MARK MILLAR'S MARVEL SUMMIT REPORT, FNIISHED 1985 PAGES

[MattBrady]

<img src="http://www.newsarama.com/marvelnew/1985/1985_teaser_t.jpg" width="200" height="283" align="right">While Editor in Chief Joe Quesada gave a few hints and teases in last Friday’s Joe Friday’s Q&A (http://www.newsarama.com/JoeFridays/JoeFridays33.html), at his messageboard, Mark Millar gave an insider’s look at last week’s Marvel Editorial Summit, along with a preview of the firt finished pages from this summer’s <b>1985</b> (http://www.newsarama.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=52853).

Millar wrote ( http://forums.millarworld.tv/index.php?showtopic=57119):

Should I be in bed? Oh yes, but I'm just back from the Marvel summit in New York tonight and still on East Coast time so sleeping is impossible. Family are asleep, though, and so cannot see me sneaking on here with a quick report despite the fact I'm officially not due back until the end of April or thereabouts. Hard to believe I've been gone two and a half months already. The board is horribly addictive and going cold turkey is a lot harder than you'd think. However, very, very enthused after the very brief New York trip and wanted to bring everybody up to speed in a single post before disappearing again for a while.

<a href="http://www.newsarama.com/marvelnew/1985/1985_1.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://www.newsarama.com/marvelnew/1985/1985_1_t.jpg" width="175" height="266" border="0" align="left"></a>First off, health is improving a lot. This wasn't the case before Christmas, but the last three or four weeks have been great and I'm even cheating on all the things the docs had warned me not to touch (ie, the occasional pint of Guinness). So the meds seem to be really kicking in and the Crohn's and associated crap I've had seems to be really getting under control. Again, thanks for all the cards and get well wishes. Every single one is appreciated.

<a href="http://www.newsarama.com/marvelnew/1985/1985_2.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://www.newsarama.com/marvelnew/1985/1985_2_t.jpg" width="175" height="266" border="0" align="right"></a>Secondly, I wasn't supposed to go to the Marvel summit but since Marvel Civil War essentially redraws the map of the Marvel Universe it would have been crazy to have missed this. Also, I didn't have an ending until we all got together for the greatest spit-ball session of all time and the transatlantic trip was worth it for this alone. Bendis, Bru, Loeb, JMS, Joe and the guys were absolutely fantastic. This was honestly the most productive meeting we've ever had together and, besides having the most fun we've ever had in office hours and beyoind, the actual content of what we came up with has me the most excited about Marvel since the day I started working there. Every single office is firing on full-cylinders here. DC has raised their game like crazy in the last year and the Marvel response was pretty breathtaking to behold. BB and I kept smiling and passing little "this is kick-ass" notes as the editors were giving their presentations. Some AMAZING stuff coming up and, just for a little self-promotion, let me trailer MCW issue 2 as the most talked about Marvel comic in our lifetimes. No hyperbole. Copy and save this paragraph and slap me down with it if you think I'm wrong, but June is where the Marvel Universe just goes more nuts than you could ever have possibly imagined. Seriously, copy and save this paragraph because there was 100% agreement this will be the biggest thing to happen to Marvel since the 60s.

<a href="http://www.newsarama.com/marvelnew/1985/1985_3.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://www.newsarama.com/marvelnew/1985/1985_3_t.jpg" width="175" height="266" border="0" align="left"></a>Just wanted to thank all the other guys for their input. Seriously, this crossover is a definite group effort because it's unfair to have me bullying everyone into submission on their own books. EVERYONE pitched in ideas here and the series is all the better for it. I'd written half of it before my break, but working a day or two a week and constantly rewriting it as we all come up with bigger and better ideas. It's the biggest pain in the arse I've ever undertaken, but also the most exciting project and you guys are going to go nuts for it. First issue, of course, will be lettered and in my Secret Forum in about a month so the mods will be able to give you guys a few clues, but I think you're going to like this quite a bit. Some favourites are coming back, some favourites are going away and the 50 State Initiative is here to stay. That's all I'm saying for now.

My docs wouldn't let me do my usual week of drunken insanity, but we still managed to sneak out and get pissed with Garth Ennis and a few other NYC based pals. Whedon was in town and, during the summit, quite brilliantly chose the best of the four endings we'd been arguing over for the better part of a day. You remember that scene in Alan Moore's Swamp Thing where Luthor was hired for a billion dollars a minute to come in and tell these scientists how to kill Swampy? That was Whedon. The guy is a ____ing story-machine and we were all blown away until he sneezed in his hand before shaking mine, leaving me with a glistening palm before he shot off for lunch with one of his Broadway buddies. But otherwise, we were in ____ing AWE.

<a href="http://www.newsarama.com/marvelnew/1985/1985_4.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://www.newsarama.com/marvelnew/1985/1985_4_t.jpg" width="175" height="266" border="0" align="right"></a>Other highlights was Garth getting so ____-faced he fell twice; once at the feet of Millarworld's excellent Mike Furth (whom we bumped into purely by chance in an Irish bar) and the second time on the steps outside as he fell on his poor, long-suffering wife. Bendis practically had an orgasm when, in a burger bar, he spotted a fantasy figure of his from way back; a well-stacked comedienne who's second name was Silverman, but who's first name I can't remember. He was equally excited by Sex and the City's Sarah Jessica Parker who was right behind us after a show at Carnegie Hall too, the randy wee bugger. Bru was terrific fun. First time I'd really spoken to him and a great laugh as well as an excellent writer. He has the best year of his life coming up, the biggest assignment he's ever been given and the news should be broken inside the next couple of months too.

All in all, a brilliant few days. Wish it could have been longer. Bendis, as much as I like to give him ____, is one of my best chums in the biz and it's a shame we only see each other two or three times a year. But it was great. And we had a ball. Which is what comics should always be about. The blind, mad enthusiasm we've brought back from these meetings is something I hope will be infectious over the next six months. Loads to tell you, though most of it will have to wait until my return and the big Newsarama interview at the end of April where all the big plans will be previewed. In the meantime, here's a look at some of the many pages from 1985 I've had back from the boys. They're so bloody magical and so different from anything else I've seen in a superhero book. They feel beyond 3D to me, like the Marvel Universe is a magical little world we can just dip inside. I don't want to spoil any of the main images as the project is still some six months away from publication, but here's a little taster for now. Hope you like. I love them to pieces. Just haunting and beautiful. This is shaping up to be ten times the book I even had in my head and a totally new experience for the readers.

[EyesBL7]

HOLY SH!T!!! I cant WAIT for this. This looks phenomenal. I LOVE the concept and the presentation looks like it will blow us away.

[Spider-Bob]

Hulk needs to lay off the Dunkin Donuts.

[Rod Odom]

Looks nice. Kind of static, but no more so than how most comics are drawn these days.

[algertman]

hmmmmm

I don't like it. The pictures just don't look good to me.

[DejaEntendu]

weird...i don't know if i'll pick this up.

[Alexander Knox]

Welllll..... it looks interesting, no doubt. If the experiment is successful, then it could be an important addition to the comics medium. My big concern is that it could end up looking like those Marvel photo-covers from the early 80's.

[Uchiha_Prodigy]

Damn, now I have that gay Bowling for Soup song stuck in my head.

[BradyKiller]

I love it - looks really weird and creepy...

Is this a kick in Alex Ross' pants though? I thought his style was bringing photos into comics...will this render him obsolete?

[fistofkhonshu]

Is it just me or does the art look like a less inspired version of what Dave McKean has been doing for years?

[bcondray]

Is this not more a fumetti than a comic as we currently know them? It nice looking...but I for some reason(old fartness most likely) :D am not inclined to call the art here "comic book" it's a bit too real...if I make sense..it hurts my sense of wonder... I most likely get at least #1 ... it's rather hard for me to tell much about how it will impact me emotionally from a computer screen....

[algertman]

Originally posted by BradyKiller
I love it - looks really weird and creepy...

Is this a kick in Alex Ross' pants though? I thought his style was bringing photos into comics...will this render him obsolete?

from how bad those pics look I would say no

[Shinlyle]

Sweet....I'm in. Looks like an original concept done in an interesting way...works for me.

[Angelophile]

That actually looks really disappointing. The figures don't seem to be occupying the same space.

There's some really nice photomanip work out there that's of this, or higher standard.

[Xenu Hater]

I'm sorry, but these photo manipulation comics look like crap. Can we all just say a collective "no" to fumetti?

[coolmvm]

Originally posted by Uchiha_Prodigy
Damn, now I have that gay Bowling for Soup song stuck in my head.

You're not the only one, bub.


Those pictures looked too real to me. I was almost scared by seeing it.

[Lord Ice]

Nice. Looks like this work takes what had already been done in books like Dorothy and evolves it further still. :)

[Rod Odom]

The goo dripping down from the zombie's hand looks so b-movie.

[BlueThunderArmy]

Huh. The art looks good enough for me to be interested, though as others have said it's a bit static. I'll probably get the first issue, see how it looks in print and if the story is something I can get into.

[KingMattress]

Wow, I had no interest in this before, but that art is *&%$ing incredible. Time for a look-see.

EDIT: Wait... those are photos. Damn.

[EyesBL7]

Originally posted by Rod Odom
The goo dripping down from the zombie's hand looks so b-movie.

Shades of Creepshow.

[jccalhoun]

It looks like behind the scene pics from a movie shoot. They don't have any energy or dynamic feeling to them. They look like people were posed and they took the picture rather than being caught while in action. Maybe if they added some motion blur to some of the shots or something it might look less staged.

[Jed Saxon]

Hmmm... no. Not my cup 'o tea.

[The Chief]

Amazing a mix of realism and creepy otherwordly vibe...i am so down for this.

Mark Millar is on a roll.

[buddha]

yay for another uninspired book of blah. btw, come on , is that really the hulk, or shrek's ugly brother? fatty

[ParisCub]

Well, I was dissing the project, but WOW! This looks very good indeed... I'll definitely check this out.

[rogue_tomato]

Hmmm... I'll have to wait until I have the pages in my hands to give my final judgement.... looks interesting... and yet something about these preview pages seems... off? Maybe it will all come together once the dialogue is added? :confused:

[beetle1million]

Some of those pictures looked really good...

Others looked so terrible. It's possible it'll look better when it's packaged.

Does anybody remember when there was a photo cover for Damage, and the Ray had photo advertisement with a cute guy dressed in a Ray costume? Was DC considering something like this at the time, or was it just a weird marketing glitch? They just kind of popped in and out without much comment that I can recall, but I think I was also in junior high at the time, so I may have just missed it.

[funjoe]

I know Milar likes hyperbole, but I can't help but get excited for his projects when I hear him talk about them. He always sounds so genuinely hyped up for them. More than 1985, this really got me excited for Civil War.

Of course, the big news is that Joss Whedon gets paid a billion dollars per minute. I know the guy is talented, but that seems a bit excessive.

[pop monkey]

I refrained from vocalizing my lack of faith in this project until I'd seen some finished "art". Now I can assuredly say that this looks as bad as I feared it would. A big fat "no thanks" from me. The money would have been better spend on decent pencillers and inkers. The posing and lighting need much work.

[WildKard]

This artwork has me interested. It just looks so different then what I'm used too. There is something about it I like but I can't put my finger on it.

[SpottedNigel]

Originally posted by WildKard
This artwork has me interested. It just looks so different then what I'm used too. There is something about it I like but I can't put my finger on it. Well, it does look like Alex Ross' stuff :)

[metr0man]

I'll be honest, those photomanip pages (if indeed that's what they are) are............. not looking good. They remind me of that Spider-Man/Disassembled parody somebody did with action figures, posing them and snapping pix.

And you know, it doesn't even feel that unique. Alex Ross and Adi whatshisname (from Ellis' Iron Man) did this much better.

Civil War sounds like it could be cool though.

[Hokeyboy]

Blerg... no interest whatsoever.

[Lofcutus]

Originally posted by BradyKiller
Is this a kick in Alex Ross' pants though? I thought his style was bringing photos into comics...will this render him obsolete?

Its apples and oranges. Photo realistic Paintings have a wholly different feel than photo shopped pictures. These pages are pretty damn cool. But there is a lot of feeling, intention and awe that a painter can put into the piece that can't be duplicated (yet) by this technique.

And, we're not just talking Ross, Joe Jusko, Olivia, Boris Vallejo and Julie Bell...list could co on. Paintings give a different quality to comic art than traditional pen and ink, and this Fumetti on steroids experiment is a different quality yet.

I gotta say that 1984 looks great, and I am anxiously waiting for it. But I don't think the painters in the comic industry will have any problem with getting work anytime soon.

[Velvet Glove]

This looks laughably bad. Painted art is one thing, but "fumetti" comics just don't work for me. The Hulk looks like Andy Richter with a spray-paint job. Imagine how forced and unreal this will look with comic book word "balloons" tossed on top of it. No thanks.

[motteditor]

I can't say this made me feel any better about Civil War, though I've been very pleasantly surprised by Decimation, so I'll continue to hope it exceeds my expectations.

And I assume he's talking about Sarah Silverman ... yum.

[wither]

ugly, id take actual penciled art any day of the week over this... ewwww

[Punchy]

I'm not sure about the art, but I trust in Millar, and I think the more normal looking heroes will look better.

[mike101]

I never reply when I don't like something - but what were they smoking to ok this?

[Doblecorso]

Like this. A lot. That Hulk looks like that oldfashioned monster dude/Frankenstein style of the sixties.

Not a huge mega/Hyper/Super monster.

Nice to see Millar is back and probably well.

And for Civil War..oh dude..can't wait!!!



Bye from Spain!!!:cool:

[speedball]

Originally posted by Lord Ice
Nice. Looks like this work takes what had already been done in books like Dorothy and evolves it further still. :)

That's funny, I was going to say just the opposite. To me, Dorothy is much more interesting looking. I wish Marvel would stop saying "it's something completely different" when it's currently being done, and done better.

[Ian]

the style employed here is so realistic it miraculously puts everything at the level of the mundane.
the hulk looks like a schlub, and while reading a comic with splash pages of 2 guys reading comics in their front yard may seem like a ripping yarn to some...i'll have to pass.

[HartyPotter]

I think it looks pretty cool. It's a little jarring that some of the panels look so real, but I can get used to that.

[KyleCowstar]

Doesn't look like my cup O tea.

[Legerdemain]

Not 100% convinced, but it's the story that counts, so we'll see.

On another note, as a Crohns Disease sufferer of 23 years, Mark has my upmost sympathy. It's a bitch of a illness to have. I wish him well.

[tralfaz]

wake me up when something interesting happens.

[Gordon McAlpin]

Originally posted by fistofkhonshu
Is it just me or does the art look like a less inspired version of what Dave McKean has been doing for years?

It's not just you.

[MicroZone]

photoshop comics. joy.

[Don Mega]

I simply love Millar´s work so I´ll pick this up.

He´s hands down the best writer at Marvel at the moment.

[mayday]

Not only does it look terrible, but I think it's going to cost Marvel a lot of money. You not only have to pay for the photoshopping but the models and the set locations. But then again a lot more people like these previews pages than I would have thought.

This isn't going to make Ross or any artist obsolete though. I'm not the biggest Ross fan but that final conflict in Kingdom Come can't be replicated with this goofy stuff.

[tralfaz]

Originally posted by Don Mega
I simply love Millar´s work so I´ll pick this up.

He´s hands down the best writer at Marvel at the moment. No, that's Brubaker and Slott

[Spider Symbiote]

I'll reserve judgment until I see the finished comic in my hands. The images look... well... pre-CGI... in a comic book sense. I'm not quite sure what I'm trying to say.

I couldn't help but notice Millar saying that Ed Brubaker has been given his biggest project to date to be unveiled later this year... Uncanny X-Men, perhaps...?

[Rod Odom]

You know what? It's going to look even more unusual with word balloons and captions.

[afterburnz]

Originally posted by mayday
Not only does it look terrible, but I think it's going to cost Marvel a lot of money. You not only have to pay for the photoshopping but the models and the set locations.

Yes but Marvel can sell fans crap on a stick and get it flying off the shelves. They seem to have a knack for it.

[Julio Diaz]

Bendis practically had an orgasm when, in a burger bar, he spotted a fantasy figure of his from way back; a well-stacked comedienne who's second name was Silverman, but who's first name I can't remember.

That would be Sarah Silverman, who is both gorgeous and hilarious. I'd have been excited to run into her, too.

Sad that this little tidbit was the most exciting thing in Millar's spiel for me, isn't it?

[Doblecorso]

Originally posted by Rod Odom

You know what? It's going to look even more unusual with word balloons and captions.

Who says 1985 gonna have word Ballons or captions?


Maybe, and just maybe, the story can be told with the pics alone.





Bye from Spain!!!:cool:

[R. Woode]

http://static.flickr.com/37/87442047_6e86669bed.jpg

[Dave Fury]

I hope they go with a more narrative approach and not with word balloons.

I'm kind of torn on this. The Hulk looks like a Jets fan coming back from a big game, not a walking weapon of mass destruction. He justs looks so bad. If they're spending this kind of money, they should create a CGI character.

Millar is a great writer, but I have to question why this approach when there are artists that can draw a photoesque look. Superhero books are about action and is photography the best choice? Won't it look static?

Millar is a great writer and some of the photos have a nice eerie feel to them, but that Hulk shot looks horrid.

[riotgear]

Am I the only one that thinks the second image looks like Hulk is getting a hummer?

[exar khun]

i'm pretty puzzled by people complaining how "static" the pics are...coz for me ALL comic art are static unless the artist makes use of motion/speed lines which actually just help produce the "effect" of motion within a comic page...

so stop complaining and just enjoy the comics..if you want "motion" just watch movies/tv or go to a park and watch people passby or something....;)

i'm just plain excited and happy for the industry that Marvel is trying something new for a change and that's what we all need right now....i know its still "mainstream" superhero stuff or Dave McKean / Jose Villarubia have been doing this type of art for quite sometime now...but riddle me this, has ANYBODY done superhero stuff using this art style? I think not....so lets just give this title a chance before we shoot it down....

[exar khun]

PLUS the fact that Millar writes some of the best superhero stuff today is enough to give him and Marvel the benefit of the doubt...:D

[Violent Gorilla]

Why is that kid meeting a morbidly obese incarnation of Frankentein's monster in the woods?

What? The Hulk?

Umm...K.

[Rod Odom]

Originally posted by exar khun
ALL comic art are static


That's simply not true.

[Scott Rogers]

It looks interesting, though fumetti and american comics haven't really gone well together in the past. With all the "advances" in photoshop art, I'm interested to see what is done (though there's already one too many lens flares for my taste!)

Does anyone know what the storyline for 1985 is? (It's too bad that Marvel picked the year AFTER the BEST year in Marvel's history - 1984!)

[Dave Fury]

Originally posted by exar khun
i'm pretty puzzled by people complaining how "static" the pics are...coz for me ALL comic art are static unless the artist makes use of motion/speed lines which actually just help produce the "effect" of motion within a comic page...

You just proved my point.

Comic art can use tricks to help produce the effect of motion. Photography can't. Photography is great for capturing a moment in time, as one photo can tell a thousand words. But, for sequental art and for a genre that requires ACTION, I don't think it's the best choice.

For example, you can have Spider-Man whizzing by a city street and you can make the background a bit blurry to suggest that Spider-Man is moving quickly. But, how many times can you really do that? And, what exactly is the appeal of Spider-Man with a blurry background?

No one is knocking Millar, he's a great writer. And, some of the photos are nice. But, this doesn't mean that Marvel isn't making a mistake with this.

[Justice Daye]

It looks cool, but I still don't know if I'm into yet. And some of the photos look uneven. Some of the photos look great with the added manipulation while others look as though the may need more. I'll wait until the finished product though. However, I'm shocked that it looks this good, in general. It's not the best I've ever seen, but some of the panels are really beautiful.

Originally posted by Dave Fury
You just proved my point.

Comic art can use tricks to help produce the effect of motion. Photography can't. Photography is great for capturing a moment in time, as one photo can tell a thousand words. But, for sequental art and for a genre that requires ACTION, I don't think it's the best choice.

Actually, with computer manipulation photographs can show movement and even without it, with the right lens and camera...movement can be shown in photographs.

And comic art can use tricks to create motion, but they don't always and that doesn't always make them look static. Not to mention that all comics are still static. They all look static to me. Those tricks that you mention can't change that comics are in fact "still" pictures. I don't think "movement" is in fact aquestion in any comic art because it's simply not there. I do think the art has to pop, as if we're looking into the picture. These photos are somewhat flat, but that's why I want to see them in person.

[sephiroth617]

I honestly have to see more of this before I make a decision on whether or not to get it. It sounds interesting, but these batch of pics don't really scream "buy me". Maybe if I see Spider-Man, that'll change.

P.S. - Bashers suck. You know who you are.

[c_andrew_s]

This looks hot; I am looking forward to it (... and Millar ROCKS!)

[ErictheRed]

Checkered Vans! Now thats cool.:)

[Dave Fury]

P.S. - Bashers suck. You know who you are. [/B]

But, you're bashing Bashers, so what does that say about you?

Honestly, why are there so many fans whose entire self-worth is tied into a comic book company?

[MR2525]

LAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMMMMMMMMMMMMEEEEEE E

[sephiroth617]

Originally posted by Dave Fury
But, you're bashing Bashers, so what does that say about you?

Honestly, why are there so many fans whose entire self-worth is tied into a comic book company?

Bashing bashers is ok.

There are others here who just bash Marvel for the sake of bashing Marvel. I'm bashing them because they shouldn't be bashing for no apparent reason. And I don't bash continually, again, like some people do.

[samnoir]

I think the photoshop/collage look really works, I think this could be the next MARVELS. Given the popularity of the painted look, I think it was only a matter of time before they took the production methodology of alternative OGN's like Veils and I, Paparazzi and applied them to the mainstreat superheroes. I think Alan Moore played with the form in Promethia.

Anyone else remember those photo covers on Marvel comics from the seventies? I really loved those issues. They were so different than any other comic book covers at the time.

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[Supreme Convoy]

I'll definitely wait and see the first issue. I'm genuinly excited about the project, but the pictures aren't doing much for me.

But most importantly, I'm glad to hear Mark Millar is doing well!

[LD18]

Wow! I can't believe Millar has crohns! I got that ____ too yet i still smoke and drink like a damn fish.Screw your docs man.1985 sounds like a cool little series.

[CrimsGhostUK]

I pick up most of the junk Marvel puts on us. I like a change now and again. I'm open to new styles of art (e.g. I love the recent covers for The 198, and also loved the pop-art of X-Force/X-Statix). But this just looks lame. It reminds me of that tacky kids TV show Goosebumps. Hulk looks like a retarded Herman Munster. This must be a work in process or a joke right?

[Blast-Off]

I'm very excited for this book. Anything different Marvel can do to get some mainstream press is a great idea. Plus, I started reading comics in 85 so I am interested to see all those characters in their mid 80's glory. She-Hulk with the FF and Spidey in the oh so awesome black and white outfit.

[algertman]

Originally posted by sephiroth617

P.S. - Bashers suck. You know who you are.

good thing I can't read that cause I was blinded by those extremly awful photoshopped pictures

[Shmoe-man]

Another Millar book? Count me in!

[sephiroth617]

Originally posted by algertman
good thing I can't read that cause I was blinded by those extremly awful photoshopped pictures

Whatever floats your boat, I guess. They're not that appealing to me, but I'm gonna wait to see some more.

[Kha_O]

Alrightey, by calling the book "1985" i'm stuck thinking that this book is set in the year 1985 AD -

Image #1) Mega pin/badge overload, didn't happen yet (1987-1988)

Image #3) Coke in glass bottles? Unless this is a 5 cent deposit state, not going to happen. Also, the shorts are too long and who would wear brown socks with shorts? (This is going by the assumption that this is set in the US o A in 1985).

Image #4) Shorts are WAY too long! Also, no boy at that time would have gone sockless in sneakers (or, worse yet, worn those low girl socks).

Anachronism - what a waste of money.

[Mercury]

it's good to know former WWF wrestler King Kong Bundy found a job as the Hulk for this series.

[Blast-Off]

Of course people went sockless with slip-ons in 1985! Coke in glass bottles was available from plenty of stores in my neighborhood(East L.A.) in 1985.

Silliest gripes ever.

[The Marvel]

Is that supposed to be the Hulk?

Oh dear.

[tim seeley]

Yeah, so I figured I'd try and do a fumetti for the G.I.Joe/Transformers comic I'm writing. Besides SE and Optimus, no one else would model so I had to use myself. But, it's pretty much awesome.
The name of the piece is "City of the Future."

http://www.timseeley.com/plugins/p17_image_gallery/popup.php?categoryid=10&p17_sectionid=2&p17_imageid=98

[Velvet Glove]

Originally posted by tim seeley
Yeah, so I figured I'd try and do a fumetti for the G.I.Joe/Transformers comic I'm writing. Besides SE and Optimus, no one else would model so I had to use myself. But, it's pretty much awesome.
The name of the piece is "City of the Future."

http://www.timseeley.com/plugins/p17_image_gallery/popup.php?categoryid=10&p17_sectionid=2&p17_imageid=98

Bwa ha ha! This should be in "1985"!

[innocentboy]

nice read,
enjoyed reading it
can't wait until Millar is back in full force

[Dark Light]

Looking good so far.

[The_Adventurer]

Well that looks....horrific.

It'll probibly burn up the top 100 charts too.

There is no justice in the world.

[IronWolf]

cool.!!! this looks preat awsome

[Derek Ruiz]

As of right now I don't want to get this....I'll wait and see what it looks like later down the line.

[JLAJRC]

Other than the Hulk pic (surely Lou Ferigno isn't too busy or expensive between King of Queens/comic convention gigs) I think it looks pretty good. But it's story I'll go for so until I see dialogued pages this is a no-sale.

[MShivers]

Too soon to say for sure.

Immediate thoughts:

1) Dorothy is doing this soooooooo much better. Shots in that book don't look nearly as... unreal(?)... as these... which is odd, since Oz is make believe and these are supposedly set in the "Real World."

2) The Hulk looks awful. Hopefully they will touch up the image a bit... a little not-so-subtle shading would turn those man-books into pecs in no-time... :)

- Michael

[khuxford]

Originally posted by Spider-Bob
Hulk needs to lay off the Dunkin Donuts.

Very true...but this DOES look 10x better than what I was expecting. I've come in with low expectations and I think I just might get this. Probably waiting for the TPB if i do, though.

[Nobody]

Just... awful. Just plain awful.

[sebzero11]

that's some unfortunate placement of the kid's head facing the Hulk...looks like Marvel needs to call Detectives Stabler and Benson from the S.V.U.
:eek:

[leafinsectma]

Good to know Millar is getting better. I hope you get back to 100% real soon. Stop drinking! :eek:

[Excelsior!]

Hmmm, all looks a bit lacklustre to me. :(

The look of the whole thing seems too muted, and the images seem slighly blurry and out-of focus. So far (maybe it'll improve as the story progresses), it doesn't come across as dynamic enough for conveying superhero stuff properly. Also, the pic with the Hulk and the kid makes it look like the images were cut out and pasted together.

And while I can see that they were trying to do an older, less steroidal Hulk, that pic makes him seem a bit paunchy, with the face looking more like Frankenstein than the Jade Giant we all know and love. Hell - the movie Hulk was better than this! What makes this kinda disappointing is the fact that Marvel's already done this a whole lot better in the House of M edition of 'The Pulse' - check out the difference:

'The Pulse - House of M Special'
http://www.newsarama.com/marvelnew/HouseofM/PULSE_HOM_SpecEd_pg1.jpg

'1985'
http://www.newsarama.com/marvelnew/1985/1985_2.jpg

I'll reserve final judement for when I see the thing for real, but so far it's looking rather 'meh', IMO.

[Justice41]

Hulk looks like Brad Garrett from Everyone Loves Raymond.
http://www.architectural-illustrations.com/images/bradhulk.jpg

[sephiroth617]

It's REALLY hard to find a guy in real life who looks like a gaint green guy. That's why the "hulk" doesn't look real.

[canalla]

http://www.newsarama.com/marvelnew/1985/1985_4.jpg


AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARGH!

What were they thinking ??????

[Scooby2099]

I just don't see the appeal to this book. It comes off as very cheesy looking and I can't imagine many people actually buying it. It's going to be yet another misfire on Marvel's part.

Although I won't know for sure until the final product comes out, but judging by these sample pages, I can't imagine spending more than a few minutes reading the entire first issue. Just seems like a bunch of big panels and pinup pages. Sorry, but if I'm going to spend $3 (or probably more for this one) on a comic, it better take more than a few minutes to read.

[Excelsior!]

Originally posted by Justice41
Hulk looks like Brad Garrett from Everyone Loves Raymond.
http://www.architectural-illustrations.com/images/bradhulk.jpg

Mua-ha-ha-ha!!! :D

[Raphe Cheli]

You know who I feel bad for? Retailers who have to order this book. To my eyes, this could either be a huge hit (one of the biggest in years) or a complete failure (one of the biggest flops since Sonic Disruptors).

Order too many, and you lose a ton of money; order too few and you lose customers and cash.

[J.D. Lombardi]

I don't quite know what I'm looking at in terms of those images for the 1985 project. They like nice (expecially the page with the house and two dudes looking at comics) but it certainly isn't anything yet that'd get me to bite on the hype surrounding it. I still wanna check it out, but it doesn't have my dollar recation yet.

Civil War though...that'll definitely get me buying more marvels.

[Darth Tigris]

... then you're probably right. But that's ok and Marvel should still do it. Why? I think this could have a mainstream appeal that regular comics could never have. We think it looks cheesy because its so much different than what we see all of the time. But for mainstream readers this is more like what they see on a day to day basis since they exist outside of comic fandom. So before you call this a big mistake, understand that there exist a world outside of us that would never even come to a board like this.

But I'm curious. I'll wait to see more ...

As for the rest of Millar's words (which 98% of the responses here are ignoring), he's got me so pumped for Marvel this year that I don't know what to do. I can't afford this stuff! Still, it's great to see these guys so excited about the things they are doing and having a great time working together. Its this kind of community that usually generates fantastic work. His words about issue 2 of Marvel Civil War are a textbook version of hyperbole, but man does he have me interested. Nothing can live up to that kind of hype, but it sure sounds like they are going to try. Color me excited.

[kelvingreen]

Okay, so you people are aware that there is such a thing as photo comics, and that in these photo comics, they tell comic stories using photos, right?

And that these photo comics aren't in fact a "new" or "original" concept?

Okay, just checking...

[Julio Diaz]

Originally posted by kelvingreen
Okay, so you people are aware that there is such a thing as photo comics, and that in these photo comics, they tell comic stories using photos, right?

And that these photo comics aren't in fact a "new" or "original" concept?

Okay, just checking...

No more "new" or "original" than ripping off "Pulp Fiction" some 12 years after the fact... :D

[khuxford]

Without knowing the actual story that is going on, this style of presentation seems like it could really target a younger crowd. There is a childhood fantasy look to the images that, when collected in hardcover or TPB, would be outstanding to put in the hands of a kid. Barring the themes being too mature, this would be a book that I'd be able to read to my nieces and nephews and show the pictures to. There's a real shortage of those coming from Marvel or DC.

[IronWolf]

Originally posted by Justice41
Hulk looks like Brad Garrett from Everyone Loves Raymond.
http://www.architectural-illustrations.com/images/bradhulk.jpg

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA THATS FREEEEEEKING FUNNY AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHA.

[justinalanha]

I love how people have already given up on this book. These people have no idea what the story is, and they have seen...FOUR pages of the sequential imagery. I wish that we could keep a record of these folks, and not let them look at anything else relating to this series. I mean...you're not picking it up right? The "art" is terrible, and all that. RIGHT?
FOUR PAGES we've seen. 4 out of 150 pages. You can't pre-judge like that. It makes me think you're all dumb.

I'll pay the $5.99 for the book. unless they preview the whole thing on this site and I don't like. Which I doubt they will.

I will say that, with the money they spent on this they probably could have got Otomo to do some work.

[justinalanha]

oh yeah...the hulk looks fat..hee-yuck!
and..uh..he looks like that guy from everybody loves raymond..haw-haw!!

and it looks like he's getting a hummer....hee-yuck!!!







really? I think that's you bro.