DO YOU PLAN ON READING DC's 52?

[MattBrady]

<a href="http://www.newsarama.com/dcnew/52/52Cv1.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://www.newsarama.com/dcnew/52/52Cv1_t.jpg" border="0" width="200" height="302" alt="52: Week 1 cover"/ align="right"></a>Now that DC has announced the cover price ($2.50), plus the full creative roster, and storyline details of the May-debuting weekly series <b>52</b>, we want to get an idea how many of our readers plan of making it a part of their weekly "pulls"...

Are you on board from start to finish? Will you give it a try for a while? Still don't know? Not interested at all?

We want to hear from you. And as always, <i>all</i> Newsarama readers can participate, you don't have to be a registered member.

So scroll back and tell us what <i>your</i> <b>52</b> plans are?

[adamcasey]

Yes, yes, y'all.

[sloria13]

Yeah, I had committed once word first broke out about this project...

[ColourMan]

No. I'm not spending $210 on this (I'm Canadian). I'll wait for the cheaper, collected edition or just pick up specific issues featuring my favourite characters.

[Squashua]

I am quite stuck buying it; in fact, I told the comic shop owner about the price change, etc. the minute I heard about it. He found out from DIamond about 5 hours later.

[algertman]

Buying it all

[algertman]

Originally posted by Squashua
I am quite stuck buying it; in fact, I told the comic shop owner about the price change, etc. the minute I heard about it. He found out from DIamond about 5 hours later.

price change? When did they ever change the price?

[AndrewP]

I'm getting all of it. $2.50 a week isn't that bad.

[Ricochet]

I wont be, I cant afford it

[Punchy]

All of it, but I may share the burden with my brother, maybe alternate months?

Booster Gold and Question are too good to pass up, I'm glad DC is moving away from crossovermania.

[Garth Rockett]

I'm planning on being there every week.

[Sean Walsh]

I've found myself taking a lot of comics off my pull list in recent weeks, mostly to save money.

But still, that basically means I can afford this series now. :)

[tesh_karde]

where is the option to buy it in trade a year later?

[Kevin T. Brown]

$2.50 a week? Chump change. Definitely buying all issues.

[worldsfinest]

I am not that interested in the characters that are going to star in this series. I am interested in the New History of the Dc universe and Black Adam but is that going to make this series worth the price?

[MajorPain]

I plan on getting it for awhile, if it starts to suck then I'm dropping it, I already buy way to much from DC as it ^_^

[von Doom, M.D.]

It's a matter of expense. What DC should do at the end of every month is put the 4 issues from that month into a collected edition. Not really a trade, but like Marvel's Must-Haves.

[Black_Canary]

I will be. It just means bringing lunch from home a couple of times a week instead of eating out at lunch during work.

[malshnut]

I'll wait for the trades.

[palefire]

Originally posted by von Doom, M.D.
It's a matter of expense. What DC should do at the end of every month is put the 4 issues from that month into a collected edition. Not really a trade, but like Marvel's Must-Haves.

Great idea, but they will not do it.

I'll check this one out, and if I like it and the budget isn't being killed by this and other books I think I want, I'll keep going. If it turns out to not be my cup of tea - good bye. If it's OK but there are a lot of other books I want that strain the budget - it's time to make the difficult choices. It's good to have choices.

[S3ntry]

I thing it's one of the most innovating ideas I have ever heard and Morrisson yeah baby!!!!!But actually no Baby!I simply can't give 10 $ per month even though I regret it I knew it from the begining.I will be bying the TBP though...
So 1 but damn it!!!!!!!

[Bakema NL]

Originally posted by Black_Canary
I will be. It just means bringing lunch from home a couple of times a week instead of eating out at lunch during work.

See, it isn't that hard. When you're eating out you know you just screw yourself, but almost everybody is fine with that, but oh oh oh these comics are so expensive. A simple way to scrape your comics money together if you're tight on budget.
I'm getting all of it, or I must be very disappointed by it along the way, but I don't count on it.

[BerkeleyHunt]

Gotta get 'em all. Bring it on!

[amlah6]

I'm on the fence, but it's more likely that I'm going to skip it.

[tof]

I plan on getting all of the issues unless I really dislike what I'll be reading. However with such a creative team it would probably be difficult to be disappointed.

[Hammer]

I'm in. Getting them all.:D

[Zeitgeist]

No interest at all, no matter what the price is

[Amoebas]

I'm in for all 52

Originally posted by von Doom, M.D.
What DC should do at the end of every month is put the 4 issues from that month into a collected edition. Not really a trade, but like Marvel's Must-Haves. Totally against DC doing this and I simply love that they will wait until this series is over before any trades come out.

I'm just not of those people who ignore a TV series when it runs normally and then get the DVD collection at the end of the season. (If everyone who bought the DVD's of Arrested Development had watched the show and talked about it during the season, the show might not be in it's current perilous state).

Same thing for comics. I'd much rather read the book and get the chance to talk about it rather than wait and then try to drum up conversations that others held a year earlier.

[Punchy]

Originally posted by Amoebas
I'm in for all 52

Totally against DC doing this and I simply love that they will wait until this series is over before any trades come out.

I'm just not of those people who ignore a TV series when it runs normally and then get the DVD collection at the end of the season. (If everyone who bought the DVD's of Arrested Development had watched the show and talked about it during the season, the show might not be in it's current perilous state).

Same thing for comics. I'd much rather read the book and get the chance to talk about it rather than wait and then try to drum up conversations that others held a year earlier.

That's a bit selfish isn't it?

[Paradiso]

With the discount at DCBS, this is going to cost me about $80 for the full year. $80 for being entertained weekly by what is the great creative team ever to work on a comic book project together? Yeah, I am in for all 52.

[Twigglet]

Nope. I would rather get 4/5 other comics a month.

[80's Prodigy]

I'm looking forward to 52 mainly because it features a trio of my favorite characters;

Booster Gold
The Question
Black Adam

And after being a Marvel collecting family (starting in the early 1950's with my grandfather) I've gone with 98% with DC.

[CMARTIN]

I am going to get them all. Even though it seems like they are mostly going to focus on characters like Booster Gold, I still like to collect all the major events, and this is one of them.

http://stores.ebay.com/Chris-Martins-Comic-Book-Store_W0QQsspagenameZMEQ3aFQ3aSTQQtZkm

[jedifish]

I plan on reading/buying all 52 issues of 52.

[brett]

Hey, it's cheaper than a pack of cigarettes and will last longer too.

I'm buying!

[Moonbeam]

A couple fewer trips to the pop machine each week and I get to read hours every month of stories by Greg Rucka, Geoff Johns, Grant Morrison and Mark Waid? With Joe Bennett, Keith Giffen and J.G. Jones to boot? And it touches on every character in the DC universe, particularly the ones I love so much?

Duh. It's a no-brainer.

I'm in. All 52.

[tof]

Originally posted by Punchy
That's a bit selfish isn't it?

Seems more logical than selfish as proven by his Arrested Development comment. It's the same reason why you can't buy a movie in DVD the same day as the opening in movie theaters: if you want both channels (theater/dvd or monthlies/trades) to survive, you have to make sure that each channel has its own advantage (getting something early vs getting the same thing cheaper).

[Adam Sasher]

Buying and reading all 52 issues there is no other option in my world! :D

[chonk34]

I'm still on the fence. It really depends on what sort of discounts my comic book service offers. I've been allocating more time and resources to my other hobbies lately, so I may have to give this a pass.

[melperfect]

No.

The answer would have been yes a month ago, but I just recently set a pretty strict comics budget and realistically should not add what equates to 4 more monthly titles.

Don't get me wrong though, I think that it's a great idea and I would love to see more weekly titles happen in the future, but as I was number crunching at home, I realized that $100 plus a month I was spending on comics would be better served elsewhere.

As prices go up, comics are not a luxury I'm willing to afford further.

[Vazquez]

Gotta get em all!

[bgibbons]

I'll be getting the trades in 2007... assuming I'm still interested in the series by that point, which is a big if.

It's ironic that, even though I'm far more interested in the DC universe, I read more Marvel books than DC, due to their superior trade program.

[dantebk]

Yes, almost definitely getting every issue

I'm not sure why so many people are hung up on what characters they find most interesting. If Geoff Johns, Grant Morrison, Greg Rucka, and Mark Waid want to collaborate on a comic exploring the entire DC Universe -- I'm there!

[I am MODOK]

In for it all.

[space coyote]

I'm getting it all. Its about time Steel got part of the spotlight again:)

[_kingforaday]

I will buy Morrison's issues. If it turns out that the entire series is being written by all four writers collectively, I'll pass altogether.

[RockLeefan]

I would like to say I'd stick around for as long as it is good. However if different writers tackle different arcs it is always going to be a case of "Give this arc a try" and before i know it i'll have them all. The other conundrum is that if i get it on order from my home town i'll only get to read it every 6+ weeks which kind of defeats the purpose of the whole thing.
Some previews would help me out a lot and the back up features to me are a waste - they could have lost them and made it 50 cents to a dollar cheaper.

[Don Mega]

Iīll get em all. Was about time something inovative happened in comics and I wonīt miss out when it finaly happens.

[MrThatGuy]

Originally posted by Twigglet
Nope. I would rather get 4/5 other comics a month.


your ideas intrigue me & i would like to subscribe to your pamphlet... TRANSLATION: never thought about it like that, but i think i may start looking into Y the Last Man or other book of critical acclaim & low sales

i think you've inspired me to have what alcoholics refer to as 'a moment of clarity'... i am indebted to you...

[astronato]

I don't like the direction they are going in with all the new people under the hoods and secret identity switcheroos, so no, I won't be getting 52. I wanted to buy it. I spend a minimum of 300 bucks a month on comics. Hell, I'd buy every comic DC puts out, but they keep killing off or retiring my favorites.

I will spend that money on Marvel and indie comics I would not otherwise have tried.

[lex luthor]

Too many good books out there to get suckered into more crossover madness.

[Mark Thorson]

As long as it stays interesting, I'll buy it.

[COREMARK]

I' ll be buying it all.:D

[doom]

Originally posted by tof
Seems more logical than selfish as proven by his Arrested Development comment. It's the same reason why you can't buy a movie in DVD the same day as the opening in movie theaters: if you want both channels (theater/dvd or monthlies/trades) to survive, you have to make sure that each channel has its own advantage (getting something early vs getting the same thing cheaper).

but arrested development's problem is that it's a fox show, not that people don't watch it. if it happened to have been on nbc, it would probably be fine as they are pretty hit starved, whereas fox likes copycat feaux celebrity game show knock offs and american idol.

[Mac]

Originally posted by doom
but arrested development's problem is that it's a fox show, not that people don't watch it. if it happened to have been on nbc, it would probably be fine as they are pretty hit starved, whereas fox likes copycat feaux celebrity game show knock offs and american idol.


24 doesn't seem to have a problem being huge.

[LiamSavage]

Originally posted by Amoebas
I'm in for all 52

...I simply love that they will wait until this series is over before any trades come out.

Why should you care when the trades come out? Are you just an asshole?

[doom]

Originally posted by Mac
24 doesn't seem to have a problem being huge.

personally, i think 24 is one of the worst shows i have seen and i work in the industry.

american idol is huge, and i think it's crap, too.

i am a "my name is earl" and "lost" kind of guy.

[God-Man]

I'm all in.

[StrangeMark]

I like the idea of it all, but I'm a little concerned about the cost. I was waiting to see who was starring before making my decision... and to be honest the cast doesn't blow me away (I like Question, but the others don't hugely interest me...) and I don't like Joe Bennett's art, so I think what I'll do is buy maybe the first couple of months worth, then decide. The 'History of the DCU' part of it does interest me tho...

[algertman]

Originally posted by doom
personally, i think 24 is one of the worst shows i have seen and i work in the industry.

american idol is huge, and i think it's crap, too.

i am a "my name is earl" and "lost" kind of guy.

24--love it

Idol--Crap in a hat

Earl and Lost--great TV

[Ebon]

I'll give it a try. I doubt I'll pick up all 52 issues unless it just astounds me. I'll cherry-pick issues for characters I like or one that have some important-to-me revelation. If it proves really great, I'll just wait for the 2007 trades.

[YoungTrek]

I'm currently planning to wait for the trades in 2007 (although I suppose that I might change my mind and decide to try out the first batch of issues; really the only thing that's sounded interesting to me so far about this series in the new "History of the DC Universe" stuff).

[Amoebas]

Originally posted by LiamSavage
Why should you care when the trades come out? Are you just an asshole?

Don't you just love it when you express a thought out opinion (like this thread asks for and like how I replied) and someone has to resort to this basement level retort/derailment when they (apparently) don't like that opinion?

[BeastCharming]

Originally posted by LiamSavage
Why should you care when the trades come out? Are you just an asshole?

No, he's just practical and smart. If regular trades during 52 were announced, tons of people wouldn't buy the single issues and wait for the (superior) product. However, by waiting, you drain the profit margin on the original format, and the number crunchers will assume there's no interest in trades.

This is why Marvel's quick churning out of tpb's is actually detrimental to the market in some ways, because people assume they'll have a trade for sure and won't try new things when they first come out, effectively cutting the legs from underneath said new projects.

It's interesting that he brought up an AD comparison, considering tv is free (or at least you pay the same no matter how much you watch), yet many people seem to get into a "wait till it's on dvd" mode. While with comics, individual issues are relatively expensive compared to a trade paperback. So what it boils down to is that the publishers need to come up with ways to guarantee trade paperbacks *and* longevity of a given series. Total commitment on their part is the key. It's a crying shame, for instance, that Gotham Central is only now getting its third trade, while the series itself is canceled. You can't be too fast and you can't wait too long, it's a tricky situation.

In any case, if DC said "there'll be tpb's of 52 every 8 weeks", they'd create a big hole in their sales. Now everyone who's interested will be buying it from the start. On the other hand, if there's a big buzz once it starts and retailers underordered, then they'll have a problem because people don't like to jump in mid-stream anymore.

Ah, comics, gotta love 'em :)

I'm on board for 52, due to price/interest/creators. But is it still going to be called 52 for really real? Wasn't that just the working title? I guess they can't call it "A Year In The Life" or some such ;)

[LiamSavage]

Originally posted by BeastCharming
No, he's just practical and smart. If regular trades during 52 were announced, tons of people wouldn't buy the single issues and wait for the (superior) product. However, by waiting, you drain the profit margin on the original format, and the number crunchers will assume there's no interest in trades.

This is why Marvel's quick churning out of tpb's is actually detrimental to the market in some ways, because people assume they'll have a trade for sure and won't try new things when they first come out, effectively cutting the legs from underneath said new projects.

It's interesting that he brought up an AD comparison, considering tv is free (or at least you pay the same no matter how much you watch), yet many people seem to get into a "wait till it's on dvd" mode. While with comics, individual issues are relatively expensive compared to a trade paperback. So what it boils down to is that the publishers need to come up with ways to guarantee trade paperbacks *and* longevity of a given series. Total commitment on their part is the key. It's a crying shame, for instance, that Gotham Central is only now getting its third trade, while the series itself is canceled. You can't be too fast and you can't wait too long, it's a tricky situation.

In any case, if DC said "there'll be tpb's of 52 every 8 weeks", they'd create a big hole in their sales. Now everyone who's interested will be buying it from the start. On the other hand, if there's a big buzz once it starts and retailers underordered, then they'll have a problem because people don't like to jump in mid-stream anymore.

Ah, comics, gotta love 'em :)

I'm on board for 52, due to price/interest/creators. But is it still going to be called 52 for really real? Wasn't that just the working title? I guess they can't call it "A Year In The Life" or some such ;)

People that don't want other people to have or be able to do something that doesn't affect them are assholes.

If you actually believe the stuff you just said then you are a dinosaur and should be working for DC and Marvel.

[Duke Jupiter]

DC is putting a lot of concerted effort into making 52 an event. It's gonna be good as a result, so it's a no-brainer. I'm in for the duration.

Until Marvel decides to come up with 53, make mine DC.

- DJ

[Tyler Smith]

I voted "not getting it", but, I'll probably get the Morrison issues.

And let me just say that I hate, hate, hate DC's trade policy. Waiting a long time to put out the trade isn't going to make me buy the singles. If they'd put out their Gotham Central trades in a sane, Marvel-esque fashion, they'd have gotten a ton of money, from me...instead, I was only able to buy the first two. I've seen DiDio's comments about wanting to make the comics "more exciting" to get people to "want" the singles, but, come on...if someone prefers a certain format, they aren't going to change their mind just because you killed Obscure Character #3288.

[megadallasex]

Originally posted by Punchy
All of it, but I may share the burden with my brother, maybe alternate months?

Booster Gold and Question are too good to pass up, I'm glad DC is moving away from crossovermania.

Wait, did Punchy just say something positive about DC? Wait, even an infinite crisis related project? Great Odin's Raven!

[bob_at_york]

wow... 55% are planning on buying all the issues even if it is crap. That is surprising.

[Kenro]

2.50 is nothing. I'm down for it.

That's like what, two and a half junior bacon cheeseburgers?

[Marty4Magik]

I'm getting all 52 issues, it's not expensive at all IMO.
$2,50 is a very good price for a comic these days...cheap actually!

Sure, it's out 4 times a month, but you do get 4 comics for 10 bucks, while normally that would get you 3.

I really hope DC pulls it off. 52 issues in one year.
That alone is worth the 2,50 coverprice!

[Bytor-Snowdog]

Color me a DC-crack-ho, I'm hooked for the duration.

Yes. I am that easy.

[SouthtownKid]

Originally posted by StrangeMark
I like the idea of it all, but I'm a little concerned about the cost. I was waiting to see who was starring before making my decision... and to be honest the cast doesn't blow me away (I like Question, but the others don't hugely interest me...) and I don't like Joe Bennett's art, so I think what I'll do is buy maybe the first couple of months worth, then decide. The 'History of the DCU' part of it does interest me tho... Whoa...what the hell... It's like I already posted. Saved me some typing, I guess.

[Bllesed]

yep. gotta catch'em all.

[shanethayer]

I'm not going to buy a book each week. That's just too much. I'll look for other guys that are putting out smaller things.

[Rorschach13]

Double copies, baby! This is gonna be a great series.
And screw the trade-waiters. Yes, I'm that kind of asshole.

[sinister626]

Since I decided that I didn't want Crisis I won't be getting this. I liked the lead in mini's but Crisis was just to much for me...not cost wise but it was very continuity heavy and I'm not that big a fan of DC.

If it turns out Amazing then thats really good for DC but I'm gonna pass.

[tralfaz]

I get comics for cost. Suck on it bitches.

Im getting 52, watchin 24, buying 198, and drinkin a 40!

[Jason Seaver]

Probably not. I'm passing on Identity Crisis anyway, and the "DC Universe" as a whole doesn't really interest me.

[R.Fox]

got to buy'em, got to buy'em, got to buy'em all, chimpoku-man.
:D

[Jedi44529]

I normally wait for the trades, but this is too interesting for me to wait.

[J. Alexander]

Hmmmm. Definitely. The weekly concept intrigues me. I like the idea that every week that I go to my comic shop, Flipside, there will be at least one title that I know will be out. Now, if Rebellion would only get 2000 AD out each week to the stores in the US.

[User Name]

I'm still getting it.

[Astro]

One thing I've noticed is people saying that they don't want to pick up this title because they can instead get 4/5 other comics in a month.

First of all, thats just not true - For about the same amount of money you could get 3 issues of Marvel's books (same being true of most of DC's books as well).

That means that with this series you are getting 4 issues for what you'd usually pay for 3 issues of other comic books - a veritable steal, ESPECIALLY if it has a higher than 22 page count.

Right there, getting the weekly 52 book is better than getting other titles from either publisher.

Secondly, I don't understand why people necessarily think its better to get other titles INSTEAD of 52 sight unseen. 52 has an incredibly strong creative line up -- why not give it a try? How can we make these judgements about the relative pros and cons of picking this up vs a few other titles without actually knowing how good/bad this is going to be?

With 4 different writers on the title, it seems to me that we are going to have either a lot of distinct (but quality) voices or one incredibly different and original voice.

Either way, rather than looking at it as just being able to pick up one comic book insteady of 3, it seems we should be looking at it as picking up 4 comic books instead of three....4 issues a month written by 4 writers.

Says it all, methinks.

[ErictheRed]

2.12 a week with my 15% discount. I plan on getting all 52.

[Punchy]

Originally posted by megadallasex
Wait, did Punchy just say something positive about DC? Wait, even an infinite crisis related project? Great Odin's Raven!

He sure did.

I like DC, but I don't like the basis for IC (Multiple Earths and that), so moving beyond that, and focusing on good ongoing comics is what I want them to do, and they are doing just that.

[SmileOnADog]

On the Fence- I am interested in the Booster Gold and Question angle of the story but the price is too much. I have other titles that I want to spend my money on.

[DeTroyes]

At $2.50 a shot that works out to about $10.00 a month on average. That's two less trips to McDonalds for me.

I'm heavy enough as it is. DC will just contribute to my diet plan.

My main concerns aren't the price point. My main concerns are 1) Whether or not it's a good story (which from what has been released so far, it sounds to me like it will); and 2) It comes out on time with no slippage (DC's track record of late does not give me confidence).

[pez dispenser]

Avoiding it like the plague.....and it has nothing to do with the price.

[deco_la]

I hope I dig it enough to buy 'em all. If they don't do it for me, I'll drop it like... something you drop fast. But w/that writing gang, plus bennet for the kickoff, it's looking mighty good -- and having a new chapter each week, IMO that's fun

[BaronVonLego]

What concerns me most is not the cost of 52, but rather how many folks on the forum are equating the cost to the price of how many burgers they'll have to pass up to afford it.

Perpetuating the stereotype much?

[MatthewSmith]

Wow. Twice as many votes for buying all of 52 than any other option.



Anyway, I'm totally on board for this. Can't wait.

[EmeraldGuy32]

I'm getting them all

[RedRonin]

Originally posted by Astro
One thing I've noticed is people saying that they don't want to pick up this title because they can instead get 4/5 other comics in a month.

First of all, thats just not true - For about the same amount of money you could get 3 issues of Marvel's books (same being true of most of DC's books as well).

That means that with this series you are getting 4 issues for what you'd usually pay for 3 issues of other comic books - a veritable steal, ESPECIALLY if it has a higher than 22 page count.

Right there, getting the weekly 52 book is better than getting other titles from either publisher.

Secondly, I don't understand why people necessarily think its better to get other titles INSTEAD of 52 sight unseen. 52 has an incredibly strong creative line up -- why not give it a try? How can we make these judgements about the relative pros and cons of picking this up vs a few other titles without actually knowing how good/bad this is going to be?

With 4 different writers on the title, it seems to me that we are going to have either a lot of distinct (but quality) voices or one incredibly different and original voice.

Either way, rather than looking at it as just being able to pick up one comic book insteady of 3, it seems we should be looking at it as picking up 4 comic books instead of three....4 issues a month written by 4 writers.

Says it all, methinks. I'm still planing on picking 2/3 other titles instead of 52. Sure the price my be pretty good compaired to other books coming out, but I'd rather take that money and spend it on a title that actually needs it.

I could take that same money and try something new, something that doesn't have all this hype to help sell it.

Even with the somewhat strong line up, IMO (just not into Johns and Waid), it doesn't attract me. I'm not huge fan of DC in the first place, and all of things that I'm enjoying right now (Manhunter and Seven Soldiers) don't really connect to all of IC stuff.

[Dark Light]

I'm on for the full year. I'm a DC guy, and this is a must read for me. It makes you look forward to going to your comic shop on Wednesday, even more.

[Caleb Gerard]

Okay, opening the kettle but at a price point of $2.50 (which may seem cheap nowadays) for each issue of what will most probably NOT be the most new-reader friendly it is VERY clear why BitTorrents exist.
The music industry fought it for years... and Hollywood is coming around to downloading movies as well...

We were debating earlier how much we're going to pay our babysitter (we've never had one so if anyone's got that dollar figure please share 'cause when I was a kid it was $2/hr) and came to a figure of about $5/hr (sound right?) TAX-FREE.
Point of this to this thread is that 1 hour of work (working for us anyhow) will not even get this kid 2 comic books BUT will get 5 songs from iTunes.

Think about it.

Okay, anyone who's got a stone to throw at me I'll just stand outside your glass house waiting for the "thump" (okay, I know this is not ALL of you but Napster was not built on quicksand).

CJG

[Thephanboy]

i was committed the moment they announced this project. DC is hitting home runs out of the part on all their books right now. i am just glad that this hobby of mine is the only adiction i have.

[NickNastyii]

just dont have room in the ole' budget-i may buy issues if the events in them tie into what is happening in the Superman and Batman titles, but otherwise, i'll wait for the trade.

[BaronVonLego]

Originally posted by Caleb Gerard

Point of this to this thread is that 1 hour of work (working for us anyhow) will not even get this kid 2 comic books BUT will get 5 songs from iTunes.

Think about it.


Isn't that a fairly flawed notion? And part of the same flawed aspect of the iTunes store?

Sure, it may buy you five iTunes songs, but you are not buying a tangible product. Whereas if you are buying a comic, you are actually able to hold it in your hands. Humans by nature are very tactile. It tends to lack the emotional impact of ownership if you cannot touch it.

[IronWolf]

I wont be picking it up. just like i stoped buying Ifinite Crisis and i will not be getting Civil war any more. I will choose with my money to not buy "EVENT" comics all these radical changes should happend "In the Book". Those are the words of one Jeph Loeb, some one i'm not a great big fan of but who said something some time ago that i loved. Jeph said that dc was putting things "In The BOok" with regards to his Hush run with jim lee. that to me was great put the big event in the book Hush was cool and you didn't need to get sixty comics to get the story you could still pick up Aquaman and superman and get your new Batman story with great twist in it. Blowing all your cash on an Event that will mean nothing down the line is dumb TO ME. buts that just what i think.

[Caleb Gerard]

Originally posted by BaronVonLego
Isn't that a fairly flawed notion? And part of the same flawed aspect of the iTunes store?

Sure, it may buy you five iTunes songs, but you are not buying a tangible product. Whereas if you are buying a comic, you are actually able to hold it in your hands. Humans by nature are very tactile. It tends to lack the emotional impact of ownership if you cannot touch it.

Not flawed... I'd say it is more of a difference of generations. I could not imagine having my laptop as the only source of reading but I admit that I haven't really read my daily paper much in the last few months with all of it's content on the net.

Are you also saying that you'd rather hold a stock certificate in your hands? That it would make the gain or loss in value more... emotional?

More power to those of us who still buy books (we had to buy a new bookshelf for our house recently) but can you honestly believe that digital comics aren't going to take over some day? Naive if you do. Paper comics will still exist, I'm sure, but mostly as a loss leader (as they really should be anyhow).

Look at the big companies and note that they're now using digitized versions of comics from a couple months ago in hopes of bringing in new readers to the current issues. Folks, She Hulk #1 is now available for download at marvel.com, right.

I'm as certain that I won't win this argument on this site as I am that I'm right.

CJG

[Kamandi2]

Originally posted by lex luthor
Too many good books out there to get suckered into more crossover madness.

That's the best part about 52.

It is guaranteed to have absolutely no crossovers with the monthly titles. Since all the monthly titles will take place after the conclusion of 52 the only books outside of 52 that could tie in would be a mini-series or one-shot.

[Kamandi2]

Originally posted by Tyler Smith
I voted "not getting it", but, I'll probably get the Morrison issues.

If that is the case you'll be buying them all. All the writers are writing every issue collectively.

[Marty4Magik]

Originally posted by IronWolf
I wont be picking it up. just like i stoped buying Ifinite Crisis and i will not be getting Civil war any more. I will choose with my money to not buy "EVENT" comics all these radical changes should happend "In the Book". Those are the words of one Jeph Loeb, some one i'm not a great big fan of but who said something some time ago that i loved. Jeph said that dc was putting things "In The BOok" with regards to his Hush run with jim lee. that to me was great put the big event in the book Hush was cool and you didn't need to get sixty comics to get the story you could still pick up Aquaman and superman and get your new Batman story with great twist in it. Blowing all your cash on an Event that will mean nothing down the line is dumb TO ME. buts that just what i think.

Hmm, well, maybe you should just quit reading comics then?

For example, Gaiman's Sandman is a great read.
But, it has an ending, so if you read that, the books will mean nothing to you, because nothing will change again because, you know, it was the last issue.

What I am trying to say is;
Event or no, just enjoy the story for the moment, not what it might be a few years from now.

[ColourMan]

Originally posted by Kamandi2
That's the best part about 52.

It is guaranteed to have absolutely no crossovers with the monthly titles. Since all the monthly titles will take place after the conclusion of 52 the only books outside of 52 that could tie in would be a mini-series or one-shot.

He probably means "crossover" in terms of "event". 52 is an event like Infinite Crisis and all the damn tie-ins. There were probably at least 52 issues that tied into Infinite Crisis in '05. 52 is just a way to keep it up in '06.

[Donnieboy]

Yes, I will be buying all of 'em !! If DC can pull it off (and I think they can), it'll be really cool. :)

[LiamSavage]

Originally posted by Caleb Gerard
More power to those of us who still buy books (we had to buy a new bookshelf for our house recently) but can you honestly believe that digital comics aren't going to take over some day? Naive if you do. Paper comics will still exist, I'm sure, but mostly as a loss leader (as they really should be anyhow).

I really hope that digital comics don't take over. But, I do think it is only a matter of time.

I download all of my comics before I buy them. That's how I know what to buy. If I don't like it I delete it. But I don't like reading comics on a computer screen.

[botcherby]

since my parents pay for my comics, I'm definatly adding this to my pull list

[Tyler Smith]

Originally posted by Kamandi2
If that is the case you'll be buying them all. All the writers are writing every issue collectively.

Well, I guess I'll have more TPB money, then.

[Koben Kelly]

Originally posted by LiamSavage
People that don't want other people to have or be able to do something that doesn't affect them are assholes.

If you actually believe the stuff you just said then you are a dinosaur and should be working for DC and Marvel.


Actually, the "asshole" would be the person who resorted to offensive name-calling on Newsarama. Grow up.

Thanks
---Koben:rolleyes:

[BaronVonLego]

Originally posted by Caleb Gerard
[B]Not flawed... I'd say it is more of a difference of generations. I could not imagine having my laptop as the only source of reading but I admit that I haven't really read my daily paper much in the last few months with all of it's content on the net.

Yeah, but it is a different type of reading experience. I read most of my news online and rarely buy the newspaper. I don't feel any less informed by doing this.

That said, I have downloaded A LOT of comics in my time through both official as well as unofficial chanels. I've never found the experience as enjoyable as reading from a screen lacks the high level of emersion that one gains from reading it off paper. There's something about my notebooks resolution that just doesn't compare when looking at artwork.

My argument is that there is an additional validity placed on a tangible product versus a non-tangible one. While mp3 sales are taking off like crazy, the tangible CD still holds a certain sense of prestige. For example, if you gave a friend a Bob Dylan CD, they'd be more impressed than if you gave them an iTunes voucher and told them to download the same songs as on the Bob Dylan CD.

I'm not sure your analogy of five iTunes songs being worth the same as one and a half comic books truly holds. Financially this may be so, but I feel the consumer still finds more worth in a tangible product than a purely content-based one.

Are you also saying that you'd rather hold a stock certificate in your hands? That it would make the gain or loss in value more... emotional?

See, this is just a ridiculous analogy when we're talking about media content. Sure, take a statement as literally as you want, but some common sense should also be used.

Look at the big companies and note that they're now using digitized versions of comics from a couple months ago in hopes of bringing in new readers to the current issues. Folks, She Hulk #1 is now available for download at marvel.com, right.

Yeah, but this is simply a promotional device. The same way that occasionally comics are being inserted into the TV Guide and newspapers every few years. It's hardly designed to alter people's preferred mode of distribution. And come on, the only folks who visit Marvel.com are already comic fans.

If in a few years comics are released in a very high resolution for downloads, I'll be fine with that as long as there is the user-end technology to match it. Reading off a laptop or PC simply is not a convenient, comfortable, or involving method by which to read a comic. As it stands at the moment, digital comics are hardly the way of the future.

While I can certainly envisage most reference books moving purely to digital environments, it will be a long while before it takes over as the predominant form of media distribution for fictional work.

[LiamSavage]

Originally posted by Koben Kelly
Actually, the "asshole" would be the person who resorted to offensive name-calling on Newsarama. Grow up.

Thanks
---Koben:rolleyes:

I asked if he was an asshole. I did call the other guy a dinosaur, though. That was pretty harsh. I'm sorry I called you a dinosaur.

[LiamSavage]

Originally posted by Rorschach13
Double copies, baby! This is gonna be a great series.
And screw the trade-waiters. Yes, I'm that kind of asshole.

At least this guy admits it.

[superate]

Heck yes!

52 comics a year with cool back up origins by one of my fav 90s DC guy Dan Jurgens. Plus, I have been dying for the return of Steel.

I can't wait!!!

[zeraze1]

I haven't been reading Infinite Crisis so I'm skipping 52.

zeraze

[SuperginraiX]

I haven't worked out the money sitch, but this is on my list unless it starts to blow or annoy me :) .

Being the completist I am, I'll most likely get the whole thing... or spend my later years collecting my missing issues. ;)

[SmileOnADog]

Originally posted by BaronVonLego
What concerns me most is not the cost of 52, but rather how many folks on the forum are equating the cost to the price of how many burgers they'll have to pass up to afford it.

Perpetuating the stereotype much?

It's a stereotype for a reason. But I have to know- how many trips to fast food places do you all make? I am not trying to be superior or anything but I am lucky enough to go a few times a month. Fast food is a treat. Maybe if you stopped buying crap for food you could do a whole lot more than buy extra comic books? Just a thought.

[Batty Pete]

I will happily buy each and every issue. With this creative team on it there is no way this will be a bad series, and $10 per month -20% discount from my LCS means it'll be $8. For a weekly comic that I am sure will be awesome, there's no way I would even think of passing it up.

[Johnny Triangles]

I'll do what I do with most DC books...read it cover to cover in the store, then spend my money on Marvel, manga and indies.

[Moe]

To me, it's like any other title - it sounds interesting and if it holds my interest, I'm in for the long run. If after the first few issue it doesn't work for me, I'm out.

[BBallFury]

What the hell, why not.

Who needs to eat every day?

[APeruvianguy]

Originally posted by Johnny Triangles
I'll do what I do with most DC books...read it cover to cover in the store, then spend my money on Marvel, manga and indies.

Add the people who just read Marvel in the store and only buy Dc or only buy Indies and read DC and Marvel in the store and you get one of the reassons comics don't sell as much as before ...:rolleyes: is ok if you are cheap but you don't have to be proud about it :p

[Bugaboo-X]

I'm excited about this because, 1. I have every reason to believe the quality of the product will be very good and consistently so (unlike Marvel's history of wild variability), and 2. It gives me a single story to look forward to each week. I can't remember the last period of my life when I was eager for every new comic book shipment.

[LiamSavage]

Originally posted by APeruvianguy
Add the people who just read Marvel in the store and only buy Dc or only buy Indies and read DC and Marvel in the store and you get one of the reassons comics don't sell as much as before ...:rolleyes: is ok if you are cheap but you don't have to be proud about it :p

I agree. Did you know they have comics in libraries now? What the Hell! I don't think that's right because if they only buy it once and let a whole bunch of people read it Joe Q. won't be able to get as many TVs.

We need to support these big comic events and DC and Marvel because if we don't Spider-Man and Batman will go away forever.

[HartyPotter]

buying 52 issues for one storyline in one year is a little excessive for me, so I'll have to find some way to justify getting it. As of now, I'm leaning towards no.

[yodabarr]

I enjoyed Brubaker's Catwoman, and I like All-Star Superman, but I can never seem to get in to DC. Don't have enough of an affinity for the characters to stick around longer than a couple assorted issues a year. What should I pick up?

[ColourMan]

Originally posted by yodabarr
I enjoyed Brubaker's Catwoman, and I like All-Star Superman, but I can never seem to get in to DC. Don't have enough of an affinity for the characters to stick around longer than a couple assorted issues a year. What should I pick up?

I have no idea what you should pick up. For me, it's all about the character. If the character and premise sounds interesting, I'll check it out. New books I'll be checking out are Ion and Shadowpact, in addition to Hard Time, Manhunter, and all the Batbooks.

Aquaman: Sword of Atlantis and Hawkgirl sound interesting, too.

[Ciro]

Given the weekly frequency and the prize too high ro that, I will only buy the issues that may contain the strories and c haracters that most appeal to me as well as the jey stories.

[Raphael]

Getting it all. Absolutely! Great writers, great artists, great covers, and weekly? I'm there.

I hope the price doesn't change over the course of the year. It would be nice to see this end at $2.50 a year later (Yay) while all Marvels will be at least $2.99 within a couple of months. (Boo)

It would also be nice if DC put out a deck of playing cards with all 52 Jones' covers when it's over, too. Hey, DC! This story could do with a couple of Joker bookends...

[Raphael]

Originally posted by ColourMan
No. I'm not spending $210 on this (I'm Canadian). I'll wait for the cheaper, collected edition or just pick up specific issues featuring my favourite characters.

Don't know how you're arriving at a figure like that. It'll be costing this Canadian (assuming the exchange rate doesn't fluctuate too much over the course of the year) $156.00 + $10.92 (gst) a total of $166.92. And that's without a discount. And, if I pay up front for all 52 books (which is an option available to me), it could wind up being $150.00 even.

[Tenzel Kim]

Originally posted by bgibbons
I'll be getting the trades in 2007... assuming I'm still interested in the series by that point, which is a big if.

It's ironic that, even though I'm far more interested in the DC universe, I read more Marvel books than DC, due to their superior trade program.

I'll most likely be getting 52. However, the fact that I'm getting these will probably result in me getting a lot fewer of the regular monthlies which I'll start waiting for in trade format. I just hope DC will be shaping up their trade program sometime soon, as Marvel did, or I might end up getting a lot less DC this year even though I find a lot of it quite interesting.

Tenz.

[Tenzel Kim]

Originally posted by BeastCharming
This is why Marvel's quick churning out of tpb's is actually detrimental to the market in some ways, because people assume they'll have a trade for sure and won't try new things when they first come out, effectively cutting the legs from underneath said new projects.

Not so sure about this. So far Marvel has been releasing every new book in trade format (as far as I can tell), even the lower selling ones and not too long after the series ended or has reached a certain number.

The fact that they DO come out so soon after the books have been published means that Marvel will be getting the numbers for the trades early on so if a book isn't doing too well in monthly format but sells great in trades it'll most likely continue for longer than had they not had the "fast-to-trade" policy. Of course some books might suffer from this if the initial numbers are so bad that the series is cancelled before the first trade. But if the first trade comes out before the book has been cancelled, the trade sale might help it live even longer.

What they could do was to make a limited first printing of the trades. Meaning that unless you order the trade when it is first listed in Previews you won't be able to order it again for 6-12 months (if at all - all depending on the sales of the first printing). That way you'll get higher initial sales of the trades when they first come out and prevent people from deciding to wait even longer as they know it's now available in trade.

Tenz.

[Tenzel Kim]

Originally posted by BaronVonLego
Sure, it may buy you five iTunes songs, but you are not buying a tangible product. Whereas if you are buying a comic, you are actually able to hold it in your hands. Humans by nature are very tactile. It tends to lack the emotional impact of ownership if you cannot touch it.

Well, if DC, Marvel or whoever offered legal downloads of their comics at let's say $1 a book I might very well be getting them like that instead. Hell, if they were to put them in pdf format where you could view the pages as pencils/inks only, colored art or as complete books you'd have a great product if you ask me.

And a price point like that should be possible as you can remove the retailer's cut, you can remove Diamond's cut, you can remove the cost of the paper and printing.

Tenz.

[bsprd]

Personally I'll have to adopt the wait and see attitude. I don't have that much gregarious cash on hand usually, and even though I could stretch it and call it "tax deductible for research purposes" (Hint to all you artists/writers out there!) I just can't see spending $120 on this series. THough I'll probably end up spending that on the trades if the reviews are good enough.

[IronWolf]

Originally posted by Marty4Magik
Hmm, well, maybe you should just quit reading comics then?

For example, Gaiman's Sandman is a great read.
But, it has an ending, so if you read that, the books will mean nothing to you, because nothing will change again because, you know, it was the last issue.

What I am trying to say is;
Event or no, just enjoy the story for the moment, not what it might be a few years from now.

YOu missed my point about it meaning nothing. its not that it will mean nothing to me, it will mean something to me. I mean it will mean nothing to the history of the character. for example the death of Jason todd yes it was a gimmick thing with the phone number but to me it was just a good story that gave batman this even darker side. now batman has to deal with his failure to save the second robin some one he adopted and loved really good character moments come out of this. so you buy the comic and you love then its all for nothing 'cos they just keep going back on the story. insted of writing a new story with new villans creating new characters to build relation ships with and having some thing new. we get the cheap pop. we get guy coming back to life wit no good explanation, we get new "Crisis" that will undo old "crisis" and so on. i just get the feeling that it all just going back always retred and never go foward. and hey i think the last thing any one should be asking is for less people to be reading comics man, i don't like these events i will buy other books, i just want the excuse of "thats the way its always been" to be used when some one gets sick of the tactics companies put out. i read savage dragon things go foward things change and they make sense. maybe i should stop reading the top TWO company comics that would make sense and i just might. but i just want progression real change. thats all. you can do what you want i'm just one guy with my own view.

[Gladiator X]

Not gettin' this at all.

DidioComics has totally turned me off and Infinite Crisis is the jumping OFF point for me.

I'm sick of the constant continuity rewrites and changing of character id's that are the norm of the DCU.

[pickard]

Originally posted by SmileOnADog
It's a stereotype for a reason. If you say so. I don't know of any evidence. Fans of all media and hobbies eat fast food. Most people eat fast food.

Are many comic buyers overweight? Sure. Isn't a sizeable portion of the American public overweight?

Ever watch an NFL game and look at the stands? Except for amount of women, doesn't that crowd look like stereotypical comic store customers?

But I have to know- how many trips to fast food places do you all make?Once in the last four or five years, because I was on the road on a tight schedule and my child needed food.

I am not trying to be superior or anything but I am lucky enough to go a few times a month. Fast food is a treat. Maybe if you stopped buying crap for food you could do a whole lot more than buy extra comic books? Just a thought.

I'm going to give 52 a try with the hope of enjoying it throughout its run. If I lose interest, I'll drop it, but the creative team makes me think that is unlikely.

[ColourMan]

Originally posted by Raphael
Don't know how you're arriving at a figure like that. It'll be costing this Canadian (assuming the exchange rate doesn't fluctuate too much over the course of the year) $156.00 + $10.92 (gst) a total of $166.92. And that's without a discount. And, if I pay up front for all 52 books (which is an option available to me), it could wind up being $150.00 even.

$2.50 US=$3.50 CAN.

$3.50 CAN X 15% (tax)=$4.03

$4.03 X 52=$209.56

I guess you live in Alberta?

[Caleb Gerard]

Okay, so as to not clutter this thread with quotes I'll try and paraphrase Baron as best as possible...

I concede that a stock certificate is a mediocre analogy to a comicbook... nothing, and on this there can be no argument, compares to holding a comic and turning the pages.

Okay, next point (not really in order), lets say ONLY comicbook fans go to marvel.com... I have ZERO stats so I ask this: did more people buy She Hulk V2 #1 or look at it on line (and this counts those who did both)? So, lets do some simple math (based on no real numbers) if 1000 people bought She Hulk #1 (a GREAT comic btw) at cover price ($2.99 I think) then there was $3000.00 gross on the book if 3001 people paid to d/l it at 99-cents then there is $3001.00 gross made (with NO printing costs).

Okay, let me stop arguing economics for the companies 'cause I have no hard facts and may in fact be pissing in the wind.
Let me instead look at from my babysitter's POV. Or how 'bout your friend and the Dylan CD. Think the stat for this last holiday season was that close to 50% of gift giving was done by gift certificates, a trend that is unlikely to reverse.
While NOTHING will replace the actual feel of the CD (or comicbook) this is an age of more bang for the buck unless you think that the hybred cars a passing phase.

And lets not kid ourselves, comics are available in high res, we just need (as you point out) the user tech to keep up.

I've already said I can't win this argument 'cause we're having two different discussions (at least Baron and I are), I'm talking economics and "progress" and you're discussing aesthetics.

CJG

[markus n]

Won't buy any. It's too expensive to check it just for curiousity's sake and it likely won't have a plot arc, just 52 issues about DC third-stringers.
The creative teams contains too many people I consider talentless hacks and I'm not keen on the comic-by-comitee approach. Which is another thing speaking against the series, it'll be too busy filling in holes in continuity (and if it doesn't, what's the point?). I'm also having my doubts that the name creators will be doing all the issues. It's a lot of work, with limited creative freedom. Wouldn't surprise me in the least if the big guns very soon stick to plotting and have someone else do the writing.

That said, the number of pod people declaring they'll buy all no matter what is scary.

[DeTroyes]

Originally posted by SmileOnADog
It's a stereotype for a reason. But I have to know- how many trips to fast food places do you all make? I am not trying to be superior or anything but I am lucky enough to go a few times a month. Fast food is a treat. Maybe if you stopped buying crap for food you could do a whole lot more than buy extra comic books? Just a thought.

Geez, guys. I just made the "less trips to McDonalds for me" comment as a way to put things into perspective -- $10.00 more a month on a comic is not that big a deal for me, it just means I won't be spending it on something else. If I'd said "four or five gallons of gas less" a month for me, would you now be reading all kinds of socio-political-environmental overtones into that comment?

And I fully realize $10.00 a month is a big deal for some. My comments are meant to apply to me and my situation alone, not to anyone elses.

[DeTroyes]

delte this

[JonahsWhale]

I was in for trying it when it was first announce. A year and 52 issues is a very large commitment, so there was (and still is) no guarantee that I would be on board the entire run. However, when you have a creative team like this, and a clear plan of what you have to accomplish in the series, the likelyhood of me staying on with that, combined with a thankfully-less-than $3 cover price, is a lot more plausible.

However, since I spend the same amount each month on my books, and with Marvel raising prices yet again, this forces me to reduce titles that I would like to try out or continue reading. I just don't have the budget to add more titles without cutting costs. My shop gives me a 25% discount, and I still manage to spend $90 a month! There's just no way I can go over that.

[Amoebas]

Originally posted by JonahsWhale
My shop gives me a 25% discount, and I still manage to spend $90 a month! There's just no way I can go over that. Then visit the Discount Comic Book Service website. Get your books at 35% off (or more).

DCBS (http://www.dcbservice.com/)

I've been with them for a few years now and think they're great.

[SmileOnADog]

Originally posted by DeTroyes
Geez, guys. I just made the "less trips to McDonalds for me" comment as a way to put things into perspective -- $10.00 more a month on a comic is not that big a deal for me, it just means I won't be spending it on something else. If I'd said "four or five gallons of gas less" a month for me, would you now be reading all kinds of socio-political-environmental overtones into that comment?

And I fully realize $10.00 a month is a big deal for some. My comments are meant to apply to me and my situation alone, not to anyone elses.

Understood. I was just a little irritated against the flippant attitude some folks had for what they had to give up to buy entertainment, especially from what I had pictured, based on the fast food comments, of a pot bellied fellow. I myself am very low on funds because I am disabled and I lashed out a little. My apologies.

[no1knowsme]

I'm still not sure whether I'll buy 52. I think that $10 a month isn't entirley bad, but it does happen to be a hefty wack of my monthly comic order. I may need persuading!:confused:

[Earl]

Looking forward to this.

Earl.

[TheFalcon]

I plan on buying the entire series, but I'm not sure I will buy all the issues or wait for the collection(s).

I'm not a big fan of rereading stories in comic books and buying 52 issues and then the collection(s) will cost me alot more and take up more room than for instance buying the issues and collection of IC.

I'll buy the first issues/arc and decide if I can manage to wait for the collection(s).

[OCM]

Well I refuse to let DC have their cake and eat it too! I will be adding 4-6 new DC titles so there's just no room in the budget for this.

More to the point, I have zero interest in the characters, except maybe Booster. And he's not worth no $10 a month.

Even more to the point, I'm really bored with Infinity crisis and think it's all regurgitated nonsense.

Besides, I'm already spending $150-$200 a month on tpb's and comics depending on the month, I really do NOT want to get sucked into this!

But, I will move forward with the OYL titles and just pretend the missing year never happenned. I'm fine with that! Besides, all you suckers buying this will be sure to tell all on the boards anyway! :)

[bgibbons]

Originally posted by BeastCharming
No, he's just practical and smart. If regular trades during 52 were announced, tons of people wouldn't buy the single issues and wait for the (superior) product. However, by waiting, you drain the profit margin on the original format, and the number crunchers will assume there's no interest in trades.
You (and clearly DC's trade program) seem to assume that purchasing comic books is a zero sum game, that those purchasing trades would be purchasing the monthlies if they had no other choice. That's not the case.

I don't buy monthly comics. If a book does not come out in trade format, I don't buy it. There are books that I would like to buy, like Firestorm and Aquaman, that I don't because DC doesn't sell the TPBs. The idea that not putting a book out in trade will force me to buy the monthlies is a fallacy; it will simply make me not buy the book at all.

Putting out books in trade format adds money, it doesn't take it away from the monthly books. The overwhelming majority of comic books are sold in the first month after release (and most of those in the first week). People who like monthly comics want their story immediately. Those types of people are not going to wait until September (or December, if it's DC) to pick up a collected edition of a storyline that started in January.

Customers who wait for the trade release are going to wait for the trade release. They're not going to buy the comic monthly. All that making them wait longer will accomplish is increasing the likelihood that their interest will have faded by the time it comes out.

That doesn't even take into account another large segment of trade-buyers: those who want to buy the monthlies, but discovered the book late and want to catch up.

I would expect that the type of person interested in buying a weekly comic book that's the epilogue to a major event, deals with C-list characters, and is primarily background fill-in material instead of storylines impacting other books, is a completist, the type of buyer who wants to either have the complete story from the beginning or not at all.

Without having the trade to fall back on, that means that retailers will risk either overstocking (and end up with books that no one is going to buy a year from now) or understocking (and end up not being able to sell as many of issues 27+ because they're all out of issue 3).

[Cryptic]

I made the shift from comic books to trade paperbacks years ago... with very few exceptions, I haven't changed my buying habits. I have more money, at least in the short term; I still get to enjoy stories featuring the characters I like; I sometimes discover things that I would have never read if I were buying $2.00 - $3.00 comics because back then I tended to stick to the things I knew... I felt that two or three bucks for 20 pages of an unknown quantity is a waste; trades store better (bookshelves, etc.)

One series, no matter how much I might be interested in it, isn't going to make me or very many other people change their buying habits. If they read trades, they'll continue reading trades. It doesn't matter if they won't be releasing it in trade form in the short term, or at all. If a show was only on betamax video and I only watch DVDs and VHS, I'm not going to switch to beta to watch it.

Ignoring the buying habits and preferences for a portion of your target audience is just bad marketing. It's a step backward from the multimedia culture we live in. The whole "buy it now, or you'll miss out" tack is seriously overestimating the appeal. A lot of people will just say, "Ok, then, I guess I miss out. I'll find out what happened on the Internet."

If/when it appears in trade format, I'll more than likely pick it up. Otherwise, no.

[mitchell2020]

I will just wait until I find a comic shop where the owner won't chase me (ahh for the days of the news dealers) and read it there.

Seriously I think I must wait for the trade.

[LiamSavage]

Singles are a dying thing for a very small audience.

You will never get new readers with stories written for an audience that already exists but censored for an audience that doesn't, broken up into 6 parts over 6 or more months, in small pamphlets, crammed with ads and sold in speciality shops.

[paulski]

I'll certainly be on board in May, but it'll still need to be a pretty good book for me to hang around for the duration.

[ParisCub]

Originally posted by Sean Walsh
I've found myself taking a lot of comics off my pull list in recent weeks, mostly to save money.

But still, that basically means I can afford this series now. :)

Same here... Thanks to DC's OYL, I'm removing so many DC books from my pull list that I'll have plenty of money to spend now... I'll buy the first few issues and see where it goes.

[RedSpyda]

I'll buy them all, all my pull books are at least $2.50 & i get a discount of 20%

[ParisCub]

Originally posted by malshnut
I'll wait for the trades.

No trade for at least one year, according to DC

[zhstar]

Im In.

[IB2383]

Im a big DC fan, and have enjoyed everything theyve been putting out recently. That said I picked the buy a few issues and decide option. From the Wizard article listing what to expect in 52, Id say I was 50/50 on things I liked vs. didn't. With the talent involved I doubt this will suck, Im just saying if its great Ill stick with it, if not, plenty of other stuff out there.

[Zugernaut]

Can't spend the money, sorry.

But how about using 52 for launching some kind of online digital download?

"Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman Now on iTunes" would make headlines across the country.

And if the price were reasonable, say 99 cents, I'd probably buy.

[Drcharles]

DCs' comic '52', which is coming out, is like a dream come true , A weekly story that can be picked up and read every7 days so the gist of the story isn't forgotten is BRILLIANT, (and one in the eye for MaRvEl) this is exactly the type of schedule that fed us Brits for years .... More of that same please, DC:)

[jim8ball]

I think what will really be interesting is to see how many people are still picking this series up at the end. Let's have a poll on thats!
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[Von Raven]

I'm in for all DC's big events!!


:)

[Derek Ruiz]

I getting this..$10 extra a month won't hurt my comic budget considering I've decdied to go the Trade route with most Marvel books and stick with singles on DC, Image and everything else I get.

[jim8ball]

I think what will really be interesting is to see how many people are still buying this series at the end. I'm not sure I'm that interested to pick up a weekly comic, but I'll give it a try for the first couple of weeks anyway.EIGHT BALL GRAPHICS (http://www.ebg.bizhosting.com)
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[Kryptokid]

I'm in. I was always going to get them but when the $2.50 price was announced, I started having second thoughts...like I really need another 4 comics on my (already too full) list every month.

But then I considered that for the last 6 or so months I have been getting the 4 Infinite Crisis lead-in miniseries, the Seven Soldiers miniseries and the Donna Troy miniseries, which have all finished or will finish before "52". If I could handle paying the money for all those then I should be able to handle paying for "52" each month. It'll still have to keep me entertained though.

[BrianLaBelle]

Since the trades will not be available for a looooooong time, there is no way I'm missing this!

[Bevbos]

Originally posted by melperfect
As prices go up, comics are not a luxury I'm willing to afford further.

I hear you on that. I'm mostly a Marvel kid, so the decision isn't so hard for me - I'll be picking up most of the issues involving the Question, and what's done by Morrison, but not necessarily everything. It's just getting painful to pick up $40 worth of books every week, when I'm not feeling "blown away"... it's a pleasure that only really lasts 1 day. Of course you can re-read, but for those in the working class, who has the time?

I dunno. I do applaud the concept, though, and I wish Marvel would put out something similar.

[Kryptokid]

Originally posted by Bevbos
I dunno. I do applaud the concept, though, and I wish Marvel would put out something similar.

They'll probably wait a couple of months into "52"s run to see what the sales figures are like and how they grow or decrease over the year.

Producing a comic that comes out 4 times a month for a year in a market where once a month is the norm is a risky venture.

[Dave Fury]

Grant Morrison and Geoff Johns alone sell it for me. I think Rucka is better suited for Marvel characters. If only Mark Millar were a part of this.

[J. Alexander]

Hmmmm. The series does fascinate me. It is a big risk that DC is taking. Especially in today's market. DC is putting a lot of money and energy into this project. They should be commended for trying.

[OCM]

Originally posted by BrianLaBelle
Since the trades will not be available for a looooooong time, there is no way I'm missing this!

See, proof that DC does know what they are doing!

There will be some people who can't wait for the trade and will buy it now!

And, if their preferred format is trades, some might even update later on, thus getting double bang for their buck! It's rotten of DC but also very clever!

I know they were fools to have announced the Countdown trades so soon during the actual singles. I would have preferred the trades but there was NO way I was waiting 6 monthes plus for the trades AFTER the series completed. When they surprised me with the announcements of trades during issue 3 of the two Countdown series I was buying, I instantly dropped them. Two monthes after the series ended is a short wait and I decided I could to save money (as I was updating to trades anyway!)

Anyway, this type of story and the characters for the most part, are of no interest to me. So, with these creators on board I MIGHT buy the trades, but after such a long wait I might not. It might turn out the interest has died down and they missed their chance by taking so long to release the trades.
.
Who's to say?

[LiamSavage]

Originally posted by OCM
See, proof that DC does know what they are doing!

There will be some people who can't wait for the trade and will buy it now!

And, if their preferred format is trades, some might even update later on, thus getting double bang for their buck! It's rotten of DC but also very clever!


No, doing "rotten" things to an already small market is not "clever" if you can think more than a month ahead.

[samnoir]

I'm waiting for the trades once the series is finished.

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[OMAC]

I plan on reading/buying all 52 issues of 52

How could I not buy a comic written by the DC uber-team Elite?

[Tenzel Kim]

Originally posted by OCM
See, proof that DC does know what they are doing!

There will be some people who can't wait for the trade and will buy it now!

And, if their preferred format is trades, some might even update later on, thus getting double bang for their buck! It's rotten of DC but also very clever!

Not neccessarily. It all depends on whether or not you believe more people will be getting them in the weekly format because the trades aren't there than the number of people that won't be getting them because the trades aren't there.

The fact that the trades won't come out for another year might result in a lot of people not getting it at all as the freshness has worn off. Had the trades come sooner they might have sold a lot more copies of the trade than they lose on the sale of the weekly because it would be there.

DC obviously doesn't have a lot of faith in the trade format and would rather have a book that's a bit higher on the charts than going the Marvel way and letting the customer decide. Considering Marvel collects just about everything in trade these days and sometimes even in both hard and softcover it's interesting to see how they still manage to keep at the top of the charts.

Tenz.

[Amoebas]

Originally posted by Tenzel Kim
DC obviously doesn't have a lot of faith in the trade format I wouldn't say they don't have faith in the trade format - maybe they just prefer (in this case) to go with the printing format that's been successful for them (and everybody else) for the last 65 years.

I get my books in the mail - but I'm going to be tempted to visit a lcs each week now just so I can GET the book early to join any discussions here on the boards. I'm sure I'll thumb thru other books when I'm in the shop and discover I'm missing something good (like I did when I FINALLY discovered Gotham Knights after going into a shop to get an 'early' copy of GL: Rebirth).

[Amoebas]

Originally posted by Kryptokid
Producing a comic that comes out 4 times a month for a year in a market where once a month is the norm is a risky venture. Action Comics Weekly came out each week back years ago (the quality however died long before it went back to monthly - a problem with so many anthologies).

And being weekly doesn't seen to have hurt Judge Dredd in Great Britain at all.

As long as the writer's ego's remain checked at the door, this book can happen as planned. Looking forward to it.

[Da_Black_Goku]

I have no plans on buying any individual issues, I'll collect them as trades as I've done this whole lead-up to Infinite Crisis, sans OMAC.

[PreCrisisDC]

I'll be there from beginning to end!

[Atilla2k]

I don't know... I'm Kinda wary of these types of things... I've been burned before Ya'Know.

[Johnny Smith]

Buying it all, dudes!

I'd even pay the $210 Canadian dollars for this ...

[BatmanBegins]

Technically you don't have to get 52 since the changes already happened when One Year Later occurs, but I want to know how the changes happened.
Plus I have gotten all the miniseries leading up to 52, so to drop out now is not an option.
With the extinction of the $2.25 priced comic coming soon, the $2.50 price will be the low price of comics and many do get discounts on their comics. When I first started collecting comics the price was 65 cents, although I only have a few of those before the price "skyrocketed" to 75 cents. Those were the days.

[sebzero11]

Yesh, yesh I will be playing "52 pick-up"

[CATMAN3]

I'll be getting all 52 issues.

[MoneyMelon]

I'll give it a shot, but I don't know how long I'll stick with it. 52 weekly issues is a bit much.

[SpiderBat80]

I will defininatly be buying all of it. I was planning on cutting some of my pull list anyways and I think that when I do so it will make it easier. Although it is always tough to cut titles that you enjoy reading. The other problem is that I have always been more of a marvel guy and I am now buying a lot more DC comics, Bastards got me hooked.

[Mediancat]

I picked the second option, but my ideal response would be somewhere in between options one and two: I'm probably going to get every issue, but if it tanks (unlikely but possible) I may opt out and simply, yes, skim it in the stores to get what I need.

Rob aka Mediancat

[Peter Geddes]

Yes - I shall buy them all, then after reading them, rip them up into tiny pieces and make a Eugene Tooms-style hibernation nest in which to rest until the next money-sucking crossover is released. :cool:

[Darth Tigris]

... I'm shocked that, at least by the poll response, so many here are going to buy all 52 issues of this no matter what. NO company will get that kind of commitment from me. What if 4 issues in you don't like it? Based on the poll the large majority of you are still going to buy no matter what. All 52 issues. Amazing. This poll officially confirms that this is a DC obsessed board. Wow ...

[fistofkhonshu]

Originally posted by MajorPain
I plan on getting it for awhile, if it starts to suck then I'm dropping it, I already buy way to much from DC as it ^_^

Same here but leave out the words "from DC"

[fistofkhonshu]

Originally posted by Darth Tigris
... I'm shocked that, at least by the poll response, so many here are going to buy all 52 issues of this no matter what. NO company will get that kind of commitment from me. What if 4 issues in you don't like it? Based on the poll the large majority of you are still going to buy no matter what. All 52 issues. Amazing. This poll officially confirms that this is a DC obsessed board. Wow ...

I think it just confirms that Completism is alive and well. I love having a complete run of something, but only if its good throughout. If it sucks about halfway through I hang on to my good books and screw the rest. There are several books where I have a story arc or two and nothing more.

[Dave Fury]

Originally posted by Darth Tigris
... I'm shocked that, at least by the poll response, so many here are going to buy all 52 issues of this no matter what. NO company will get that kind of commitment from me. What if 4 issues in you don't like it? Based on the poll the large majority of you are still going to buy no matter what. All 52 issues. Amazing. This poll officially confirms that this is a DC obsessed board. Wow ...

Grant Morrison, Mark Waid, and Geoff Johns are writing this, which makes the chances of this being good extremely high. If it were relatively unknown writers, it'd be one thing.

But, please keep crying about DC.

[jlawesome]

Originally posted by Dave Fury
Grant Morrison, Mark Waid, and Geoff Johns are writing this, which makes the chances of this being good extremely high. If it were relatively unknown writers, it'd be one thing.

But, please keep crying about DC.

haha, exactly. If one or even two issues are a miss, i wouldn't dream of dropping it knowing that it'll pick right up again.

[Darth Tigris]

Originally posted by Dave Fury
Grant Morrison, Mark Waid, and Geoff Johns are writing this, which makes the chances of this being good extremely high. If it were relatively unknown writers, it'd be one thing.

But, please keep crying about DC.

Chance. See, that's the word that people are ignoring with this poll. The first, and most voted, option doesn't allow for chance. They are stating that they will, no matter what, buy all 52 issues. No. Matter. What.

That is completionism (is that a word?) as fistofkhonshu alluded too, but it is also a bit of fanboyism too. I'm not into DC as I am into Marvel, and I found myself quite interested in Planet Hulk and Marvel Civil War. But after the PH prequel story, I don't know if I'm going to stick with PH. And if MCU turns out the same, I may drop it too, even though the creative staff sounds great too me. I'm close to dropping ASBARTBW and I never thought I'd drop a Frank Miller penned Batman book. But if you don't like, you don't like. I just don't understand how anyone can commit to 52 issues of something when not even a word has been read yet ...

[Tenzel Kim]

Originally posted by Darth Tigris
Chance. See, that's the word that people are ignoring with this poll. The first, and most voted, option doesn't allow for chance. They are stating that they will, no matter what, buy all 52 issues. No. Matter. What.

Actually if you take another look at the first option it says: "I plan on READING/buying all 52 issues of 52" not just "I plan on buying all 52 issues of 52" so it actually leaves room for reading but NOT buying. Otherwise shouldn't it have said "buying AND reading" and not "reading/buying"?

The wording does leave room for the people that are borrowing, Byrne-stealing or downloading their comics.

Tenz.

[atra2]

I've got better use for $10/month. I can wait till 2007.

[Drcharles]

Sorry, but Fans of DC who decide to prematurely drop the weekly 52 comic before the end, will only end up buying back issues at premium prices when everyone realizes that this is an amazing book and a top seller....... Come on look at whats gone on before, IDENTITY CRISIS, COUNTDOWN, iNFINITE, etc, isn't this the proof that everyone should be committed from the word go, and anyway its going to knock mArVeL for SIX; those IDIOTS couldn't put some-thing like this together.............:D

[Raphael]

quote:
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Originally posted by Darth Tigris
... I'm shocked that, at least by the poll response, so many here are going to buy all 52 issues of this no matter what. NO company will get that kind of commitment from me. What if 4 issues in you don't like it? Based on the poll the large majority of you are still going to buy no matter what. All 52 issues. Amazing. This poll officially confirms that this is a DC obsessed board. Wow ...
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Originally posted by Dave Fury
Grant Morrison, Mark Waid, and Geoff Johns are writing this, which makes the chances of this being good extremely high. If it were relatively unknown writers, it'd be one thing.


Exactly. It's like hearing about the next movie that Spielberg will direct. "Gee, I wonder if it'll be well done? I wonder if I'll walk out of the theatre after twenty minutes?" Yes, it will and no I won't. It'll be great. No. Matter. What.

[Raphael]

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Originally posted by Raphael
Don't know how you're arriving at a figure like that. It'll be costing this Canadian (assuming the exchange rate doesn't fluctuate too much over the course of the year) $156.00 + $10.92 (gst) a total of $166.92. And that's without a discount. And, if I pay up front for all 52 books (which is an option available to me), it could wind up being $150.00 even.
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Originally posted by ColourMan
$2.50 US=$3.50 CAN.

$3.50 CAN X 15% (tax)=$4.03

$4.03 X 52=$209.56

I guess you live in Alberta?

I live in Ontario. According to today's exchange rate, $2.50 would be $2.87 Cdn (plus your 15%) = $3.30... just an example...

While I do admit that today's rate is very low, at around 15%, it hasn't been above 20% in months. While I don't expect Canadian retailers to adjust their prices every week, I do expect them not to rip me off. Just because it says $3.50 does not mean that you should be paying it. You should be charged according to a fair rate. (Tell me, when the rate was at the other extreme years ago, when $1.00 US was about $1.60 Cdn, and a comic said $2.95 US and $4.25, were you charged $4.75? I'll bet you were because the retailer used the correct rate.) He should be using the correct rate now, as well.

The FF Omnibus was $99.99 US/$160.00 which is ridiculous! It should've been about $125.00 Cdn. Don't pay more than you rightfully, and mathematically, should be paying. And don't think that a 20% discount off an incorrect figure is something to bend and genuflect to your retailer for when it's not. 20% off $160.00 would be $128.00 which is approximately what the book should cost in the first place! Take 20% off that and you get $102.40 which would be something to crow about.

Here in Ontario, there's no provincial tax on subscriptions. So, for things like Justice, Infinite Crisis, and 52, when I pay in advance, I'm subscribing... so there's no PST.

For God's sake, people, comparison shop. It took me a while to stop frequenting shops that ignored fair exchange rates but I did. Just ask your bank what they'd give you for one American dollar or a hundred and see what they say. Or check online. That's what I do.

[hellenist]

I'll be getting all 52, as long as it stays clear that all of these awesome writers/artists are invested over the long haul.

Of course the $$ thing is a problem, but I'm dropping at least 4 other DC books in the near future:
Seven Soldiers (done)
Robin (Willingham leaving)
Gotham Central (cancelled)
Wonder Woman (cancelled, for now???)
... and maybe Outsiders (my growing malaise since Indigo bit it)

Of course, there are a couple of other new series that interest me, so yeah DC certainly isn't getting any less of my money with this $130 plan of theirs...

[paulski]

Originally posted by Drcharles
...Come on look at whats gone on before, IDENTITY CRISIS, COUNTDOWN, iNFINITE, etc, isn't this the proof that everyone should be committed from the word go, and anyway its going to knock mArVeL for SIX; those IDIOTS couldn't put some-thing like this together.............:D

Not the first unnecessary negative comment I've read from you recently concerning Marvel.

It's time for you to turn the hate-o-meter down a few levels...

[hondo]

Originally posted by bob_at_york
wow... 55% are planning on buying all the issues even if it is crap. That is surprising.

Guess what ? They're not going to be crap and over half the respondents, myself included, know it.

[hondo]

Originally posted by Kenro
2.50 is nothing. I'm down for it.

That's like what, two and a half junior bacon cheeseburgers?

I actually laughed out loud at this !

All 52 issues for a measly 130 Frosties ?!

Deal me in !


We're living large now !

[Caleb Gerard]

I see a lot more posts saying they'll buy this for the writers not many words for the artist.
So, if it is the story more then the art then just visit the DC site or this board for the synopsis of each issue.
Hell, let's see if Brady can do his cooooolll synopsis thing with "52" like he's done with "Inifinte Crisis".
Yeah, yeah I know not the same thing... just noticed is all.

Okay, so this is 52 straight issues... in this ADD world do you think DC might consider doing "so far..." one-shots each quarter since the TPB(s) aren't due for many months/years?
If they don't they will not draw in NEW readers or people jumping on mid-trip but don't want to shell out for back issues.

I guess, setting aside She Hulk, we're seeing the mainstream death of the self contained issue.

cjg

[hondo]

Not.

I am enjoying one of my fav DC titles, Jonah Hex, and each issue has been self-contained so far and a joy to read.

Superheroes tend "to be continued" and build upon that continuity. A cowboy bounty hunter doesn't necessarily need continuity, nor do a lot of other premises.

I think down the road more and more self contained issues will crop up, in direct response to an alternative.

I like and read both styles and formats.

[Caleb Gerard]

Thanks for the reminder 'bout Hex.

Okay, so to avoid this in the future:

What MAINSTREAM are monthly self-contained?

She-Hulk
Jonah Hex

and...?

CJG

[SpiderBat80]

The problem that is raised is that so many people are saying that they are going to buy because it will not be crap. How can one know this without reading the actual product. I am assuming that most of you peole are the same ones that say that a Marvel book is crap without reading it. Now I know that earlier I said that I will be buying the whole thing, but I won't be for sure until I get to read a finished product.

I guess that I don't want to rush to judgement on a book, until I get to read it, that goes for 52, Civil War, and any other big event book. I am a huge Johns, Rucka, Morrison, and Waid fan. But that doesn't mean that it will be a great book, I hope that it will be and have full intentions to stick with it as long as the story interests me.

[Darth Tigris]

Originally posted by SpiderBat80
The problem that is raised is that so many people are saying that they are going to buy because it will not be crap. How can one know this without reading the actual product. I am assuming that most of you peole are the same ones that say that a Marvel book is crap without reading it. Now I know that earlier I said that I will be buying the whole thing, but I won't be for sure until I get to read a finished product.

I guess that I don't want to rush to judgement on a book, until I get to read it, that goes for 52, Civil War, and any other big event book. I am a huge Johns, Rucka, Morrison, and Waid fan. But that doesn't mean that it will be a great book, I hope that it will be and have full intentions to stick with it as long as the story interests me.

One of the few fair and sensible posts that I've read on this thread. Thank you.

[ANOMALY]

It stars the Question and Steel. Of course I'm buying it.

[hondo]

Let's put it this way : The line-up of creators is stellar and I don't think it's going to suck, BUT, even if it did suck, somehow, I would follow it to see where they were going with it and how did it suck ?

Translation : I would still buy it.

Is that sick ?

Maybe, but that's what has kept a lot of different books, esp the mutant ones IMO, going. Not necessarily that they are good, or that you agree with what they are doing, but that you have to see what's going on, since it's big.

I still say it's all going to rock really hard and am looking forward to seeing what happens to Steel, Booster, Black Adam, the Question, etc.

The individual track records of these creators is astounding and that alone is enough to get my faithfully placed commitment.

[D.O.N.A.L.D.]

I plan on buying the whole shebang, it would have to suck hard for me to cancel it during the run.

But then again, I havenīt yet read anything of it. Letīs see. But I will definitely be there for the beginning.

And since DC is nice enough to cancel a lot of series that were on my pull-list (including but not limited to Plastic Man, Gotham, Central, Gotham Knights, Batgirl, Hawkman (jumping off with the Hawkgirl-Relaunch), one of the Superman-Series, JLA, ...) money isnīt really the problem. My budget can cover this one.

[Ogami Ito]

I plan on reading every issue of this series if only to support the concept of a well done weekly. Think about how amazing this could be. Even if 52 only ends up being ok it should still be a shot in the ass to certain creators, (Ultimates, I'm looking at you here) who can't even get a book out every three months.

[Ogami Ito]

I plan on reading every issue of this series if only to support the concept of a well done weekly. Think about how amazing this could be. Even if 52 only ends up being ok it should still be a shot in the ass to certain creators, (Ultimates, I'm looking at you here) who can't even get a book out every three months.

[BatmanBegins]

Originally posted by hondo
The individual track records of these creators is astounding and that alone is enough to get my faithfully placed commitment.

This is exactly how I feel. Of course I won't really know until I read it and that is the case for everyone. I don't think it is a bad thing to go into a series with postive expectations.

[Kepler]

I'm buying it.

[Knightmaresbane]

Nope. Not at all.








j/k


Of course I am. This is going to rock so much.

Plus I've blown my money on much worse so why not?


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