SILVER SURFER #1

[MattBrady]

<I>From Marvel</I>

He has the appearance of the alien and the power of a god, and beginning later this month the writing team of Stacy Weiss & Dan Chariton and soon-to-be superstar artist MILX will explore all the strangeness and mystery that entails with the debut of SILVER SURFER #1, a new ongoing series premiering July 30th.

"In ancient times, the appearance of a shining silver humanoid in the skies would have precipitated the founding of a new religion," says series co-writer Stacy Weiss. "And in a way that's the key to our conception of the Silver Surfer. He's unlike other superheroes ... he's not of this Earth, and wasn't raised here. He's an alien - and, to Dan and me, he's a god.

"And like any god worth his salt, the Silver Surfer's actions defy human understanding. His manifestation in the real world inspires awe, which can be awful or awesome, depending on your point of view. Most of our characters are terrified. Our first arc is largely told from the perspective of a mother whose daughter is kidnapped by the Silver Surfer in what may at first appear to be a classic alien abduction scenario, but will unfold into something far more complex and intriguing as the story progresses."

SILVER SURFER #1, featuring a cover by Joe Jusko, goes on-sale 7/30 with a cover price of $2.25, and retailers are reminded its Final Order Cut-off (FOC) is 7/10. Readers, ask your retailer to reserve you a copy!

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[Benjamin Ong]

To whom it may concern (ie those who missed out on this the first time),
Check out this interview with Silver Surfer artist Milx: MILX-ING WITH MILX (http://newsarama.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=2851)

[tralfaz]

Im still convinced this is going to be sooooooooooooo boring and drawn out with little payoff. two panels of the Surfer, three if youre lucky

[cncoyle]

How often has the Silver Surfer appeared in the Marvel U? And what about other aliens? The public at large would have a general understanding that aliens are in fact real, since they'd been invaded time and again. If this is a "What If?" type of story, then I guess that would be okay...

Good point about two or three panels of the Surfer, tralfaz.

[littlewolvie]

Originally posted by tralfaz
Im still convinced this is going to be sooooooooooooo boring and drawn out with little payoff. two panels of the Surfer, three if youre lucky

My thoughts exactly! ;)

'sigh' I long for the Marz/Lim days... :(

[IcarusX]

This looks to be very typically NU Marve style. It will be drawn out so the first arc can fit neatly into Trade format, it will ignore previous continuity, it will be written as if it was a film script and it will of course be broign as hell cos comics arent film. I was considering giving this a look but thank you Marvel for this thrilling preview of a Silver Sufer less Silver Surfer comic. You can guarentee i won't touch this. It may get great reveiws like the current Hulk comic and like that it will still be a boring read making me long for the Starlin or Englehart surfer as i do the Peter David Hulk.
Marvel are making it damn easy for me to cancel all their books to make way for all the hot comic book respectful books Dc are releasing.

Dont buy this try,

Fallen Angel
Teen Titans,
Outsiders,
Birds of Prey,
Batgirl,
Batman/Superman
Flash
Legion

[Steve Wasser]

It's time for a new take on the Silver Surfer or he will merely fade into the background of other out-dated, slightly silly characters.

These preview pages look amazing. The art and color are absolutely gorgeous and this looks like the sort of thing I could share with all of my non-comics-reading friends.

And as a social worker in the mental health field, the description of an autistic child (and the feelings of a poor family in the "system") ring true to me.

Based on what I see, I'm squeezing the first issue into my already over-taxed comics budget.


Nice stuff.

[IcarusX]

If i wanted to read about an autistic child id read a medical journal.


If i wanted to see a film along the lines of signs id just watch signs.

If i wanted to read a comci book abotu strange and mysteriosu alines then im sure there are plenty out there.

I think change is good but this isnt change this is using a characters status to sell a totally different idea. The 80's 90's Surfer may not find a market in todays marketplace but the idea can be moved forward they dont have to revamo the whole concept ignoring everything that has come before.

All Marvel characters are used for these days is the familiarity factor to sell NU Marvel projects....

[TemporalFlux]

Originally posted by cncoyle
How often has the Silver Surfer appeared in the Marvel U? And what about other aliens? The public at large would have a general understanding that aliens are in fact real, since they'd been invaded time and again. If this is a "What If?" type of story, then I guess that would be okay...

Good point about two or three panels of the Surfer, tralfaz.

You're thinking with American tunnel vision. Not everyone on earth would have the same perspective. I assume this series will focus on other parts of the world that don't have the same communication capabilities or experience - at least that's what I get from the preview image.

Seriously, there are still parts of the world without television or radio - and that doesn't even cover countries with oppressive governments who suppress or alter incoming news (those still exist too).

[TheWriteJerry]

He's an alien - and, to Dan and I, he's a god. -- Stacy Weiss


Thus the writers put themselves in the same catagory as Fox Mulder and the comic book fans that police have filed under "stalker".


See, I'm thinking that when Dan Jurgens did his Thor as a god to earthers storyline, he didn't really believe that Thor was a god.


Jerry

[TheWriteJerry]

Originally posted by tralfaz
Im still convinced this is going to be sooooooooooooo boring and drawn out with little payoff. two panels of the Surfer, three if youre lucky

Well so far, we've only seen six pages, so let's not... oh wait, those six pages could have been done in three, four if you want to allow for the pretty splash page where nothing happens...

If page seven doesn't have anything actually happening...


Jerry

[aphterburn]

These pages look amazing. I'm going to pick up this book.

I'm going to be perfectly honest with you. The Silver Surfer is a seriously dumbass concept. He's a silver guy who rides around on a surfboard. A SILVER GUY ON A FREAKING SURFBOARD. This new take is actually interesting to people like me who think silver guys on surfboards are stupid when they're treated like what they actually are.

Y'know, I wish immature fanboys would stop their whining and go ahead and quit reading like they always threaten to do. We'd all be better off without your complaining and short attention spans. Tell me something, when you're 50 years old (if you're not already) will you still be reading comics? If so, will you still want to see things get "blowed up reeel good and punched reeel hard"?

[Starpilot]

Why do I get the feeling this title is going to be like Hulk? Lots of action with supporting characters and very little of the title character?

[IcarusX]

Originally posted by aphterburn
These pages look amazing. I'm going to pick up this book.

I'm going to be perfectly honest with you. The Silver Surfer is a seriously dumbass concept. He's a silver guy who rides around on a surfboard. A SILVER GUY ON A FREAKING SURFBOARD. This new take is actually interesting to people like me who think silver guys on surfboards are stupid when they're treated like what they actually are.

Y'know, I wish immature fanboys would stop their whining and go ahead and quit reading like they always threaten to do. We'd all be better off without your complaining and short attention spans. Tell me something, when you're 50 years old (if you're not already) will you still be reading comics? If so, will you still want to see things get "blowed up reeel good and punched reeel hard"?

This post is typical of a NU Marvel fan. All insults and all about u. U could be Joe or Bill the way u sound. isn't it scary that nobody woud be surprised if you were. Im laughing at your attention span comment, so little happens in Marvel comcis nowadays, its like a quarter of an episode of a TV series (select a genre). Its not attention span you need its a patience, the fact is it takes half a year to rewad a story we used to get in two months. Trust me you whatever u r (we are fanboys, yet i m no fan of Marvel these days) guys r in the minority. If the fanboys were astill buyign comics we be back upm to selling 300,000 of a comic. As it is comcis max at a third of that, you lose the fanboys and Marvel are really heading in that direction then there wont be enough comcis sold to keep the company going. Fot all their efforts tryingto reach new markets, nobody else is biting. I suggest u quit reading comcis now and go rent dvds about alien encounters if thats what you want.

You know somehting else that hit me , if this annoying fool went onto X Fan or Joe Q's board nothign would be said to him. If we said anythign bad aboout him or the creaotrs we would risk getting banned. What the hell has happened to Marvel......

[IcarusX]

Originally posted by IcarusX
This post is typical of a NU Marvel fan. All insults and all about u. U could be Joe or Bill the way u sound. isn't it scary that nobody woud be surprised if you were. Im laughing at your attention span comment. So little happens in Marvel comcis nowadays, its like a quarter of an episode of a TV series (select a genre). Its not attention span you need its a patience, the fact is it takes half a year to rewad a story we used to get in two months. Trust me you whatever u r (we are fanboys, yet i m no fan of Marvel these days) guys r in the minority. If the fanboys were astill buyign comics we be back upm to selling 300,000 of a comic. As it is comcis max at a third of that, you lose the fanboys and Marvel are really heading in that direction then there wont be enough comcis sold to keep the company going. Fot all their efforts tryingto reach new markets, nobody else is biting. I suggest u quit reading comcis now and go rent dvds about alien encounters if thats what you want.

You know somehting else that hit me , if this annoying fool went onto X Fan or Joe Q's board nothign would be said to him. If we said anythign bad aboout him or the creaotrs we would risk getting banned. What the hell has happened to Marvel......

[aphterburn]

If being "Old Marvel" means you don't have to use spellcheck, then make mine "Nu Marvel".

You say nothing happens in Marvel Comics these days. Emotionally, I see lots of things happening in books like Daredevil every single issue. What exactly do you mean by payoff? If you mean fight-the-baddie, then you're right, things don't happen often in the books I read.

That having been said, I'm not a Marvel fan. I'm not Jemas nor Quesada, because if I was then I definately can't stand myself. Until a year ago, I hated most anything having to do with the Marvel U. It wasn't until Quesada and Jemas, jackasses that they may be, actually made this crap interesting. You say it's all about me? You're right. It's my money. I'm an adult and I want to read books that don't JUST involve punching and blasting something. I can read that over at DC where at least I have affection for their characters. I don't give a rat's hairy ass how much New X-Men, Daredevil, and the Ultimates sell, I like them and I read them.

So to answer your question, what happened to Marvel? It stopped sucking as much.

[IcarusX]

Originally posted by aphterburn
If being "Old Marvel" means you don't have to use spellcheck, then make mine "Nu Marvel".

You say nothing happens in Marvel Comics these days. Emotionally, I see lots of things happening in books like Daredevil every single issue. What exactly do you mean by payoff? If you mean fight-the-baddie, then you're right, things don't happen often in the books I read.

That having been said, I'm not a Marvel fan. I'm not Jemas nor Quesada, because if I was then I definately can't stand myself. Until a year ago, I hated most anything having to do with the Marvel U. It wasn't until Quesada and Jemas, jackasses that they may be, actually made this crap interesting. You say it's all about me? You're right. It's my money. I'm an adult and I want to read books that don't JUST involve punching and blasting something. I can read that over at DC where at least I have affection for their characters. I don't give a rat's hairy ass how much New X-Men, Daredevil, and the Ultimates sell, I like them and I read them.

So to answer your question, what happened to Marvel? It stopped sucking as much.


Well you know about 200,000 people seem to disagree. Marvel should be working on gettign back the fans that made Marvel big in the first place not tryign nto sell comic books to 7 yr old girls and TV addicts with simple minds. Truth is only Nu Marvle fans attack people who are trying to make a point. Its like if all else faisl theres always grammar and spelling. Its pathetic u know. I may slag down bad management or poor writers but i dotn juts attack someone for their opinion. I do make a special case for fools liek you though who can't say what they like about Marvel without resorting to petty insults agaisnt people who dont want the superhero genre to die out.

Also i actually liek Daredevil, its what i was talking about when i mentioend moving the genre forward. Its still a superhero book with a c rime slant whereas the Hulk is a book about a scientist runnign away form a corrupt secret society, not Superhero genre.

Still think the Daredevil arcs could be told in 3 issues rather than 6 though. Less splash pages, more speech per panel rather than been spread out over 4. Still its a damn fine book, one fo the few remaining. Hey want a laugh, go read Uncanny X Men or Weaponj X then defend Nu Marvel.

[aphterburn]

Marvel's not getting back all those fans. They're never going to sell like they did 10 years ago, so you might as well forget it. It's time to evolve. I didn't personally attack anyone in particular, but if someone was offended by what I said, then I apologize....but the Silver Surfer is STILL a dumb concept. The new creators are trying to get something useful out of it. I can't believe someone had the nerve to say something about autistic children belonging in medical journals. That's the part that pisses me off. The mentality that if you don't see the title character in the first few pages then it's boooooring.
YOU are the one that uses the Nu Marvel fan label and I'm not going near Uncanny or Weapon X because like I said, I dont particularly like most Marvel.

On a side note, you've call me a fool twice IcarusX. You can knock that shit off right now.

[cncoyle]

Originally posted by TemporalFlux
You're thinking with American tunnel vision. Not everyone on earth would have the same perspective. I assume this series will focus on other parts of the world that don't have the same communication capabilities or experience - at least that's what I get from the preview image.

Seriously, there are still parts of the world without television or radio - and that doesn't even cover countries with oppressive governments who suppress or alter incoming news (those still exist too).

I could list tons of stories in which the ENTIRE world, not just America, was taken over by an invading alien force. The most recent example is Kang's takeover in Avengers about a year ago.

TF, do we really need any vitriol here? I'm just stating my opinion and allowing others to do so without any spiteful comments. As for the "American tunnel vision"--I don't appreciate your blanketing statement. Everyday I work with a female Russian, a Frenchman and 30-40% of our clients are Japanese, so don't stereotype me as one with "American tunnel vision." But no, I guess I'm just some cowboy gun-slinging American Kentucky hillbilly redneck who has never bothered to think about any perspective other than my own. Sheesh...:rolleyes:

[cncoyle]

Originally posted by aphterburn
Marvel's not getting back all those fans. They're never going to sell like they did 10 years ago, so you might as well forget it. It's time to evolve. I didn't personally attack anyone in particular, but if someone was offended by what I said, then I apologize....but the Silver Surfer is STILL a dumb concept. The new creators are trying to get something useful out of it. ...
That's a very good point, aphterburn, but why doesn't Marvel simply create a new character to suit the story? They are merely using the name recognition to sell a different concept instead of sticking with the core of the character.

[IcarusX]

Originally posted by aphterburn
Marvel's not getting back all those fans. They're never going to sell like they did 10 years ago, so you might as well forget it. It's time to evolve. I didn't personally attack anyone in particular, but if someone was offended by what I said, then I apologize....but the Silver Surfer is STILL a dumb concept. The new creators are trying to get something useful out of it. I can't believe someone had the nerve to say something about autistic children belonging in medical journals. That's the part that pisses me off. The mentality that if you don't see the title character in the first few pages then it's boooooring.
YOU are the one that uses the Nu Marvel fan label and I'm not going near Uncanny or Weapon X because like I said, I dont particularly like most Marvel.

On a side note, you've call me a fool twice IcarusX. You can knock that shit off right now.


When ur first post on this thread contains these little pearls of wisdom....

Y'know, I wish immature fanboys would stop their whining and go ahead and quit reading like they always threaten to do. We'd all be better off without your complaining and short attention spans. '


The u really have to expect people to point out ur lack of credibility. Until u chirped in we were discussing the Silver Surfer and not fanboys. U brought he tone down with ur insults....


Also i said if i wanted to read a book about Autistic children i would read a medical journey , not that they belonged in one. I read a Silver Surfer mag for Silver Surfer, not for a child, autisitic or otherwise. Im sure it wont be a case that this ais a child who happens to be autistic, im sure the fact the child is autistic is a plot device so there are no pats on the backs for the writer for raising our awareness as im sure that is not his intent. This writer was chosen by Bill Jemas. This guy was chosen by Bill Jemas. Rumour has it that he thinks books will sell no matter who writes them. Look at the unknowns about to take over FF and Iron Man. The rumour also goes that Bill is using these writers to co plot the books himself. Considering how bland and preachy this nsounds i cant help but see that as a serious consideration.

[gOgIver]

I have my B&N Silver Surfer Masterworks edition to provide for my Silver Surfer reading enjoyment this summer.

[aphterburn]

Originally posted by cncoyle
That's a very good point, aphterburn, but why doesn't Marvel simply create a new character to suit the story? They are merely using the name recognition to sell a different concept instead of sticking with the core of the character.

Who's to say that they're not sticking with the core of the character? From what I've read and seen in different articles, they're taking certain elements of the Surfer (the good ones) and playing them up, like the mystery and the alien elements.

Some people might not like it. That's a risk you always take when you try to introduce something new. I can certainly understand why some classic Surfer fans might be turned off and I respect how they feel. I can only speak as someone who never gave any consideration to the Surfer until this new incarnation.

EDIT: With that in mind, I'll just rephrase my statements to say that I PERSONALLY have found the Surfer to be dumb in the past with no offense to fans of the character.

[TemporalFlux]

Originally posted by cncoyle
I could list tons of stories in which the ENTIRE world, not just America, was taken over by an invading alien force. The most recent example is Kang's takeover in Avengers about a year ago.

Which of course means every square inch of earth was under alien control. There was one alien soldier for every man, woman and child; and they stayed right next to them day and night to remind them there was indeed an alien invasion underway.

Be realistic. The aliens wouldn't care about every hole in the wall just as we don't. Some poverty stricken country that doesn't even have phone lines is not going to be seen as a threat or as an asset. It will just be left there to rot. As a result, they won't know jack happened.

TF, do we really need any vitriol here? I'm just stating my opinion and allowing others to do so without any spiteful comments. As for the "American tunnel vision"--I don't appreciate your blanketing statement. Everyday I work with a female Russian, a Frenchman and 30-40% of our clients are Japanese, so don't stereotype me as one with "American tunnel vision." But no, I guess I'm just some cowboy gun-slinging American Kentucky hillbilly redneck who has never bothered to think about any perspective other than my own. Sheesh...:rolleyes:

If you want spiteful comments, we can go there. I can assure you that you do not know the difference yet. And the fact you felt the need to start listing nationalities you work with...you do understand I didn't call you racist? That should be a simple distinction to make. It doesn't matter who you work with in the U.S. or whatever civilized nations you claim to deal with...it doesn't even apply. Where's your clients from Venezuela? Afghanistan? The Republic of Congo? You haven't considered other perspectives...you just have a view based on those who can talk to you - tunnel vision. That's all you've proven here.

But seriously...suck up your bottom lip and stop rubbing your arm. If you were insulted by something as simple and non threatening as "tunnel vision"...well, I would probably hate to see the hissy fit you would throw over a real insult.

Of course, the ultimate punchline to all of this is I'm American. I was talking about myself as much as you. The difference is I accept and recognize it while trying to constantly broaden my views. You should try that too instead of immediately compiling some spun list of what you already do as an automatic overreactive defense.

[cncoyle]

Originally posted by aphterburn
Who's to say that they're not sticking with the core of the character? From what I've read and seen in different articles, they're taking certain elements of the Surfer (the good ones) and playing them up, like the mystery and the alien elements.
I guess I (kinda) agree with what you say. In my mind (scary place that it is), the core of the Silver Surfer is his ominous presence as the Herald of Galactus and his redemption/salvation through excercising his free will.

At first, he had sacrificed his individuality to save his people and meant impending doom for other planets. It was his interaction with the people of Earth, especially the Fantastic Four, that made him realize he hated what his purpose in life had become. So, he redeemed himself by rebelling against Galactus and saving the Earth.

Fanboy that I am, that's what has appealed to me about the Silver Surfer. Admittedly, his character hasn't done much beyond that story (except for his cool appearance in the Infinity Gauntlet). If they wanted to take a new direction, that would be fine, but I would at least like that part of the character to be continued/expanded upon.

(Side question: Was the Silver Surfer supposed to be a commentary for questioning your belief system in lieu of blindly following a religion?)

[cncoyle]

Okay, I'll admit that I'm somewhat limited in my scope just based on what I've actually been able to experience, be it intellectually, socially, economically, etc. What I don't appreciate is your immediate condescension (something that many of us do in this vaguely-anonymous forum). I'm also sick of my country being raked through the coals when it's our government, NOT our country that's been enacting unpopular decisions. There's a bumper sticker that I've seen that I think sums it up: "I love my country. It's the government that I'm afraid of." A lot of people don't understand the difference.

So, I apologize for jumping the gun--you just happened to catch a raw nerve, but you need to realize that everyone's opinion is just as valid as yours. I like to keep all discussions friendly--look at any of my posts. I'm not one of those that always has to be right, but I do like to discuss the finer points of comic geekdom without throwing labels at anyone or egging on the spite. You've made some good points, and I'll concede that some isolated people in the MU have probably never heard of the Silver Surfer.

[burntredwaffle]

Originally posted by IcarusX
You know somehting else that hit me , if this annoying fool went onto X Fan or Joe Q's board nothign would be said to him. If we said anythign bad aboout him or the creaotrs we would risk getting banned. What the hell has happened to Marvel......

As a regular at Joe Q's board I can say that there are plenty of people over there that disagree with a lot of Marvel policy and are very vocal about it. To my knowledge Joe has never banned anyone for disagreeing with his or Bill's decisions. All he asks is that you go about it in a polite way.

Now regarding Silver Surfer. I too fear it's going to be a slow read like Hulk but I'm willing to give it a chance. The art is good and the concept sounds interesting to me.

To whoever said the Silver Surfer is just a "Silver guy in a surf board" needs to read a Silver Surfer comic. That's like saying Spider-Man is just a guy in red and blue spandex who sticks on walls.

[StoneGold]

Originally posted by IcarusX
Well you know about 200,000 people seem to disagree.

Truth is only Nu Marvle fans attack people who are trying to make a point.

Two things. One, it was old Marvel that lost the fans. Two, if attacking people who make a point makes you a new Marvel fan (sorry, I just can't stand the other term), congratulations buddy, guess you must have the entire Marville collection.

[IcarusX]

Originally posted by StoneGold
Two things. One, it was old Marvel that lost the fans. Two, if attacking people who make a point makes you a new Marvel fan (sorry, I just can't stand the other term), congratulations buddy, guess you must have the entire Marville collection.


Did u even read the post i was refering to or could u juts not wait to jump to Marvels defence. Do you have any idea how easy u people make it for us 'fanboys'. Okay ill change my statement. Onblyt Nu Marvel fans attack other posters without provocation when someone presents an opinion.

Secondly yes old Marvel did mess up the industry. But u can just break it down into two years of Nu Marvel and 40 odd years of old. The period around the comic crash was terrible. Marvel comics were terrible, (but hey still managed to stick to continuity, its really not hard just involves non lazy writers and Editors doing their job.) I will agree even worse than they are now story wise. Thing is the gusy running thing sthen blew a good thing. Prior to comics were at their peak. Marvel messed that up and alienated a lot of comic book fans. Im not saying this is Nu Marvles fault but they have failed to bring those readers back. In fact they are emualting a lot of the mistakes that caused the crash. Instead of taking comics back to the point where they were at their peak, no these guys know better, yet are obviously failing.


Look at what made Marvel comcis reach their peak. Great artwork, great stories, original stories, varied styles, great coniunity, the sense this was all taking place in the same universe, edirotial teams that were respectful to their readers, covers which drew u to the book, shorter story arcs that caried over ongoing subplots keeping the reader interested (not boring them to trears), if there was a larger storyarc it would be epic in nature, not just an excuse to fill out tpbs. Tpbs were filled with many stories not just one and contained more than six issues and took more than 30 minutes to read. The readers favourite characters got to be int he books not sent to limbo because the editorial team dont like them. There were real cliffhangers that mattered because people still cared about the characters. The comics were actually worth the money that you paid for them. I could go on and on...........


Truth is NU Marvel has more in common witht he guys who messed it up than the guys who made Marvel big.

[cncoyle]

Originally posted by IcarusX
Look at what made Marvel comcis reach their peak. Great artwork, great stories, original stories, varied styles, great coniunity, the sense this was all taking place in the same universe, edirotial teams that were respectful to their readers, covers which drew u to the book, shorter story arcs that caried over ongoing subplots keeping the reader interested (not boring them to trears), if there was a larger storyarc it would be epic in nature, not just an excuse to fill out tpbs. Tpbs were filled with many stories not just one and contained more than six issues and took more than 30 minutes to read. The readers favourite characters got to be int he books not sent to limbo because the editorial team dont like them. There were real cliffhangers that mattered because people still cared about the characters. The comics were actually worth the money that you paid for them. I could go on and on...........


I don't want to get involved in the personal feud, but on the Marvel point, you're dead on, IcarusX! Whether it's comics or restaurants, we've reached an age where the customer isn't right. The way Bill Jemas insults comic readers is absolutely unacceptable.
I grew up doing retail, and the #1 rule was that the customer was right. Even when they were wrong, you acted as if they were right to keep repeat business. You didn't stand there and justify why you're sooooo right and the customer is obviously wrong. (Pet peeve--waiters that mess up your order and then try to blame it on the way you ordered it! Just apologize and get it right the 2nd time!)

If fans are complaining--guess what? Marvel should just take the complaints and move on. I really wish Bill J & Joe Q would stop retaliating against the "minority" fan-base on the internet. That's one thing that DC does a dang good job of--letting the fanboys rant and then letting it go.

[StoneGold]

Originally posted by IcarusX
Did u even read the post i was refering to or could u juts not wait to jump to Marvels defence. Do you have any idea how easy u people make it for us 'fanboys'. Okay ill change my statement. Onblyt Nu Marvel fans attack other posters without provocation when someone presents an opinion.


OK, I don't even want to bring comics into this. Because this has nothing to do with it. And really, this is going to do nothing, because this is the Internet, and everyone just likes to hear the sound of their own voice. But apparently you don't even like to hear what you say.

I did read the post. And you were the first one to attack someone else's viewpoint. Damn near the first thing you did. I'm not attacking Marvel, I'm not defending Marvel. Personally, I could care less. And in the first post, I wasn't attacking or defending you, just trying to point at that in your vitriol, you were defining yourself. Now you just seem like a hypocrite attacking hypocrisy. Kind of funny really

[William Coate]

You're thinking with American tunnel vision. Not everyone on earth would have the same perspective. I assume this series will focus on other parts of the world that don't have the same communication capabilities or experience - at least that's what I get from the preview image.

How about our government that supports these oppressive governments for our national (capitalist) interests? How ridiculous can someone get? Sure it would be nice if the Silver Surfer could be done right. Did anyone ever watch the short lived animated series? But in this day and age it doesn’t seem likely. It’s not marketable enough.

And now the 50 year old comics fan complaint:

Y'know, I wish immature fanboys would stop their whining and go ahead and quit reading like they always threaten to do. We'd all be better off without your complaining and short attention spans. Tell me something, when you're 50 years old (if you're not already) will you still be reading comics? If so, will you still want to see things get "blowed up reeel good and punched reeel hard"?

What’s even more egregious is how asinine this comes off! You complain too much! Blah, Blah, Blah!

What the heck are these message boards for? Are we supposed to write love letters to the creators we like? What is the point? We shouldn’t complain! If people did not complain comics would have no community and in essence no readership and I suppose in the end someone like you would have no comics to read. So you should be thanking EVERY single comic complainer for the books you have the opportunity to read. It’s all because of them that you have comics to read.

WC

[littlewolvie]

Originally posted by aphterburn
Marvel's not getting back all those fans. They're never going to sell like they did 10 years ago, so you might as well forget it. It's time to evolve.

Hi,

First of all, I'm not going to call you a fool unlike some others, as I don't believe that's the right way to express your point of view. ;) I also believe you made some valid point just like your opponents in this little discussion did. To be honest, I've to admit I'm more in agreement with the other side on this one. It's the little evolving part which bothered me. Am I against new things and changes? No, not at all. But it shouldn't be as radical and respectless as Marvel does these days. As somebody else said, what we need are good stories and good art. That's what sells in the end. All the rest is only short term vision (I'm pointing to some of those socalled hot books these days). What's #1 these days? It's not a Marvel book. It's a book with a good story and marvelous art and which in the end stays true to the characters and doesn't completely mess them up. That's what I call great stuff and that's what I want to see more of. If Marvel would handle things that way, I would return to my old Marvel Zombie roots in no time. As for sales, the problem remains with us socalled fanboys in the first place. We're just too stubborn for our own good. Who's buying 90% of those high sellers, you think? Fanboys, that's who. We complain about it, we don't like it, BUT we just keep buying it 'cause we're too stubborn (or maybe even stupid) to quit doing so, maybe because of a lack of anything better. That's why I've been trying to change my old habits lately. If I don't agree with the direction a book is going into, I try to simply cancel it. That might sound easy, but it's actually more difficult than that, at least for me. ;) In the end, that's the only way we can really influence things and show the people in charge that our opinion actually counts for something.

[jawaplumber]

Hope you guys are having fun repeating the same old school vs. new school debate for the one millionth time ;)

I will say this, though: I find it sad to see anyone say they "don't buy comics to read about autistic children". Essentially, you are saying comics aren't capable of telling stories beyond super-heroes slugging it out with one another. That's just lame.

And why does it seem sometimes like I'm the only one around here who equally loves both classic Marvel and the new Marvel? Oh well :)

[jawaplumber]

By the way, these preview pages look great and I'm looking forward to this updating of Silver Surfer :) He's one of my all-time favorite characters and I'm glad to see him flying high once more.

[DarkKnightInAz]

Ok. So here's what I'm seeing a lot of... "They just want to use a character name people recognize, in hopes people will buy the new book that has nothing to do with the actual character." Or how about "Oh, this book will be terrible because the title character will be a supporting character only and not appear that much in the story."

HELLO! Let's look back to DC in the early to mid-80s. A young unknown Brit comes on board and writes a comic using the name of a well-established character, sticking to the core idea of the character, yet reinventing everything else from there. Said character for most of the 75-issue run is really in more of a supporting role throughout.

By all of the (il-)logic here, this series should have flopped, right?

Maybe none of YOU have read the Sandman, but I did, and enjoyed every word of it.

Did it matter that the character was mostly a complete revamp of an established character? No. Did it play loose with some of the previously established continuity? Yes, but did it make it a bad read? No! Did it matter to ANYONE that the title character was in the background most of the time? No. And look at Neil now!

So why, really, is it so hard to see that concept working with the Silver Surfer? For that matter, do we even KNOW this to be the concept for the Silver Surfer? We have 6 pages of preview and a couple of creator interviews (and those are ALWAYS crystal clear about every iota of detail of a comic, right? pft!) to go on. I mean really, it's like those dumb :30 song samples they have on music websites. "Gee, let's see if I like the entire body of work based on this miniscule portion of it that has been selected by someone else who may have different tastes as a good sample of the body of work in its entirety..."

Things like this remind me why I stopped reading comic book message boards in the first place... I can think of NO OTHER MEDIUM out there where fans stoop to personally attacking each other because of differing opinions. Geez, I bet even the Original Trek vs. Next Gen Trek fights don't get this dirty...

And if you haven't actually bought the book, and you're not planning to buy the book, where do you get off? Are you LOSING something if this book sucks? No! The only people who should complain are the ones who buy the book and then are disappointed. If you don't want to buy it, then don't. You're not going to hurt anybody's feelings.

Here's the thing: If every book out there was FANTASTIC, would you buy everything? Oh, wait... we'll never know, because you won't actually give things a chance before deciding if they're good.

I have nothing personal against anyone, and it takes a lot to get me riled up, but let me say, one thing that will do it quickly is people who make snap judgments. If you're not willing to spend 10 minutes and a couple bucks before passing judgment on something trivial like a comic, gee, how much time and effort do you put into exploring important things, like people, before making a judgment?

Anyway... I digress. This is a chance to get in on the ground floor of something. It could be bad. It could be good. I'm willing to pay the cover price for the ticket to find out. If I don't like the ride, I'll get off. But, hey, nothing ventured, nothing gained. At least I'll be able to reap the gains.

[DarkKnightInAz]

What the heck are these message boards for? Are we supposed to write love letters to the creators we like? What is the point? We shouldn’t complain! If people did not complain comics would have no community and in essence no readership and I suppose in the end someone like you would have no comics to read. So you should be thanking EVERY single comic complainer for the books you have the opportunity to read. It’s all because of them that you have comics to read.

I have no problem with people offering constructive criticism. But, I'm not seeing very much of that here. Admittedly, there are a few who are restricting their negative concerns to opinions based solely on the 6 pages posted here, but the majority of negative feedback is based on speculation. How can you complain about something when you don't have any idea if you're right or not? And that's another problem: all you're doing is complaining. Most of what's here is just complaining, bitching, whining...

Maybe, just maybe, this is why comic fans are generalized to be a bunch of immature whiners by some companies. It seems like there's mostly only two types of negatives out there.

1) "This sucks! I don't care how you fix it but it sucks!"

or

2) "This sucks because it wasn't the way it was before. Let's change it back."

The first rant gets us nowhere. Ok, it sucks. What would you like to see different?

The second rant, well, let's just say, if nothing ever changed in the world, if everybody just settled for business as usual without trying new ideas, we'd all be looking at pictures made from a bunch of berry juice spread on a cave wall and wearing animal pelts and sitting around fires... oh wait, no, we'd have no fires, because nobody would have discovered it because we'd all be happy without it.

My suggestion, not that anyone gives a rat's ass, is to wait for the book to come out. If you're mildly interested, invest in it. What do you lose but a couple of bucks. If you don't like it, let's talk then. If you're not going to buy it, go complain about something about which you can have an intelligent concern based on facts.

(My sincere apologies if this offends anyone, but damn it, sometimes you just want to have a debate based on well-educated opinions. It's not like this is the Presidential debate, where any idiot can fill in...)

[jawaplumber]

Originally posted by DarkKnightInAz
(My sincere apologies if this offends anyone, but damn it, sometimes you just want to have a debate based on well-educated opinions. It's not like this is the Presidential debate, where any idiot can fill in...)

No offense here, my friend :) The sad thing is, many of us have tried to point this out, but it almost always falls on deaf ears. There are just some people who outright get off on being negative and bitter, and will always see something bad. If there isn't anything logically bad to be found, they will concoct it somehow in their minds. I'm not even saying this to make fun of anyone. To be honest, I think it's quite sad and I wish people suffering from this issue would seek out help.

By the way, you made a comparison to SANDMAN earlier and I thought it was dead on. In fact, I had made the same comparison awhile back in another thread regarding this new SILVER SURFER series. So, by complementing you, I'm complimenting myself. See how nicely that works out for both of us? ;) LOL

Thanks for chiming in :) Intelligent folks like yourself are always welcome here :)

[tralfaz]

Originally posted by aphterburn
These pages look amazing. I'm going to pick up this book.

I'm going to be perfectly honest with you. The Silver Surfer is a seriously dumbass concept. He's a silver guy who rides around on a surfboard. A SILVER GUY ON A FREAKING SURFBOARD. This new take is actually interesting to people like me who think silver guys on surfboards are stupid when they're treated like what they actually are.

Y'know, I wish immature fanboys would stop their whining and go ahead and quit reading like they always threaten to do. We'd all be better off without your complaining and short attention spans. Tell me something, when you're 50 years old (if you're not already) will you still be reading comics? If so, will you still want to see things get "blowed up reeel good and punched reeel hard"?

dumbass in what way? You mean like people in spandex and capes fighting crime isnt a dumbass idea to begin with? It seems to me that he was this cosmic entity going thru the cosmos, now he's sticking around earth solving social problems? what?

that last paragraph is pretty funny... calling fanboys immature while acting immature yourself. good show old chap, good show.

[tralfaz]

Originally posted by jawaplumber
By the way, these preview pages look great and I'm looking forward to this updating of Silver Surfer :) He's one of my all-time favorite characters and I'm glad to see him flying high once more.

Jaw

this book will fail and ill tell you why, Sufer cant carry a book. He's more of a background character. Sure, he could do a mini or two, but an ongoing, no.
Its like how certain actors are great supporting acotrs, but when they take the lead, the film fails to draw.

im sorry Jaw, have a good yr, maybe two if your lucky of Silver Surfer solving non cosmic problems

[jawaplumber]

Originally posted by tralfaz
Jaw

this book will fail and ill tell you why, Sufer cant carry a book. He's more of a background character. Sure, he could do a mini or two, but an ongoing, no.
Its like how certain actors are great supporting acotrs, but when they take the lead, the film fails to draw.

im sorry Jaw, have a good yr, maybe two if your lucky of Silver Surfer solving non cosmic problems

Well, we'll see, I guess. I'm not going to try to dispute, because it's simply a matter of opinion. Either way, I'm glad Surfer is being given another shot at a solo series :) Never hurts to try, eh?

[tralfaz]

Originally posted by jawaplumber
Well, we'll see, I guess. I'm not going to try to dispute, because it's simply a matter of opinion. Either way, I'm glad Surfer is being given another shot at a solo series :) Never hurts to try, eh?

nope never hurts... only the wallet if it blows

[Mark Thorson]

Originally posted by tralfaz
Sufer cant carry a book.

Well, he carried one for almost 150 issues before. But now, no, probably not, unless a different approach is tried with the character, which is what they're doing. It's just the first arc. We dont know that every story is going to take place on Earth.

DC reinvents their characters to coincide with the times. No reason Marvel cant do the same. I'll try the first arc, and if it interests me, then I'll keep buying it. If not, I wont.

[MadPiscus]

Originally posted by TheWriteJerry
He's an alien - and, to Dan and I, he's a god. -- Stacy Weiss


Thus the writers put themselves in the same catagory as Fox Mulder and the comic book fans that police have filed under "stalker".


See, I'm thinking that when Dan Jurgens did his Thor as a god to earthers storyline, he didn't really believe that Thor was a god.


I think you are intentionally misreading what they said, that being the only way I can justify someone with the intelligence to form complete sentences missing the obvious reference they were making.

As far as they are concerned the fictional character of the Silver Surfer might as well be a god for all the power, mystery, and alien nature that he possesses.

Whether or not you agree with this, it is entirely clear from this and various other things they have said.

As for it being boring or "if i want to read about autistic kids i'll read a medical journal" (sorry if that's not an exact quote) all I have to say is this:
1) I am a huge continuity junky, but if a story is well written and entertaining I can stomach it just fine. Even the idea of the Ultimate line bothered me at first, but the stories have generally been good and so I have allowed myself to be entertained rather than miss out on something just because it doesn't take the form I'd prefer.

2) Interesting characters come in all shapes and sizes, and giving background or psychological depth to a character doesn't hurt. If people had been as narrow-minded about what a "super-hero" book was back in the Silver Age as the type of people complaining about "I want to a superhero, not _____ " are now we never would have had Spider-Man.

No, I realize there are differences; I am not saying that the modern propensity to focus for long stretches on things other than just the hero his/herself is exactly the same as giving Spider-Man social problems.

What I am saying is that when Spider-Man came out the idea of a hero that was a kid (and an orphan) who was a nerd and dealt with all sorts of realistic problems right alongside the super-human ones was really new. I can imagine people flipping through the books saying things like "If I wanted to read about someone having problems getting a date I'd walk down the halls of my school!" or "If I wanted to read about a guy being embarrassed in front of a girl and then sweeping her off her feet in disguise, I can pick up some Victorian romance novel!"

Just because the idea doesn't always appeal to you doesn't mean that it doesn't have merit.

Personally I think that a story can be just as much about a super-hero with the hero never really showing up as it can with them in every panel.

3) I think that it will turn out the most that these creators have done to "change" the Surfer will be to simply change the perspective of the story; we are not inside the Surfer's head, we're inside someone who can only watch his works from the outside, and this will show how alien actions can seem when taken by someone who's caught up in the bigger picture... let alone when they are silver and can fly.

4) The thought about how anything can seem alien or shocking in the Marvel Universe occured to me too... but then even as a continuity lover I have to admit that having everyone in the world know everyhing about anything that's happened would make the world so different (and sci-fi) as to be no longer interesting.

So, even discounting the idea that the whole world doesn't get the same news (or any) I can see several ways that this story can go along without shaking up continuity very much.

-The news reports events and researches them in order to turn an initial story ("There are riots at the University of Mississippi. People are throwing things, shooting guns, and it is obviously racially motivated" to use an example from the past) into a comprehensive story ("The night after a rousing speech by... some of the rioters were actually rallied into a charge against National Gaurdsmen by...etc."). Well, what if they are never given or able to find that extra information?

Silver Surfer recognizes threat, takes various public/visible actions against the threat, ends threat... and that's all they ever get. Sure they can make guesses, and question the "villain" if he is alive (or remotely terrestial... Surfer may just kick such beings out into space, etc.) but how much will that give them and how often is that the case?

This is a world where, due to bad press, many people still dislike Spider-Man because there can only be so many eye-witnesses that can (or are willing, depending on what they think they saw) discount those claims (and some people will simply always believe what they want to believe). What bout the guy that never talks to the cameras unless it's absolutely necessary... and actually is an alien?

-Cutting out the world-wide (or even New York wide) view for a moment, what if this happened to you? What if your little girl is grabbed by a big shiny guy?

So? You do some research and find out that he's an alien that comes from deep space, led Galactus the World-Devourer here, changed sides, is immensely powerful and has been a "good guy" for a while... except under mind-control, of course. This is supposed to be comforting?

You call the Fantastic Four saying "The Silver Surfer took my baby!" Yeah, that'd work really well... and even if they aren't busy/away and listen to (nevermind believe... sure Richards has tech for that) you are they even sure they can contact him? What if he doesn't answer anyway because HE's busy?

So this alien super-hero has your baby, stole her, for some reason. That's not freaky? How does that break continuity?

Mike

[saiyanspider]

This books looks boring. I want the old silver surfer, the one who had powers and fought people. I'm tired of this new concept BS. I was hoping for a book with planet destroying energy bolts and crazy looking villians etc.

[jawaplumber]

Originally posted by saiyanspider
This books looks boring. I want the old silver surfer, the one who had powers and fought people. I'm tired of this new concept BS. I was hoping for a book with planet destroying energy bolts and crazy looking villians etc.

I think you need to read the post right above yours. It's very intelligent, makes a lot of good points, and maybe you can understand that the Surfer you are looking for isn't gone, it's just that his stories are being told from another perspective.

You know what amazes me? About ten years ago, there was a comic called MARVELS that hit the shelves and it was treated like it was the second coming. EVERYONE loved it for it's unique perspective and said "Gee, wouldn't it be nice if the monthly Marvel comics were this thought-provoking and mature in their storytelling?"

Now, Marvel is trying to answer that request...and they are being blasted for it. Makes absolutely NO sense to me, whatsoever.

[saiyanspider]

Hey don't confuse me with the marvel bashers around here. I love marvel, and I might not agree with everything they do, i'm not calling for anyoness head. I'm not saying I wouldn't want a monthly book in the style of marvels. I LOVED that book. I just miss the old surfer stories where he went to a planet fought somebody he kicked butt or got his butt kicked. Grant Morrison once said that he wanted to take the wrestling matches out of x-men WHY THAT'S WHY I BUY SUPER HERO COMICS!! I like New X-men but at least have an alternative, As much as he gets blasted I like chuck austin cause he's I dunno putting some fun into these books. instead of putting high brow into the superhero books make new books that are high brow and make the main books kick butt adventure books with some FIGHTS!

[Cayman]

The art is offbeat but very pretty. I plan to give this one a try.

Cay

[phoenx]

It looks good. I'm not sure I'll be getting this.

[MightyDoom]

I think it looks pretty interesting. More suited to a mini series rather than an ongoing, but anything to raise the profile of the Surfer is good in my books. One of the great things about the Silver Surfer is that he easily lends himself out to different interpretations. This one looks more like the Stan Lee/Moebius Parable 2 parter from Epic a while back. I recently re-read my entire Surfer collection, and now as an adult I find a lot of the 90's issues boring. Yeah, when I was 15 I loved all the ass kicking and cosmic level threats, but now that I have a bit of a different outlook on things I prefer the original 14 issue run by Lee and Buscema. A nice balance between action and introspection. Yeah, the Surfer comes off as a little whiny, but so can characters like the Thing and Rogue at times.
Anyhoo, I think I'll give this a shot.

[evilive72]

Bought it, tried it, didn't like it.

I will not be getting #2.

[Dude]

so boring i had high hopes but this is off my pull list...i gave it to my buddy who is keeping it only for the cover....I outa shoot the writer

[perk9600]

I want to see where they go with it.

One thing I will say...Based on his sci fi history doesn't the Surfer just scream for JMS to write it? Kind of like how Jones added the horror theme to Hulk. I'd like to see that type of thing happen with the Surfer.

Well maybe it is just me. I could tell by the commentary in here that most people were going to hate this before they even bought it. Why bother?

[DrDoom]

Originally posted by IcarusX
If i wanted to read about an autistic child id read a medical journal.


....

then read my medical file: i am autistic ... :(

[Stancheck]

A new #1 ?
I´m waiting for the first four issues & then decide
to collect or not.

Greetings
Stancheck


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[The Ill Jedi]

Originally posted by evilive72
Bought it, tried it, didn't like it...

Didn't give it a chance. .

I think it looks interesting and will continue with it long enough to know what direction it's heading in.

[abraxis]

i was a fan of the surfer WAY back when the original series came out, so i was anxious to see what a new team would do with it.
i never saw any of the previews and picked it up without knowing anything about it.

my final verdict is:

this book is a steaming pile.
a fetid, steaming pile.

i jumped for joy when i heard that MILX (MILX??) was no longer going to be gracing it's pages.
i don't know who they got to replace him, but i'd settle for anyone!!
I just hated the look, feel, style, the story.....
ugh..just writing about it is like a cheese grater on my brain.

thumbs DOWN!!!

[JK Parkin]

Is this book still being published?