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MattBrady
06-23-2003, 09:35 AM
<img src="http://www.newsarama.com/sangiacomo/Epic2.jpg" width="200" height="304" border="0" hspace="2" align="right"><I>by Mike San Giacomo </I>
Before we begin this week's installment of <I>My Epic Journey</I>, I want to announce that the name of the book will no longer be <b>Nowhere Man</b> and will now be called <b>Phantom Jack</b>.

I'm not pleased with this development, neither is my editor, Stephanie Moore. Marvel's legal department mumbled something about a concern over Eric Stephenson's upcoming Image series <b>Nowhere Men</b>, which has nothing to do with newspapers, Iraq or invisible people.

I hope that all the folks who have been following <I>My Epic Journey</I> and all the other press about <b>Nowhere Man</b> will figure out that the comic is now called <b>Phantom Jack</b>.
I'm sure that Eric will put a big old disclaimer in his comic saying "If you're looking for Mike San Giacomo's adventures of an invisible reporter, which was to be called <b>Nowhere Man</b>, please look further down the rack for <b>Phantom Jack</b>."

In case he doesn't, please spread the word.

Now we return you to your regularly scheduled column already in progress.

<I>This is a weekly look at the process of writing a comic for Marvel's new Epic line, <b> Phantom Jack</b>, which was to be called <b>Nowhere Man</b> until THE MAN made me change the name.

My story and script about Jack Baxter, a newspaper reporter who can turn invisible was greenlighted by the powers that be at Marvel.

Last week, I reported that after several rewrites I was directed to start from scratch, putting the origin first.

And here we go... </I>

Monday morning I trudged into work with a stack of printouts, the result of an entire weekend's worth of work. My latest rewrite, the fourth or fifth, was a dramatic departure from the previous ones. It was <I>Smallville</I> to <I>Superman</I>, or more accurately, my Ultimate Jack Baxter.

I was not trying to rush the origin story through, I embraced it. The scripts turned out very nice, I thought. This was a storyline I had hoped to introduce further down the line, but now was fine.
The script opens with a 25-year-old Jack Baxter being roused from sleep by a phone call from Vinnie Cosumano, a photographer at the smalltown newspaper where both men work.

By the time Jack gets to the newspaper, he learns that most of the staff is at the scene of a huge chemical plant explosion that has caused half of he neighboring city of Norristown, Pa., to be evacuated.

The editor is angry but Jack has a plan.

He tells the editor that he grew up in that area and he knows a path to the site.

He and Vinnie go to the site and lots of cool stuff happens that I don't want to reveal because, God willing, you'll see it in full color one of these days.

That's the start of the script that I carried with me to my office with where I would fax them to Marvel Assistant Editor Stephanie Moore. I noticed my message light on my phone blinking, which in an of itself is not unusual, it's always blinking.

I tap in the code. It's Stephanie.

"Bill [Jemas] read your earlier scripts and he likes them," she said. "He likes the original version of the story the way it is. I hope you didn't do too much work putting the origin first."

I looked at the 40 odd sheets of paper, full scripts for issues 1 and 2 and plot summaries for the rest.

"Just the whole weekend," I said dryly.

Stephanie apologized. I think she meant it.

She said there were some notes from Jemas and Editor-in-Chief Joe Quesada in an e-mail waiting for me. I should read it and Jemas, Stephanie and I would talk that afternoon.

What a difference a day (or two) makes.

After last week's suggestion that I take on a co-writer I felt pretty discouraged, but when I read the message from Jemas and Quesada I felt great.

It was a copy of an earlier script with notes and suggestions by Marvel's two top guys.

Jemas moved a scene from the middle of the book to the beginning, which kept things in chronological order.

He and Quesada had suggested a few minor changes, which were good ones. Their notes to each other on the text was full of complimentary things about the work, which modesty prevents me from retelling.

In the three-way discussion later on, Jemas said the book was ready to go after a few revisions. I had been concerned about the centering the work on the Iraq war, which by that time, March, was petering out.

Jemas quickly solved that problem.

"We set the book in February, just before the war," he said.
Right. Simple. That relieved me of trying to keep current with the news.

Jemas said he heard that I had written an extensive origin for Jack Baxter and had planned to slip it in around issue three.
"You know," he said. "I think the character is pretty solid as he is. At this point the reader does not need to know his whole history and origin. They know what he can do. Let's save that for the next story arc."

The what?

The next story arc?

I had assumed that Marvel only wanted four issues tops and that would be the end.

I asked if they would be interested in continuing the story for more issues after the first run.

Jemas said "Sure, as long as it's selling."

I felt better about everything.

The issues I wrote would not be wasted. They could become a second story arc and I would get the chance to unfold the story as slowly as I wished.

With suggestions from Jemas and Quesada in hand, I said I would rework the scripts again over the weekend and we can start talking artists.

Things are looking up, but don't get too excited. We were only halfway around the course.

NEXT: "But, but," Bill said....

<I>To be continued… but don't get used to this logo, though... </I>
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<I>Mike Sangiacomo, a freelance writer for Newsarama and other sources, was invited to share his experiences with pitching to Epic by Newsarama's editor, Matt Brady, in the interest of keeping readers well informed. Brady advises Newsarama readers that he is aware of the inherent conflict of interest presented by journalists working for a publisher they cover. Sangiacomo's regular column Journey Into Comics has and will continue to be found in the Opinion/Editorial section of Newsarama. Brady has not, nor does he plan to pitch to Epic himself. </I>

Jun Kim
06-26-2003, 05:49 PM
Go, go, Mike, Go! Yea... for Phantom Jack! I'm excited!

BlakSun
06-26-2003, 07:29 PM
I think the new name sounds better anyway...

Arturo Bandini
06-26-2003, 11:18 PM
It seems that my eyesight is fading, re: reading posts on Newsarama, so this may have already been mentioned, but...

Isn't there a character in Alan Moore's Top 10 called Jack Phantom? (actually that's a rhetorical question -- there is a female character in Top 10 named Jack Phantom)

Doesn't that worry the lawyers at all? If not, I've got this great idea for a series called The Four Fantastics. Aren't I funny...

On another topic, though, I would like to ask how you feel dealing with the Marvel/Epic editorial staff differs from working with editors in your career as a journalist -- if you write mostly inverted-pyramid, news-of-the-day pieces, this is probably quite a different experience. But I suppose that if you typically write feature articles, you may be more used to a tug-of-war with the ed. staff. As a writer with a newspaper background and script-writing dreams in my head, I'd love to hear Mike's opinion on the matter.

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mikesang
06-27-2003, 01:15 AM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Arturo Bandini
[B]It seems that my eyesight is fading, re: reading posts on Newsarama, so this may have already been mentioned, but...

Isn't there a character in Alan Moore's Top 10 called Jack Phantom? (actually that's a rhetorical question -- there is a female character in Top 10 named Jack Phantom)

AIN'T IT NICE TO HAVE THE BOARDS BACK? I MISSED YOU GUYS, EVEN THE WEIRDOS, PRESENT COMPANY EXCLUDED.

Yes, we all knew about Jack Phantom and Top Ten, but Marvel legal does not think it will be a problem. Ahem. But just as Marvel can have a Wonder Man (as opposed to Wonder Woman) and DC have a PowerGIRL (as opposed to Mavel's Powerman), the change in name of Jack Phantom to Phantom Jack should work.
I think.
I hope.
M

QCCBob
06-28-2003, 11:10 PM
Is anyone else amused at the fact that a book who's title came from a Beatles' song and was shared by a TV show with the same basic concept is now renamed to a reversal of another pre-existing character's name? Maybe he should be 'Lawsuit Pending Man'...:p
Is anyone else amused at the fact that this 'creator owned' title that was supposed to introduce 'new voices' is being micromanaged to the point that the Chief Operations Officer AND the Editor in Chief AND the Epic editors have torn it apart and put it back together again so much that it's almost back to being what Mr. San Giacomo started with? If there was this much editorial oversight on the rest of the line, nothing would come out.

Arturo Bandini
06-28-2003, 11:35 PM
QCCbob--

This is one reason why I asked Mike what his journalistic background is -- some writers are never immune to this type of editing. Feature writers, or writers who work on more in-depth stories, tend to face much more editorial input than your typical "news-of-the-day" journalist.

And TV writers, from what I've heard, face this exact type of "micromanagement" -- getting notes from every which way.

It's really not as uncommon as you think (again, based on my limited experience and knowledge) -- especially in bigger corporations. Marvel is quite a big corporate entity, and there's a lot of people to please in that entity. You'd be surprised how many popular TV shows and movies had "committee" input. (The Simpsons, I believe, being one of the few examples of the "we don't need no stinkin' notes" shows that were allowed a greater freedom than most programs)

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mikesang
06-29-2003, 12:45 AM
Originally posted by QCCBob
Is anyone else amused at the fact that a book who's title came from a Beatles' song and was shared by a TV show with the same basic concept is now renamed to a reversal of another pre-existing character's name? Maybe he should be 'Lawsuit Pending Man'...:p
Is anyone else amused at the fact that this 'creator owned' title that was supposed to introduce 'new voices' is being micromanaged to the point that the Chief Operations Officer AND the Editor in Chief AND the Epic editors have torn it apart and put it back together again so much that it's almost back to being what Mr. San Giacomo started with? If there was this much editorial oversight on the rest of the line, nothing would come out.

SAN GIACOMO HERE:
There was a Beatles song called Nowhere Man?
These message boards have already beaten that topic to death. For what it's worth, I always thought NM was a great song and would be a great character. Because the song, as well as the short-lived television show, were other forms of media the name could be used. Ever hear of the Avengers and Defenders television shows?

The reversal of the name for Jack Phantom Jack seems to be enough. Think about the 8,000 knock-off variations of Superman and Batman over the years. Ever hear of Fantastic Force? Wonder Man? Hellblazer vs. Hellraiser?

If it's a problem, I'm sure Marvel's legal beagles will figure it out. I have lots of good song titles I can turn into names.

As far as the committee approach to editing, welcome to reality.
These guys get paid big bucks to make sure that comics bearing the Marvel name are not crap. Most of the suggestions have been right on target and I have stood my ground on important issues.
Frankly, I can't imagine them spending this much time with everyone. I don't know how this whole Epic thing is going to shake out once it gets rolling.
To answer the other query about my journalism background, I've been a reporter for (cough) 30 freaking years for newspapers in cities small and large. I've done everything from hard news, features, entertainment, business and even a sports story or two.
I also do tons of freelance. Editor assistance varies from none to smothering. As a rule, the bigger the story, the more "help" you get from editors. It's part of the deal and ain't no biggie.
M

QCCBob
06-30-2003, 08:47 PM
When it comes to editing, yes, I'm aware of the concepts involved. Why this ostensibly 'creator owned' and 'new voice' project requires the attention of the COO etc. is simply odd to me. Were Mr. SG not a professional writer, even though not a comics writer, I could see it if this were a high profile project. It isn't unless Epic is being taken much more seriously than it deserves to be.

As to the name game, correct me if I'm wrong, but licensing is the name of the game at Marvel. If you can't call the movie 'Nowhere Man', then, what's the point? Of course, it had to be changed!

davesharon
07-01-2003, 10:11 PM
It's too bad that the name couldnt stay Nowhere Man because I love that Beatles song. I also loved that TV show of the same name; but it didnt last too long.
Oh well. I hope to look forward to......what was the new name again??

Karl V
07-02-2003, 02:20 AM
There's a certain extent of creative control.
If there was none, we'd have published fan fiction. Simple as that.

Also, the publishers may be testing the waters for patience as well. They don't want a tempermental ego who can't handle requests...even if they seem 180.
Maybe they did it in such a manner to see how willing Mike was going to bend for them...then they circumvented around to something resembling his ideas...but still changed...

In other words, since he was willing to listen to them, they gave some of his aspects back. I'd half assume they'd have someone with a knee jerk reaction change their entire story to a point where they want to quit.
Which is entirely the "game" of it all.


Really, we're merely getting Mike's side and we're just tossing in idle speculation about what's being done on the other end.

Personally, I think it's a great boon for what Mike is doing here because it provides me with some knowledge of what to avoid, what to do, and how things work.