Brother Eye - best new villain of 2005? [Archive]

Proud Texan

10-02-2005, 08:11 PM

Well, I can't think of a better villain that has been introduced this year than Brother Eye. Autonomous, murderous "protector" of Humanity who sees all and has a couple hundred thousand Mohawk-wearing, One-eyed OMAC's doing it's bidding.

Any other challenger for Newcomer of the Year: Villain Category?

:)

Kid Justice

10-02-2005, 08:25 PM

I think Max Lord deserves more credit for this than Brother One does.

Proud Texan

10-02-2005, 08:29 PM

Originally posted by Kid Justice
I think Max Lord deserves more credit for this than Brother One does.

Yes, but Max was an existing character. I'm looking more for someone new.

And before anyone says anything - yes I know that Brother Eye has been around for ages, but never in the DCU proper.;)

immortus

10-02-2005, 08:39 PM

the sentinels did it better.

KSChris

10-02-2005, 09:11 PM

Hmm.. I think Ruin was pretty cool..

TTROY

10-02-2005, 09:18 PM

Originally posted by DaReekstah
Hmm.. I think Ruin was pretty cool..

ruin was prett decent..... still getting to the end of that story....Rucka has done amazing work with the big three...

Proud Texan

10-02-2005, 09:19 PM

Originally posted by DaReekstah
Hmm.. I think Ruin was pretty cool..

I only saw him once. I don't read the Superman titles so I'm not too familiar with him. Isn't he Pete Ross or something?

Oh - I may be adding Adventures while Rucka is on there. I've gotten the past couple issues and they have been good.

KSChris

10-02-2005, 09:20 PM

Originally posted by Proud Texan
I only saw him once. I don't read the Superman titles so I'm not too familiar with him. Isn't he Pete Ross or something?

Oh - I may be adding Adventures while Rucka is on there. I've gotten the past couple issues and they have been good.

Not sure, I've missed the past couple issues.. but thats what they were alluding to..

MatthewSmith

10-02-2005, 09:25 PM

Well, Superman unmasked Ruin, and it was Pete under the hood, but Clark, even though he saw it with his own eyes, doesn't believe that its really Pete behind it all.

KSChris

10-02-2005, 09:27 PM

Originally posted by MatthewSmith
Well, Superman unmasked Ruin, and it was Pete under the hood, but Clark, even though he saw it with his own eyes, doesn't believe that its really Pete behind it all.

Yeah, it seems like they're trying to give Supes his very own HUSH..

Wasn't it implied that someone is trying to frame Pete, making him do all that stuff?

Caramuru

10-02-2005, 09:31 PM

Originally posted by Proud Texan
Well, I can't think of a better villain that has been introduced this year than Brother Eye. Autonomous, murderous "protector" of Humanity who sees all and has a couple hundred thousand Mohawk-wearing, One-eyed OMAC's doing it's bidding.

Any other challenger for Newcomer of the Year: Villain Category?

:)

I think the Herdsman from Breach is a really creepy powerful villain. Pity the book got canceled, but maybe they could still use him in other books in the future.

Oh, and PT, it's a fin, not a Mohawk. :p

Proud Texan

10-02-2005, 09:36 PM

Originally posted by Caramuru
I think the Herdsman from Breach is a really creepy powerful villain. Pity the book got canceled, but maybe they could still use him in other books in the future.

Oh, and PT, it's a fin, not a Mohawk. :p

Well....at least it's not a Faux-Hawk!;)

Now, don't throw anything at me - but I never read Breach. By the time I started hearing positive buzz about it the cancellation rumors were going on. I'm kind of sorry I missed out on it.

So, what's the deal with the Herdsman? Powers? Agenda? Favorite color???

HartyPotter

10-02-2005, 09:53 PM

that's weird... because I think the Brother Eyes are unbearably annoying.

Personally, I'm more partial to the Red Hood. He's an awesome villain.

KSChris

10-02-2005, 09:55 PM

Originally posted by HartyPotter
that's weird... because I think the Brother Eyes are unbearably annoying.

Personally, I'm more partial to the Red Hood. He's an awesome villain.

See.. I would've said that as well, but I think Jason is more of an anti-hero than a pure villain.

Caramuru

10-02-2005, 09:58 PM

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http://ibulle.net/comics/images/originales/dccbrev1n009.jpg

This is the best picture I could find. The Herdsman is an African boy who was taken over by some otherdimensional power/intelligence. He's creepy-looking, very thin and very tall. His powers are similar to those of Breach, which are not very well defined and off the scale. He can make human flesh decay with his touch, and mutate human beings so they become possessed by other otherdimensional entities. He also seems to have some energy and psychic abilities. He's kind of a demon from a sci-fi version of Hell, I guess. In the latest Breach issue, he

SPOILERS

regained his human personality and went back to see his childhood friend. At the end of the issue, he regained his Herdsman personality, killed her and seemed very amused by it. Cold mother&%#@*$.

I guess the image thing isn't working...

Proud Texan

10-02-2005, 10:04 PM

Originally posted by HartyPotter
that's weird... because I think the Brother Eyes are unbearably annoying.

Personally, I'm more partial to the Red Hood. He's an awesome villain.

Brother Eye is the AI satellite created by Batman. The finheads you don't like are the OMAC's.:)

Proud Texan

10-02-2005, 10:06 PM

Originally posted by Caramuru
<img src="http://ibulle.net/comics/images/originales/dccbrev1n009.jpg">

http://ibulle.net/comics/images/originales/dccbrev1n009.jpg

This is the best picture I could find. The Herdsman is an African boy who was taken over by some otherdimensional power/intelligence. He's creepy-looking, very thin and very tall. His powers are similar to those of Breach, which are not very well defined and off the scale. He can make human flesh decay with his touch, and mutate human beings so they become possessed by other otherdimensional entities. He also seems to have some energy and psychic abilities. He's kind of a demon from a sci-fi version of Hell, I guess. In the latest Breach issue, he

SPOILERS

regained his human personality and went back to see his childhood friend. At the end of the issue, he regained his Herdsman personality, killed her and seemed very amused by it. Cold mother&%#@*$.

I guess the image thing isn't working...

I see the image on that link. He looks creepy...and from what you just described he is even creepier than he looks.

Man...I'm going to have to buy this comic in the back issue bins.

Caramuru

10-02-2005, 10:20 PM

Originally posted by Proud Texan
I see the image on that link. He looks creepy...and from what you just described he is even creepier than he looks.

Man...I'm going to have to buy this comic in the back issue bins.

It's a real pity it was canceled. It's a good character and a good comic. I actually thought Breach seemed more of a Marvel character than a DC one, in the sense that he has that mentally unbalanced force-of-nature quality of some characters like Namor and Hulk.

MatthewSmith

10-02-2005, 10:52 PM

Originally posted by DaReekstah
Yeah, it seems like they're trying to give Supes his very own HUSH..

Wasn't it implied that someone is trying to frame Pete, making him do all that stuff?

You know, I hadn't thought of that before, but yeah, it does seem that way a little bit. But at least this time there was less hype, so that by the time they revealed that it was the childhood friend that you already expected it to be, there was much less of a letdown.

KSChris

10-02-2005, 11:05 PM

Originally posted by MatthewSmith
You know, I hadn't thought of that before, but yeah, it does seem that way a little bit. But at least this time there was less hype, so that by the time they revealed that it was the childhood friend that you already expected it to be, there was much less of a letdown.

Its because of that that I'm not convinced that its Pete.. but maybe thats exactly the emotion they want from the reader.

MatthewSmith

10-02-2005, 11:19 PM

Originally posted by DaReekstah
Its because of that that I'm not convinced that its Pete.. but maybe thats exactly the emotion they want from the reader.

It would have to be some sort of mind control thing if its not him.

And that could very well be the response they want from us. It would be a case where Superman is too optimistic and trusting for his own good.

Tiger47

10-02-2005, 11:42 PM

Is this strictly DCU villains only? If not, I'd have to say the revealed Adversary in Fables is a pretty cool villain, and an unexpectedly creepy one, to boot.

KSChris

10-02-2005, 11:47 PM

Originally posted by Tiger47
Is this strictly DCU villains only? If not, I'd have to say the revealed Adversary in Fables is a pretty cool villain, and an unexpectedly creepy one, to boot.

I think anything that falls under the DC heading, whether its imprints like Wildstorm or Vertigo, or other.. are fair game for the DC board. And vice versa for Marvel.

NeroMan

10-03-2005, 12:03 AM

Brother Mk 1 is... eh. Skynet did it better.
Best new Villian?
Nyssa.
She's like Vandal Savage, only instead of looking like Tim Curry, she's totally hot.

Rod Odom

10-03-2005, 12:09 AM

Brother Eye / OMAC is another iteration of HAL from 2001 : A Space Odyssey.

Jab

10-03-2005, 12:12 AM

Originally posted by Rod Odom
Brother Eye / OMAC is another iteration of HAL from 2001 : A Space Odyssey. I thought it was a metaphor for a new God for a new millenium.

tralfaz

10-03-2005, 12:13 AM

Originally posted by Rod Odom
Brother Eye / OMAC is another iteration of HAL from 2001 : A Space Odyssey. no its not. Brother Eye is not, as far as we know, self aware trying to preserve its existence. Brother Eye is implementing a protocol that it was given.

Action Ace

10-03-2005, 01:06 AM

Mood 7 Mind Destroyer from Shining Knight is my selection.

Ret

10-03-2005, 01:23 AM

MatthewSmith

10-03-2005, 01:29 AM

Originally posted by tralfaz
no its not. Brother Eye is not, as far as we know, self aware trying to preserve its existence. Brother Eye is implementing a protocol that it was given.

I thought he was self-aware.

Stalzer2002

10-03-2005, 01:48 AM

New villain? Hardly...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solaris_(DC_comics)

David Bird

10-03-2005, 03:13 AM

Originally posted by Action Ace
Mood 7 Mind Destroyer from Shining Knight is my selection.

What about the Sheeda queen herself?

MoneyMelon

10-03-2005, 12:28 PM

I think Brother I is pretty lame. The "self aware machine gone bad" thing has been done to death.

OMAC

10-03-2005, 12:33 PM

OMAC

10-03-2005, 12:36 PM

Originally posted by MoneyMelon
I think Brother I is pretty lame. The "self aware machine gone bad" thing has been done to death. I think you've missed the point. The self-aware machine hasn't "gone bad" in the strictest sense. It's doing what it think is best to PROTECT humanity.

Paradiso

10-03-2005, 12:39 PM

My vote for Best New Villain goes to Praetor Lemnos from Legion of Super-heroes. He is new right? The Legion continuity is so damn confusing. I love that he is invisible to everything... video, psychics and even people's memory. I also love how he has been influencing Galactic politics, because I think that is the most realistic use of a power like that.

Proud Texan

10-03-2005, 12:43 PM

Originally posted by Paradiso
My vote for Best New Villain goes to Praetor Lemnos from Legion of Super-heroes. He is new right? The Legion continuity is so damn confusing. I love that he is invisible to everything... video, psychics and even people's memory. I also love how he has been influencing Galactic politics, because I think that is the most realistic use of a power like that.

Oooo....excellent pick! Praetor Lemnos has been quite the foe in the Legion of Superheroes...always 2 steps ahead of them!:)

MoneyMelon

10-03-2005, 01:24 PM

Originally posted by OMAC
I think you've missed the point. The self-aware machine hasn't "gone bad" in the strictest sense. It's doing what it think is best to PROTECT humanity.
Protect humanity fro what? The superheroes? The guys who routinely save the whole planet, if not the universe, over and over and over again? Who will protect the earth if the heroes are gone?

OMAC

10-03-2005, 01:40 PM

Originally posted by MoneyMelon
Protect humanity fro what? The superheroes? The guys who routinely save the whole planet, if not the universe, over and over and over again? Who will protect the earth if the heroes are gone? The OMACs, of course.

MoneyMelon

10-03-2005, 01:42 PM

Originally posted by OMAC
The OMACs, of course.
And who protects humanity from the Omacs?

Fazhoul

10-03-2005, 01:54 PM

Originally posted by DaReekstah
Hmm.. I think Ruin was pretty cool..
There wasn't one thing about Ruin, even before he was "revealed" to be Pete Ross, that I found cool or interesting.

OMAC

10-03-2005, 01:55 PM

Originally posted by MoneyMelon
And who protects humanity from the Omacs? The OMACs are there to protect humanity. That is their purpose. They see (or rather, Brother Eye sees) the metahumans (heroes and villains) as threats to humanity and that is why you have seen OMACs attack said heroes and villains :)

cncoyle

10-03-2005, 02:22 PM

Whatever happened to Solaris from DC 1,000,000? Could he/it be connected to Brother Eye?

Doc Midnight

10-03-2005, 03:41 PM

I thought of Brother I as a plot device more than a villain. If the JLA transporter started talking it'd be the same thing.

When it comes to villains I want a qualities like:

Self Direction - The best villains can do all sorts of dirty work based on plans they themselves came up with. Luthor will always be cool. The Mad Hatter will always be a tool.

Effectivness - The villain has to accomplish something that actually affects the hero at his core. The Joker and Kingpin could always get this done.

Awe - The villain has to inspire awe. Doom and Magneto always warrant a Splash page to open and close a book.

Brother I, for all of the hype surrounding this event, is just following a pattern. The Omacs haven't even taken out people we care about. Like if Jay Garrick, Changeling, and Guy Gardner, I'd be way impressed.

As it looks now they'll wipe out more dudes DC is a bit embarassed about and that's all...well for now at least.

The best new villains this year were IMO, Lemnos, in the LSH book. he has the power to selectively erase memories of himself. Highly manipulative and so far, effective. They have a stereotypical space war brewing because of it.

Evil Connor Kent, while not a Villain was pretty cool too.

OMAC

10-03-2005, 03:45 PM

Originally posted by Doc Midnight
Brother I, for all of the hype surrounding this event, is just following a pattern. The Omacs haven't even taken out people we care about. Like if Jay Garrick, Changeling, and Guy Gardner, I'd be way impressed.

As it looks now they'll wipe out more dudes DC is a bit embarassed about and that's all...well for now at least. Although it would be great if DC showed just how powerful they are by killing off some 'big' heroes - it's never going to happen. I think the best demonstration of what the OMACs are capable of (so far) was in JSA #76 when an OMAC attacked the JSA and nearly beat them all.

Rod Odom

10-03-2005, 04:02 PM

Originally posted by OMAC
I think you've missed the point. The self-aware machine hasn't "gone bad" in the strictest sense. It's doing what it think is best to PROTECT humanity.

So it's a Sentinel ?

Doc Midnight

10-03-2005, 04:07 PM

Originally posted by OMAC
Although it would be great if DC showed just how powerful they are by killing off some 'big' heroes - it's never going to happen. I think the best demonstration of what the OMACs are capable of (so far) was in JSA #76 when an OMAC attacked the JSA and nearly beat them all.

Yeah but I din't name any Big Heroes. I named guys that, if killed, would be missed and could actually go out as heroes. Killing Katanna would mean nothing. Clayface could do that. Why kill someone like the Sea Devils? I also ge thet they wouldn't kill Changeling cuz he's on that cartoon but you know what I mean.

When you want to show a villain is powerful you have to have him "Beat" the heros but then what? I mean Roullette beat the JSA. Then what happened?

MoneyMelon

10-03-2005, 04:07 PM

Originally posted by Rod Odom
So it's a Sentinel ?
yeah, it's more or less a DC Sentinel

Punchy

10-03-2005, 04:28 PM

BrotherI sucks, he's just lame, OMAC Project would have been som much better if they had kept Max as the big-bad.

He can't be the best Villain with no personality can he now? What makes him so good? The OMACs? They suck too! Flying into every comic for no reason. Max Lord should be ashamed!

Nightdawn

10-03-2005, 05:27 PM

Originally posted by Tiger47
Is this strictly DCU villains only? If not, I'd have to say the revealed Adversary in Fables is a pretty cool villain, and an unexpectedly creepy one, to boot.

For those of us who don't read Fables, what's the deal with The Adversary?

David Bird

10-03-2005, 05:40 PM

Originally posted by Nightdawn
For those of us who don't read Fables, what's the deal with The Adversary?

In Fables all the storybook characters have been driven from their homelands -- and into New York -- by a nameless Adversary. A conqueror who wants to control all. In the latest arc we learned who he really is (which had been a mystery til now).

Nightdawn

10-03-2005, 05:42 PM

Originally posted by David Bird
In Fables all the storybook characters have been driven from their homelands -- and into New York -- by a nameless Adversary. A conqueror who wants to control all. In the latest arc we learned who he really is (which had been a mystery til now).

And that would be...? Inviso-text it if you want, or PM it to me, please.

Stalzer2002

10-03-2005, 06:07 PM

Originally posted by cncoyle
Whatever happened to Solaris from DC 1,000,000? Could he/it be connected to Brother Eye?

I found this from wikipedia's entry on DC One Million:

Meanwhile, in the 853rd century, the original JLA are fighting an alliance between Solaris and Vandal Savage. Vandal Savage has found a sample of kryptonite on Mars (where it was left by the future Starman in the 20th century), which he gives to Solaris. Solaris, in a final attack, slaughters thousands of superhumans so he can fire the kryptonite into the sun and kill Superman before he emerges. The JLA's Green Lantern causes Solaris to go supernova and he and the Superman of the 853rd century contain the resulting blast - but not before the kryptonite is released.

It is then revealed that a secret conspiracy - forewarned by the trouble in the 20th century - has spent the intervening centuries coming up with a foolproof plan for stopping Solaris. Their actions included replacing the hidden kryptonite with a disguised Green Lantern ring - with which the original Superman emerges from the sun and finishes Solaris - and booby-trapping Vandal Savage's personal transporter, which sends him to meet his long-postponed end, in a suitably ironic manner.

I think Brother I is like some kind of Beta version for Solaris. They're both sentient machines that look like giant floating eyeballs...how can they not be related?

David Bird

10-03-2005, 06:22 PM

Originally posted by Nightdawn
And that would be...? Inviso-text it if you want, or PM it to me, please.

Gepetto - the ultimate (or obvious?) puppet master!

OMAC

10-03-2005, 06:32 PM

Originally posted by Stalzer2002
I think Brother I is like some kind of Beta version for Solaris. They're both sentient machines that look like giant floating eyeballs...how can they not be related? An Infinite Crisis clue perhaps? ;)

Stancheck

10-03-2005, 07:04 PM

Originally posted by Rod Odom
Brother Eye / OMAC is another iteration of HAL from 2001 : A Space Odyssey.

Brother Eye is the Anti-Monitor of the post-crisis area!

Hush & Red Hood are great!
I hope Catman becomes an anti-hero!I like him!
Deadshot was great as DC´s Punisher
Deathstroke liked him better as a hero,
but he is good as villain too.

Paradiso

10-03-2005, 10:22 PM

Originally posted by Stalzer2002
I found this from wikipedia's entry on DC One Million:

I think Brother I is like some kind of Beta version for Solaris. They're both sentient machines that look like giant floating eyeballs...how can they not be related?

One thing the wiki doesn't mention is that Solaris was actually created by the current day JLA, because (and this was one of those convulted Morrison deus ex machina type endings) it was the only thing that would be able to cure the global techno-virus that infected all of the planet Earth (got to love Morrison).

At the end of the 1 Million event, 853rd Century Starman sacrificed his own life and sent Solaris out across the galaxy far far away from Earth. I think it was mentioned that the move he performed (creating a black hole or something) would exile Solaris so far away it would take 1,000 years for it to get back to Earth.

So all that said, I suppose Solaris is somehow involved seeing that he does now exist in the present day DCU.

soarjubs

10-04-2005, 09:28 AM

Originally posted by cncoyle
Whatever happened to Solaris from DC 1,000,000? Could he/it be connected to Brother Eye?

Dammit Cncoyle!
I've been wondering if OMAC is related to Solaris for about three months now, but kept forgetting to put it up on the boards. Now all the glory will be yours! Can I get an honorable mention at least?

soarjubs

10-04-2005, 09:29 AM

Originally posted by Paradiso
One thing the wiki doesn't mention is that Solaris was actually created by the current day JLA, because (and this was one of those convulted Morrison deus ex machina type endings) it was the only thing that would be able to cure the global techno-virus that infected all of the planet Earth (got to love Morrison).

Couldn't the OMACs themselves be considered a global techno-virus theoretically?

OMAC

10-04-2005, 09:45 AM

Originally posted by soarjubs
Couldn't the OMACs themselves be considered a global techno-virus theoretically? Exactly. The OMACs are humans infected with a nanite (i.e. technological) virus.

Brother Eye = Solaris.

Perfect. That's a damn fine theory.

soarjubs

10-04-2005, 09:50 AM

Originally posted by OMAC
Exactly. The OMACs are humans infected with a nanite (i.e. technological) virus.

Brother Eye = Solaris.

Perfect. That's a damn fine theory.

The real question is, do the JLA modify Brother Eye to reverse the OMAC virus or do they build an advanced Brother Eye clone or something? I will be so thrilled if Solaris appears in the DCU. He's such a tremendous villain in <i>DC 1,000,000</i>.

cncoyle

10-04-2005, 10:58 AM

Originally posted by soarjubs
Dammit Cncoyle!
I've been wondering if OMAC is related to Solaris for about three months now, but kept forgetting to put it up on the boards. Now all the glory will be yours! Can I get an honorable mention at least? Well, three months predates my couple-of-days-ago, so I doff my hat to you, good sir!http://www.casey-online.de/smilies/tophat.gif

soarjubs

10-04-2005, 12:19 PM

Originally posted by cncoyle
Well, three months predates my couple-of-days-ago, so I doff my hat to you, good sir!http://www.casey-online.de/smilies/tophat.gif

Thanks, buddy!
"I AM MODOK" has been telling me to post it for weeks, and it was only the welcome separation into the DC/Marvel subforums that truly prompted me. I'm just glad the theory is catching on!

I am MODOK

10-04-2005, 12:23 PM

Thanks for the new avatar idea, lads.

MoneyMelon

10-04-2005, 12:30 PM

From Wikipedia:
"According to DC One Million, Solaris was originally created in the late 20th century, but his first recorded supervillainous activity occurred centuries later, so it is unlikely that he will make any appearances in regular DC Comics. However, Morrison has stated that he will use him in his out-of-continuity All-Star Superman series in 2005."

Doesn't really sound like Brother I to me.

soarjubs

10-04-2005, 12:33 PM

Originally posted by MoneyMelon
From Wikipedia:
"According to DC One Million, Solaris was originally created in the late 20th century, but his first recorded supervillainous activity occurred centuries later, so it is unlikely that he will make any appearances in regular DC Comics. However, Morrison has stated that he will use him in his out-of-continuity All-Star Superman series in 2005."

Doesn't really sound like Brother I to me.

All I'm saying is, with Morrison where he will be with DC Editorial, and Johns loving to use old villains from the past, and Brother One totally looking like Solaris, it's too similar. They could retro-tweak the details to make it fit.

OMAC

10-04-2005, 12:34 PM

Originally posted by MoneyMelon
From Wikipedia:
"According to DC One Million, Solaris was originally created in the late 20th century, but his first recorded supervillainous activity occurred centuries later, so it is unlikely that he will make any appearances in regular DC Comics. However, Morrison has stated that he will use him in his out-of-continuity All-Star Superman series in 2005."

Doesn't really sound like Brother I to me. I've asked the question in Geoff Johns' Q&A anyway. You never know what timeline the Crisis will take.

MoneyMelon

10-04-2005, 12:42 PM

Originally posted by OMAC
I've asked the question in Geoff Johns' Q&A anyway. You never know what timeline the Crisis will take.
That's very true and Johns is very good with the element of surprise. I'm more inclined to think Solaris is kind of like an anti-Omac that turns bad in the future, but I'm always wrong about these things. :D

Evil Twin

10-05-2005, 12:32 AM

Reason no. 1 why I have a hard time calling Brother Eye the best new villain is that I can't see it existing as is past Infinite Crisis. Right now it just looks like a one shot villain without any motivation beyond its programming. Evolving it to Solaris is probably the only way for it to exist as a recurring villain.

Still, not a lot of competition so far this year. However, I'm very fond of the Sheeda and their Queen over in Seven Soldiers. Heck, I could see the Subway Pirates from Guardian returning in some form or another as well.