View Full Version : You guys were right, Now I'm beyond pissed. (Flash #227 SPOILERS)
VinnyPic
10-03-2005, 12:12 AM
I read the B&W Advanced Flash #227 this weekend at Boston
Weather Wizard kills Bart Allen.
In 1 freaking panel.
With a Goddamn Lightning Bolt, reduces him to chared bone.
WTF?
Killing a Flash with lightning is like killing a fire with gasoline.
I'm beyond disgusted.
I am not a regular reader of the Flash ( I know I Know what I'm missing). But this turn of events is shocking (pardon the pun) to me and it seems a little disrespectful. Even though I get the whole circle of life thing with the lightning. Where are your sketches?
VinnyPic
10-03-2005, 12:16 AM
soon, after I'm done sulking.
TTROY
10-03-2005, 12:16 AM
but who said he is dead? Remeber who is writing Cavalieri has a knack for doing what magicians do best... slight of hand..... while your so worried about Bart i would be watching the other speedsters in the story
VinnyPic
10-03-2005, 12:24 AM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v206/VinnyPic/Picture009.jpg
next panel is chared bone.
Couldn't be some sort of x-ray or inside out device or effect? Maybe it just knocked him to Earth 2 or back to his future.
VinnyPic
10-03-2005, 12:28 AM
Originally posted by Jab
Couldn't be some sort of x-ray or inside out device or effect? Maybe it just knocked him to Earth 2 or back to his future. then how the bone?
Maybe he didn't phase the entire way or part of him "fell" out of the speedforce. He's likely just mostly dead not Bucky dead. So don't panic ....................... yet! Steve Perry and Journey said it best when they said "Don't stop believin'"
bob_at_york
10-03-2005, 01:14 AM
When does this issue come out because I need to see this with my own eyes.... I need to read the story. This sucks. :(
WOW! This really sucks. I miss the good old wacky crazy Impulse aggravating Max Mercury. :( :(
MatthewSmith
10-03-2005, 01:31 AM
*waits for avnegingtitan to show up to gloat*
VinnyPic
10-03-2005, 01:37 AM
Originally posted by MatthewSmith
*waits for avnegingtitan to show up to gloat*
I'm sad Matty. Very sad.
VinnyPic
10-03-2005, 01:40 AM
I'm being told it was an alternate reality story.
Thank you jesus, and baby jesus.
Well that's good. I know the pic's blurry but it wasn't penciled by Bryne was it?
VinnyPic
10-03-2005, 02:02 AM
no it wasn't
KSChris
10-03-2005, 02:31 AM
Yeah.. it must be an alternate reality story..
We all know Bart doesn't die until Infinite Crisis.. :rolleyes: :D
James Asia
10-03-2005, 03:37 AM
I hope you goddamn retards aren't really goddamned seriously concerned. Even a retard knows they wouldn't kill Goddamn Bart Allen in a frigging fill in by Joey Calverali and Val Semeiks.
TTROY
10-03-2005, 04:47 AM
Originally posted by James Asia
I hope you goddamn retards aren't really goddamned seriously concerned. Even a retard knows they wouldn't kill Goddamn Bart Allen in a frigging fill in by Joey Calverali and Val Semeiks.
why not? the Flash editor WAS Cavalieri and he is one of the head honchos at DC now....
and what if this is the catalyst....
remember dead people are seeming to come back around this time of Infinite Crisis.....
Bart could really be dead....but that may not be the end of his story...
the year one jump in mere months away - remeber these things...so many titles will start careening into that 52 week gap and we don't know what is on the other side yet.
Don't worry. I don't think he's dead. Yet. ;)
Just like the Martian Manhunter isn't dead. Yet. ;)
Blind Assassin
10-03-2005, 07:30 AM
Originally posted by James Asia
I hope you goddamn retards aren't really goddamned seriously concerned. Even a retard knows they wouldn't kill Goddamn Bart Allen in a frigging fill in by Joey Calverali and Val Semeiks.
I was at the CRISIS panel this weekend at WW Boston....
Dan Didio did say..."Everybody knows you can't have a CRISIS without a dead FLASH...."
draw your own conclusions......
Originally posted by Blind Assassin
I was at the CRISIS panel this weekend at WW Boston....
Dan Didio did say..."Everybody knows you can't have a CRISIS without a dead FLASH...."
draw your own conclusions...... If that was the case, you would expect the death to actually occur in the Crisis and not in an issue of The Flash.
unytis
10-03-2005, 08:30 AM
That just means a dead Flash will be in Infinite Crisis. Barry Allan will be a big part of IC.
VinnyPic
10-03-2005, 10:57 AM
One of the isuues Creators more or less just told me wait till I see the final issue.
It's appearant the Impulsive Imp lives.
I approve.
GuitarSmashley
10-03-2005, 11:25 AM
Originally posted by VinnyPic
One of the isuues Creators more or less just told me wait till I see the final issue.
It's appearant the Impulsive Imp lives.
I approve.
He better still be alive. And I better see Patrick Duffy in a shower
bob_at_york
10-03-2005, 11:29 AM
Glad to hear this is probably an alternate reality.... now I don't have to buy the book!
I am MODOK
10-03-2005, 11:31 AM
No way will they paste Bart in an issue of Flash. It would be in Titans or IC itself. Don't worry yet.
bob_at_york
10-03-2005, 11:36 AM
Originally posted by I am MODOK
No way will they paste Bart in an issue of Flash. It would be in Titans or IC itself. Don't worry yet.
I am more worried about Wally right now.
I am MODOK
10-03-2005, 11:42 AM
Originally posted by bob_at_york
I am more worried about Wally right now.
I agree with you there. I still say Nightwing and Wally could be in trouble...
VinnyPic
10-03-2005, 11:43 AM
Originally posted by I am MODOK
I agree with you there. I still say Nightwing and Wally could be in trouble...
I think Wally's gonna hang um up. I really do.
bizarrolike
10-03-2005, 12:01 PM
That would suck,why should wally die when bart is more deserving. You want a real crisis,have Hunter perform a few random speed blitz's to him. bye bye kid flash....
Everyone know's what will happen,inertia will be brought in his place to take the mantle of the new kid flash while renouncing his thawne legacy.
I am MODOK
10-03-2005, 12:06 PM
Originally posted by VinnyPic
I think Wally's gonna hang um up. I really do.
And with two kids, I can't really blame him. Jack Knight did the same thing for his kid...
I'd love another couple issues with the John Fox Flash running around. I always thought the Blue Flash was pretty cool.
VinnyPic
10-03-2005, 12:06 PM
Originally posted by bizarrolike
That would suck,why should wally die when bart is more deserving. You want a real crisis,have Hunter perform a few random speed blitz's to him. bye bye kid flash....
Everyone know's what will happen,inertia will be brought in his place to take the mantle of the new kid flash while renouncing his thawne legacy.
That's just about the stupidest thing I've ever heard.
Wally's going to R-E-T-I-R-E, not die.
bizarrolike
10-03-2005, 12:26 PM
Originally posted by VinnyPic
That's just about the stupidest thing I've ever heard.
Wally's going to R-E-T-I-R-E, not die.
retiring is very anti-climatic for such a large event. Bart is going to D-I-E... the new replacement im sure will have more ritalin in his system to make him less annoying.
Wally is the best,nuff said
VinnyPic
10-03-2005, 12:28 PM
Thank you for your highly informative and well thought out post
bizarrolike
10-03-2005, 12:38 PM
Hey,you may not like that something may happen to bart but those are the breaks.
ElijahSnowFan
10-03-2005, 01:08 PM
Originally posted by VinnyPic
I think Wally's gonna hang um up. I really do.
...for whatever reason, i just see that. the whole wife-and-kids thing...retirement just seems to be a good option for the character, if he is to remain true to what i think his core character is.
he isn't a quitter, mind you -- that's not what i'm saying. i'm saying that he seems to be the kind of person who wouldn't risk excessively his children being orphaned.
bizarrolike
10-03-2005, 01:11 PM
That would just reek if they got wally out of the picture,whether it be through death,retirement. Whatever,just feels wrong.
Originally posted by VinnyPic
no it wasn't Looks like Val Semicks...
bob_at_york
10-03-2005, 01:20 PM
Originally posted by GOSD
Looks like Val Semicks...
I think somebody beat you too it.
Originally posted by bob_at_york
I think somebody beat you too it. :mad:
and here I thought I was so cleaver....
:mad: :D :p
bob_at_york
10-03-2005, 01:27 PM
Originally posted by GOSD
:mad:
and here I thought I was so cleaver....
:mad: :D :p
You cleaver? :rolleyes:
James Asia posted that it was Val two posts after the one you quoted.
Just kidding with the: :rolleyes:
:D
Shenanigans Inc
10-03-2005, 02:09 PM
I doubt bart will die for the simple fact that he and Owen (Captain Boomerang) are half brothers. There has to be some kind of drama whether good or bad, to draw out of that.
Originally posted by bob_at_york
You cleaver? :rolleyes:
James Asia posted that it was Val two posts after the one you quoted.
Just kidding with the: :rolleyes:
:D That's it! I'm leaving! :mad:
:p :D
bob_at_york
10-03-2005, 02:55 PM
Originally posted by Shenanigans Inc
I doubt bart will die for the simple fact that he and Owen (Captain Boomerang) are half brothers. There has to be some kind of drama whether good or bad, to draw out of that.
I see spoiler warnings aren't needed on the new boards!
sikkbones
10-03-2005, 03:51 PM
he looks a little old to be kid flash at the moment?
a future story?
Originally posted by sikkbones
he looks a little old to be kid flash at the moment?
a future story? I think it's set in an alternative reality (that's the impression I'm getting anyway).
bob_at_york
10-03-2005, 03:56 PM
Originally posted by sikkbones
he looks a little old to be kid flash at the moment?
a future story?
When I originally saw the art I thought it looked like Wally back when HE was Kid Flash.
VinnyPic
10-03-2005, 03:56 PM
at the beginning of the story, Wally's kids are teenagers, and Wally is appearantly refllecting om life with them while laying in bed, so something is DEFINATELY up.
VinnyPic
10-03-2005, 03:58 PM
Bart Lives! If you go to Tony Daniel's site and look at the 1/4 of the cover for Teen Titans #30 (which is shipping three months after this) you can see bart's lower torso as he's laying on the ground courtesy of the mystery assailant(s) {be match and Inertia, PLEASE!!!!!}
bob_at_york
10-03-2005, 04:01 PM
Originally posted by VinnyPic
Bart Lives! If you go to Tony Daniel's site and look at the 1/4 of the cover for Teen Titans #30 (which is shipping three months after this) you can see bart's lower torso as he's laying on the ground courtesy of the mystery assailant(s) {be match and Inertia, PLEASE!!!!!}
lying on the ground.... as if he was dead? :(
VinnyPic
10-03-2005, 04:05 PM
Originally posted by bob_at_york
lying on the ground.... as if he was dead? :( well, then all of the YJ cre...oh my. :mad:
bizarrolike
10-03-2005, 04:09 PM
ooookkkkk
bizarrolike
10-03-2005, 04:10 PM
hey vinny on the "welcome to keystone high" segment of your homepage. Who is the artist that drew that banner panel at the top. The one with bart shown in and out of costume?
VinnyPic
10-03-2005, 04:13 PM
Scott Kolins (Out of Costume), Howard Porter (in Costume).
The photoshop amalgamation was my creation however. :)
bizarrolike
10-03-2005, 04:17 PM
kollins did that??? I knew he worked on the flash but didn't realize he did anything on bart. Pretty strong detail,for him.
Hey think about this for a minute...and tell me if this ever crossed your mind. The flash is somehow involved in the crisis as didio alluded too. Also Quicksilver from Marvel has a hand in it.......we should face facts. Marvel and DC use speedsters as plot devices to advance large events.
At least in DC you have numerous people to fill in the role. In marvel we have like what? 2 or 3 at most.
KyleCowstar
10-03-2005, 04:18 PM
Originally posted by VinnyPic
Bart Lives! If you go to Tony Daniel's site and look at the 1/4 of the cover for Teen Titans #30 (which is shipping three months after this) you can see bart's lower torso as he's laying on the ground courtesy of the mystery assailant(s) {be match and Inertia, PLEASE!!!!!}
What is the site's web address?
VinnyPic
10-03-2005, 04:23 PM
http://tonydaniel.blogspot.com/
IvCNuB4
10-05-2005, 11:50 AM
Bart can move so fast that he can vibrate his molecules through solid objects (like when Wally used Jay's helmet to stun Zoom) but he can't move fast enough to get out of the way of a lightning bolt :confused:
punjeb
10-06-2005, 10:42 AM
Two quick thoughts...what if it was Wally in his Kid Flash days? That could really screw up continuity (and thus creating an alternate reality)? And as to that being the Weather Wizard's newer costume...maybe Luther and his Society have cracked the time travel barriers...thus creating the COIE effects.
Also, if it is Bart...our Bart...maybe DC has marked for death all the new characters (Impulse/Kid Flash II, Batgirl II) that have appeared post-COIE.
Originally posted by bob_at_york
lying on the ground.... as if he was dead? :(
"He's not dead, he's resting!"
:D
IvCNuB4
10-06-2005, 01:09 PM
Originally posted by bob_at_york
I see spoiler warnings aren't needed on the new boards!
Dude, that info is like 2 months old now.
What is the expiration date for spoiler warnings :confused:
Stancheck
10-06-2005, 03:46 PM
Originally posted by sikkbones
he looks a little old to be kid flash at the moment?
a future story?
Maybe its Boomerang in Kid Flash´s costume?
can´t believe that its Bart!:(
Stancheck
10-06-2005, 04:38 PM
Originally posted by VinnyPic
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v206/VinnyPic/Picture009.jpg
next panel is chared bone.
Bad joke! This is Wally!The sign on Barts chest is different
Written by Joey Cavalieri; Art by Val Semeiks & Livesay; Cover by Art Thibert
A exciting new creative team comes aboard as THE FLASH speeds toward . . . the end? The past always seems to catch up with the Fastest Man Alive, and as INFINITE CRISIS approaches, Wally West reflects on his life with his wife and kids and sees that the end may be near.
No one dies in this issue!
Stancheck
10-06-2005, 04:41 PM
edit:(
Aaron_W
10-06-2005, 05:12 PM
Why the hell do they want to get rid of Wally West? He's the only Flash that I ever cared about at all.
Because he is a whiner. He quit being Kid Flash then whined when he did not get the proper attention because Dick gave up Robin. And it's Barry Barry Barry all the freakin' time.
IvCNuB4
10-07-2005, 01:30 AM
Originally posted by Stancheck
Bad joke! This is Wally!The sign on Barts chest is different
That's exactly Bart's flash symbol, Bart's floppy hair and Bart's boots. He's just drawn as old as Wally ....
Stancheck
10-07-2005, 09:08 AM
Originally posted by IvCNuB4
That's exactly Bart's flash symbol, Bart's floppy hair and Bart's boots. He's just drawn as old as Wally ....
i hope not!:(
can Vinnie not scan the whole 2 sites for better understanding?
IvCNuB4
10-11-2005, 01:47 PM
bump
IvCNuB4
10-26-2005, 10:56 PM
Ha ! So it was an older Bart who got fried.
In Wally's dream :rolleyes: .....
HIPHOPJUNKIE
10-27-2005, 12:36 AM
IT WAS ALL A DREAM, I USED TO READ WORD UP! MAGAZINE...
DO YOU CRUMBS REALLY THINK DC IS THAT STUPID? SHEESH! MORONS!
James Seals
10-27-2005, 04:35 AM
Just in Case...
I'm sure that someone has mentioned this. But, the sequence in question was an "out of continuity" nightmare. After the panel we see Wally waking up. And to further clear up the apparent confusion, he states in his internal narration:
"I'm constantly thinking quick. I was trained to see danger at every pass and spin thousands of scenarios and possibilities and evasive maneuvers through my head at mach speed.
"That doesn't stop just because I go to sleep."
That and who among us can say that our dreams are "in continuity?"
On a quasi-unrelated note...
I think this was one of the best comics to come out in a long while. Not only was it steeped in excellent characterization, but it was quite humorous and charming at that. Sad to think that this is just a stand alone arc before One Year Later -- because Cavalieri and Semeiks do some excellent work here.
Take care,
James
Johnny Smith
10-27-2005, 11:15 AM
Originally posted by James Seals
On a quasi-unrelated note...
I think this was one of the best comics to come out in a long while. Not only was it steeped in excellent characterization, but it was quite humorous and charming at that. Sad to think that this is just a stand alone arc before One Year Later -- because Cavalieri and Semeiks do some excellent work here.
Take care,
James
Glad to see I wasn't alone in liking this issue! :D
I thought Cavalieri would do a good job with this fill-in arc, and I was pleased that I wasn't disappointed.
gcoleman99
10-27-2005, 05:12 PM
Originally posted by VinnyPic
One of the isuues Creators more or less just told me wait till I see the final issue.
It's appearant the Impulsive Imp lives.
I approve. I don't.
DEADS IS DEADS.
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