin a new three-part story arc.

“Joe [Casey] just wanted to move on,” said Allie. “He did the two story arcs (six issues) he wanted to do, got to hang with Gene [Simmons], and figured that was it. I sort of panicked, and mentioned it to Scott, and he gave me his pitch for a whole new direction on the book. It was great, so I got him on the phone with Gene and Paul, and he had the job.”

Lobdell tells Newsarama he’ll begin his run with a first for the series, the Scott Kolins-designed character in issue #7 is a character based on a KISS song title, “Mr. Speed”.

“He is a young inner city super-speedster...but his super power comes at a horrible price!” said Lobdell. “And we're treating this episode as a ‘pilot’ for a spin-off of the ‘KISSverse’. The first of its kind.”

Lobdell then went on to describe his plans for the series and how it will change under his direction.

“The first six issues have sort of worked as comics for KISS fans who are familiar with the twenty plus year history of KISS. The first two story lines had them referencing events from long ago in their past - one arc referring to the Phantom movie from the late seventies. We want to ‘contemporize’ the series. Let both KISS fans and comics fans and pop culture fans in on the ground floor. We want to give the whole series a sense of discovery and newness and now that the early Fantastic Fours did when Stan and Jack were laying the groundwork of the Marvel Universe way back when.

”They'll be more Challengers Of The Unknown, more Fantastic Four - in that they are going to be seeking out ‘strange new worlds, new lives, new civilizations’. The series is going to be about them discovering alternate realities, new superheroes and super-threats. Each new arc is going to help lay the foundation for a KISSverse.

”No offense to the Marvels or DCs of the world, but how many times can Doctor Octopus or Lex Luthor leap out of closet and shout, ‘This time you are done for?!’ The fun part about KISS - from here on in - is that our characters are constantly going to be facing new threats and uncovering new exciting scenarios for the first time!”

The writer said the make up of the team/group lends itself to the exploration of any number of different comic book genres.

Explained Lobdell, ”You have the explorer genre (like, say the FF), the superhero team genre (like, say The Avengers or JLA), the horror genre through ‘The Demon’ character (think Vertigo on one hand, Ghost Rider on the other), the man vs. nature stories (like early Hulk or Wolverine) of the ‘Beast King’, the new age mystical elements (think of a modern day Dr. Strange) through the ‘Star Child’ character... and finally, the space opera/sci-fi venues (think Star Trek or Silver Surfer) through the ‘Celestial’ character!”


ITEM! Look for the toy-to-comic connection to continue in 2003, with writer Fabian Nicieza the latest to latest to get caught up in the craze. Nicieza tells Newsarama he’s neck-deep in an ambitious comics project that for the moment must remain nameless…

“The biggest chunk of work I'm involved in isn't even intended for distribution in the comics shops,” he recently told us. “I'm writing a 35-part custom comics program for a major toy company for their worldwide major boys vehicle release throughout 2003. Almost 300 pages of comic material aimed for kids ages 4-7. Possibly bigger than just about any custom comics program done in the history of comics. It's also generating CG-animated episodes for video retail sales and probable network pick up next year.”

Look for more information when it’s available.


ITEM! Let’s see, we work alongside <a href="http://www.moviepoopshoot.com" target="_blank">www.moviepoopshoot.com</a> here on the View Askew network of websites and Jimmy Palmiotti occasionally works with us interviewing artists in his State of the Art interviews. So what happens when Moviepoopshoot interviews Jimmy Palmiotti? We plug it of course/

You can read the <a href=http://www.moviepoopshoot.com/interviews/8.html>in-depth interview</a> by click on the link…

ITEM! Remember that clever animated Aquaman song parody from a few months back, set to the tune of Five for Fighting’s “Superman (It’s Not Easy)?” Its creator Dominic Nunziato has been creating new ones over the last few months, starring the likes of Wonder Woman and Batman. His latest edition is a new parody starring Hal Jordan, sung to the tune of <a href=http://www.spoil-sports.com/GreenLantern.htm>“That’s Life”</a> , perhaps most famously performed by Frank Sinatra. Check it out by clicking on the link…


ITEM! Penny Farthing Press has announced the signing of author Barbara Hambly to write The Invisible Labyrinth, a 64-page one-shot for The Victorian focusing on the villainous character Claude Ballaré and slated for a 2003 release.

According to PFP, “Best known for her elaborate settings and bewitching descriptions, the author brings her perspective as a successful novelist to The Victorian's world. The Invisible Labyrinth will give readers Hambly's signature combination of mystery and historical accuracy along with a touch of fantasy.”

“Barbara’s a beautiful writer,” PFP Editor-in-Chief Marlaine Maddux explained. “She has a passion for her subject matter that shines in every syllable. She was our first choice on this project.”

Hambly's career includes titles as Beauty and the Beast, The Benjamin January Mysteries, Knight of the Demon Queen, Magic Time, Star Trek: Ishmael, Star Wars: Children of the Jedi and The Windrose Chronicles.

The Invisible Labyrinth will mark the first in a string of The Victorian one-shots intended to give readers more insight into the series' elaborate world. Each one-shot will feature a unique creative team that will take The Victorian in new directions.

“We’re very excited about our upcoming projects associated with The Victorian title,” Maddux said. “We want to expand the fictional world of the main story line and show readers how certain characters came to be.”

Though creative teams have not been named for additional The Victorian one-shots, pre-production will begin on the projects in 2003.


<a href="http://classic.newsarama.com/DC/SMLSK1.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://classic.newsarama.com/DC/SMLSK1_t.jpg" width="175" alt="Superman: Last Stand On Krypton" height="127" border="0" hspace="1" align="right"></a> ITEM! DC has provided Newsarama a couple of preview pages for a pair of January-shipping projects, Steve Gerber and Doug Wheatley’s 64-page Prestige one-shot, Superman: Last Stand On Krypton and issue #1 of J.M. DeMatteis and Daryl Banks’ two-issue Prestige limited series, JLA/The Spectre: Soul War.
Superman: Last Stand On Krypton is a sequel to Gerber and Wheatley’s 2000 two-issue series Superman: Last Son of Earth.

“Last Son of Earth was an Elseworlds story that essentially turned the Superman legend on its head,” Gerber recently told Newsarama. “The infant son of astronomer Jonathan Kent and his wife Martha, was rocketed to Krypton when an asteroid collided with Earth.

“On Krypton, the child was adopted by Jor-El and Lara. He became the Green Lantern of Krypton's galactic sector, saved that planet from exploding, and unearthed the ruins of its ancient civilization, the culture that preceded the establishment of the Clone Banks - what we refer to as the ‘Silver Age’ Krypton.

“Ultimately, he returned to a devastated Earth, where he prevented Luthor from installing himself as dictator in Metropolis. At the conclusion of the story, Kal-El chose to give up his power ring and remain on his homeworld, where he could put his knowledge of Kryptonian science to work on reclaiming the planet. Back on Krypton, Jor-El and Lara became the leaders of a movement to restore the lost glory of Krypton's culture.”

Last Stand picks up the story 11 years later and deals with Kal-El's return to his adoptive planet, where Jor-El and Lara's "restorationist" movement has brought Kryptonian society to the brink of civil war.

<a href="http://classic.newsarama.com/DC/SMLSK1a.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://classic.newsarama.com/DC/SMLSK1a_t.jpg" width="125" alt="Superman: Last Stand On Krypton" height="187" border="0" align="left"></a>“It also features a new version of General Zod, an utterly insane Luthor, a little homage to the Jerry Siegel-Curt Swan ‘Death of Superman’ story, a Phantom Zone projector and a stampede of Kryptonian ‘Thought-Beasts’," said Gerber. “You may even see a Balloonie or two.”

Gerber said these three stories aren’t just an exploration of an alternate reality shaped around the Superman mythos…

“How to say this without frightening people away?” asked the writer. “The entire Last Son series, and particularly this third installment, is about the perverse human (and Kryptonian) instinct to destroy whatever is kindest to us. Unfortunately, I can't be more specific than that without giving away some of the story's most dramatic moments.”

JLA/The Spectre: Soul War reunites the JLA with their estranged ex-teammate Hal Jordan, but according to DC, “in a most unexpected way!”

”The Spectre and the JLA form an uneasy alliance when the minds of psychics across the country are hijacked by an entity called the Trans - a devastating alien menace that threatens the fabric of reality itself!” reads DC’s description of the project.

“Our heroes discover that the only way to defeat such an overwhelmingly powerful opponent is...to become one! The League is compelled to combine forces with the former Green Lantern…in spite of Batman’s objections. But the question now is: Can the JLA be trusted with the awesome power of the Spectre?”

“Soul War is a bittersweet reteaming of old friends that changes the relationship of Hal and the JLA for good!”

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<a href="http://classic.newsarama.com/DC/JLASpectre-Soulwar1.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://classic.newsarama.com/DC/JLASpectre-Soulwar1_t.jpg" width="125" height="190" hspace="1" border="0" alt="JLA/The Spectre: Soul War"></a><a href="http://classic.newsarama.com/DC/JLASpectre-Soulwar1a.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://classic.newsarama.com/DC/JLASpectre-Soulwar1a_t.jpg" width="125" height="190" hspace="1" border="0" alt="JLA/The Spectre: Soul War"></a>


<a href="http://classic.newsarama.com/Image/Micro_4_02_COL.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://classic.newsarama.com/Image/Micro_4_02_COL_t.jpg" width="125" height="190" border="0" alt="MICONAUTS #4 by E.J. Su" align="right"></a> ITEM! Late last week Image Comics and Devil’s Due announced a few changes to its Micronauts ongoing series (which goes monthly with issue #5), changes that include a brand new regular writer in one Dan (Obergeist, JSA: The Liberty Files) Jolley.

First off, the publisher announced artist E.J. (Techjacket) Su will be filling in as penciler on Micronauts #4-5, following penciler Eric Wolfe Hanson's departure from the title. After Su's two-issue stint, Micronauts #6-7 will be drawn by Italian artist Stephano Caselli.

"E.J., for the first time, is injecting a bit of the manga element of the Japanese-based Micronauts into the comics, and it's looking really sharp," said Devil's Due's Josh Blaylock. "Hi-Fi Color is meshing so well with him, too, and I think people are really going to dig his stint on this book."

Blaylock also noted Su's and Caselli's guest-spots on Micronauts were scheduled to give artist Steve Kurth time to complete the upcoming Karza mini-series with writer Jim Krueger while also getting a solid head start on penciling Micronauts #8.

"Steve's really one of the most reliable artists I've ever worked with, and on top of that, he's the biggest Micronauts geek I know," Blaylock added. "With Karza, he's building on what he learned on GI JOE, but with much more freedom than the style of that book allowed. People are really going to be surprised by his work on Karza, and by the time he starts on Micronauts, this boy's going to be red hot!"

In addition to the artistic changes Blaylock also revealed when the series goes monthly it’ll begin gearing up for the storyline Image says fans have been clamoring for since the series' debut: Baron Karza's invasion of Earth. But before that though, writer Scott Wherle will leave the title with issue #7, making room for Jolley's debut with #6.

In addition to Micronauts, as previously announced Jolley will also write the second four-issue arc for GI JOE Frontline (issues #5-8) and is also preparing to take on Devil’s Due’s upcoming Voltron series.

"Dan just knocked it out of the park with the script he turned in for GI JOE Frontline #5 and then did it again when we asked him for an outline of the first Voltron arc," Blaylock explained. "He's quickly becoming one of our main go-to guys, but Micronauts fans definitely aren't going to be disappointed. Overall, I'm really excited about this whole direction - the book is going monthly, the characters are finally together as a team and we're ready to amp up the action with the upcoming ‘Invasion’ storyline!"

Additional preview image of Su’s first issue can he found at <a href="http://www.imagecomics.com" target="_blank">www.imagecomics.com</a>

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Gerson Agena
11-05-2002, 06:30 AM
The Spectre cancellation is not a surprise. Sales have not been very good on this title. Right now I'm worried about the future of Doom Patrol and Power Company. Both titles are actually selling worse than The Spectre.

Banks' art on the JLA/Spectre special looks good. I might check this one out.

Icewing_X
11-05-2002, 07:58 AM
Scott Kolins drawing a speedster? I thought I'd never see the day. Heh.

Good luck to Lobdell on KISS.

~Icewing, need to order the Rediscovery trade...

cncoyle
11-05-2002, 08:31 AM
I really enjoyed the Spectre series but had to drop it for financial reasons (my poor wallet has no Plastic Man properties). I figured it wouldn't last very long, though. I just hope they can keep Hal relevant. DC should bring back Showcase or something similar to feature frequently under-used characters like Firestorm, Phantom Stranger, Elongated Man (what's he up to, anyway), Fire & Ice, Blue Beetle, Booster Gold (maybe a Blue & Gold mini?), Firehawk, Zatanna, ...man, I could keep going.

xdemon
11-05-2002, 09:50 AM
I didn't think DC would let Hal become a GL again, but man, I really hoped they would.

parksa
11-05-2002, 09:50 AM
[quote]Originally posted by Gerson Agena:
<strong>The Spectre cancellation is not a surprise. Sales have not been very good on this title.</strong><hr></blockquote>


But according to the purists, everything with Hal sells through the roof!

Sorry, I have never cared about the Green Lantern at all, but the silly comments from Alex Ross and his followers have made me want to start buying the current series just for principle.

Wade @ Sighnub.com
11-05-2002, 10:05 AM
I loved the Spectre series. It was smart. It didn't talk down to me, and I believe it was respectful to Hal and the Spectre continuities.

That being said, I think we can see now that Hal Jordan doesn't have it in him to sell a book right now. That's not to say that a Hal Jordan as Green Lantern book wouldn't sell, but Hal can't do it alone. So how do you figure DC will interpret that?

Will it push them toward shoving the character back towards the GL mythos, or will they use it as evidence that Hal should be pushed further into obscurity.

Aaron
11-05-2002, 10:18 AM
Hal Jordan as Spectre was an ill-conceived idea to start with. The whole series was an attempt to appease the folks who wanted Hal Jordan back, but they missed the point. We wanted Hal back as GL, a bright, shiny silver-age hero with a good heart, not the dark, morose Spectre.

So, if DC takes this as some kind of sign that people really DON'T want Hal Jordan back, they're missing the point yet again. And I pretty much can promise you that if they replaced Clark Kent as Superman with Jimmy Olsen and then spun Kal off into his own series as Mr. Terrific, people would still respond the same way.

Aaron

Brian Langlois
11-05-2002, 10:20 AM
[quote]Originally posted by parksa:
[QB]
But according to the purists, everything with Hal sells through the roof!
[QB]<hr></blockquote>

Well, what we mean is everything with HAL as GREEN LANTERN, the wya he is supposed to be. As a die-hard HAL fan and member of H.E.A.T. I have not bought Spectre at all because it is as much a mockery to HAL's legacy as what Marz and Dooley did to him.

gOgIver
11-05-2002, 10:52 AM
DC Comics are so retarded. Hal Jordan IS GREEN LANTERN not that Blow Dry Boy Kyle. It's Batman AND Robin. Robin is Dick Grayson. Barry Allen is Flash. Superman has a secret ID and is NOT married. Who the hell is running DC? They have no sense of tradition. They should do an ULTIMATE line in the classic tradition. But today DC sucks. Even the Jim Lee Batman could not hold the number one spot on the charts.

Franklin Harris
11-05-2002, 11:06 AM
Warning: The following is not intended for the irony impaired. Parental guidance is suggested.

What are you people talking about? Alan Scott is the one, true Green Lantern. Dolts.

Superman
11-05-2002, 11:09 AM
Q: How many DC fans does it take to change a light bulb?

A: "Change?! Why does it have to change?!!??"

All you Toys R Us kids out there need to...you know.

Brian Langlois
11-05-2002, 12:09 PM
[quote]Originally posted by Superman:
<strong>Q: How many DC fans does it take to change a light bulb?

A: "Change?! Why does it have to change?!!??"

All you Toys R Us kids out there need to...you know.</strong><hr></blockquote>

What's wrong with being a Toys R Us Kid? Toys are fun!

Besides, the Hal/Kyle debate has nothing to do with Change. We're not against CHANGE, we're mad about how Hal was treated durring said change. There werre a million and one other things they could have done and still stayed true to the character of Hal Jordan and the Green Lantern mythos. Instead they threw everything in the dumpster and started from scratch with an unlikeable character. And DC's attitude toward the fans all this tiem has been one of disdain and contempt. I guess they don't need their fans to sell books now do they? CHANGE is not the issue. DISRESPECT to the characters and fans is.

Franklin Harris
11-05-2002, 12:15 PM
Could the Hal/Kyle transition been handled in a way that wouldn't have ticked off Hal fans? Sure. After all, you don't see Barry Allen fans complaining about the Barry/Wally West transition.

KACH
11-05-2002, 12:39 PM
""ITEM! Look for the toy-to-comic connection to continue in 2003, with writer Fabian Nicieza the latest to latest to get caught up in the craze. Nicieza tells Newsarama he’s neck-deep in an ambitious comics project that for the moment must remain nameless…
“The biggest chunk of work I'm involved in isn't even intended for distribution in the comics shops,” he recently told us. “I'm writing a 35-part custom comics program for a major toy company for their worldwide major boys vehicle release throughout 2003. Almost 300 pages of comic material aimed for kids ages 4-7. Possibly bigger than just about any custom comics program done in the history of comics. It's also generating CG-animated episodes for video retail sales and probable network pick up next year.”

Look for more information when it’s available.""


M-M-M-M.A.S.K.!!!

Maybe?

--J.

Starsky_Hutch76
11-05-2002, 01:00 PM
[quote]Originally posted by Superman:
<strong>Q: How many DC fans does it take to change a light bulb?

A: "Change?! Why does it have to change?!!??"

All you Toys R Us kids out there need to...you know.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Notice none of the Flash fans complained about Barry Allen? That's because he was treated with respect. He was killed off, but he was allowed to die heroicly without any stains on his legacy.

Brian Langlois
11-05-2002, 01:19 PM
[quote]Originally posted by KACH:
<strong>
M-M-M-M.A.S.K.!!!
</strong><hr></blockquote>

Damn, I hope so!! That's the one I've been waiting for! M.A.S.K. was so cool, especially because all the vehicles were real cars (licensed by the auto manufacturers). There was nothing cooler than the Red Camaro with the lightning streaks on the hood. Who didn't want that car?

Here's hoping.

John Jakala
11-05-2002, 01:22 PM
[quote]Originally posted by Gerson Agena:
<strong>Right now I'm worried about the future of Doom Patrol and Power Company.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Ah, crap. I really, really, really don't want to see POWER COMPANY get cancelled. PCo fans - is there anything we could be doing to help promote this book? Those of you who currently aren't reading PCo, is there any particular reason why not? I'd really recommend that people check out this series - issues #8 and #9 make a good jumping-on point, I think. You can also check out <a href="http://www.dccomics.com/features/powerco/ecomic/powerco1.html" target="_blank">a short eComic</a> of the series on DC's site. Please check it out! I think Kurt Busiek has really come up with an interesting twist on the team concept (team structured like a law firm, for those who haven't heard about the series before).

William Coate
11-05-2002, 01:51 PM
Change is good but like most people I believe they should have allowed Hal Jordan to die heroicly. Him going insane went way beyond his character and no matter how they justify it- it will never make sense. It was a tragic turn of events when they decided this was the way to go. Yeah it is fiction. But even fiction deserves consistency and when you follow a character you believe in you don't expect them to turn him into a homocidal maniac.

It is too bad...

WC

MichaelCoughlin
11-05-2002, 02:10 PM
Really off topic, but whatever happened with that whole Millar/Liefeld project and all that? Wasn't that supposed to be out in like October?

Wade @ Sighnub.com
11-05-2002, 02:13 PM
Yeah - Liefeld/Millar - Youngblood - Bloodsport - was like 150 on Diamond's list for November.

Holy small, nearly non-existent feet Batman!

Taylor Porter
11-05-2002, 02:22 PM
[quote]Originally posted by John Jakala:
<strong>
Those of you who currently aren't reading PCo, is there any particular reason why not?</strong><hr></blockquote>

Because the preview story in JLA #61 was really, really terrible.

Velvet Glove
11-05-2002, 02:24 PM
Off topic, but while we're talking about projects that never came out, anyone know why Kevin Smith's latest "Daredevil" project "The Target" has only had #1 solicited and the next few have yet to be solicited?

On the Spectre, I have to say I can't imagine Ostrander's astounding 62-issue run in the late '90s will ever be beaten. Felt like he said all that could be said about the concept in that amazing run. I tried a few issues of the new one but never got into it.

John Jakala
11-05-2002, 03:10 PM
[quote]Originally posted by TaylorPorter:
<strong>Because the PCo preview story in JLA #61 was really, really terrible.</strong><hr></blockquote>
I agree it wasn't the strongest story that Busiek has ever done, but I didn't think it was terrible. If you've enjoyed Busiek's past work (such as AVENGERS or THUNDERBOLTS), I think you'd enjoy the more recent issues of POWER COMPANY, which have been much stronger, IMO. I know everyone has to pick and choose what comics they can afford to collect, but I'd urge fans of Busiek's work to give PCo a second chance. I think you'll enjoy the book!

Silver Age Adam
11-05-2002, 03:22 PM
I'm just hoping that the cancellation the Spectre series sets the stage for DC bringing Hal back as a Green Lantern.

This mistake has dragged on long enough, in my opinion.

Kevin T. Brown
11-05-2002, 03:38 PM
[quote]Originally posted by Velvet Glove:
<strong>On the Spectre, I have to say I can't imagine Ostrander's astounding 62-issue run in the late '90s will ever be beaten. Felt like he said all that could be said about the concept in that amazing run. I tried a few issues of the new one but never got into it.</strong><hr></blockquote>


The Skeates/Aparo run was far better. To me, that is what the Spectre is all about..!

Zonker
11-05-2002, 04:00 PM
That would be the Michael Fleisher and Jim Aparo run. Skeates/Aparo was Aquaman.

[quote]Originally posted by Kevin T. Brown:
<strong>


The Skeates/Aparo run was far better. To me, that is what the Spectre is all about..!</strong><hr></blockquote>

KM
11-05-2002, 04:02 PM
[quote]Originally posted by Kevin T. Brown:
<strong>


The Skeates/Aparo run was far better. To me, that is what the Spectre is all about..!</strong><hr></blockquote>

Skeates/Aparo? Don't you mean Fleisher/Aparo?

Zonker
11-05-2002, 04:09 PM
I'm sure more obsessive minds than my own have suggested this before, but I thought DC had an out (at least before the Hal-as-Spectre twist brought the Almighty into this continuity!)

Remember Hal's alter-ego Pol Manning created by the Power Ring and left in the far future of the Solar Director series? (Way back in the 1960's GL #51 or so). If I remember correctly, at one time the Pol Manning construct believed himself to be Hal/GL/Solar Director.

So what if Pol changed places with Hal during some Untold Tale, and it was Pol who went through all the Emerald Twilight stuff, died, etc.? I know, I know, it's lame and smacks of the Spider-Man clone saga, but how else would you bring back Hal as GL? (Bobby Ewing dream scenarios need not apply!)

Cheers,
Z.

[quote]Originally posted by Silver Age Adam:
<strong>I'm just hoping that the cancellation the Spectre series sets the stage for DC bringing Hal back as a Green Lantern.

This mistake has dragged on long enough, in my opinion.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Taylor Porter
11-05-2002, 04:26 PM
[quote]Originally posted by John Jakala:
<strong>
If you've enjoyed Busiek's past work (such as AVENGERS or THUNDERBOLTS)... </strong><hr></blockquote>

Yeah, well, sorry, but I didn't. I found his Avengers work to be cliched and old-fashioned. Power Company also seemed to be cliched. The heroes-as-lawyers twist is a little different, but most of the heroes look like they would fit better in a DC comic from the late 80s. Every issue I've flipped through looks like it could be a back-issue of some obscure DC comics from 15 years ago that I've just never heard of before.

Brian Langlois
11-05-2002, 04:42 PM
[quote]Originally posted by Zonker:
<strong>I'm sure more obsessive minds than my own have suggested this before, but I thought DC had an out (at least before the Hal-as-Spectre twist brought the Almighty into this continuity!)

Remember Hal's alter-ego Pol Manning created by the Power Ring and left in the far future of the Solar Director series? (Way back in the 1960's GL #51 or so). If I remember correctly, at one time the Pol Manning construct believed himself to be Hal/GL/Solar Director.

So what if Pol changed places with Hal during some Untold Tale, and it was Pol who went through all the Emerald Twilight stuff, died, etc.? I know, I know, it's lame and smacks of the Spider-Man clone saga, but how else would you bring back Hal as GL? (Bobby Ewing dream scenarios need not apply!)

Cheers,
Z.

</strong><hr></blockquote>

Good Call Zonker. The Spectre thing really messed up all my ideas for Hal's return because it is important that Hal not just go back to being GL but to be COMPLETELY EXONORATED of all wrong doing. That is the only thing that is acceptable. Some of my wild ideas involved Parallax Hal being a Manhunter robot, or even an older version of Hal as Monarch (from 2001). The point is that Hal Jordan was a hero and would NEVER have done what those hacks made him do. The Spectre deal really complicates things, but it's still possible. We can still win!

"Small sales didn't kill Hal Jordan, small minds did." - John Byrne

Kevin T. Brown
11-05-2002, 05:17 PM
KM & Zonker,

Thanks for the correction! :) You're both right and I still think that was the best Spectre series. (Even though I picked the wrong writer...)

COREMARK
11-05-2002, 05:37 PM
I tried a few issues of Spectre but I couldn't get into it, looking forward to the JLA/Spectre mini though. I hope DC doesn't think about cancelling Doom Patrol though as it is one of my favourite books.

Michael P
11-05-2002, 05:50 PM
You know, when people can arouse more righteous indignation over the events of a fictional character's life than over the literally thousands of REAL miscarraiges of justice (legal and otherwise) that happen very day, I understand why people say comics is a owrthless medium.

Scott Wherle
11-05-2002, 06:01 PM
[quote]Originally posted by michaelDORAN:
<strong>After Su's two-issue stint, Micronauts #6-7 will be drawn by Italian artist Stephano Caselli.<hr></blockquote></strong>

It's Stefano.

[quote]<strong>In addition to the artistic changes Blaylock also revealed when the series goes monthly it’ll begin gearing up for the storyline Image says fans have been clamoring for since the series' debut: Baron Karza's invasion of Earth. But before that though, writer Scott Wherle will leave the title with issue #7, making room for Jolley's debut with #6.<hr></blockquote></strong>

My last issue as writer is #5, the conclusion of the REVOLUTION arc. Issues 6 and 7 were intended as a lead in to the invasion story to begin in Issue 8. Oh, and I didn't leave the book. I'm just not writing it anymore.

I know these stories are just cut and pasted, but I keep reading the same incorrect information on all the news sites.

John Jakala
11-05-2002, 06:20 PM
[quote]Originally posted by TaylorPorter:
<strong>Yeah, well, sorry, but I didn't. I found his Avengers work to be cliched and old-fashioned.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Hey, no apologies necessary - I know people have different tastes and that not everyone would enjoy POWER COMPANY. That's why I tried to qualify it by saying that fans of Busiek's other superhero work would likely enjoy PCo. For what it's worth, I didn't particularly care for Kurt's AVENGERS, either. But I did enjoy his THUNDERBOLTS. The first few issues (1-3) of PCo reminded me of his AVENGERS run, but recent issues of PCo have been more like THUNDERBOLTS in my opinion (that feeling of "anything could happen").

xdemon
11-05-2002, 06:33 PM
[quote]Originally posted by Brian Langlois:
<strong>

Damn, I hope so!! That's the one I've been waiting for! M.A.S.K. was so cool, especially because all the vehicles were real cars (licensed by the auto manufacturers). There was nothing cooler than the Red Camaro with the lightning streaks on the hood. Who didn't want that car?

Here's hoping.</strong><hr></blockquote>

To get a fix in the meantime, watch "Monster Garage" on Discovery Channel, 7pm Central. They have 7 days to turn a vehicle into something else with 2 more restrictions: They have $3,000 and the car must look stock after conversion. Last night, they turned a 98 Beetle into a swamp riding airboat! And it worked!

Danilo Raul
11-05-2002, 07:47 PM
[quote]Originally posted by Brian Langlois:
<strong>

Well, what we mean is everything with HAL as GREEN LANTERN, the wya he is supposed to be. As a die-hard HAL fan and member of H.E.A.T. I have not bought Spectre at all because it is as much a mockery to HAL's legacy as what Marz and Dooley did to him.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Seeeshhhhhhsssss...... :rolleyes:

paulski
11-05-2002, 11:01 PM
[quote]Originally posted by gOgIver:
<strong>DC Comics are so retarded. Hal Jordan IS GREEN LANTERN not that Blow Dry Boy Kyle. It's Batman AND Robin. Robin is Dick Grayson. Barry Allen is Flash. Superman has a secret ID and is NOT married. Who the hell is running DC? They have no sense of tradition. They should do an ULTIMATE line in the classic tradition. But today DC sucks. Even the Jim Lee Batman could not hold the number one spot on the charts.</strong><hr></blockquote>

I don't understand. Was this satire?

Sean Walsh
11-05-2002, 11:35 PM
[quote]Originally posted by Gerson Agena:
<strong>The Spectre cancellation is not a surprise. Sales have not been very good on this title. Right now I'm worried about the future of Doom Patrol and Power Company. Both titles are actually selling worse than The Spectre.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Considering that SPECTRE lasted 27 issues with sales like what it had, I'd say the doom and gloom that may surround DOOM PATROL and POWER CO. - books that've had considerable acclaim, the kind that SPECTRE didn't have IIRC - could be safely put on the back burner for a while...

Sean
:)

Michael P
11-06-2002, 12:53 AM
[quote]Originally posted by paulski:
<strong>

I don't understand. Was this satire?</strong><hr></blockquote>

Pray that it is. The alternative is too horrible to contemplate.

William Coate
11-06-2002, 01:41 AM
Michael P What is worthless about caring about something passionately? Sometimes people care about fictional characters because of what it meant to their lives. I suppose that is somehow meaningless to you. I wonder why you even made a comment?? Do you care about things so passionately on World Affairs websites and make comments there? Just wondering exactly where are you coming from???

William Coate

Thunderbolt
11-06-2002, 02:48 AM
I've been waiting for a long time for the news of the cancellation of this Spectre series. As a fan of the original Spectre, I can now hope that DC will eventually see fit to stop wasting the character as a sop to Hal Jordan fans :-P

William Coate
11-06-2002, 01:59 PM
I guess Michael P has nothing to say!!!

It goes to show some thought really isn't much thought after all.

WC

adwomack
11-06-2002, 08:45 PM
[quote]Originally posted by Velvet Glove:
<strong>Off topic, but while we're talking about projects that never came out, anyone know why Kevin Smith's latest "Daredevil" project "The Target" has only had #1 solicited and the next few have yet to be solicited?

On the Spectre, I have to say I can't imagine Ostrander's astounding 62-issue run in the late '90s will ever be beaten. Felt like he said all that could be said about the concept in that amazing run. I tried a few issues of the new one but never got into it.</strong><hr></blockquote>

adwomack
11-06-2002, 08:47 PM
[quote]Originally posted by Velvet Glove:
<strong>Off topic, but while we're talking about projects that never came out, anyone know why Kevin Smith's latest "Daredevil" project "The Target" has only had #1 solicited and the next few have yet to be solicited?

.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Joe Quesada has stated that Kevin Smith is yet again late with scripts.

Velvet Glove
11-06-2002, 09:51 PM
[quote]Originally posted by adwomack:
<strong>

Joe Quesada has stated that Kevin Smith is yet again late with scripts.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Sheesh. And they want to give this guy a MONTHLY Spider-Man book to do? Both Black Cat and now this are beyond late. I enjoy the man's writing, but not so much that I find waiting 3-4 months between issues worthwhile.

paulski
11-06-2002, 10:46 PM
[quote]Originally posted by William Coate:
<strong>I guess Michael P has nothing to say!!!

It goes to show some thought really isn't much thought after all.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Because, of course, he should have dropped everything at once just to respond to your post. How inconsiderate of him.

William Coate
11-07-2002, 12:13 AM
Well actually Paulski the second comment was stated several hours after the previous response which to me means he is not interested in explaining his comments which read more like an insult to those who cared about fictional characters. But I suppose you didn't care enough to look at the lapse in time between the posts.

Ladies and Gentlemen another Genius is among us!!!

WC

William Coate
11-07-2002, 12:22 AM
I suppose the real question is if this is a worthless medium why does he bother to make comments?

He's got plenty of comments about it.

I guess some comments are worthless...

WC

paulski
11-07-2002, 03:51 AM
[quote]Originally posted by William Coate:
<strong>Well actually Paulski the second comment was stated several hours after the previous response which to me means he is not interested in explaining his comments which read more like an insult to those who cared about fictional characters. But I suppose you didn't care enough to look at the lapse in time between the posts.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Well, actually, 'Willie', you presume wrong. I did check - just over 12 hours to be precise. Hardly enough time to get your knickers in a knot just because someone didn't respond to your post. I probably wouldn't have responded either, going by some of your past inane comments.

[quote]<strong>Ladies and Gentlemen another Genius is among us!!! </strong><hr></blockquote>

Not sure who you're talking about. My IQ's a little below genius level. And from all indications, you certainly don't fit the bill.

[/flame mode]

paulski
11-07-2002, 04:03 AM
[quote]Originally posted by William Coate:
<strong>I suppose the real question is if this is a worthless medium why does he bother to make comments?

He's got plenty of comments about it.

I guess some comments are worthless...</strong><hr></blockquote>

Nah, I'll leave it alone. Just too easy... :D

William Coate
11-07-2002, 05:13 AM
Too easy or too hard Pauski?

Maybe it is too hard for you to figure it out.

Just because I am passionate does not make me inane or insane. It's time to get over yourself. And PLEASE stop fighting other people's battles.
At this point it doesn't seem you have much of an IQ no matter what you say.

I would say... Nah your not worth the time.

WC

William Coate
11-07-2002, 05:16 AM
Oh and by the way Pukeski have you noticed your little friend STILL hasn't responded. If you got something to say you really got to back it up or like usual you're just gonna look very stupid...

WC

William Coate
11-07-2002, 06:00 PM
Like I thought nothing to say. Oh wait 12 hours is not enough time to respond.

WC

paulski
11-07-2002, 06:30 PM
[quote]Originally posted by William Coate:
<strong>Oh and by the way Pukeski have you noticed your little friend STILL hasn't responded. If you got something to say you really got to back it up or like usual you're just gonna look very stupid...

WC</strong><hr></blockquote>

Pukeski? Just how old are you?

William Coate
11-07-2002, 08:09 PM
Nice touch huh!?!?!

WC

William Coate
11-07-2002, 08:17 PM
It is still quite funny that you avoid the question at hand. I know you don't even intend on answering why this is such a worthless medium.
Too easy? Can you explain?

WC

woodstock
11-07-2002, 09:49 PM
[quote]Originally posted by gOgIver:
<strong>DC Comics are so retarded. Hal Jordan IS GREEN LANTERN not that Blow Dry Boy Kyle. It's Batman AND Robin. Robin is Dick Grayson. Barry Allen is Flash. Superman has a secret ID and is NOT married. Who the hell is running DC? They have no sense of tradition. They should do an ULTIMATE line in the classic tradition. But today DC sucks. Even the Jim Lee Batman could not hold the number one spot on the charts.</strong><hr></blockquote>

<a href="http://www.imperialmotorsports.com/otpics/If%20I%20Had%205%20Cents%20I'd%20Shoot%2 0You.jpg" target="_blank">You, my friend, are a moron!</a>

Elayne Riggs
11-08-2002, 11:12 AM
[quote]Originally posted by William Coate:
<strong>Like I thought nothing to say. Oh wait 12 hours is not enough time to respond.</strong><hr></blockquote>

For people who clearly consider comics, and comics message boards, only a small part of their lives? It's extremely reasonable not to expect a reply for several days. I've had a very busy few days at work, for instance, and this is the first chance I've had to check out Newsarama in a couple of days. Not everyone is obsessive or has a surfeit of leisure time, William.

- Elayne

William Coate
11-08-2002, 01:35 PM
I understand your point Elayne but Micheal P had responded to others within that time period avoiding the question completely and then Paulski comes along and has some kind of personal vendetta against me and offered little insight to the question involved.

Why do they consider comics a worthless medium when people defend or care for fictional characters? Micheal P never even attempted to reply and Paulski stated it was "too easy" but never explained what the heck that meant.

So I am a bit perturbed by their attitudes and feel that their responses were more like insults than actual meaningful responses. And I think they know that because they have no interest in answering my question.

William Coate

Elayne Riggs
11-08-2002, 06:30 PM
[quote]Originally posted by William Coate:
<strong>Why do they consider comics a worthless medium when people defend or care for fictional characters?</strong><hr></blockquote>

I think it's hard to have anyone take you (the general "you", not the specific) seriously when you appear to treat fictional characters as more important than real people. That's a problem I personally have with a lot of fans. I love reading stories, you know, but to me none of the characters in these stories take on more importance than the people who write and draw them, or than my family and friends. They're fictional constructs whose world I enjoy visiting from the time I pick up a book until the time I put it down. Now if you'll excuse me, my evening commute and David Eddings book is a'calling, gotta find out what those characters are up to for the next 45 minutes.

- Elayne

John Osen
11-08-2002, 06:32 PM
[quote]Originally posted by Elayne Riggs:
<strong>

I think it's hard to have anyone take you (the general "you", not the specific) seriously when you appear to treat fictional characters as more important than real people. That's a problem I personally have with a lot of fans. I love reading stories, you know, but to me none of the characters in these stories take on more importance than the people who write and draw them, or than my family and friends. They're fictional constructs whose world I enjoy visiting from the time I pick up a book until the time I put it down. Now if you'll excuse me, my evening commute and David Eddings book is a'calling, gotta find out what those characters are up to for the next 45 minutes.

- Elayne</strong><hr></blockquote>

Agreed and nice to see you back Elayne! :D

J.C. Bakken
11-08-2002, 09:18 PM
[quote]Originally posted by William Coate:
<strong>Well actually Paulski the second comment was stated several hours after the previous response which to me means he is not interested in explaining his comments which read more like an insult to those who cared about fictional characters. But I suppose you didn't care enough to look at the lapse in time between the posts.

Ladies and Gentlemen another Genius is among us!!!

WC</strong><hr></blockquote>

No, no, Pauski is the dude formally known as a genius. I am the current genius, in a bottle I might ad, and guess what; Micheal P hasn't posted to the board since his remark up there, so I'm guessing he hasen't botherd with you again. Much like I'm going to do, until next time I look at my post and see if there's any answers.

All though, if you don't answer to this, you answered as well.

J.C. Bakken
11-08-2002, 09:21 PM
Me thinks goGiver is joking, and I think it's quite obvious.

On another note, is it not possible for people in our world, you know the real one?; to go insane?
I mean, even if we are ever so heroic? Can that not happen?

Ah, just give Kyle and Hal to Axel Alonso, he'll know what to to with the whole mess. ;)

William Coate
11-08-2002, 10:53 PM
Elayne from my point of view I do understand the difference between non-fictional and fictional characters but there is also a standard by which most people uphold when using a character that has been around for more than ten years. It is a consistency, not just in his actions, but in his personality. Be it Clark Kent, Sherlock Holmes, Bugs Bunny (yeah Bugs Bunny) to Flash Gordon, these characters act a certain way, have certain values or no values, and function in a certain way. When you depart from those actions then you derail a lot of previous work done by the creators and other people who worked on the character. I understand that DC owns the character and has the right to do whatever they want but it would be nice to have a little respect for the past. Is that too hard to understand? I honestly don't think so. And no it doesn't effect my daily life and there are greater crimes in the world while the dominate power of the world wants to terrorize and control how other people live so that they can exploit and destroy others who threaten that power. Yeah I am aware of that. But since I have no power to change that I certainly will try to influence others to have some morality where ever possible.

I don't collect I read the books I do buy and I am not a fan who buys every title or for that matter any superheroes currently. I am in it for the story as well, but hey some things need to stay consistent. I wonder how people would feel if this happened to Clark Kent or Bruce Wayne. Are they throw away characters as well? I suppose no one cares...

And J.C. Bakken I am not sure I understand your point, if you had one, but I am quite aware that Micheal P never answered my inquiry. It was mentioned several times. It still remains to be seen who is the genius. NO ONE in their responses has reflected any form of genius potential. Sorry but it is true.

William Coate

TTROY
11-09-2002, 03:32 PM
Have no one has shown any genius potential in their responses..... oh the irony - after reading your reponses....
Well i guess you win the message board troll award for this thread Williams - take a bow.

William Coate
11-10-2002, 03:39 AM
Look who's talking!!! You wouldn't know irony if it kissed you on the ass.

Like Red Foreman would say "DUMBASS!!"

WC

William Coate
11-10-2002, 04:20 AM
By the way TTROLL it amazes me that you even know how to read!!!

Gees Louise!!! When did it become a crime to have a ****ing opinion!?!?!

Why exactly are you even commenting? What purpose do you serve? Are you really that lonely that all you can do is serve up insults? If you look carefully at my remarks I never claimed to be a genius. I was only making a point to the two retards that did.

Yeah, yeah I am still commenting. So ****ing what! I am interested in honest answers with some true insight. But what do I find? The last lonely retard who thinks he has a purpose! Move on and grow up. It is okay to leave your parents house and get married to some woman so that you may procreate. Oh yeah I forgot you are not into that. Well at least you can try!?!?!

WC

Elayne Riggs
11-10-2002, 09:27 AM
[quote]Originally posted by William Coate:
<strong>Elayne from my point of view I do understand the difference between non-fictional and fictional characters...</strong><hr></blockquote>

Heh, not necessarily if you're calling the non-fictional ones "characters" instead of "people." Although come to think of it, I do know a lot of "characters" in real life. :)

[quote]<strong>but there is also a standard by which most people uphold when using a character that has been around for more than ten years.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Here's where I think you run into trouble. I don't think one can generalize "most people" as easily as you do. Different people, be they writers or artists or just readers, look at characters, well, differently. They all have different personality "standards" that they use, and their interpretation of those characters will vary accordingly.

- Eayne

William Coate
11-10-2002, 01:49 PM
THIS HAS BEEN REVISED. READ IT AGAIN.

Of course the interpretation will vary but the personality of the character is dependent on some consistency. Take for example Sherlock Holmes. He has been handled in a variety of ways but would you say that there has been a drastic departure from his personality, mostly used in movies that play off the books established by Sir Conan Doyle?
His personality is exactly why people are interested in him. His complexities are revealed carefully throughout as he solves a mystery. He is a famous detective with interesting personality traits that is thrown in various adventures because of his personality not despite it. That is an important thing to note. People want to go to a movie to see a character they believe they know. Almost like an old friend. Departing from his personality or character can make or break that relationship. And that is what it comes down to. Readers and viewers have developed a relationship with these characters. That is what these companies want so that they can make money.

The conflict writers face when using a character that has been around for a while IS making things new without changing the basic principles of the character.

Another example is John Constantine. He has developed in a variety of ways that is built a on his mysterious past but essentially he is the same individual with personal demons who tries to do the right thing. His personality is unique in many ways. He has had many writers interpret his adventures but his personality has never changed. Sure they built on the nuances of what is his past and what he is confronted in the present guaranteeing a challenging future. That is what characterization is all about.

I feel safe in saying most people because I have faith that writers are trying to remain faithful to the character. Of course that doesn't always happen but one can always hope.

It's kind of like what Bryan Singer did for the X-Men as he explained to Charlie Rose he tried to have respect of what the characters are and what they have been because a lot of "fans" respect it and he wanted to respect what they represent to those people. Of course I am paraphrasing but if you do have the X-Men DVD you should check it out. It is an interesting conversation about handling characters and maintaining consistency and showing that you do understand what they mean to others and how they should be represented based on their uniqueness and their personalities.
As he noted consistency is important.

Sure interpretation is important and always changes but characterization is also important and needs to stay the same for the interpretation to work.

William Coate

William Coate
11-11-2002, 06:45 PM
That's right! I am still around and am interested in any INTELLIGENT responses.

WC