remembering Chris Claremont...

[rodolfo leon]

say what you want about the man, and how bad his writing has gotten, but once upon a time he was a GIANT among men.

so why not remember the good things about ol' Chris Claremont, his priceless early X-Men run, his Iron Fist, his Avengers, his Fantastic Four... his work with Bill S on the New Mutants.

c'mon, for old time's sake, let's give the man his due. :)

[Lestat de Lioncourt]

Originally posted by rodolfo leon
say what you want about the man, and how bad his writing has gotten, but once upon a time he was a GIANT among men.

so why not remember the good things about ol' Chris Claremont, his priceless early X-Men run, his Iron Fist, his Avengers, his Fantastic Four... his work with Bill S on the New Mutants.

c'mon, for old time's sake, let's give the man his due. :)

He did the Avengers?! :eek:

I can't wait to read all his stuff! I still think he's good! But don't forget his Wolverine!

[J.C. Bakken]

Originally posted by rodolfo leon
say what you want about the man, and how bad his writing has gotten, but once upon a time he was a GIANT among men.

so why not remember the good things about ol' Chris Claremont, his priceless early X-Men run, his Iron Fist, his Avengers, his Fantastic Four... his work with Bill S on the New Mutants.

c'mon, for old time's sake, let's give the man his due. :)

Here Chris , have a due. :D

Seriously, I still like him. He is still okey in my book... and in his own books of course.

[J.C. Bakken]

Originally posted by Lestat de Lioncourt
He did the Avengers?! :eek:

I can't wait to read all his stuff! I still think he's good! But don't forget his Wolverine!

A part from Avengers Annual 10, which focused on Spider-Woman, Rogue and the rest of the Brotherhood of Evil Mutants II. It was an epilogue to the Ms. Marvel story that never saw original print.
Other then that, I don't think he has done any Avengers.
Could a fill here and there, before he got big and famous, though.

[rodolfo leon]

Originally posted by J.C. Bakken
A part from Avengers Annual 10, which focused on Spider-Woman, Rogue and the rest of the Brotherhood of Evil Mutants II. It was an epilogue to the Ms. Marvel story that never saw original print.
Other then that, I don't think he has done any Avengers.
Could a fill here and there, before he got big and famous, though.

exactly!

he also did some work for Ms Marvel with John Buscema and Joe Sinnot!

[Lestat de Lioncourt]

Originally posted by J.C. Bakken
A part from Avengers Annual 10, which focused on Spider-Woman, Rogue and the rest of the Brotherhood of Evil Mutants II. It was an epilogue to the Ms. Marvel story that never saw original print.
Other then that, I don't think he has done any Avengers.
Could a fill here and there, before he got big and famous, though.

Cheers Ears! :D

Let's not forget those fresh Marvel Team-Ups he did with John Byrne! I enjoyed the reprint they did of them a few years back.

[ElijahSnowFan]

...because while i haven't read any X-Men for a couple of years, his stories are a major reason why i do read comics.

i'm glad to see that Marvel's continued to let him write. some creators...they deserve to have a book, if sales merit. he has helped make Marvel a lot of money over the years, and there's something to be said for that, for loyalty, for performance, even IF his best stories might be behind him.

[Lestat de Lioncourt]

Originally posted by ElijahSnowFan
...because while i haven't read any X-Men for a couple of years, his stories are a major reason why i do read comics.

i'm glad to see that Marvel's continued to let him write. some creators...they deserve to have a book, if sales merit. he has helped make Marvel a lot of money over the years, and there's something to be said for that, for loyalty, for performance, even IF his best stories might be behind him.

That's the thing though. I don't think his best stories are behind him! IMO Chris should be given the opportunity to drive the franchise with his own creative vision. The X-Men should be proactively written first and formost by Chris while other franchise books orbit this momentum. Im very sure he has great ideas and stories to tell given the chance. Supremely epic stories of character, sacrifice, tragedy and drama.

[Black Terror]

Originally posted by Lestat de Lioncourt
That's the thing though. I don't think his best stories are behind him! IMO Chris should be given the opportunity to drive the franchise with his own creative vision. The X-Men should be proactively written first and formost by Chris while other franchise books orbit this momentum. Im very sure he has great ideas and stories to tell given the chance. Supremely epic stories of character, sacrifice, tragedy and drama.


Now if he can just stop introducing Wolverine in every issue, we'll be ready to go.

[Lestat de Lioncourt]

Originally posted by Black Terror
Now if he can just stop introducing Wolverine in every issue, we'll be ready to go.

Stan Lee's rule, every issue is someone's first! ;)

[csGuy]

I honestly did not get into comics until the Claremont years were well and gone...so i have no fond memories of him.

I've gone to read some of his old stuff, of course, but it always seemed a little dated.

[Lestat de Lioncourt]

Originally posted by csGuy
I honestly did not get into comics until the Claremont years were well and gone...so i have no fond memories of him.

I've gone to read some of his old stuff, of course, but it always seemed a little dated.

I have no fond memories of anything before 1994, comic wise, apart from in UK newsagent reprints! And I still think X-Men would bebetter served under CC's creative vision!

[tesh_karde]

that's the thing that'd suck about writing an x-book, one creator is gonna get first pick, and everyone else pretty much trickles down from there. i think when chris relaunched the x-men during revolution, that was some awesome stuff. if they teamed him with claremont, one on uncanny, one on new, damn that would rock. they just need to team him with someone modern and edgier, have the two of them drive that franchise, they'd be in the money.

[D-Mac]

Originally posted by rodolfo leon
say what you want about the man, and how bad his writing has gotten, but once upon a time he was a GIANT among men.

so why not remember the good things about ol' Chris Claremont, his priceless early X-Men run, his Iron Fist, his Avengers, his Fantastic Four... his work with Bill S on the New Mutants.

c'mon, for old time's sake, let's give the man his due. :) I loved Claremont's first X-Men run. A lot of it mirrored the energy of the Kirby/Lee days of the company. His second and third runs are lackluster. They just don't have that same shine.

When he came on Fantastic Four, I didn't have a lot of faith in his stories. A bad taste was still in my mouth over the unceremonial dumping of Scott Lobdell.

[Tiger47]

I think the problem with Chris's recent stuff is that there's been too much outside influence. When he relaunched X-Men, no one expected that one day, because of him, they'd be publishing 20 different X-Comics a month, and he was allowed to do more or less whatever he wanted. Recently though, that has not been the case. Revolution and the Six-Month Gap were derailed by the movie, X-Treme X-Men lost a lot of its focus once the team lost its focus (which is more or less the big problem with UXM right now. Remember when they were supposed to be the X.S.E? They haven't done anything related to that since the second arc!), and Excalibur was clearly supposed to be this long, slowly building, Sinister story, that got canned a year in because of HoM. Hopefully New Excalibur will provide him the creative room he needs.

[Royal Nonesuch]

I of course, came of age as a comic book reader due to Chris Claremont's X-Men work, so I have all the respect for him in the world. I even love his current Uncanny work, which gets dumped on a lot around these here boards.

[shogan]

He was awesome! Some of the best comics stories came from him, and his X-Men run was legendary (Up until they left Australia for some reason).

But lately, his X-Men work has been bad. Not just his, but everyone involved with X-Men has been horrible (Except for Astonishing and New (Morrisson) X-Men.

[Twigglet]

I love his older X-men stories, and his Iron Fist run is great to.

Unfortunatly for hatever reason, his current ideas aren't as good :(

[RedRonin]

Didn't he also do the first vol. of Captain Britain?

I swear I remember seeing his name on some of those stories. Not that I'm that old, I didn't start getting into comics until the early 90's and didn't come back till like 1998.

[Godfather]

Originally posted by rodolfo leon
say what you want about the man, and how bad his writing has gotten, but once upon a time he was a GIANT among men.

so why not remember the good things about ol' Chris Claremont, his priceless early X-Men run, his Iron Fist, his Avengers, his Fantastic Four... his work with Bill S on the New Mutants.

c'mon, for old time's sake, let's give the man his due. :)

I've said this before, I think his "classic" stuff is with others helping plot with him (specifically Byrne). Byrne helped plot XMen, Iron First and I believe some Fantastic Four.

I really think Chris needs someone to "reign him in" and keep him from going into la la land with his stories.

[J.C. Bakken]

From the svell guys at UHoMCC (http://www.maelmill-insi.de/UHBMCC/FRAMES00.HTM) ¨

Claremont, Christopher Story/Plot
Alpha Flight (I) 17
Amazing Adventures (IV) 1
Avengers (I) 102
Avengers Annual 10
The Best of Marvel 1
Bizarre Adventures 25, 27
The Black Dragon 1 - 6
Black Goliath 2 - 5
Captain America (I) 237, 258
Captain Britain (I) 1 - 10
Captain Britain Annual 1
Captain Marvel (I) (Mar-Vell) 46
Champions 4
Classic X-Men 1 - 110
Contest of the Champions II 1 - 5
Daredevil (I) 102, 117, 375
Daredevil Annual 4
Deadly Hands of Kung Fu 19 - 24, 32 - 33
Deadly Hands of Kung Fu Special Album Edition 1
The Defenders (I) 19, 57
Dr. Strange (II) 38 - 45
Epic Illustrated 10 - 12, 18, 22 - 23
Excalibur (I) 1 - 19, 21 - 25, 27, 32 - 34
Excalibur (III) 1 - 14
Excalibur Mojo Mayhem 1
Excalibur Special Editon: The Sword Is Drawn 1
The Fantastic 4th Voyage of Sinbad 1
Fantastic Four (III) 4 - 32
Fantastic Four Annual 2000 1
Fantastic Four Annual '99 1
Fantastic Four vs. X-Men 1 - 4
Gambit and Bishop: Sons of the Atom Genesis 1
Giant Sized Spider-Man 1
Giant-Size Defenders 5
Giant-Size Dracula 2 - 3
Giant-Size Marvel TPB 1
Giant-Size Super Stars Featuring Fantastic Four 4
Giant-Size X-Men 1
Heroes for Hope starring X-Men 1
Heroes Reborn Ashema 1
Heroes Reborn Doom 1
Heroes Reborn Doomsday 1
The Incredible Hulk (II) 148, 170
Incredible Hulk Annual 5
Iron Fist (I) 1 - 15
Iron Man Annual 2001 1
John Carter, Warlord of Mars 16 - 27
John Carter, Warlord of Mars Annual 3
Kitty Pryde and Wolverine 1 - 6
Magik (I) (Illyana and Storm Limited Series) 1 - 4
Magneto 0
Magneto Ascendent 1
Man-Thing (II) 4 - 8, 10 - 11
Marvel Chillers 4
Marvel Classics Comics Series Featuring 14, 17
Marvel Comics Presents 1 - 10
Marvel Fanfare (I) 1 - 5, 24, 33, 40
Marvel Graphic Novel 4 - 5, 21
Marvel Premiere 23 - 25, 27
Marvel Preview 3 - 4, 7, 11, 14 - 15
Marvel Spotlight (I) 24
Marvel Super-Heroes (II) 97
Marvel Super-Heroes (III) 10 - 11
Marvel Tales Annual 131 - 133, 193 - 198 , 201 - 208, 235 - 236, 242, 245, 250, 255
Marvel Team-Up (I) 57 - 70, 74 - 77, 79 - 86, 88 - 89, 100, 135
Marvel Team-Up Annual 1 - 2
Marvel Treasury Edition 26
Marvel Two-In-One 9 - 10
Mekanix 1 - 6
The Mighty Thor Annual 9
Monsters Unleashed 4, 9 - 10
Ms. Marvel 3 - 23
The New Mutants (I) 1 - 54, 63, 81
The New Mutants Annual 1 - 3
New Mutants Special Edition 1
Peter Parker, the Spectacular Spider-Man 11
Peter Parker Spider-Man Annual 2000 1
Phoenix: The untold Story (Jean Grey) 1
Power Man 47 - 53
Power Man Annual 1
Power Man and Iron Fist 76
Rom 17 - 18
Sabretooth Classics 9 - 10, 12 - 15
The Savage Sword of Conan 74
Solo Avengers 14
Special Collector's Edition featuring Savage Fists of Kung Fu 1
Special Edition X-Men 1
Spider-Woman (I) (Jessica Drew) 34 - 46
Star Wars 17, 53 - 54
Star Wars Annual 1
Star-Lord Megazine 1
Star-Lord Special Edition 1
Tales of the Zombie 9
Uncanny X-Men 94 - 279, 381 - 389, 444 - 464
Uncanny X-Men Annual 3 - 12, 14
Uncanny X-Men/New Teen Titans 1
Vampire Tales 9
War is Hell 9 - 15
What if Magneto Had Formed the X-Men with Professor X? 1
What if? (II) 32
Witchblade/Wolverine 1
Wolverine (I) 1 - 4
Wolverine (II) 1 - 8, 10, 125 - 128
Wolverine: Save the Tiger 1
X-Factor (I) 65 - 68
X-Men (II) 1 - 3, 100 - 109, 165
X-Men/Alpha Flight (I) 1 - 2
X-Men and the Amazing Spider-Man: Savage Land 1
X-Men Anniversary Magazine 1
X-Men Annual 2000 1
X-Men Archives 1 - 4
X-Men Black Sun 1 - 5
X-Men vs. Dracula 1
X-Men: Earthfall 1
X-Men: The End (I) 1 - 6
X-Men: The End (II) - Heroes and Martyrs 1 - 6
X-Men: God Loves, Man Kills - Special Edition 1
X-Men: Lost Tales 1 - 2
X-Men/Micronauts 1 - 4
X-Men Rarities 1
X-Men (Special Collector's Edition) 1
X-Men True friends 1 - 3
X-Men Universe 9, 11 - 15
X-Men Unlimited (I) 27, 36, 39, 43
X-Treme X-Men 1 - 46
X-Treme X-Men Annual 2001 1
X-Treme X-Men: Savage Land 1 - 4
X-Treme X-Men X-Pose 1 - 2

[Lestat de Lioncourt]

Originally posted by J.C. Bakken
From the svell guys at UHoMCC (http://www.maelmill-insi.de/UHBMCC/FRAMES00.HTM) ¨

Claremont, Christopher Story/Plot
Alpha Flight (I) 17
Amazing Adventures (IV) 1
Avengers (I) 102
Avengers Annual 10
The Best of Marvel 1
Bizarre Adventures 25, 27
The Black Dragon 1 - 6
Black Goliath 2 - 5
Captain America (I) 237, 258
Captain Britain (I) 1 - 10
Captain Britain Annual 1
Captain Marvel (I) (Mar-Vell) 46
Champions 4
Classic X-Men 1 - 110
Contest of the Champions II 1 - 5
Daredevil (I) 102, 117, 375
Daredevil Annual 4
Deadly Hands of Kung Fu 19 - 24, 32 - 33
Deadly Hands of Kung Fu Special Album Edition 1
The Defenders (I) 19, 57
Dr. Strange (II) 38 - 45
Epic Illustrated 10 - 12, 18, 22 - 23
Excalibur (I) 1 - 19, 21 - 25, 27, 32 - 34
Excalibur (III) 1 - 14
Excalibur Mojo Mayhem 1
Excalibur Special Editon: The Sword Is Drawn 1
The Fantastic 4th Voyage of Sinbad 1
Fantastic Four (III) 4 - 32
Fantastic Four Annual 2000 1
Fantastic Four Annual '99 1
Fantastic Four vs. X-Men 1 - 4
Gambit and Bishop: Sons of the Atom Genesis 1
Giant Sized Spider-Man 1
Giant-Size Defenders 5
Giant-Size Dracula 2 - 3
Giant-Size Marvel TPB 1
Giant-Size Super Stars Featuring Fantastic Four 4
Giant-Size X-Men 1
Heroes for Hope starring X-Men 1
Heroes Reborn Ashema 1
Heroes Reborn Doom 1
Heroes Reborn Doomsday 1
The Incredible Hulk (II) 148, 170
Incredible Hulk Annual 5
Iron Fist (I) 1 - 15
Iron Man Annual 2001 1
John Carter, Warlord of Mars 16 - 27
John Carter, Warlord of Mars Annual 3
Kitty Pryde and Wolverine 1 - 6
Magik (I) (Illyana and Storm Limited Series) 1 - 4
Magneto 0
Magneto Ascendent 1
Man-Thing (II) 4 - 8, 10 - 11
Marvel Chillers 4
Marvel Classics Comics Series Featuring 14, 17
Marvel Comics Presents 1 - 10
Marvel Fanfare (I) 1 - 5, 24, 33, 40
Marvel Graphic Novel 4 - 5, 21
Marvel Premiere 23 - 25, 27
Marvel Preview 3 - 4, 7, 11, 14 - 15
Marvel Spotlight (I) 24
Marvel Super-Heroes (II) 97
Marvel Super-Heroes (III) 10 - 11
Marvel Tales Annual 131 - 133, 193 - 198 , 201 - 208, 235 - 236, 242, 245, 250, 255
Marvel Team-Up (I) 57 - 70, 74 - 77, 79 - 86, 88 - 89, 100, 135
Marvel Team-Up Annual 1 - 2
Marvel Treasury Edition 26
Marvel Two-In-One 9 - 10
Mekanix 1 - 6
The Mighty Thor Annual 9
Monsters Unleashed 4, 9 - 10
Ms. Marvel 3 - 23
The New Mutants (I) 1 - 54, 63, 81
The New Mutants Annual 1 - 3
New Mutants Special Edition 1
Peter Parker, the Spectacular Spider-Man 11
Peter Parker Spider-Man Annual 2000 1
Phoenix: The untold Story (Jean Grey) 1
Power Man 47 - 53
Power Man Annual 1
Power Man and Iron Fist 76
Rom 17 - 18
Sabretooth Classics 9 - 10, 12 - 15
The Savage Sword of Conan 74
Solo Avengers 14
Special Collector's Edition featuring Savage Fists of Kung Fu 1
Special Edition X-Men 1
Spider-Woman (I) (Jessica Drew) 34 - 46
Star Wars 17, 53 - 54
Star Wars Annual 1
Star-Lord Megazine 1
Star-Lord Special Edition 1
Tales of the Zombie 9
Uncanny X-Men 94 - 279, 381 - 389, 444 - 464
Uncanny X-Men Annual 3 - 12, 14
Uncanny X-Men/New Teen Titans 1
Vampire Tales 9
War is Hell 9 - 15
What if Magneto Had Formed the X-Men with Professor X? 1
What if? (II) 32
Witchblade/Wolverine 1
Wolverine (I) 1 - 4
Wolverine (II) 1 - 8, 10, 125 - 128
Wolverine: Save the Tiger 1
X-Factor (I) 65 - 68
X-Men (II) 1 - 3, 100 - 109, 165
X-Men/Alpha Flight (I) 1 - 2
X-Men and the Amazing Spider-Man: Savage Land 1
X-Men Anniversary Magazine 1
X-Men Annual 2000 1
X-Men Archives 1 - 4
X-Men Black Sun 1 - 5
X-Men vs. Dracula 1
X-Men: Earthfall 1
X-Men: The End (I) 1 - 6
X-Men: The End (II) - Heroes and Martyrs 1 - 6
X-Men: God Loves, Man Kills - Special Edition 1
X-Men: Lost Tales 1 - 2
X-Men/Micronauts 1 - 4
X-Men Rarities 1
X-Men (Special Collector's Edition) 1
X-Men True friends 1 - 3
X-Men Universe 9, 11 - 15
X-Men Unlimited (I) 27, 36, 39, 43
X-Treme X-Men 1 - 46
X-Treme X-Men Annual 2001 1
X-Treme X-Men: Savage Land 1 - 4
X-Treme X-Men X-Pose 1 - 2

Erm, I think it's safe to say the man know's what he's doing. :)

He should SO be granted the chance to steer the franchise with his own creative vision. Morrison and Whedon did, so why not the chap who made the franchise world famous...!?

[GoatMaster]

Because when he 'made the franchise world-famous', things weren't like they are today. Story ideas were pitched by the editorial staff and artists co-plotted things. Writers had a lot less to do with the story than they do today, where they have near-complete control.

I seriously think that is what is wrong with Claremont's work now, why it isn't living up to his first run. He needs a good artist to help him co-plot, to say "Wait, what? No. That's lame." instead of just draw whatever he says to. Maybe even a more active editor for him to bounce ideas off of.

I still think Claremont is okay, and I read Uncanny every month, but I think this could bring him back to his glory days.

[Godfather]

Originally posted by GoatMaster
Because when he 'made the franchise world-famous', things weren't like they are today. Story ideas were pitched by the editorial staff and artists co-plotted things. Writers had a lot less to do with the story than they do today, where they have near-complete control.

I seriously think that is what is wrong with Claremont's work now, why it isn't living up to his first run. He needs a good artist to help him co-plot, to say "Wait, what? No. That's lame." instead of just draw whatever he says to. Maybe even a more active editor for him to bounce ideas off of.

I still think Claremont is okay, and I read Uncanny every month, but I think this could bring him back to his glory days.

Hey, I just said that. :p

[arthur pendragon]

Originally posted by GoatMaster
Because when he 'made the franchise world-famous', things weren't like they are today. Story ideas were pitched by the editorial staff and artists co-plotted things. Writers had a lot less to do with the story than they do today, where they have near-complete control.


Au contraire.

http://www.newsarama.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=11155

Not that Claremont was ever a writer/editor, but I take strong exception to the assertion that the autonomy of writers on corporate characters is greater today than the 70's at Marvel.

[JMarsh642]

In loving memory of Chris Clairmont and his writing

RIP
(Adjectiveless) X-Men #3

Since then, it's really been a clone of Chris sent in to infiltrate Marvel and make X-titles unreadable

[GoatMaster]

Originally posted by Godfather
Hey, I just said that. :p

I know, I just elaborated.