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MattBrady
09-01-2003, 03:35 AM
<a href="http://www.newsarama.com/sangiacomo/PJack1_rough.jpg" target="_blank"><img width="185" height="288" border="0" hspace="2" src="http://www.newsarama.com/sangiacomo/PJack1_rough_t.jpg" align="right" alt="Mitch Breitweiser's rough cover pencils for #1"></a><I>by Mike San Giacomo</I>

<i>This is a weekly look at the process of writing a comic for Marvel’s new Epic line. <b>Phantom Jack</b>, which was to be called <b>Nowhere Man</b> until THE MAN made me change the name. The inefficient, one-sentence description of the series is that the “hero,” Jack Baxter, is a newspaper reporter who can turn invisible.</i>

It’s Labor Day weekend, somehow the column has caught up to “real time” so I can advise everyone what it happening as it happens.

On Friday, just days before the art for <b>Phantom Jack</b> was due at Marvel to send to the Previews catalogue for comics coming out in December, I got a quick e-mail from Associate Editor Stephanie Moore. The debut of <b>Phantom Jack</b> was pushed back until January.

Oh.

Well, that was a surprise considering we had spent a good chunk of the day getting the work ready.

Artist Mitch Breitweiser; letterer and tech dude Ray Dillon and I were talking about exactly how to get the inked, colored cover and three interior pages to Marvel before the Tuesday deadline. Ray thought Marvel needed the work on a disc, which meant it would have had to have been sent Federal Express. Mitch believed it could be e-mailed. I didn’t have a clue.

Someone at Marvel could have answered the question, but it was already the Friday before the Labor Day weekend and most folks were already gone. I had asked Stephanie about it earlier in the week, but had not gotten a response.

Our colorist Jaime Jones was having problems of his own. He had a computer virus during the week and was behind schedule, though he said he could get everything done (and re-done) by Sunday. Remember, he also had to deal with his first week back in high school (see “George Harrison” column for details.)

No big deal, we would just have to figure it out on our own. Since Jaime would not be done until Sunday, it made our decision easier. We would e-mail the work to Stephanie Sunday or Monday.

That’s when I got the e-mail saying not to rush, the issue won’t come out until January and will be in the November Previews.

Now here’s a reality check. I know the folks at Marvel are very busy putting out all those silly books with Spiders and X’s in them among others. I also know that the whole idea behind Epic was low maintenance.

We few, we bold, we chosen Epic people were told: “pick your crew, finish the book and call us when you’re done.” But, as I have said before, nothing is that easy. There’s no way Marvel is not going to produce a comic with the company name on it that is not up to snuff.

I think readers, including me, wouldn’t want it any other way.

So as much as I would like to never bother the folks at Marvel until the presses are ready to roll, communication is a necessity. Creators have to get approval every step of the way from script, to pencils, to inks. Coloring and lettering isn’t as tough, if Mitch and I like it, it seems to be fine.

Keeping all that in mind, I try not to be a pain and only bother the powers-that-be when I absolutely have to. Which usually means bugging them to make a decision on a script or
piece of art.

Getting these answers has been the biggest stumbling block of the process. It should not be this hard. I think if anything is going to hurt Epic, it’s going to be communication problems. I also worry that pushing a series back, as happened to the other Epic non-pro book <b>Crimson Dynamo</b>, seems to be a decision made too easily.

I will find out next week the reasons for the delay of the debut of <b>Phantom Jack</b> from December to January, though I suspect it was simple scheduling. Which is all the more reason for us creative elves to get the work done as far in advance as possible, making the publication process seamless.

We are committed to finishing up the remain 9 or 10 pages of issue number one by Sept. 10. This is long before they are needed for a January publication, but I want everything in place way ahead of schedule.

As far as a status check goes, the issue is scripted and penciled. Mitt is about half-way through inking the pages and about a half-dozen pages are fully colored. Barring power outages and computer viruses, the rest of the book should be done by the 10th with no sweat.

Mitt and I have spoken about the need to quickly get to issue two. The script has been done and approved for months, Mitt has a couple cool ideas for the cover. We just have to figure out
which one works the best. I don’t know how other writers work with their artists but sometimes our level of communication scares me. I give him character and scene descriptions and BANG, he
draws exactly what I was thinking. It’s a little creepy. I learned last week it works in the other direction.

On Monday, Marvel Editor-in-Chief Joe Quesada e-mailed me that he had not seen the proposed cover for issue #2 or #3 which showed a half-buried helmet in the desert sand with the name “Baxter” on it. I had mentioned the cover in a previous e-mail.

When talking to Mitt, I told him how much I loved the cover and that he ought to send another copy to Joe who somehow had not seen it.

“Mike, I haven’t drawn it yet,” Mitt said.

“Of course you did,” I replied. “I’ve seen it, it looks great.”

“No, I haven’t drawn it,” he said. “But since you like it so much, I will.”

The weird part is that I have an actual memory of the cover, clear as day, even though it has only been described to me. And I’m sure the real cover will look exactly like it.

I’m pretty happy with the way the second issue turned out. It contains an important, terrible sequence that causes Jack to doubt himself as a reporter and a man. This scene is for every reader who yearns to see a superior react like a normal person when facing mortal danger, instead of making jokes. A real person finds it hard to breathe, feels his face heat up and would sell his soul to be anywhere else.

Ask any of the soldiers coming back from combat if they ever felt like making jokes. In contrast, the second issue begins with some happy scenes at the newspaper, complete with snappy banter.

The mood is destroyed when Jack and his editor get some bad news about Jack’s brother, former intern and all-around screw-up, Casey.

This causes Jack to take matters into his own hands. He learns some harsh lessons...

<center><a href="http://www.newsarama.com/sangiacomo/PhantomJack-logo.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://www.newsarama.com/sangiacomo/PhantomJack-logo_t.jpg" width="500" height="157" border="0" hspace="2"></a></center>

<I>Mike Sangiacomo, a freelance writer for Newsarama and other sources, was invited to share his experiences with pitching to Epic by Newsarama's editor, Matt Brady, in the interest of keeping readers well informed. Brady advises Newsarama readers that he is aware of the inherent conflict of interest presented by journalists working for a publisher they cover. Sangiacomo's regular column Journey Into Comics has and will continue to be found in the Opinion/Editorial section of Newsarama. Brady has not, nor does he plan to pitch to Epic himself. </I>

thebeast
09-01-2003, 06:06 AM
Is it me or is the whole idea of epic unravelling before our very eyes?!

You have the fact that Marvel have moved the goalposts on submissions, the delay of all titles but "Trouble" (could it be lack of interest?) and the max line being folded into epic.

Still looking forward to Phantom Jack though, possibly the only epic title I'll get.

OcCaM
09-01-2003, 07:31 AM
Originally posted by thebeast
Is it me or is the whole idea of epic unravelling before our very eyes?!

You have the fact that Marvel have moved the goalposts on submissions, the delay of all titles but "Trouble" (could it be lack of interest?) and the max line being folded into epic.

Still looking forward to Phantom Jack though, possibly the only epic title I'll get.

Technically this can't be delayed if it's never been solicited. Seriously, stuff like this happens all the time, so keep your conspiracy, sky is falling whatever crap to yourself. Guess the Ultimate line must be doomed, with Ultimates always being delayed, rotating artwork on Xmen and of course the cancellation of Ultimate Team-UP!

Sheesh!

But, you are right, Crimson Dynamo and Gun Theory have been delayed from OUR promised date that was solicited. (From what I read of the first issue of Crimson Dynamo, they could have delayed it indefinately!) We haven't been promised Jack yet on Jack, and if it wasn't for Mike telling us these snippets of the creative process we'd have never known it might have been solicited a month sooner. This happens quite a lot actually.

Still, a new entity such as Epic (re-use of name aside this is a whole new Beast for Nu Marvel!) is bound to have some growing pains.

Let's at least see what happens in another half year to year before predicting its doom. Yeh, yeh, I know it's more fun to be negative.

BTW, where'd you hear Epic is folding MAX into its line? I noticed in the Sept. Previews that there are two Epic titles, and four MAX titles (three of which end that month, leaving Supreme Power.) Marvel distinctly lists the comics under the proper headings though. Anyway, what's in a name? (Although I still love Nowhere Man better than re-using Alan Moore's name from Top 10!)

But, I do agree with you that this looks to be the only promising candidate for Epic so far. (Although, I'm half-interested in the New Orleans one, it will depend on the artwork to sell me!)

shakey
09-01-2003, 07:57 AM
Some of these columns about "Phantom Jack" get a bit dry.

I apreciate that this is just reportage of the process of creating a book from start to finish, but the frequency of columns makes me feel too involved in every stage . A bit of oversaturation of information.

Too much talk about the details without real movement in the process, gets a bit dull. Not the type of feeling you want when soliciting a new book.

That said, good luck with the project Mike.

TVerBeek
09-01-2003, 08:11 AM
If shipping delays are an indication of doom, then the Marvel Universe itself must be in trouble, with Avengers - its lynchpin - slipping from its schedule. :rolleyes:

Rich Johnston included a rumor about Max being folded into Epic in last week's "Lying in the Gutters" column. It wouldn't surprise me if it's true, since Max has no real identity of its own other than not being appropriate for children... and the "advisory" label on the cover accomplishes that. Hardly an indication of Epic "unraveling", in any case.

TemporalFlux
09-01-2003, 09:38 AM
Folding MAX into Epic is actually just a common sense move to my eye. The two share a common theme (as mature books are included in Epic), but Epic has the established brand name (from its earlier run back in the 80's). MAX is frankly redundant.

thebeast
09-01-2003, 10:59 AM
Originally posted by OcCaM
Technically this can't be delayed if it's never been solicited. Seriously, stuff like this happens all the time, so keep your conspiracy, sky is falling whatever crap to yourself. Guess the Ultimate line must be doomed, with Ultimates always being delayed, rotating artwork on Xmen and of course the cancellation of Ultimate Team-UP!

Sheesh!

It ain't a conspiracy if it's true!

There's no comparison to the ultimate line. Ult Spidey has had 40+ issues and Ult X-Men 30+. Epic so far have released 3(?) My main problem is that I was actually looking forward to Epic, to see the Marvel characters in a different light, not from the usual suspects.

The reason I think that it is stalling is that beyond the 2/3 title mentioned, there has been nothing else announced at all, very strange from a company that lives by it's media hype...

Still I'll be more than happy to be proved wrong.

Sean Walsh
09-01-2003, 12:06 PM
If MAX is being folded into Epic, then why would they make bother making PUNISHER a MAX title not that long ago? I'd gather the point of having PUNISHER being part of Epic, all still under the control of Garth Ennis, a bit pointless.

Sean
:)

Steve Wasser
09-01-2003, 12:18 PM
I very much enjoy these weekly snapshots of the process. It smacks of "Project Greenlight," a series that I found engrossing.

Try not to get too frustrated, Mike. You're going to look back on this start with fondness. And maybe even have a new prescription for Paxil!

IanZL
09-01-2003, 01:19 PM
MAX is NOT being folded into epic. People on the net got their solicitations wrong. in MARVEL PREVIEWS they still showed the MAX books CALLED MAX books. The line isn't going anywhere, it was just clumsy organization.

The MAX line is not a failure and EPIC will not be a failure. The submissions guidelines haven't changed and the whole idea behind it remains the same. You people need to stop worrying about the sky-falling and start worrying about something you know about.

Steve Wasser
09-01-2003, 02:08 PM
Give 'em hell, Ian ZL!

mikesang
09-01-2003, 03:06 PM
MIKE San Giacomo here:
Spellchecker went nuts, wherever you see "Mitt" is supposed to be Mitch. Sorry buddy.
And the word "Superior" was supposed to be "superhero."

[QUOTE]Originally posted by thebeast
[B]Is it me or is the whole idea of epic unravelling before our very eyes?!

MIKE HERE:
Nah, it ain't that big a deal. As another poster noted, it happens all the time we just don't hear about it.

TO THE POSTER WHO SAID EPIC COLUMNS ARE TOO LONG ADN DRY:
Further proof that you can't please everyone. Anoher recent poster complained that the columns were far too short and infrequent. ALl I'm doing is trying to keep readers informed about the process and perhaps pointing out the pitfalls they can avoid if they try to submit. There are no car crashes or shoot-outs coming.
M

MichaelCoughlin
09-01-2003, 04:00 PM
Actually, this is the first time I've ever 2nd guessed Mike S. at all, as I've found his columns fascinating, particularly as a potential creator myself. I do have to wonder aloud though: is this a good idea to be writing the columns still? I mean, it's one thing to write things from a past percpective, but not knowing what the future will hold, as far as the delays go being example number one, seems like a potential bad idea. I know it's not this at all, but it borders on airing dirty laundry in public. Mike himself admits that he doesn't know all the details, and I wonder if the editors appreciate having this be public knowledge at the moment.

I know it's a weekly column, but I just think that doing this in "real time" (so to speak) might be a good idea that goes bad. Perhaps a week or two off so that you can give everyone involved proper lead time.

mikesang
09-01-2003, 04:27 PM
I suppose an argument could be made against "real time" columns, but I see them as honest. Could it cause some problems? Sure, but I would rather relate things as they happen rather than wait and write articles from the safety and security of the future when I already know how things would turn out.

When I told Marvel President Bill Jemas I was going to write the column I told him it would be an honest look at the process, warts and all. I don't plan to gloss over the rough spots just to make someone look good (that includes myself, as readers can attest.)
Jemas agreed thatit should be real.
I wouldn't do it any other way.
M

Shecky J.
09-01-2003, 04:34 PM
All this Epic submissions talk has inspired me. Since Marvel chickened out on the whole Princess Di story in X-Statix, I think I'll borrow her for my new book, "The League of Extraordinary Zombies." I think her, Kurt Cobain, JFK, Left-Eye from TLC (or Aaliyah), and maybe Hitler. Oh yeah, and Bob Hope. Elvis can be the Moriarity.

And Charles Bronson! No, strike that. That would just be sacrilege.

MichaelCoughlin
09-01-2003, 05:53 PM
Originally posted by Shecky J.
All this Epic submissions talk has inspired me. Since Marvel chickened out on the whole Princess Di story in X-Statix, I think I'll borrow her for my new book, "The League of Extraordinary Zombies." I think her, Kurt Cobain, JFK, Left-Eye from TLC (or Aaliyah), and maybe Hitler. Oh yeah, and Bob Hope. Elvis can be the Moriarity.

And Charles Bronson! No, strike that. That would just be sacrilege.

I have no earthly idea how Hitler would fit into that group. Maybe he'd be the bad guy.

Dave Accampo
09-02-2003, 12:25 AM
Originally posted by MichaelCoughlin
I have no earthly idea how Hitler would fit into that group. Maybe he'd be the bad guy.

Really? I thought it quite clear he'd be the smooth-talking con man -- you know, what Face-man was to the A-Team.

Me, I'll buy it just to see a cigar-chomping, zombie Princess Di say "I love it when a plan comes together."

Jun Kim
09-02-2003, 02:00 PM
Originally posted by MattBrady
“Mike, I haven’t drawn it yet,” Mitt said.

“Of course you did,” I replied. “I’ve seen it, it looks great.”

“No, I haven’t drawn it,” he said. “But since you like it so much, I will.”

The weird part is that I have an actual memory of the cover, clear as day, even though it has only been described to me. And I’m sure the real cover will look exactly like it.


LOL... Mike, that's some funny stuff. Come to think of it, you better double-check on all the pages from issue 1 you thought you already had... :)

Brian Jacks
09-02-2003, 03:16 PM
Originally posted by shakey
Some of these columns about "Phantom Jack" get a bit dry.

I apreciate that this is just reportage of the process of creating a book from start to finish, but the frequency of columns makes me feel too involved in every stage . A bit of oversaturation of information.

Too much talk about the details without real movement in the process, gets a bit dull. Not the type of feeling you want when soliciting a new book.

That said, good luck with the project Mike. Who's forcing you to read these columns? If you don't feel they're up to your standards, here's a simple solution: don't click on them. I however find them a good read.

-Brian

Longshot
09-02-2003, 04:15 PM
i love this article, and i love what Mike is doing.

Yes, it does get dry, but gess what? so does life. This is what the creative process is like when you are trying to sell it to a mass audience. I know a lot of internet nay-sayers would like to believe Marvel is like the offices in Mad magazine (via the Simpsons), but it really is a job, and it really does require work and compromise.

Brilliant, looking forward to reading Nowhere Man.

magister
09-02-2003, 08:16 PM
Originally posted by MattBrady
I got a quick e-mail from Associate Editor Stephanie Moore.

Silly question: if Stephanie Moore is the _Associate_ Editor, who's the Editor?

Joe Kilmartin
09-03-2003, 02:45 PM
Originally posted by thebeast
Is it me or is the whole idea of epic unravelling before our very eyes?!

You have the fact that Marvel have moved the goalposts on submissions, the delay of all titles but "Trouble" (could it be lack of interest?) and the max line being folded into epic.

Still looking forward to Phantom Jack though, possibly the only epic title I'll get.

I think it is just you and that you're jumping the gun.

"Trouble" was finished well before its premiere and was meant to be a prestige book. The "door-opener". I think that the fact that sales & response have been less than what Marvel was expecting might be a minor factor, but the reality is that the part of the country where most comics come from experienced a major two or three day blackout and I think industry schedules might reflect that for the next month or so.

Don't scream "Fire!" til you see smoke or flames, man.

Joe

Ray Dillon
09-03-2003, 02:58 PM
Originally posted by Brian Jacks
Who's forcing you to read these columns? If you don't feel they're up to your standards, here's a simple solution: don't click on them.
-Brian

THE ALMIGHTY GOLDEN GOAT DOES!!!! You must click the link! You must have your friends click the link! More importantly, you and your friends must buy the book or face the consequences!!! The Goat commands (and Ray begs)!!

:D :p

Sorry. I love the article's, Mike. Maybe I'm biased, though. ;)