PEEK: WW #219 SECOND PRINTING COVER [Archive]

MattBrady

08-02-2005, 04:32 PM

DC has released the second printing (http://www.newsarama.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=39576) cover to Wonder Woman #219, the final part of the “Sacrifice” (http://www.newsarama.com/dcnew/countdown/SpoilerWW219.html) arc. Keeping with quasi tradition, the cover to the second printing doesn’t leave many questions remaining about the outcome of the story.

Wonder Woman #219’s cover is by The OMAC Project’s cover artist, Ladronn.

Click for a slightly larger version.

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GuitarSmashley

08-02-2005, 04:37 PM

that doesn't looked rushed at all

HugoMF

08-02-2005, 04:39 PM

Yuck...

al_capone

08-02-2005, 04:41 PM

Yay! I made an attempt to avoid all Wonder Woman and 'Omac Project'-related posts so that the ending to the Wonder Woman story wouldn't be spoiled to me (as it was sold out everywhere because of DC's dumb idea of not telling anyone a while in advance that it would be an important tie-in issue) and now I see that the cover to the comic I was waiting for ages to buy is going to feature a spoiler to what happened anyway. It's funny how everyone around here tears into Marvel for the littlest things, but I bet only two people are actually going to criticise DC's idiocy for this one. Stupid DC...:mad:

MarkG72

08-02-2005, 04:42 PM

Originally posted by guitaryoni
that doesn't looked rushed at all

LOL... yeah... man, that stinks.

blankpoint

08-02-2005, 04:43 PM

Oi, I hope that'll get touched up before it hits the press. Otherwise I think I'll drop the big order I was going to place for this tomorrow to something a little bit more conservative.

HugoMF

08-02-2005, 04:44 PM

Worst cover i've seen in a while... not to mention it gives away the ending!
If i was following the series i'd be mad...

OMAC

08-02-2005, 04:45 PM

That's nowhere near as good as the first printing cover. Yuk.

tralfaz

08-02-2005, 04:46 PM

DC 2nd printings have been the spoiler covers, look at that Batman cover that had Jason taking off his helmet instead of Batman reacting to who was under the helmet.

I think the minimalist cover is great. All you need to know of what goes down is on that cover.

william G

08-02-2005, 04:47 PM

Originally posted by HugoMF
Worst cover i've seen in a while... not to mention it gives away the ending!
If i was following the series i'd be mad...
What?

Superman finally figures out Wonder Woman does S&M on the side. No big deal.

Aaron

08-02-2005, 04:47 PM

Dman

08-02-2005, 04:49 PM

nothing against Ladronn, but that cover is not his best work

Hawkmoon269

08-02-2005, 04:50 PM

Do you want to spend your money on this?

Is this really the kind of thing some of you will want your kids to be browsing through your boxes some day and find?

"Daddy, why is Wonder Woman killing some guy in a tie?"

Personally, I don't care what great ideas DC has coming up with Infinite Crisis, etc., they've totally lost me on this. I'm not boycotting DC, but my involvement in the DCU is very, very limited lately due to this OMAC story.

If I wanted to read about people not getting along, I'd read the paper. I understand we need conflict in our stories, but to the point where the big three don't get along and use their accessories to murder people, well...

...I'll pass.

fistofkhonshu

08-02-2005, 04:50 PM

Worst.. Cover.. Ever..

Aside from Silver Surfer/Thor annual from whenever

algertman

08-02-2005, 04:51 PM

Awful cover

but if you don't already know the ending you shuoldn't be on this site anyway

clemsonfn

08-02-2005, 04:52 PM

fistofkhonshu

08-02-2005, 04:52 PM

Is this really the kind of thing some of you will want your kids to be browsing through your boxes some day and find?

No I would rather them find my mountain of porn

"Daddy who is she?"

algertman

08-02-2005, 04:53 PM

Originally posted by clemsonfn
Yeah.....also, Darth Vader is Luke's father.

OMGWTFBBQ I HATE YOU !!!!1!!!!ELEVEN!!!1

al_capone

08-02-2005, 04:53 PM

Originally posted by Aaron
Dude, come on, it's been a while... I think the whole "spoiler" threshold has been reached. It's not everyone else's fault that you're behind in your reading. It's DC's fault for their stupid idea of not telling retailers beforehand that the story would tie-in to 'Omac Project'. If they did the retailers would have ordered more copies, and I'd have one for myself to read. How can they do that and then have a spoiler on the cover for the second printing? The idiocy astounds me.

xdemon

08-02-2005, 04:55 PM

Originally posted by clemsonfn
Yeah.....also, Darth Vader is Luke's father.

WHAT?!?!

Damn, next thing you're going to tell me is that Luke and Leia are brother and sister!

Seriously, that cover sucks.

OMAC

08-02-2005, 04:55 PM

Originally posted by al_capone
It's DC's fault for their stupid idea of not telling retailers beforehand that the story would tie-in to 'Omac Project'.
But it said quite clearly in the Previews catalogue that these issues would tie in.

xdemon

08-02-2005, 04:56 PM

Originally posted by fistofkhonshu
No I would rather them find my mountain of porn

"Daddy who is she?"

"That's Mommy before you were born."

Kevin T. Brown

08-02-2005, 04:56 PM

al_capone

08-02-2005, 04:57 PM

Originally posted by Kevin T. Brown
Then why read this article when it's very possible to contain a spoiler from a book that has been out nearly a week...? I would have seen the cover anyway...

al_capone

08-02-2005, 04:58 PM

Originally posted by omac3000
But it said quite clearly in the Previews catalogue that these issues would tie in. I wouldn't know if that's true or not, but if it is then why do all the retailers I ask say that the reason why they didn't get enough copies was because DC didn't let anyone know it would tie in until 'Omac' #3 was already out?

OMAC

08-02-2005, 05:00 PM

Originally posted by al_capone
I wouldn't know if that's true or not, but if it is then why do all the retailers I ask say that the reason why they didn't get enough copies was because DC didn't let anyone know it would tie in until 'Omac' #3 was already out?
Yeah, checked my old Previews. It did say it was a 4 part story that tied into the OMAC Project.

The problem the retailers might have had is that there are several books with "tie-in" in the descriptions, such as Nightwing.

BlackDog

08-02-2005, 05:07 PM

If ANYONE is interested or has been following this story, they KNOW what happened to Max Lord already. Don't come here with this OH, THEY SPOILED IT ON THE COVER FOR ME!! crap.

On the other hand if someone new that knows nothing about The Omac Project or the Sacrifice storyline comes, they'll see this book and be intrigued to see if WW actually does kill someone, they'll buy it, see a hell of a fight, and see how for the first time, the COVER DOESN'T LIE!!

The second printing means that the book was sold out and many other fans want to buy the story to read it for themselves after hearing what happened.

You fkrs like to b itch about everything!

ParisCub

08-02-2005, 05:08 PM

Originally posted by omac3000
But it said quite clearly in the Previews catalogue that these issues would tie in.

Tie-in... Yes, it didn't say that you needed to read the whole Sacrifice storyline to understand what was going on in Omac! That's a big difference...

At least, with House of M, you only need to read the mini-series to get the story!

mauer

08-02-2005, 05:22 PM

Originally posted by al_capone
It's DC's fault for their stupid idea of not telling retailers beforehand that the story would tie-in to 'Omac Project'. If they did the retailers would have ordered more copies, and I'd have one for myself to read. How can they do that and then have a spoiler on the cover for the second printing? The idiocy astounds me.

Some retailers must have known...my store ordered three times their normal WW #'s (and still sold out), but why would they order three times the amount if they didn't know it was an important Omac tie-in?

Slayton

08-02-2005, 05:23 PM

Haven't we all been burned by so-called tie-ins? Thus, unless it is made absolutely clear that this was a critical piece to the OMAC storyline, most of us skipped it. In addition to my regular pulls, I'm signed up for all HoM and IC series already, and honestly wasn't looking to spend more this month than necessary. Heck, my LCS only order 2 copies of WW because that's all he normally sells. While I realize it was stated that "Sacrifice" tied-in, I honestly don't think it was made clear just how critical a tie-in it was. I don't blame DC for not letting us know, because that's the roll of the dice that makes the collecting side fun. I do take issue from a story standpoint in that "Sacrifice" really was OMAC 3.2, 3.4, 3.6 and 3.8, and that wasn't made clear.

chap22

08-02-2005, 05:24 PM

yeah, Heaven forbid a cover EVER give away anything that happens inside an issue...:rolleyes: then we wouldn't have lasting iconic images like this:
http://image.milehighcomics.com/istore/images/fullsize/19768226990.7.GIF

but i forget, all covers should be completely irrelevant pin-ups of the same pose by different artists every month. just ask Marvel...

pickard

08-02-2005, 05:36 PM

Originally posted by chap22
yeah, Heaven forbid a cover EVER give away anything that happens inside an issue...:rolleyes: then we wouldn't have lasting iconic images like this:

but i forget, all covers should be completely irrelevant pin-ups of the same pose by different artists every month. just ask Marvel...

Excellent post!

D_bot

08-02-2005, 05:50 PM

Here's the solicit, dated April 11th, for those that have not seen it.

http://www.comicbookresources.com/news/newsitem.cgi?id=5084

"THE OMAC PROJECT #4
Written by Greg Rucka
Art by Jesus Saiz
Cover by Ladrönn
The events of "Sacrifice," rocking July's WONDER WOMAN #219 and all three SUPERMAN titles, force an endgame in THE OMAC PROJECT, one of four great miniseries spinning out of COUNTDOWN TO INFINITE CRISIS! Checkmate turns against itself as titans clash in the heavens - and Brother Eye breaks free!
On sale July 27 o 4 of 6 o 32 pg, FC, $2.50 US"

JLAJRC

08-02-2005, 05:53 PM

Originally posted by omac3000
Yeah, checked my old Previews. It did say it was a 4 part story that tied into the OMAC Project.

The problem the retailers might have had is that there are several books with "tie-in" in the descriptions, such as Nightwing.

But many of the DC books have said "Tie-in". The current JSA arc ties into Day of Venegeance, but other "The Spectre is still insane." the stories have nothing to do with one another. You can read DOV without reading JSA (although the reverse isn't true).

The things in WW though is an continuation of the OMAC story, not a tie-in (despite what it says). You HAVE to read both stories.

See the difference?

OMAC

08-02-2005, 05:57 PM

Originally posted by JLAJRC
But many of the DC books have said "Tie-in". The current JSA arc ties into Day of Venegeance, but other "The Spectre is still insane." the stories have nothing to do with one another. You can read DOV without reading JSA (although the reverse isn't true).

The things in WW though is an continuation of the OMAC story, not a tie-in (despite what it says). You HAVE to read both stories.

See the difference?
The solicit definitely made a point about the difference.

rogue_tomato

08-02-2005, 06:01 PM

Cover is ok... nothing too spectacular, but it gets the job done...

coredejour

08-02-2005, 06:10 PM

i don't think the cover spoil anything. the only way you'd know the end or outcome is if you read the comic. how many time have we seen a comic book cover that emplies one thing but the outcome is a different one. did anyone think that batman was going to kill the joker back in the hush series when he had his hand around the jokers neck? had he killed the joker people would've said the cover gave it away. but he didn't. how many times have we seen a cover where it looks like someone is dead. what this cover looks like to me is superman may have hurt or killed him, he is in shock and wonder woman is cleaning up the mess. or mayeb it looks like he may still be alive because wonder woman has him tied up. bottom line is the only people that are giving away the ending is the people saying that the cover spoils the ending. how do we even know without reading it that is the ending? every single cover in comics is supposed to represent the last page? without reading you don't know if it happens in the begining, middle or end. but everyones yappin about it happening at the end now the unsuspecting reader will know. in your complaining you haven't helped.

to the guy that is worried about his daughter asking why wonder woman killed a man, as long as she can read i believe she'll be able to figure it out. if she can't read i don't think she'll know that wonder woman killed the guy. how come you're not worried that she is wearing something revealing? just a question.

JLAJRC

08-02-2005, 06:10 PM

Here's OMAC #3 solit dated March 14

THE OMAC PROJECT #3
Written by Greg Rucka
Art by Jesus Saiz
Cover by Ladrönn

The gripping miniseries spinning out of DC COUNTDOWN continues! Once, she was the woman who broke Bruce Wayne's heart. Now, Checkmate agent Sasha Bordeaux might just break Batman's will by revealing the mind-blowing power behind the OMAC Project - unless an OMAC agent gets to Sasha and the Dark Knight first!
On sale June 29 o 3 of 6 o 32 pg, FC, $2.50 US

No where does it says "Story continued in Sacrifice." It doesn't even say it at the end of the story. Plus, it's not our responsibility to do research. Therefore it being listed months later doesn't fly. They should have told us straight to our faces. They didn't.

skaly

08-02-2005, 06:19 PM

Originally posted by al_capone
Yay! I made an attempt to avoid all Wonder Woman and 'Omac Project'-related posts so that the ending to the Wonder Woman story wouldn't be spoiled to me (as it was sold out everywhere because of DC's dumb idea of not telling anyone a while in advance that it would be an important tie-in issue) and now I see that the cover to the comic I was waiting for ages to buy is going to feature a spoiler to what happened anyway. It's funny how everyone around here tears into Marvel for the littlest things, but I bet only two people are actually going to criticise DC's idiocy for this one. Stupid DC...:mad:

If you're just mad because the spoiler is on the cover, you should have known they would do this, because they did the same thing recently for Batman and Captain America. I think it's pretty safe to say they'll do it again too. My advice is to be careful when you're online or put those books on your pull list so they won't sell out before you can get them. I agree that it's kind of annoying to have the ending revealed right on the cover, but there are ways to avoid this (unless that happens to be the copy that you are buying).

Arsenal3

08-02-2005, 06:22 PM

Ummm...

Is anybody else upset that the first two parts of "Sacrifice" were pretty irrelevant? I mean, they both effectively told the same story, and it was adequately recapped in part three.

That being said, am I upset that I had to buy "Sacrifice" to get the whole story? Yes and no. Yes, the story should've been told as part of the OMAC mini if it were so crucial to the plot. No, I'm not upset that I "had" to buy it, 'cause I didn't HAVE to buy it. If I didn't want to spend the extra cash, I would've left it on the shelf. Even though I felt a little ripped off by the first two parts.

Ectocooler

08-02-2005, 06:22 PM

Originally posted by JLAJRC
No where does it says "Story continued in Sacrifice." It doesn't even say it at the end of the story. Plus, it's not our responsibility to do research. Therefore it being listed months later doesn't fly. They should have told us straight to our faces. They didn't.

That's why second prints were invented. No worries you can up your order on that one.

If you want more first prints, well then that's more of collecting than wanting to read a story and well then it's your own fault you didn't order more in the first place whether or not you knew it was going to be a blockbuster event.

BrotherI

08-02-2005, 06:23 PM

See, I wonder if DC realise that Ladronn isn't actually better than Morales. Ah well, I'm glad they're reprinting it. Don't mind paying for a tie-in if its good.

PaulCrocker

08-02-2005, 06:29 PM

1st prints should have the more superior cover art. Afterall, you shouldn't feel that you have to buy the second print because it has the better cover art. That is not rewarding to someone who picks up the title on a monthly basis. I have liked DC when it comes to this. Second print covers have done what they're supposed to do. Not outshine first prints.

Hawkmoon269

08-02-2005, 06:30 PM

Originally posted by coredejour
to the guy that is worried about his daughter asking why wonder woman killed a man, as long as she can read i believe she'll be able to figure it out. if she can't read i don't think she'll know that wonder woman killed the guy. how come you're not worried that she is wearing something revealing? just a question.

Ah, but you assumed it would be a daughter...I don't think I made a clear specification. I'd like to believe I'd be just as concerned, son or daughter.

My problem isn't so much with the murder per se, which I don't think is completely out of character, it's that of all the story decisions DC could have made, they decided, for whatever reason, to go down this road. While I think the OMAC stories have been well-written in terms of script, I don't care for the plots the writers and editors have decided upon lately. Just remember that...they have a whole universe at their disposal, and these are the decisions they're making (take a look at the cover again, and try to view it through a child's eyes).

And Wonder Woman's choice of attire is something worth noting as well, I totally agree. I don't think my having concern for the storyline means I'm not concerned about Wonder Woman's attire (which is what your message implies). Because I bring up one point on an internet message board doesn't mean I'm not thinking about others.

I don't mean to be difficult. If I appear to be critical of anything or anyone, I'd have it be DC Editorial at the moment, for their (in my opinion) flagrant disregard for proper management of iconic characters that are a definitive part of our culture. Or maybe I'm getting old.

PaulCrocker

08-02-2005, 06:36 PM

Originally posted by Arsenal3
Ummm...

Is anybody else upset that the first two parts of "Sacrifice" were pretty irrelevant? I mean, they both effectively told the same story, and it was adequately recapped in part three.

That being said, am I upset that I had to buy "Sacrifice" to get the whole story? Yes and no. Yes, the story should've been told as part of the OMAC mini if it were so crucial to the plot. No, I'm not upset that I "had" to buy it, 'cause I didn't HAVE to buy it. If I didn't want to spend the extra cash, I would've left it on the shelf. Even though I felt a little ripped off by the first two parts.

If you lucked out, you could of waited till now and purchase a second print of WW #219 in 2 weeks with a 2 page recap of the Superman parts to this story all included. I think DC are trying to give this choice to readers. Read it all, or just read the one issue with the recap. Reactionary behavior, but at least its something.

Goat warrior

08-02-2005, 06:36 PM

Spaz_Monkey

08-02-2005, 06:42 PM

This is my random complaint about whatever-the-hell this story is about. I've decided to stop reading anything in the main articles, and now I just bitch and moan at will!

Oh yeah, Rosebud was Kane's sled when he was a child.

The titanic sinks at the end of movie.

The martians are killed by earth-borne germs.

The annoying little kid in Episode 1 grows up and kills other annoying little kids in Episode 3.

Ploppy

08-02-2005, 06:46 PM

I would say thanks a lot for spoiling the ending for me but Ebay did that just fine. And it does seem very rushed to me also.

comicbookreader

08-02-2005, 06:47 PM

Woulda been sweet had they just issued a pencil sketch of the first print cover.

* SPOILER AHEAD IF YOU HAVEN'T READ WW #219 or OMAC #4 *
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Is it just me though or does the whole Max Lord/Black King's reason for wanting to take down the metas/heroes feel a bit... um... familiar? borrowed? Lord says he wants to eliminate metas before they intentionally or accidently destroy humanity? Wasn't that kinda the plot (or subplot) of Watchmen? or Kingdom Come or Dark Knight Returns (in that the DC heroes are "forced" into retirement by a government that finds them threatening)? I'm just saying that as I was reading WW #219 and OMAC #4, I kinda felt like, "Gee, this sorta seems like a stale plot device/motive by now."

Well, ok, I didn't really say "Gee."

BlackDog

08-02-2005, 06:47 PM

Chap22 said it best. I agree, great post.

Plus I never get tired of seeing that legendary Crisis On Infinite Earths cover.

KET

08-02-2005, 06:52 PM

Originally posted by chap22
yeah, Heaven forbid a cover EVER give away anything that happens inside an issue...:rolleyes: then we wouldn't have lasting iconic images like this:
http://image.milehighcomics.com/istore/images/fullsize/19768226990.7.GIF

Bad example; people knew SEVERAL MONTHS AHEAD what was going to happen in that issue. Hell, there was all sorts of international media coverage of that incident even before the first issue of COIE had hit the stands.

tralfaz

08-02-2005, 07:16 PM

Originally posted by Arsenal3

Is anybody else upset that the first two parts of "Sacrifice" were pretty irrelevant?
no because when read as a whole you will notice a progression in the story... 1) Superman discovers he has blood on his hands. he doesnt know who but he finds himself fighting Braniac because he killed all his loved ones
2) Superman discovers a partial truth in that it had been Bruce that he tried to kill
3) the JLA discover the truth about Superman and Max Lord
4) Wonder Woman fights Superman and makes a decision to end the threat.

so were the first two issue irrelevant? No, not when read as a whole. I can see why one would see it irrelevant after the fact, but i enjoyed having the layers peeled issue after issue until that last chapter. Its one of those stories that work reading issue after issue instead of waiting for a trade.

Chesscub

08-02-2005, 07:20 PM

Originally posted by tralfaz
no because when read as a whole you will notice a progression in the story... 1) Superman discovers he has blood on his hands. he doesnt know who but he finds himself fighting Braniac because he killed all his loved ones
2) Superman discovers a partial truth in that it had been Bruce that he tried to kill
3) the JLA discover the truth about Superman and Max Lord
4) Wonder Woman fights Superman and makes a decision to end the threat.

so were the first two issue irrelevant? No, not when read as a whole. I can see why one would see it irrelevant after the fact, but i enjoyed having the layers peeled issue after issue until that last chapter. Its one of those stories that work reading issue after issue instead of waiting for a trade.

I agree. You can feel the build up issue after issue. Especially the ending of issue 2. Damn that was a stomach punch.

Jeff

adamcasey

08-02-2005, 07:21 PM

xpositive

08-02-2005, 07:45 PM

Originally posted by Aaron
Dude, come on, it's been a while... I think the whole "spoiler" threshold has been reached. It's not everyone else's fault that you're behind in your reading.

Aaron

It is DC's fault. They didn't let us know that this issue was so important so not enough copies were ordered. People come in my store like everyday wanting an issue and most don't know exactly what happens. Plus, I have a feeling that if this guy put Marvel down, he would have got a "Hell Yeah" in response. Spoilers without warning suck as much as this variant cover.

Sunless

08-02-2005, 07:58 PM

DC made a mistake showing Todd on the Batman second printing and it looks like they have made another one here.

Someone said something about Marvel and pinup covers and while I agree DC does it too look at Green Lantern both covers for issue 1 and the issue 2 cover.

Sunless

08-02-2005, 07:59 PM

Originally posted by xpositive
Plus, I have a feeling that if this guy put Marvel down, he would have got a "Hell Yeah" in response. Spoilers without warning suck as much as this variant cover.

Agreed. Huge double standards on this board

chap22

08-02-2005, 08:06 PM

Originally posted by KET
Bad example; people knew SEVERAL MONTHS AHEAD what was going to happen in that issue. Hell, there was all sorts of international media coverage of that incident even before the first issue of COIE had hit the stands.
excuse me if i fail to see how that's a bad example of the point i was making. some of the best covers ever show you what happens inside that particular comic, whether there's a sense of surprise or not. not everybody reads the internet (or the trade press back in the old days); i had no idea Supergirl was gonna die until i turned to the last few pages of Crisis #7. i certainly didn't know Barry was gonna die in #8 until i read that. so what if it gives a few a surprise a few months early to that percentage of fans who actually look ahead? if they don't want to know, then DON'T GO LOOKING. give me a cover like Perez's over the multiple shots i see of Spider-Man doing nothing but swinging every month in ASM, USM, and the other titles he's in...

fedres

08-02-2005, 08:07 PM

Originally posted by BrotherI
See, I wonder if DC realise that Ladronn isn't actually better than Morales. Ah well, I'm glad they're reprinting it. Don't mind paying for a tie-in if its good.

I love Rags, but Ladronn is Da'Bomb! They are really apples and oranges, though. With that said, this cover did nothing for me as well.

Sunless

08-02-2005, 08:11 PM

xpositive

08-02-2005, 08:27 PM

Originally posted by chap22
excuse me if i fail to see how that's a bad example of the point i was making. some of the best covers ever show you what happens inside that particular comic, whether there's a sense of surprise or not. not everybody reads the internet (or the trade press back in the old days); i had no idea Supergirl was gonna die until i turned to the last few pages of Crisis #7. i certainly didn't know Barry was gonna die in #8 until i read that. so what if it gives a few a surprise a few months early to that percentage of fans who actually look ahead? if they don't want to know, then DON'T GO LOOKING. give me a cover like Perez's over the multiple shots i see of Spider-Man doing nothing but swinging every month in ASM, USM, and the other titles he's in...

Warning - I'm about to post a "Back in the Day" remark.................................. ..

Back in the day, covers gave one the idea of what was going to happen inside. Alan Davis and a few others continue the tradition today, but yes - for the most part we have Spidey swinging, upside down, posing, uhm..swinging again. I miss the old issues with stuff on the cover and word bubbles and all the goodness. Having Mongul stand triumphant over Sups with that dream alien thing on him...ah the goodness.
But wait, you didn't know Kara was going to die before you read it? Did you not look at the cover of that book?
Still, the end of WW 219 is a big deal, or maybe it is...
Not to say Supergirl wasn't a big deal and all, but we were promised a "shocking ending" to issue 7 of Crisis, so one could put two and two together. How much would it have sucked to see Colossus on the cover of Astonishing one issue early. Would have screwed the whole thing. Don't give away the farm on the first page.

Eison

08-02-2005, 08:29 PM

very happy about the reprint since i missed the issue on the stands. but that cover looks pretty crappy.

moffproulx

08-02-2005, 08:29 PM

Originally posted by al_capone
Yay! I made an attempt to avoid all Wonder Woman and 'Omac Project'-related posts so that the ending to the Wonder Woman story wouldn't be spoiled to me (as it was sold out everywhere because of DC's dumb idea of not telling anyone a while in advance that it would be an important tie-in issue) and now I see that the cover to the comic I was waiting for ages to buy is going to feature a spoiler to what happened anyway. It's funny how everyone around here tears into Marvel for the littlest things, but I bet only two people are actually going to criticise DC's idiocy for this one. Stupid DC...:mad:

Actually, Dan Didio told many people. I'm a retailer and got to speak to Dan a couple months ago and as a result I more than doubled my usual order and still sold out. I also heard many times that it would be important. I told all my customers that were buying OMAC that day that they needed to get Wonder Woman.

tralfaz

08-02-2005, 08:39 PM

Originally posted by TheSunless

Someone said something about Marvel and pinup covers and while I agree DC does it too look at Green Lantern both covers for issue 1 and the issue 2 cover. are we talking about the negative colored covers? :confused:

tralfaz

08-02-2005, 08:39 PM

Originally posted by fedres
I love Rags, but Ladronn is Da'Bomb! They are really apples and oranges, though. With that said, this cover did nothing for me as well.
forget it, they would probably say kirby sucked too

SITHSPAWN

08-02-2005, 09:11 PM

Man I just don't like the way that cover looks, hope they can do something to it before it hits shelves.

Ret

08-02-2005, 09:22 PM

Geez, Superman needs to work out.

CCGuy

08-02-2005, 09:34 PM

Originally posted by moffproulx
Actually, Dan Didio told many people. I'm a retailer and got to speak to Dan a couple months ago and as a result I more than doubled my usual order and still sold out. I also heard many times that it would be important. I told all my customers that were buying OMAC that day that they needed to get Wonder Woman.

Yup, same thing for my bosses. When Superman #219 came out, and we saw that we nearly sold out in all our locations in a few days, he immediately placed in an Advanced Re-order on the remaining three parts of Sacrifice, and ya know, we have a huge stock of those three at our main location as of today. Superman #219 is really the only one we are running low on.

We don't expect the stock to last for more than two weeks though, once we transfer some issues to the other locations so that they can maintain a stock. So yes, we all saw that at the end of OMAC that it said, specifically, that the story continued on in the Sacrifice story arc. And the same was true in the solicitations in Previews that Sacrifice would also lead into OMAC #4.

So retailers had plenty of notice to order up on these, even if it wasn't from Dan Didio himself. :)

Groovie Mann

08-02-2005, 09:37 PM

My LCS upped their Wonder Woman orders for Sacrifice to about the same as the order for the Superman books. Usually just enough for people who have it pre-ordered and a few extras.

Sorceress

08-02-2005, 09:47 PM

I think it's lame-o that they put spoilers on the covers, even if its second print.

sephiroth617

08-02-2005, 10:04 PM

Today, I went into a comic/cd store and I found a bunch of the first printing copies. I bought one. I think you can still find first printings around....

I'll have to pick up the other three isues up now. Just to see the progression.

xanderxerxes

08-02-2005, 10:20 PM

Texas Chainsaw Massacre covers looks like a davinci compared to this...

BTW, I apologize for being naive, I know what T&A means but can any one tell me what S&M means? thanks. :o

KET

08-02-2005, 11:07 PM

Originally posted by chap22
excuse me if i fail to see how that's a bad example of the point i was making.

Because the Silver Age Supergirl's death had been trumpeted about in the MASS MEDIA MONTHS IN ADVANCE of the ENTIRE crossover. DC Comics MADE NO SECRET of what was to come in issues #7 & 8 of that series, for those character deaths were a major part of the crossover's selling strategy.

not everybody reads the internet (or the trade press back in the old days);

...or perhaps you were LIVING UNDER A ROCK when the news hit. I'm talking about media outlets such as GANNETT NEWS SERVICE, ASSOCIATED PRESS, and UNITED PRESS INTERNATIONAL, and publications like TIME, NEWSDAY, NEWSWEEK, USA TODAY, THE TORONTO STAR, ADVERTISING AGE, CHICAGO SUN-TIMES, and many, many more.

Back then, a major superhero's death was a NOVELTY, because it rarely happened. Nowadays, it happens just about every other month (or week, but who's bothering to count anymore?).

i had no idea Supergirl was gonna die until i turned to the last few pages of Crisis #7.

Then I guess you were one of the few exceptions who couldn't BUY A CLUE from the OBVIOUS COVER ART. Imagine that. :D

StevieCool

08-02-2005, 11:41 PM

The cover isn't to
"DC Comics Presents: Superman & Walking Dead"
?

Mmmmm...Brains!!!!

Seriously. Those arms. I mean, we know the writers made the Big S brain dead during the storyline... but do the artists have to draw him that way now too?

Adrian Blade

08-03-2005, 12:06 AM

Originally posted by al_capone
I wouldn't know if that's true or not, but if it is then why do all the retailers I ask say that the reason why they didn't get enough copies was because DC didn't let anyone know it would tie in until 'Omac' #3 was already out?

Ummm....If memory serves me correctly Previews (Which comes out 2 months ahead of the books in it) Clearly stated that the supermans and this ish of WW tied into OMAC. If that's not enough time to get copies (especially considering that was the catalogue to order that issue) then I don't know what is. My only suggestion (especially with DC over the next few months) would be to look through all of the solicitations for all the titles that month and make sure you won't miss anything. I don't get WW but I put myself down for that issue and I'm glad I did because my store was sold out by the time I got there.

Sorry if this sounds like I'm being a jerk, but no sympathy from me...

uva1

08-03-2005, 12:28 AM

For the record:

1. I was one of those that read the Previews catalog way back, and it was clear to me, the "Sacrifice" story line was (pardon the pun) super important to OMAC. I collect WW anyway but hastened to add those issues of Action Superman to my pull list! Atlas Comics in Charlottesville rocks!

2. The second printing cover looks pretty rough-- I get the feeling DC is dismantling WW--- I also have a sinking feeling Donna Troy/Trioa is going to replace Diana as WW in Infinte Crisis-- something in that Wizard IC preview makes me uneasy.

3. This thread is pushing the usual level of inane bitching & whining to new and amazing levels. When I don't want to be "spoiled" I stay away from this site. I'm new here and I love this on-line community, but geez, come on-- Relax. Breathe. Intake.

end of rant

Steve

SevenMPS

08-03-2005, 01:12 AM

I've also never seen that Crisis cover ever. How about this one?

http://www.comics.org/graphics/covers/1576/400/1576_4_136.jpg

BTW, I apologize for being naive, I know what T&A means but can any one tell me what S&M means? thanks

Sodomy and Masochism

Likes to hurt and likes to be hurt.

And comparing HoM to OMAC is not right. Marvel pushed HoM as the big event.

It's self contained as I'm sure Infinity Crisis will be. That is the correct comparison. OMAC is more like Avengers: Disassembled.

-7MPS

the panther

08-03-2005, 01:39 AM

To echo everyone else: Worst. Cover. Ever.

Now I really want the first printing. Thank god it's what's inside that really matters. I'm not a fan of Ladronn's, but I haven't minded the OMAC covers too much. This is just awful.

EmeraldGuy32

08-03-2005, 02:02 AM

HEY MATT!! how bout putting some kinda spoiler on that pic! I still haven't been able to get ahold of this book and am waiting till I do to read OMAC!!:mad: :mad: :mad:

SonOfZod

08-03-2005, 02:26 AM

The cover is awful.

lokifer

08-03-2005, 02:34 AM

Yep. It looks like MattBrady dropped the ball again by not putting a spoiler warning up. He sure has done that alot lately.

James Meeley

08-03-2005, 03:26 AM

1) The second print cover: That is a horrible cover. I really hope that was just as rough edition, because I know the artist in question can do MUCH better work than that. Otherwise, I don't know why they didn't go with a B&W version of the first print cover (ala, Green Lantern Rebirth).

2) The cover spoiling the ending: While it's true this isn't the first time such a thing has occurred, that doesn't make it okay. And it seems especially dumb, when DC made such a big deal about how this story was going to "change everything" in the Supes/Bats/WW relationship. You'd think DC would be smart enough to leave that surprise in the book, rather then plastering it right on the front.

3) The cover to Crisis on Infinite Earths #7: That image kicks total arse! 'Nuff said.:D

4) The real story: What I want to know is why isn't the REAL story being covered. That is, how a multi-million dollar comics publisher, who has been having consistant sell outs on books connected to their biggest event in years, can allow them to keep happening, without any overprinting at some point. Call me carzy, but if I know WW #219 was a key piece to OMAC and Infinite Crisis, like the heads at DC do, I'd have made sure to overprint WW #219 in antisipation of much higher than expected sales. Now, how is it that little old me can see the trend, yet a multi-national corporation can't? There's the story that needs to be addressed.

Mutant Matt

08-03-2005, 03:47 AM

Sodomy and Masochism

Likes to hurt and likes to be hurt.

Uh, that's sadism and masochism. Sodomy is uh... check out dictionary.com

I don't usually come to DC threads, but I wanted to check and see if people bashed DC stuff as much as they do Marvel. While it's nice to see the bashing is there, the vehemence is not.

Funky cover, I gotta say.

James Meeley

08-03-2005, 03:57 AM

Originally posted by Mutant Matt
I don't usually come to DC threads, but I wanted to check and see if people bashed DC stuff as much as they do Marvel. While it's nice to see the bashing is there, the vehemence is not.

Might have something to do with DC's E-I-C not publicly putting their foot in their mouth as often as Marvel's does. But at least you learned DC isn't immune to criticism. That's got to be a good thing, right? ;) :)

kawasakidave

08-03-2005, 06:00 AM

Wow I agree horrible cover

Barry

08-03-2005, 09:48 AM

Giving away the ending of the story on the cover. How effing stupid is that?

xanderxerxes

08-03-2005, 10:30 AM

Originally posted by Mutant Matt
Uh, that's sadism and masochism. Sodomy is uh... check out dictionary.com

thanks for the S&M answers(scribbling it down)...;)

BoyWndr49

08-03-2005, 11:00 AM

I usually do a quick skim of Previews and I was able to deduce that Sacrifice was essential to the story.

Plus every single time Rucka or Didio or anyone involved with the story discussed OMAC they kept saying that the events that take place in Superman and Wonder Woman between 3 and 4 of the miniseries change the entire story. It was mentioned many times over the past three months.

I can see how some fans might not have caught on to this, but the retailers are complaining they didn't know? Isn't a large part of their jobs to pay careful attention to the books that are coming out and order them accordingly? I can see being caught off guard by the popularity of the story, but then treat the books like an unexpected hit, rather than some slight against your business. "DC puts out an excellent story that many find compelling and want to purchase. I've sold out of these comics because of it, thereby making money! How dare they!"

Get the new printings for your customers and stop blaming DC because you were asleep at the wheel. I agree DC could have handled the planning of these 4 in-between comics better, but many knew about it beforehand, so should the retailers.

mose73

08-03-2005, 11:33 AM

Aren't all the Superman titles from Sacrifice being reprinted as well?

If so, are they getting different covers? All other 2nd printings have been, but I haven't seen anything on these.

Hap Collins

08-03-2005, 11:47 AM

Originally posted by al_capone
I would have seen the cover anyway...

Not if you had been doing that bang up job of avoiding things like you whined about in your first post. The best way to avoid something is not to go on-line and look for information about it.

That's like whining about Hawkeye being back after you looked at the solicitations or articles about House of M, where he's also shown on the cover putting arrows into Logan. And that's the first print!!!

I'm just making this point because you make a point of being a Marvel Zombie.

Hap Collins

08-03-2005, 11:49 AM

Originally posted by Hawkmoon269
Do you want to spend your money on this?

Is this really the kind of thing some of you will want your kids to be browsing through your boxes some day and find?

"Daddy, why is Wonder Woman killing some guy in a tie?"

Personally, I don't care what great ideas DC has coming up with Infinite Crisis, etc., they've totally lost me on this. I'm not boycotting DC, but my involvement in the DCU is very, very limited lately due to this OMAC story.

If I wanted to read about people not getting along, I'd read the paper. I understand we need conflict in our stories, but to the point where the big three don't get along and use their accessories to murder people, well...

...I'll pass.

Actually, I'd like for my kids to have the sense that God gave a goose not to judge a book by it's cover.

And to know that most stories, the ones with all the conflict in 'em, have to do with people not getting along.

I'm just sayin'...

08-03-2005, 11:57 AM

Originally posted by Aaron
Dude, come on, it's been a while... I think the whole "spoiler" threshold has been reached. It's not everyone else's fault that you're behind in your reading. ...He's just a typical Spoiler Weenie Zealot, whose oblivious to the fact that once a book goes on sale and people have had time to read it, spoilers no longer apply. Dolts like him are of the mindset that Easter is a spoiler unto itself if you've never read the sections of the New Testament dealing with the Resurrection.

MattBrady

08-03-2005, 12:06 PM

Originally posted by OM
...He's just a typical Spoiler Weenie Zealot, whose oblivious to the fact that once a book goes on sale and people have had time to read it, spoilers no longer apply. Dolts like him are of the mindset that Easter is a spoiler unto itself if you've never read the sections of the New Testament dealing with the Resurrection. watch the name calling...but wait...what happened at Easter?

MattB

Scavenger

08-03-2005, 12:24 PM

fistofkhonshu

08-03-2005, 12:29 PM

Originally posted by xdemon
"That's Mommy before you were born."

hahahaa That killed me. :D

Hawkmoon269

08-03-2005, 12:31 PM

Originally posted by MattBrady
watch the name calling...but wait...what happened at Easter?

MattB

At the risk of being removed less than 24 hours after I signed up on Newsrama, to answer your question, Jesus Christ rose from the dead.

UX-Gal

08-03-2005, 12:49 PM

Ewww. Ugly cover.

MattBrady

08-03-2005, 12:56 PM

Originally posted by Hawkmoon269
At the risk of being removed less than 24 hours after I signed up on Newsrama, to answer your question, Jesus Christ rose from the dead. no spoiler warning?

MattB

fistofkhonshu

08-03-2005, 12:56 PM

Who's the character in your avatar Icon? Looks cool and familiar!

Also to everyone else, I just read the WW book and felt kinda let down after reading it. They made it sound like WW had a hard time with him. She was winded, sure. But those two could and should have fought harder. Supes didn't seem any stupider than he ever has to me.

There was the cool bit with her headband, magic tiara or whatever the hell they call that damn thing now.

Hawkmoon269

08-03-2005, 01:03 PM

Originally posted by MattBrady
no spoiler warning?

MattB

Matt,

I appreciate your sense of humor. No "buts" or "excepts" or snarky comments or sarcasm either. I really do. I know what you were getting at with your other post, but I took what you said at face value. I guess you took what I said at face value, too. We would never work as a comedy team because we're both playing each other straight. Unless people thought THAT was funny.

StevieCool

08-03-2005, 01:14 PM

I didn't pick up the Superman Sacrifice titles either - I disliked the slow pace. I did pick up WW (and thus kept a buddy from getting his copy - ha ha suckah!)

...but I read Bendis and "Earth X/Paradise X/etc.", so please send all comments to my glass house.

Couldn't the whole storyline been one issue? Yes.

...but I read "Shatterstar", so glass house, again.

What would kick *** as a second printing - showing his hallucinations on one page, showing the reality on the other. Replacing Darkseid/Ruin/Etc. with Batman on the cover (was he fighting him all issues?), replacing WW with Doomsday for her issue.

So although I am a hypocrite when it comes to reading choices, at least I have good ideas.

SevenMPS

08-03-2005, 01:49 PM

Originally posted by fistofkhonshu
Who's the character in your avatar Icon? Looks cool and familiar!
It's John Fox. The DC One Million Flash circa. "Race Against Time" Flash #112 to #118

My bad on the sodomy/sadism mix-up.

I knew and thought the correct term and typed something different.

Maybe it's because I had Law & Order: Special Victims Unit on at the time.

Thanks for the catch and correction Mutant Matt!

-7MPS

robin3td

08-03-2005, 04:59 PM

[QUOTE]Originally posted by tralfaz
[B]DC 2nd printings have been the spoiler covers, look at that Batman cover that had Jason taking off his helmet instead of Batman reacting to who was under the helmet.

They also did it for the Jim Lee/ Jeph Loeb "HUSH" 2nd printing cover. Although I read each individual issue, I knew someone who was going to read the collected volumes, and it was unfortunatly ruined for them.

BoyWndr49

08-04-2005, 10:01 AM

You just can't wait for the collected editions anymore. DC has been saying they have wanted to bring some of the payoff back to the monthly, making it so people just could NOT wait for the collected edition. If you read the OMAC and Sacrifice stories as they come out, you get your payoff. If not, then you are at a disadvantage.

khuxford

08-04-2005, 03:01 PM

Originally posted by Slayton
Haven't we all been burned by so-called tie-ins? Thus, unless it is made absolutely clear that this was a critical piece to the OMAC storyline, most of us skipped it.

All due respect, WW is written by the author of the mini that SACRIFICE was said to be crossing over with. The first printing cover is clearly made to look like an alternate viewpoint to the cover of OMAC, to help strengthen its obvious tie-in.

Still...I think DC could have and should have done better...but I think some of the retailers in shops with disappointed fans could have probably done better too.

tyopot

08-05-2005, 07:33 AM

supes looks so gaayy...

protonetron

08-09-2005, 07:38 AM

1st of all, clemson, I laughed out loud easily when I read your post. ha ha ha. I like your animation, too, of the computer guy headbanging. Nice.

Now, I'm not going to debate too much about not trying to be spoiled, cause I understand, but hey, I'd have to agree that if you are attempting to not get spoiled, clicking this post, was not a good move.

As for the covers. 1st vs. 2nd print. I would agree that 1st printing blows the 2nd by leaps and bounds. I actually don't like JGJones cover art on most of his covers for Wonder Woman. They just seem a bit off. He's had a few okay ones tho'. The way Superman's forehead and hands look is a bit odd. But you know what? , I do remember it, so it must be doing something.
I didn't realize all the later printings were reveal covers, but I shoulda. I recall reading bout the Jason Todd cover 2nd print for Batman while while back.

As for the retailers not knowing it's a tie-in. I wouldn't know, but my shop guy knew. I would have to say it was listed as an Omac Tie In. My retailer isn't that big on comics, and he knew anything with Omac is selling, and he ordered more. Heck, I went the 1st day after release day, and was very surprised to still see a few copies of Wonder Woman #219. When I bought it, the shop guy told me, he did a good job, ordering more, that he knew it was a tie in, and upped his orders. As most people know, WW sales copies usually run much lower by a lot than the bigger titles. If the shop guy is smart, he probably gambled, and has kept some in back for himself to try to resell for profit.

I also don't see how hard it woulda been to not know, what with all the ads in the comic books about Sacrifice storyline being so big in it's ramnifications.

I got pt. 1, cause I went to 3 shops on release date, and found it at the 3rd. I missed pt.2, and pt. 3, but got pt. 4, cause my shop somehow had it, a day after release date. Since then, I found a beat up copy of pt.2; I've read part 2 at a Borders book store(didn't buy), and hope to find pt.3 to read later. Even tho' I've read pt. 4, so I know what happens in the end.