YOUNGBLOOD: BLOODSPORT #1

[MattBrady]

<a href="http://www.newsarama.com/Arcade/cvr1fin.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://www.newsarama.com/Arcade/cvr1fin_t.jpg" width="185" height="285" border="0" hspace="2" align="right"></a>Three days from its San Diego premiere, Rob Liefeld has provided Newsarama with three preview pages and three covers from <b>Youngblood: Bloodsport</b>, written by Mark Millar. In addition to buying a copy at San Diego, the book is also available through the Arcade Comics website.

Arcade’s website has recently gone live with new images and ordering information for both <b>Bloodsport</b> and <b>Youngblood: Genesis</b> at http://www.arcade-comics.com

“I've said from the start that I just wanted to do one really great <b>Youngblood</b> book that sums up the concept and with the work that Mark has done I'm confident that I can achieve that goal,” Liefeld <b>told</b> (http://www.newsarama.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=4366) Newsarama when describing his vision for <b>Bloodsport</b>. Whether I sell one or one hundred copies, it doesn't matter as long as I dig it and can collect it into an oversized hardcover when it's all said and done.”

<a href="http://www.newsarama.com/Arcade/cvr4fin.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://www.newsarama.com/Arcade/cvr4fin_t.jpg" width="185" height="285" border="0" hspace="2" align="left"></a>Millar, when recently <b>speaking</b> (http://www.newsarama.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=4389) with Newsarama about how he had landed on the project said: “Rob had been reading my books and just called me up. It was really that simple. I've always appreciated what he does and I love the niche he's carved out for himself as the bad boy of comics. The name we keep batting back and forth is Travolta because people actually love Rob just like they loved Travolta. The trouble was it took <I>Pulp Fiction</I> to allow them to admit it and I'm hoping <b>Bloodsport</b> does the same thing. This guy sold more comics in the 90s than any other single creator so there must be something magic in there.”

Both Liefeld and Millar have been mum about the new series’ plotline, although Millar did hint at it: “The faster the rise the harder the fall and so fashion dictated that the golden boy had to become the scapegoat. My feeling is that there are an awful lot of people out there who want to admit that they get off on this art. I could be completely wrong, but seeing <I>Shaft</I> fighting Zombie <I>Malcolm X</I> and drawn by Rob Liefeld really is quite something to behold.”

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[Benjamin Ong]

Somebody has GOT to get me this issue! ;)

Awesome preview art! Watch out world. Rob Liefeld is back. And he's got Millar with him. And Brandon (http://newsarama.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=4400) too ;)

[Benjamin Ong]

By the way, who drew that Suprema cover?!

[Rich Johnston]

For a review of the whole issue, see this week's Lying In The Gutters (http://litg.comicbookresources.com).

And if you're in London and want copies, talk to me.

[Benjamin Ong]

Originally posted by Rich Johnston
And if you're in London and want copies, talk to me.

Malaysia? :p

[littlewolvie]

Originally posted by Rich Johnston

And if you're in London and want copies, talk to me.

Heuh... does Belgium count? I mean, c'mon... Brussels, London... where's the difference? ;)

[littlewolvie]

Okay, I took a look at the website and what's one of the first things I notice:

2. Continental U.S. orders please include $4.99 for shipping and handling. All orders outside the United States, please call for shipping fees.

See, this is what I was afraid of. From past experience, I know that the USPS is incredible expensive. IOW, this would mean 10 bucks or more for shipping to Europe. In the end, a simple (new) comic book would costs me $ US 20. I'll gladly pay that amount for certain back issues, but not for a new comic that should be available at my local comic shop. So, Rob, I'm glad you're back (honest, I'm not one of those people who loves dragging you down as I've always like your art), but if you really want worldwide support for your new projects, make them available to the rest of the world too at a "reasonable" price. Otherwise, I'm afraid you can simply count me out. :(

[IcarusX]

Does anybody else remember that Cougar first appeared in Marvel comiics. First off in Marvel Age where a cover preview showed Cougar as a new member. Not sure if he was called Cougar of maybe Lynx. He also appeared in a crowd shot in West Coast Avengers (obviously at s time whent here were plans to use the character in X-Force/New Mutants) where their team fought tons of Android copies of heroes or something. Its all a bit blurry anyone else recall.

[littlewolvie]

Originally posted by Benjamin Ong
By the way, who drew that Suprema cover?!

Looks like Liefeld art to me... :confused:

[ljamal]

The Suprema cover is by Andy Park

[tralfaz]

I hate NUMarvel so much, Liefeld will hopefully replace my need for them.....


stop laughing

im not kidding

I will buy Liefeld comics!!!!!!

[Lon]

As much as people hate Liefeld, He was my reason for getting into comics in the first place. My first comic I bought was X-force #2. Here I am 10 years later and I'm still collecting. Seeing a new Youngblood comic makes me feel like I'm fifteen years old again. Now, Rob, seriously....... don't blow your second chance!

[tralfaz]

Originally posted by Lon
As much as people hate Liefeld, He was my reason for getting into comics in the first place. My first comic I bought was X-force #2. Here I am 10 years later and I'm still collecting. Seeing a new Youngblood comic makes me feel like I'm fifteen years old again. Now, Rob, seriously....... don't blow your second chance!

2nd chance?

bwahahahahahaa

[gOgIver]

Originally posted by Benjamin Ong
By the way, who drew that Suprema cover?!

Looks like an ULTIMATE rip-off with those boarders.

[Augie De Blieck Jr.]

Originally posted by IcarusX
He also appeared in a crowd shot in West Coast Avengers (obviously at s time whent here were plans to use the character in X-Force/New Mutants) where their team fought tons of Android copies of heroes or something.

That issue was drawn by Chris Wozniak. I believe the storyline had something to do with the Cytorrak thingamajig that makes Juggernaut strong. Some young kids gets a hold of it and hilarity ensues.

Oh, yes, I remember it.

-Augie

[MattBrady]

Originally posted by gOgIver
Looks like an ULTIMATE rip-off with those boarders.

Which is probably why they're called "Ultimate" editions at the website...

MattB

[gOgIver]

Originally posted by MattBrady
Which is probably why they're called "Ultimate" editions at the website...

MattB

A rip off by any other name...

[ctsmith83]

Originally posted by MattBrady
Which is probably why they're called "Ultimate" editions at the website...

MattB

I wonder if Marvel will be issuing another cease-and-desist for Mr. Liefeld. :rolleyes:

[biglou]

I don't think there are enough cover variations -- Rob, please add a few more. (the more expensive, the better!)

:mad:

[trogon]

Do I understand this correctly...the comic which I originally thought I was getting through Previews for $2.99 (minus my comic store's discount) is now going to cost $9.00??!!! ($4 + $5 shipping)

Sorry, Mr. Liefeld, but no ammount of curiosity will convince me to pay $9 for a comic. Will these ever be solicited through Diamond again, or have they blacklisted Rob due to his lateness?

[littlewolvie]

Originally posted by ljamal
The Suprema cover is by Andy Park

Mmmm... the "YB Girls Variant ", yes. The socalled "West Coast Alternate" still looks like Liefeld art to me. 'sigh' So many variants. I thought we got over this stuff long ago. Don't get me wrong, I enjoy a variant cover as much as the next person, but this looks like overkill as far as I'm concerned. Ah well, not that I really care. ;)

[littlewolvie]

Originally posted by tralfaz
I hate NUMarvel so much, Liefeld will hopefully replace my need for them.....

stop laughing

im not kidding

I will buy Liefeld comics!!!!!!

Why do I have the feeling you're joking? ;)

[Greg O]

Trogon posted:
Do I understand this correctly...the comic which I originally thought I was getting through Previews for $2.99 (minus my comic store's discount) is now going to cost $9.00??!!! ($4 + $5 shipping)

Yup what was solicited at $2.99 will now cost you $9.00


Not only that, but mysteriously, if you were to forkout for return flights and accomodation etc. (to save on postage :)) Rob would be charging you an extra buck for the book $3.99 despite the fact that he's cut the retailer's and Diamond's profit out of the equation!

GOD

[Robot H Brian]

Seeing all this just reminds me what a shame it is that Liefeld fucked up the brilliant Alan Moore/Steve Skroce attempt at Youngblood. That was good stuff. Even with Millar doing his über-hip nihilism shtick, I think I'll pass on this one.

[IcarusX]

Originally posted by Augie De Blieck Jr.
That issue was drawn by Chris Wozniak. I believe the storyline had something to do with the Cytorrak thingamajig that makes Juggernaut strong. Some young kids gets a hold of it and hilarity ensues.

Oh, yes, I remember it.

-Augie

Thas right, bloody hell. You know what number it was. So if Cougar appeared in West Coast Avengers before Youngblood, wouldnt that make him Marvel property.

[rob liefeld]

Let we weigh in here before the firestorm gets started. Art and story are always subjective, if you don't like it, suits me fine. I would like to address some of the mail order points.

The mail order is an option if you do not wish to wait for your retailer to obtain copies. We are not interested in running a publishing house that solely relies on mail order.

Every retailer, including yours will have an opportunity to purchase the comic book for 50% of cover price. Depending on the size of the order the discount will be even greater.

The weight and cost of the comic package will depend on how many copies you purchase. Therefore an adjustment in price would occur.

Encourage your retailer to order copies from Arcade and receive the discount. If you don't want to wait, then order accordingly.

Rob

[Mr. Special ED]

Originally posted by rob liefeld
Let we weigh in here before the firestorm gets started. Art and story are always subjective, if you don't like it, suits me fine. I would like to address some of the mail order points.

The mail order is an option if you do not wish to wait for your retailer to obtain copies. We are not interested in running a publishing house that solely relies on mail order.

Every retailer, including yours will have an opportunity to purchase the comic book for 50% of cover price. Depending on the size of the order the discount will be even greater.

The weight and cost of the comic package will depend on how many copies you purchase. Therefore an adjustment in price would occur.

Encourage your retailer to order copies from Arcade and receive the discount. If you don't want to wait, then order accordingly.

Rob

That answers that. Haters are now free to find something else to bitch about.

[tralfaz]

Originally posted by rob liefeld
Let we weigh in here before the firestorm gets started. Art and story are always subjective, if you don't like it, suits me fine. I would like to address some of the mail order points.

The mail order is an option if you do not wish to wait for your retailer to obtain copies. We are not interested in running a publishing house that solely relies on mail order.

Every retailer, including yours will have an opportunity to purchase the comic book for 50% of cover price. Depending on the size of the order the discount will be even greater.

The weight and cost of the comic package will depend on how many copies you purchase. Therefore an adjustment in price would occur.

Encourage your retailer to order copies from Arcade and receive the discount. If you don't want to wait, then order accordingly.

Rob

hey rob, i wasnt kidding... ive been bashing u for years.. but now i will buy your stuff to spite NUMarvel, so dont let me down

i have always liked youngblood, especially the Moore/Skroce issues. so here's your chance, do not disapoint

[farwell3d]

Hm, same striking at first glance but seriously anatomically incorrect art work as always.

I'm on the fence when it comes to Rob's art... I don't think he belongs in the Jim Lee, Todd Mcfarlane late 80's early 90's pantheon, but I don't think he's truly terrible either.

Mark Millar... I love a lot of Millar's work. No chance in hell I pay 9 bucks for this, but if my shop happens to order it, I might pick up issue one and see...

[RotSman]

"Did somebody yell Assholes Assemble?"

Okay, that line alone will get me to buy the first issue. =)

Personally, the only problem I've ever had with Mr. Liefeld's art was his depiction of feet. :D Other than that I've enjoyed his works. I haven't been a religious Youngblood reader in the past, so I hope this story isn't continuity-heavy....

Matt
http://www.infiniteplayground.com

[American Caesar]

The pencils do not jive at all with the tone of the scripting. Get the feeling that Liefeld didn't even look at Millar's script before putting graphite to bristolboard?

[IcarusX]

I used to think Rob was the biggest jerk out there. That was until Bill and Joe came along. Made me realise that this guy may have a habit or makign himself sound pretty stupid but hell at least hes an artist first and foremost and not running Marvel. Ill buy the books , always did like Rob's art as did most people as i recall. And the point does seem to be coming up, I actually resent buying Marvel comics so this buying from the competition is always good.

Juts one thing Rob, it also sounds like a good deal for the reatilers. Don't know what kind of deal Diamond offer. But at $3.99 a book how does this benefit the guys who want to buy your books. If i was strapped for comic cash i wouldn't buy it at that price.

[stlfan79]

I CAN"T WAIT!!!!!

[Cry For Life]

I think Rob can do some reallygood artwork when he feels inclined to put in the details besides just the main characters and actually does backgrounds and such, and a few of these previews prove that.

While I think his anatomy has improved, I don't think it will ever be "perfect". That bugs a lot of ppl but he draws the way he does just as Sam Kieth draws the way Sam Kieth does. It his style and I don't really think there's anything wrong with it (aside from the breast issue that does bug me... it just seems like a slap in the face that so few artists will even bother to understand how gravity affects breasts...).

That said... I've gotta wonder about the whole MLK Jr. as a mindless zombie thing... sounds like it could be pretty explosive, considering whats going on over at Marvel with their Di Another Day arc.

The main point I wanna make... is I wonder how long it's going to take Marvel to sue his butt for copyright infringment. Rubble is EXACTLY like The Thing, only shorter and he wears gloves and doesn't appear to have any sort of neck...

...whats up with that?

[Jeremy Holstein]

Well, at least this settles the race for which comes out first; Youngblood or the Image 10th anniversary hardcover.

The winner - Liefeld.

Hey, if he can make this work without Diamond then God Bless him.

'Course I say this before it's even made an appearance on any retailer's shelf.

-Jeremy

[Greg O]

I thought the reason for all the multiple delays was that Rob was drawing and re-drawing the book? You'd think if that was the case he would have ensured Johnny Panic and Doc Rocket's costumes didn't change between page 13 and 15/16 and that Shaft's Quiver wouldn't be flipped and his sword missing from one of the staccato images at the bottom of page 7. Didn't he have over a year to check for these kind of screwups?

Icarus X posted:
"Juts one thing Rob, it also sounds like a good deal for the reatilers. Don't know what kind of deal Diamond offer. But at $3.99 a book how does this benefit the guys who want to buy your books. If i was strapped for comic cash i wouldn't buy it at that price."
The only person Rob's new radical form of distribution benefits is Rob. He get's all the money from the book less his costs. Everyone else has to give the retailer and Diamond a share and then cover their costs.

Not only would Rob be coming out with more money if he was still charging the $2.99 he solicited the book at; given that the retailer and Diamond's pure profit now goes to him, instead of reducing the books cost and still ending up with the same profit as he originally solicited for, he's upped the book's price by a dollar as well. Sure Rob now has to distribute it himself but by charging $5 a pop for internal postage he's probably skimming a few bucks on that as well.

The only folks it hurts is the fans, not Diamond and not the retailers.
Basically if you're lucky enough to meet Mr. Liefeld at San Diego you'll be paying a dollar more for the book than you would have with Diamond and that's after Rob has increased his own profit. And if you're not lucky enough to go to San Diego, you'll be paying 7 bucks more than you would have through Diamond.

Rob talks above about selling the books to retailers for 2 bucks a pop (um... if he can make a profit selling to retailers for $2 why not sell to the fans for $2 a pop?) which is cool, except the reatilers will also have to pay for postage and then add on their profit margin so they do okay out of the deal. So you'll pay more than the $2.99 it was solicited for initially at your bookstore, actually come to think of it, if Rob has the $3.99 cover price printed on it you can be guaranteed you'll pay minimum $3.99 for it at your local store.

Still, despite the fact that Rob has cut Diamond out of the equation (I think it was to reach a far greater audience than even the best selling book's at the moment or something) as well as all his fans who don't have any online access or credit cards or can afford $9 for a 26 page book or are even aware the books shipped, due to no print advertising and Rob is selling directly to the remaining fans at double what he's selling to retailers at a profit for, it could be worse.

You could be a foreign fan.

Variant covers, #1 shipping when #2 isn't finished or even scheduled yet, more expensive limited edition covers and a completely gratuitous price hike from the solicited price and sloppy art errors.?

Rob really has learnt from his past mistakes.

Plus ça change Rob.

Jeremy Holstein posted:
"Well, at least this settles the race for which comes out first; Youngblood or the Image 10th anniversary hardcover.
The winner - Liefeld."
Well yes, if Rob only intends this as a one off. Youngblood Bloodsport was solicited as a 4 part mini series to celebrate Youngblood's 10th Anniversary as opposed to Images single Hardcover. I'd bet money that the Image 10th Anniversary will ship long before #4 of Youngblood Bloodsport ships. Given Rob and Mark's (they're both still working on #2 apparently) pace on this book after 18 months, the Image H/C could well ship before #2 of Bloodsport.

GOD

p.s as I fully expect the usual Rob fans to attack this post, please do yourselves a favour and state clearly what it is you take issue with and why (as I have).

[stlfan79]

Im curious how Senteniel finds his way back into the equation since Alan Moore pretty much wrote him off in Judgment Day.

[stlfan79]

Where are you guys seeing the shipping prices and stuff at? When I click on the link it takes me back to the same old page at the website that has not been updated in months.

[Derek Ruiz]

Originally posted by gOgIver
A rip off by any other name...


Is usually refered to as a homage by anyone else but Liefeld... This has never been fair...

[Derek Ruiz]

Originally posted by stlfan79
Where are you guys seeing the shipping prices and stuff at? When I click on the link it takes me back to the same old page at the website that has not been updated in months.

You probably need to keep refreshing or erase your cookies!!

[rob liefeld]

Before anyone gets crazy with the whole "Rubble" thing, please be advised that Rubble has existed for 10 years and starred in the Youngblood spin-off " BLOODPOOL".

There will be no lawsuits from Marvel because any statute of limitations has long since passed, by about 7 years and counting.

If you were not reading comics way back then, then obviously it is understandable that you aren't familiar with him and you are shocked at first glance by his appearance.

The reason he is called Rubble is because all of his body collapses and can be hurled as seperate pieces. Maybe we'll have him roll around in some red or grey mud in order to alter his color from time to time.

And as to a previous post by Augie claiming that Cougar appeared in some Marvel comics, while that was certainly the initial plan and I produced some character sketches and an un-used cover for a New Mutuants appearance that wasa featured in Marvel Age, he never officially was signed over to Marvel comics. He later debuted in Youngblood #1.

rob

[rob liefeld]

Also in response to "GOD", allow me to further explain our pricing.

The original book was not 26 pages of story, but 22. Also the original comic was priced at crap paper, we have since printed the book on nearly twice the weight and quality of standard comic books. An average Marvel or DC comic is printed on 65 lb. paper, our covers are on 100 lb. paper. our interiors are heavier at 70 lb. than the competitions cover stock. We spared no expense on the printing quality of the book and as such had to build the cost into the price.

Realizing that this won't dissuade anyone from further bashing, I offer the easiest solution, don't buy the book if you deem it too expensive. I set out to please myself with the product and am very pleased with the results. More story and art, superior printing stock and quality costs additional funds. I've said from the start that I did this book for myself and if we fail to turn a profit than that will not dissuade me from completing it and eventually producing a kick-ass oversize edition of the entire product.

As it currently stands, we'll probably be producing a collected of Youngblood Genesis and Bloodsport in short order because orders are ringing off the hook and we do actually expect to sell out of our initial print run.

Rob

[tralfaz]

will this come out as a trade? and what happened to Alias?

[KACH]

Originally posted by IcarusX
I used to think Rob was the biggest jerk out there. That was until Bill and Joe came along. Made me realise that this guy may have a habit or makign himself sound pretty stupid but hell at least hes an artist first and foremost and not running Marvel. Ill buy the books , always did like Rob's art as did most people as i recall. And the point does seem to be coming up, I actually resent buying Marvel comics so this buying from the competition is always good.



I think you'd be alot happier in life if you spent your time doing something constructive rather than bashing the current Marvel regime at every opportunity you get.

You don't like Marvel, we get it. And I don't care. (BTW, you aren't the only one guilty of this)

As for this Youngblood stuff, looking forward to it. If it wasn't for the ridiculous shipping price of $5 for 1 comic, I'd buy it off their website.

--J.

[AllAboutMe]

Hey, I am gonna by this mag. The bashing only makes it more fun. This book will sell very well not only because of everyone's favorite love-to-hate guy Rob, but this guy called Millar is writing it. He has some heat behind him (sniff sniff where are you Authority?).
Bash away! Little heads, feet and fists, gritted teeth, funky-ass anatomy...rock on! Because we have so much better art out there on books with X in the title. I know everyone who has bashed has at one time owned X-Force #1 or an issue of Youngblood..or both!
Get off your high horses. Don't Bill and Joe still need bashing?

[farwell3d]

Well, I do have a Youngblood comic (actually, I think two) that were given to me as a gift.

However, I do have X-Force issue 2, not 1, and I still think it was a fairly good comic.

I actually think Rob was better then than on, say, Captain America. That's just my personal preference though.

Anyway, Rob, I wish you the best of luck, and given an affordable option to buy the book, I will at least to give it a shot. 9 dollars is not affordable, for me.

[jawaplumber]

You know, I love how people treat comics like it's a freakin' football game. They have to take sides, have to support one creator or one publisher over another. Obviously the folks involved don't care about that sort of shit, or Mark Millar (Marvel's no. 1 "hack", alongside Chuck Austen, as some "NuMarvel" bashers like to claim via their psychotic paranoia) wouldn't be working with Rob Liefeld.

In another thread, I gave my thoughts and feelings regarding Rob Liefeld as a businessman and as an artist. He doesn't impress me on either front. That's just how I feel, and I'm not going to knock anyone who feels otherwise, that's their choice. However, I wish he and Mark Millar the best of luck with this comic. Its the most ambitious project we've seen from Liefeld in awhile. And if Rob Liefeld makes it back to the mountaintop of the industry again, I hope he's cherishing this time right now because the sad truth is everyone loves you when you're the underdog (almost everyone in Rob's case, he still has a few detractors left), but as soon as you climb the mountain, everyone wants to knock you down.

You guys can go back to the OTB now.

[Augie De Blieck Jr.]

Hey Rob,

I didn't mean to infer that Cougar had been signed over to Marvel. Either way, he did appear in a group splash with dozens of other characters in that one comic. Wozniak probably just thought he looked cool and wanted to draw him in.

Just one of those oddball things that happened once upon a time...

I'm trying to remember right now a pin-up you did for an X-FORCE or NEW MUTANTS annual that featured possible future characters for the team. I don't think any of them landed elsewhere, but I can't remember it well enough at the moment.

See you in San Diego,
-Augie

[NotAnIssue]

Originally posted by tralfaz
but now i will buy your stuff to spite NUMarvel, so dont let me down


I'm sure NUMarvel will be all crestfallen when they see you with your copy of Youngblood in your hands. You'll show them who's boss!

[FIG]

This art brings me back to my teenage years which is a good thing. I started drawing because of Rob and all the other Image founders like Jim Lee, Todd McFarlane and Whilce Portacio. By the way, whats up with that african american in the background of that double page spread?-How come he doesn't get a handy dandy name tag? Rob, do you plan on ever letting other people ever do a take on your characters, like DC's 'Elseworlds' or Marvels 'Marvel Knights'. -Or what about a serious take on your characters, like an over the top realistic take on Die Hard or one of your other characters?-Hell, I'd be into it. Anyways, I admire your determination so take it easy and good luck with your book.

[Kane_Gilmour]

Rob,

I hope you are still reading these boards.

I'd like to take just a moment here to be an island of sanity in a sea of morons.

Let us ALL face facts:

Whether people liked your artwork or not, you were the undisputed king of comics some years back.

People did NOT suddenly stop liking your work. Your art style (and make no mistake folks, it is his STYLE, not poor anatomy ) did not change drastically either, so that does not account for the loss of your popularity.

Two things account for the persistent failure of your books, Mr. L.

Poor writing, and LATE books. In some cases, the books were so late that people just forgot all about them.

Now, you have a good writer on board (just as you did with Alan Moore, and a few others in the past), but the trick is:

you have to get the books out on time.

It really doesn't matter how much the books cost. Most of the people on these boards will buy it anyway. Most people who see it in the stores will buy it anyway. You could charge twenty bucks for it, they'd still buy it.

But what you have to fight against now, is time. And bad will.

So many people will remember your books shipping late (or not shipping at all) that you have that hurdle to overcome now.

If, as you say, you are putting heart and soul into the books, then great. I'll check out the first one. So will probably everyone else.

If the second one doesn't show up for a year or two though, then no matter how much of a chance people were willing to give you, you will have blown it again.

Make nice books, and get them out to your supporters...before they too, become your detractors.

[I]

[Kintoun]

Originally posted by FIG
This art brings me back to my teenage years which is a good thing. I started drawing because of Rob and all the other Image founders like Jim Lee, Todd McFarlane and Whilce Portacio. By the way, whats up with that african american in the background of that double page spread?-How come he doesn't get a handy dandy name tag?

The African American in the wheelchair from pages 15-16 is the pilot for the blue robot known as Big Brother. So his codename wasn't ignored after all.

Kintoun

[Mr. Special ED]

To KANE and GOD:

It's been said many many times, but many people better than either one of you have said it. What ROB really needs to do is get a nice little collection of stock criticism and fan "dissection" of ROB's career and what he should or should not do, and any time he speaks just tack it on. This way we can get the repetitive "bleah" out of the way.

[Kintoun]

Originally posted by Augie De Blieck Jr.
I'm trying to remember right now a pin-up you did for an X-FORCE or NEW MUTANTS annual that featured possible future characters for the team. I don't think any of them landed elsewhere, but I can't remember it well enough at the moment.]

Even though I've never owned the issue, I vividly remember the pinup you mention here. It's from The New Mutants Annual #6 ("Days of Future Present" Part Three of Four). That double page pic has stayed in my mind for years ever since flipping through this Annual at a newstand. I've avoided buying it so far only because I want to get the entire "Days of Future Present" storyline in one purchase and X-Men Annual #14 is usually a bit too expensive.

Kintoun

[tralfaz]

Originally posted by NotAnIssue
I'm sure NUMarvel will be all crestfallen when they see you with your copy of Youngblood in your hands. You'll show them who's boss!

well at least I have every right to bitch and complain about NUMarvel now since I dont buy there books anylonger... until things change over there, make mine anything but NUMarvel.

I dont want to support a company thats run by a meglomaniac that thinks he could write anything.

I dont want to support a company that fires a creator when all he's done is bring more readers into the fold.

I dont want to support a company that would rather layoff their current crop of talent for unproven people at a cheaper cost.
I dont want to support a comic company that dont know how to count (500 or 71 which is it?)

I dont support a company that condones a method of artist by commitee to draw one of their flag ship titles

I dont support a company that is more interested in making movies than comics.

I dont support a snake like Bill Jemas, he makes Toddy luke like Jesus....

I would rather support Rob and give him his 57th chance at wowing me than buy a NUMarvel book... that's how much I think NUMarvel sucks today!

[Jeremy Holstein]

Originally posted by Mr. Special ED
To KANE and GOD:

What ROB really needs to do is get a nice little collection of stock criticism and fan "dissection" of ROB's career and what he should or should not do, and any time he speaks just tack it on. This way we can get the repetitive "bleah" out of the way.

Ooooo! I like it! So a typical response could be...

Rob,

I like your art, but [COMPLAINT #1a] and [COMPLAINT #34, subsection 3]. You really need to [PROPOSED SOLUTION #8]. After all, Todd did [MCFARLANE STORY #6]. You should too.

Sincerely,

A fan

Could save us all alot of time.

Anyone called the number on the Arcade site yet? I got an answering machine for "J-Company".

[Eschel]

Originally posted by Robot H Brian
Seeing all this just reminds me what a shame it is that Liefeld fucked up the brilliant Alan Moore/Steve Skroce attempt at Youngblood. That was good stuff.

This sentiment I can agree with. I found Moore's take on Supreme and Youngblood highly entertaining and I wish he'd had a chance to finish his work on them.

But I think I'll give at least the first couple issues a try, just to see what havoc Millar can wreak.

Eschel

[NotAnIssue]

Originally posted by tralfaz
well at least I have every right to bitch and complain about NUMarvel now since I dont buy there books anylonger... until things change over there, make mine anything but NUMarvel.

I dont want to support a company thats run by a meglomaniac that thinks he could write anything.

I dont want to support a company that fires a creator when all he's done is bring more readers into the fold.

I dont want to support a company that would rather layoff their current crop of talent for unproven people at a cheaper cost.
I dont want to support a comic company that dont know how to count (500 or 71 which is it?)

I dont support a company that condones a method of artist by commitee to draw one of their flag ship titles

I dont support a company that is more interested in making movies than comics.

I dont support a snake like Bill Jemas, he makes Toddy luke like Jesus....

I would rather support Rob and give him his 57th chance at wowing me than buy a NUMarvel book... that's how much I think NUMarvel sucks today!

(I apologize to the rest of this thread's readers for quoting this entire message, but the WHOLE post is equally ridiculous, and I wasn't sure what I could exclude....)

You know what? I can usually ignore the fanboy "I hate this" crap that spews on every other thread here, but you do take the cake. You know, if you really do boycott companies for the reasons you listed here, you're not buying comics from ANYONE.

Take a timeout from these boards, think about what you said, and come back when you're not 12. (Other 12 year olds, feel free to post, but this one is an exception...he needs a little more time to grow and learn)

[djcoffman]

I sincerely hopes this all works out for Rob and the Arcade gang. While I think the price was outrageous at first glance, I agree with what he said about paper quality. I wish I had more comics that were thick and felt better in your hands then some floppy handout that would tear or something if you dropped it...

[stlfan79]

Originally posted by djcoffman
I sincerely hopes this all works out for Rob and the Arcade gang. While I think the price was outrageous at first glance, I agree with what he said about paper quality. I wish I had more comics that were thick and felt better in your hands then some floppy handout that would tear or something if you dropped it...

I feel the same way. I was super disapointed when Crossgen got rid of their thick paper for the chincy stuff everyone else uses.

On another note I just emailed my comic store and asked if he was going to order these so I can get them at the discount and so more people can be exposed to them through his store. If he doesn't it looks like I am going to shell out 6.50 a copy for #1's of BS and Genesis.

[tralfaz]

Originally posted by NotAnIssue
(I apologize to the rest of this thread's readers for quoting this entire message, but the WHOLE post is equally ridiculous, and I wasn't sure what I could exclude....)

You know what? I can usually ignore the fanboy "I hate this" crap that spews on every other thread here, but you do take the cake. You know, if you really do boycott companies for the reasons you listed here, you're not buying comics from ANYONE.

Take a timeout from these boards, think about what you said, and come back when you're not 12. (Other 12 year olds, feel free to post, but this one is an exception...he needs a little more time to grow and learn)

what the hell are u talkin about?

Im not buying NUMarvel books because im just plain sick of the crap they keep trying to pull. I never said I hated anything.

DC doesnt seem to be renumbering things just for the sake of having a number 1 whenever they change creative teams.
Hell, they dont fire people on books that are actually doing well. And i dont see the CEO of AOL/Time warner thinkin theyre a comic book writer like jemas does. And lets not forget that DC wants everyone to have a copy of their books unlike NUMarvel that just underprints becuz they want to make "collectibles"

Dark Horse seems to be very good to their creators and their fans

hell, ill even give props to Image with their new brand of comics like Powers, Noble Causes, etc.

I buy a lot of independant comics, they seem to like my money very well thank you.

i hate it when people bitch about their favorite comic gettin the screwjob yet they still buy the comic...

example:
people complain about the New X-men direction... yet the buy it out of habit

people complain about the way jemas is running things... stop buying NUMarvel books, sooner or later someone is gonna take notice that he's running things into the bottom of the ocean with Namor. This is why i say boycott NUMarvel, let them know something is obviously wrong with their company and how they run things.

by the way, real constructive criticism there calling me 12. YOu need to get off your high horse and stop being condscending newbie.

[tralfaz]

Originally posted by NotAnIssue
I'm sure NUMarvel will be all crestfallen when they see you with your copy of Youngblood in your hands. You'll show them who's boss!

by the way, contribute to the thread, dont troll and hate. You havent said anything about the upcoming comic, rob liefeld, or this order by mail system, all u did was trolled and flamed

[Eschel]

Originally posted by stlfan79
On another note I just emailed my comic store and asked if he was going to order these so I can get them at the discount and so more people can be exposed to them through his store. If he doesn't it looks like I am going to shell out 6.50 a copy for #1's of BS and Genesis.

That's funny. After reading this article and its subsequent thread, I did the same thing. I refuse to pay the $9.00 it'll cost to get it for myself, but if my local shop (Tate's Comics, which is an excellent shop in NW Broward County, FL, if you're in the Ft. Lauderdale area...) will get it, I'll buy it from them,

They're usually pretty good about special ordering stuff when requested, so I think the odds of my purchasing the book are good.

Eschel, who managed to get a couple issues of "Warren Ellis' Strange Kisses" this way...

[Lon]

Has anyone even got through yet to order these books? All I get is an answering machine for some company that isn't Arcade comics? I guess I'll try again.

[jawaplumber]

Originally posted by tralfaz
Im not buying NUMarvel books because im just plain sick of the crap they keep trying to pull. I never said I hated anything.

DC doesnt seem to be renumbering things just for the sake of having a number 1 whenever they change creative teams.
Hell, they dont fire people on books that are actually doing well. And i dont see the CEO of AOL/Time warner thinkin theyre a comic book writer like jemas does. And lets not forget that DC wants everyone to have a copy of their books unlike NUMarvel that just underprints becuz they want to make "collectibles"

i hate it when people bitch about their favorite comic gettin the screwjob yet they still buy the comic...

example:
people complain about the New X-men direction... yet the buy it out of habit

people complain about the way jemas is running things... stop buying NUMarvel books, sooner or later someone is gonna take notice that he's running things into the bottom of the ocean with Namor. This is why i say boycott NUMarvel, let them know something is obviously wrong with their company and how they run things.

tral, I'm not trying to bash you or anything, but I want to say a couple of things to ya.

First, you make an excellent point about how people shouldn't buy products from a company they have issues with. As long as they continue to do so, they have no right to complain (and you guys know who are). The best way to hurt someone is to hit them in the pocket. It's only a few inches away from their testicles ;)

Second, I'm not trying to insult your intelligence, but trust me on this, coming from someone who has even some limited insight about what goes behind the scenes: NONE of the major publishers in comics today are innocent, and they never have been. It's all about the face you put on for the public and how well you cover your tracks. The spotlight is heavy on Marvel right now only because 1.) they are securely on top of the industry, and 2.) Bill Jemas is a boastful braggart and has piss poor public relations skills. A lot of the stuff that we hear about happening at Marvel happens at DC, too. Again, it's just that DC is slipping under the radar and is actually smarter at the hype machine.

Basically, all I'm saying is that if you're worried about professional ethics and morals....you may as well not even buy comics ;) LOL

[Derek Ruiz]

Your probably getting jay company (which is who you are trying to get by the way)...which is run by Jimmy Jay of Arcade.....Jay company does the cool as hell museum covers. Look in preveiws they have a section...

[tralfaz]

Originally posted by jawaplumber
tral, I'm not trying to bash you or anything, but I want to say a couple of things to ya.

First, you make an excellent point about how people shouldn't buy products from a company they have issues with. As long as they continue to do so, they have no right to complain (and you guys know who are). The best way to hurt someone is to hit them in the pocket. It's only a few inches away from their testicles ;)

Second, I'm not trying to insult your intelligence, but trust me on this, coming from someone who has even some limited insight about what goes behind the scenes: NONE of the major publishers in comics today are innocent, and they never have been. It's all about the face you put on for the public and how well you cover your tracks. The spotlight is heavy on Marvel right now only because 1.) they are securely on top of the industry, and 2.) Bill Jemas is a boastful braggart and has piss poor public relations skills. A lot of the stuff that we hear about happening at Marvel happens at DC, too. Again, it's just that DC is slipping under the radar and is actually smarter at the hype machine.

Basically, all I'm saying is that if you're worried about professional ethics and morals....you may as well not even buy comics ;) LOL

oh, i know that... I know how pissed i was when DC basically censored The Authority...
never said i was worried about professional ethics and moral.... hell, im in the entertainment business.

I just stated my feelings about NUMarvel and happily bought their books until they bascially crossed the line when they fired Waid... so I stopped buying their books. Until Jemas is gone, if he ever goes, i wont be buying another book from them again and will settle for reading a friends copy, the preview copies at the store, etc etc.. im not trying to tell people not to buy their books... im saying they have no right to bitch about it if they continually buy their books out of habit.

so there u have it... its my preference to not buy their books till things change over there. Hell i didnt get into marvel until high school, im sure i could survive, and look at all the revenue i have for indies!!!

anyway Jaw, i was just defending my views to some troll anyway, i wasnt trying to preach and convert

[matrix999]

Jay Company Comics is taking orders now for all of the Youngblood "Bloodsport" and Youngblood "Genesis" comics including the Andy Park and Frank Quitely covers.

For images of the new covers as well as ordering information, visit the Jay Company Comics web site www.museum-edition.com.

[jawaplumber]

Originally posted by tralfaz
oh, i know that... I know how pissed i was when DC basically censored The Authority...
never said i was worried about professional ethics and moral.... hell, im in the entertainment business.

I just stated my feelings about NUMarvel and happily bought their books until they bascially crossed the line when they fired Waid... so I stopped buying their books. Until Jemas is gone, if he ever goes, i wont be buying another book from them again and will settle for reading a friends copy, the preview copies at the store, etc etc.. im not trying to tell people not to buy their books... im saying they have no right to bitch about it if they continually buy their books out of habit.

so there u have it... its my preference to not buy their books till things change over there. Hell i didnt get into marvel until high school, im sure i could survive, and look at all the revenue i have for indies!!!

anyway Jaw, i was just defending my views to some troll anyway, i wasnt trying to preach and convert

I can completely respect that, tral. At least you are a man of your word :)

[stlfan79]

Originally posted by matrix999
Jay Company Comics is taking orders now for all of the Youngblood "Bloodsport" and Youngblood "Genesis" comics including the Andy Park and Frank Quitely covers.

For images of the new covers as well as ordering information, visit the Jay Company Comics web site www.museum-edition.com.

But there is no way on the website to fill out an order form.

[matrix999]

To place an order with Jay Company Comics for any of the Youngblood comics, e-mail your order to them at billjay32@aol.com. Jay Company will not be in the office until next Monday due to being at Comic-Con. Upon their return, they will contact you regarding payment and get your order mailed out.

Visit the Jay Company Comics web site www.museum-edition.com for additional information regarding the Youngblood comics and ordering information.

[beta-ray]

Originally posted by rob liefeld
Before anyone gets crazy with the whole "Rubble" thing, please be advised that Rubble has existed for 10 years and starred in the Youngblood spin-off " BLOODPOOL".

There will be no lawsuits from Marvel because any statute of limitations has long since passed, by about 7 years and counting.

If you were not reading comics way back then, then obviously it is understandable that you aren't familiar with him and you are shocked at first glance by his appearance.

rob

I was reading comics way back then (though I have been reading comics longer, really started collecting in '82)... and likely would not recognize this character. *shrug*

[beta-ray]

Originally posted [with some clipping for brevity] by Kane_Gilmour
Rob,

I'd like to take just a moment here to be an island of sanity in a sea of morons.

Let us ALL face facts:

Whether people liked your artwork or not, you were the undisputed king of comics some years back.

*raises hand* I would dispute that... How did you come to this conclusion?


People did NOT suddenly stop liking your work. Your art style (and make no mistake folks, it is his STYLE, not poor anatomy ) did not change drastically either, so that does not account for the loss of your popularity.


I am sure it wasn't a sudden stop... though I think people realized the novelty wore off. And if my memory serves me correctly (I threw away most of my X comics), his style has changed somewhat. The characters grew even more "liney" and the puckered jowls even more prominent... and the anatomy never improved (maybe got worse).

[Taylor Porter]

Originally posted by beta-ray

Originally posted [with some clipping for brevity] by Kane_Gilmour

Let us ALL face facts:

Whether people liked your artwork or not, you were the undisputed king of comics some years back.

*raises hand* I would dispute that... How did you come to this conclusion?



Well, I'll admit that "undisputed" may be a bit strong, but Kane was probably referring to X-Force #1 (plotted, pencilled and inked by Rob) being the best selling comic ever (at the time).

[Dan Feeser]

Originally posted by littlewolvie
Okay, I took a look at the website and what's one of the first things I notice:

2. Continental U.S. orders please include $4.99 for shipping and handling. All orders outside the United States, please call for shipping fees.

See, this is what I was afraid of. From past experience, I know that the USPS is incredible expensive.


Actually I just sent someone a comic, bagged and double-boarded (one on each side) by USPS for $1.75 so I have no clue what the $4.99 is about on the site.

Anyway, I really just wanted to say the Ultima..., er Maximum covers crack me up.

[Kraken]

Nevermind all this fuss over shipping, I want to see Rob respond to the fact that the "Dr. King" zombie has two left hands! I saw this in the b&w preview art months ago, and here it is, colored, lettered, and still really dumb... Art may be subjective, as Rob said, but Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr, like most other humans (zombie or not), had a left hand and a right hand. Rob?

[Richard Werder]

You know, I like Mark Millar's stuff, I really do.
Having said that-
MLK AND MALCOLM X AS JET PACK TOTING ZOMBIES?
What are you, fucking insane? Has no one else commented on this? In your outrage over Liefeld's ignorance of the human anatomy did your eyes gloss over this little nugget of info?
Mark, you're a damn good writer, why do you have to resort to such bullshit "shock" tactics?

[musclebound]

Just one more little gem to look forward to @ the Comic-Con International this year. Hooo-yeah, 2 days left baby! :D

[vanian]

oh..my....god......will Liefeld ever learn? This is horrible. After all this time off, all he can manage to produce is another piece of crap filled with stock shots, bad anatomy and ripoff characters.

For example, that 2 page spread, hmmm, seen that before? Only 3-4 times. At least similar shots, even as far back as his first issue of XMen (not X-force). And this shot is exactly the same as one from his old YoungBlood comic, with the main guy in front there (i dont remember his name anymore) witht he same pose and alot of the other same characters drawn the saem way, with jsut a few characters replaced with newer ones but in the same pose.
And the shot of the guy sitting in the chair, wouldn't be too hard to go find the Silvestri shot he traced that from.

It's really too bad. Rob has got some of the right stuff for being in this industry. HE has the energy and the enthusiasm and lots of ideas. But he refuses to do anything useful with it. Instead he just keeps hacking out this copied or bad formulaic stiff-posed over-rendered crap expecting people will still buy it for his name, which some will. But I'm not supporting in anymore, this is a must-miss in my book. You'd thjink people would learn from the years of crap that looks just like this that practically helped kill the industry years ago by covering this crap with multiple covers and holofoil. But I guess it never ends.

One compliment I will give it is that the colorists are working their asses off to try and make this somewhat pleasing to look at. The colors are pretty nice. Too bad they are being wasted here. ANd who knows, given the history of Image colors, they will probably print realy dark and muddy and look like crap anyway....

[tralfaz]

yeah, i must say, rob should do something new after this. He should even try a new art style

[ctsmith83]

Originally posted by Kraken
Nevermind all this fuss over shipping, I want to see Rob respond to the fact that the "Dr. King" zombie has two left hands! I saw this in the b&w preview art months ago, and here it is, colored, lettered, and still really dumb... Art may be subjective, as Rob said, but Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr, like most other humans (zombie or not), had a left hand and a right hand. Rob?

Shaft's quiver also changes from being over the left shoulder to over the right shoulder and back again during his flip in one panel. The biggest goof I've seen is in the Quitely cover - restaurant is misspelled as restauraunt. Don't you have editors Rob? That's such an easy thing to catch. :D

Good luck with the book.

[John Jakala]

Good lord. Well, if nothing else, this preview art shows that Rob Liefeld will continue to provide rich material for Sequential Tart's "Bizarre Breasts" column for years to come.

[die_yng]

I'm really looking forward to the book.
I just hope I can get a copy at a reasonable price.

BTW. to all people who criticise Rob's pencils, of course art is subjective, but do you know how many famous and praised artist do not draw correct anatomy? What about Frank Quitely? Bill Sienkiewicz?

[tralfaz]

Originally posted by die_yng
I'm really looking forward to the book.
I just hope I can get a copy at a reasonable price.

BTW. to all people who criticise Rob's pencils, of course art is subjective, but do you know how many famous and praised artist do not draw correct anatomy? What about Frank Quitely? Bill Sienkiewicz?

how bout 98% of comic book artists? +/- 8% error

[Kraken]

die_yng, yer missing the point, there. Quitely and Sienk aren't necessarily realistic, but they're consistent within their own style... and I don't even like Quitely. Quitely is going for a more stylized, cartoony thing, whole Sienk is going way over the heads of people like Liefeld. There's a world of difference between stylizing something consistently and drawing two left hands on a guy.

[Jacentury]

Hi Rob, Good to "see" you here as well as at Millarworld!

I think it's awesome that the Youngblood "10th Anniversary" project is out before the Image hardcover. It kind of suits the situation, what with Youngblood being the book that started the Image revolution.

I swear when I first read about this project here on Newsarama, I nearly fell off my chair. This sounds and looks like it's going to be great ... I can't wait to get my hands on it ...

Jacentury :mad:

[Yeah, but...]

Originally posted by Lon
As much as people hate Liefeld, He was my reason for getting into comics in the first place. My first comic I bought was X-force #2. Here I am 10 years later and I'm still collecting.
Yeah, but for every person that got into comics because of Liefeld, fifty left comics because of him.

Originally posted by Kraken
Nevermind all this fuss over shipping, I want to see Rob respond to the fact that the "Dr. King" zombie has two left hands! I saw this in the b&w preview art months ago, and here it is, colored, lettered, and still really dumb...
Heh. Like writers need somebody to go over their spelling, Liefield needs somebody to go over his art, catching these kind of anatomical foul-ups. Sheesh.

[Lon]

Ya but the fifty people who left were there just trying to make a quick buck. They weren't the diehard fans. Everyone is to blame for the condition that comics find themselves in today. Every single company out there cashed in during the nineties. It was everyone's fault whether they created the crap....or bought it.

[Yeah, but...]

Originally posted by Lon
Ya but the fifty people who left were there just trying to make a quick buck. They weren't the diehard fans. Everyone is to blame for the condition that comics find themselves in today. Every single company out there cashed in during the nineties. It was everyone's fault whether they created the crap....or bought it. Yeah, but you're very wrong about no die-hard fans leaving comics because of Liefeld. Those who remember how good comics used to be before Liefeld generally felt that good storytelling went out the window in the early nineties, and Liefeld's work is one of the best examples of this. Lots of people left because comics had gotten *bad*. And surely you won't argue the fact that Liefeld's comics *are* bad.

[Lon]

I don't argue that Liefeld's comics were bad now that I look back. I was 14-15 years old when I first came into comics, I am now 26. The thing now is that Liefeld isn't writting the comics. He is drawing, and it was his art that attracted me into comics not his writting.
As for Diehard fans leaving the industy, sure maybe some did, but just because the majority off stuff was crap when Liefeld was hot didn't mean it all was crap, or that Liefeld alone was the sole cause of the state of comics. People like to attack Leifeld because he is an easy symbol of what hurt the industy in the nineties but he was not the sole culprit. Everyone is too blame. No one blames the mindless masses that bought all of his stuff, only him. If people buy crap by the boatload then companies will create crap by the boatload. I would think a diehard fan would have been able to look elsewhere within the comic community in the nineties and still found solid writting to satisfy their cravings.

[doom]

goodness, i was hoping to be a bit more positive, but now i am all heroes world-vibed and feel like i am in a time warp with the 7 variants, including the premium priced ones. what about them makes them worth a premium? are there extra pages? is it just a different cover that was felt to be worth an extra $6?

i'll pay more if there is a reason to, i.e. paying for hardcover sandman collections v. the softcover ones.

please stop with the variants for no reason. please stop with the premium prices for no reason. please stop with the oddball distribution (we know you are a californian, but don't penalize people because they don't live there). as it stands now, as i was the only person at my comic shop signed up for the series, likely now i won't have an option to buy it. that's just bad business.

seriously, just chain yourself to your drawing table with pencils and paper and go to work. if you'd have done it 10 years ago, i wonder what would have happened.

[dogwelder]

save yer money folks...and pick up a real comic like jsa, flash, avengers, amazin' spidey, ultimates, or h-e-r-o!!

[musclebound]

I picked up Youngblood:Bloodsport at the Comic-Con on Friday. It's just so-so. I think it's got shocking scenes, and crude language just for sensationalism's sake. Granted, it's by Millar, but it just seems kind of blase'. I picked it up for waaay less than the $5 they wanted at the Arcade booth (won't say how, wink).
I waited maybe 10 minutes for a sketch, then gave up, he was taking a loooong time on one for someone else. Anyway, it's sure not 1992 anymore, is it??;)

[rob liefeld]

Sorry you were'nt able to get a sketch. I really wanted to give as many detailed sketches as possible to everyone who asked and I regret that I couldn't do more.

Aside from this so-so review, I'm beyond pleased with the positive response the book has received. Our retailer orders are coming in at a brisk rate so expect these books to arrive in the next week to the accounts that are ordering.

Best,

Rob

[Gregg Cummings]

From what I can see in the preview images, this art looks just as good as what Jim Lee is doing in Batman. Why is Lee cheered and Liefeld bashed?

[rob liefeld]

Politics bro. Nothing more, nothing less. Give me the same Batman story and I'd blow your mind.

[DustinGriffin]

Originally posted by rob liefeld
Politics bro. Nothing more, nothing less. Give me the same Batman story and I'd blow your mind.

Well, Lee's time on Batman is almost up..........hmmmmm, ever worked with Azzarello?

[Greg O]

Why were you charging $5 for a $3.99 comic at your booth in San Diego?

GOD

[Gregg Cummings]

Originally posted by DustinGriffin
Well, Lee's time on Batman is almost up..........hmmmmm, ever worked with Azzarello?

If the rumors are to be believed, Lee & Loeb will not be doing their second run as previously planed. The better question to Rob Liefeld might be: "Ever wanted to work with Loeb?"

[MightyDoom]

Originally posted by Gregg Cummings
If the rumors are to be believed, Lee & Loeb will not be doing their second run as previously planed. The better question to Rob Liefeld might be: "Ever wanted to work with Loeb?"

Maybe a better question would be "Want to work with Loeb again?" Maybe you missed their previous collaberations.

I don't think it's necessarily politics that have fans raving about Lee's Batman work, and bashing this stuff. OK so some of it is politics, but despite a marked and vast improvement on Liefeld's art (hey look...backgrounds), I think that Lee has a better sense of character design, background detail and human anatomy, and has improved on his storytelling technique. Rob's work is undeniebly energetic, but not really as slick a Jim Lee's.

However the pricing on Youngblood is just way too high. Even mild curiosity won't have me paying $3.99 for a book (since in Canada that translates to $6.50), especially one with characters that aren't that interesting.

[stlfan79]

Originally posted by rob liefeld
Sorry you were'nt able to get a sketch. I really wanted to give as many detailed sketches as possible to everyone who asked and I regret that I couldn't do more.

Aside from this so-so review, I'm beyond pleased with the positive response the book has received. Our retailer orders are coming in at a brisk rate so expect these books to arrive in the next week to the accounts that are ordering.

Best,

Rob

rob,

can't wait to check mine out, I had my ex-girlfriend pick some up for me and she is giving them to me next week. When are the second issues up for sale on the website?

scott

[metabaron]

Pretty interested to see millar handle these guys. Loved the covers. I will only buy the one by Frank Quitley, the other covers just look horible!!! But the story concept sounds intriguing. Finally a good writer on this book and not Leifield. I always thought if this book could get a Profesional writer, this book would do well and convince me to buy it. After the 1st ten issues of the Malibu/ Image stuff I dropped it. But if it can hold a story like Millars stuff at Marvel. I'll shell the cash and even more so if Bush is out of office by 2004 and the recession ends and the economy gets better, I'll buy more stuff! Bush is really messing up my comic book buying!!!


Dan:eek:

[stlfan79]

I have read both Youngblood Bloodsport and Genesis now and loved them both. The two of them had completely different feels with Bloodsport being the over-the-top crazy action oriented book Millar always writes however Genesis was a behind the scenes look at how the Youngblood program began.

While Bloodsport had it's moments of shocking material I come to expect from Mark the reactions to the final situation they were put into in #1 was what I found really interesting. Rob's art as usually was incredibly dynamic with energy jumping out of every panel. I can't wait to continue reading the book to see whom dies, who lives, and what alliances will be formed.

Genesis however was my favorite of the two books. This Brandon Thomas really knows how to write; the hardest part of comic writing is making the dialogue believable and he mastered it on his first issue ever. I expect great things from him in the future. The Walker brothers’ art was another pleasant surprise as well, after seeing the preview art I was disenchanted but seeing it in print gave me quite a different opinion. This series looks to be a classic and I am at the edge of my seat waiting for issue 2.


All in all I commend Arcade on their first issues out of the gate and if they can continue to put out this kind of product on a regular basis I am sure the company will be a massive success.