VALIANT Thread

[ManofTheAtom]

Now that the characters have new owners, it's very likely that we'll see new comics.

What do you guys think about the VALIANT Universe and what would you like to see come back?

Would you like to see the new series pick up from where the last ones left off +9 years, or a reboot with the original concepts from the start a la Crisis of Infinite Earths but without the Crisis?

[md62]

I loved the Valiant universe. I think they should start over since it has been so long. I think it would do better than if they just picked up where they left off.

[ManofTheAtom]

Originally posted by md62
I loved the Valiant universe. I think they should start over since it has been so long. I think it would do better than if they just picked up where they left off.

Personally I'd like them to pick up from where they left off nine years later.

If Alan Moore's Terra Obscura and IPC material can work with decades old continuity, then surely a VALIANT revival has a better chance, specially if fans of the original give it the proper support and the publisher itself reprints the old material to get people caught up.

[md62]

If they do this it would be good to start each series with an inexpensive 0 issue to recap the series to bring readers up to date.

[ManofTheAtom]

Originally posted by md62
If they do this it would be good to start each series with an inexpensive 0 issue to recap the series to bring readers up to date.

It be cool if they did a four issue mini series that introduced old and new characters alike, and new and old plot lines and then have the new series spin out from it.

[Pascal]

The only thing I read from them is "The Geomancer".

[ManofTheAtom]

Originally posted by Pascal
The only thing I read from them is "The Geomancer".

Which version did you like better, Clay (the blind cop who had the ongoing series) or Geoff, the kid the cop replaced?

[Pascal]

Originally posted by ManofTheAtom
Which version did you like better, Clay (the blind cop who had the ongoing series) or Geoff, the kid the cop replaced?

I haven't read anything about a kid? :confused:

[ManofTheAtom]

Originally posted by Pascal
I haven't read anything about a kid? :confused:

Right, right.

How did you get to read Geomancer? Did you read it when it came out or get back issues later?

I liked some stuff from the ongoing series, like when they showed the first Geomancer, the one who had elemental powers.

[Bakema NL]

I liked early Valiant better, it would be fine by me when they started from there.
But I really think and expect them to start over and that's maybe the wisest decision too.

[ManofTheAtom]

Originally posted by Bakema NL
I liked early Valiant better, it would be fine by me when they started from there.
But I really think and expect them to start over and that's maybe the wisest decision too.

I do think that if given the right support (both from the publisher and fans) the VALIANT characters could have a Star Trek-type revival.

[jza1218]

As long as they don't bring back Solar. That dude was a douche.

[Pascal]

Originally posted by ManofTheAtom
Right, right.

How did you get to read Geomancer? Did you read it when it came out or get back issues later?

I liked some stuff from the ongoing series, like when they showed the first Geomancer, the one who had elemental powers.

Well, you recommended it to me and I bought some cheap back-issues. :D

[Incubuscraft]

They should do exactly what they did last time. Get 5-6 great creators together to write a set-in-stone Bible for the Valiant Universe (a la "Rai #0) and then produce a new UNITY series. As you may recall, half of the Valiant Universe was introduced in the origianal Unity (Eternal Warrior, Archer and Armstrong)
As long as they stick to the Bible and don't just make things up as they go along (like every other company) things should go quite well.

A new Magnus, Solar, and X-O would be fabulous.

Does anyone know how to get in contact with the new owners...maybe they are looking for some fresh new talent :)

wait...imagine this please...the new owners entice (somehow!) N. Gaiman, who will soon own the rights to Miracleman, to be one of their core creators. In this new Valiant Universe, then, Miracleman replaces Solar!! Master Darque is now Kid Miracleman!
ah...what dreams are these...

[I am MODOK]

Man, it would make a bunch of us go crazy to see another Unity, wouldn't it? Goodness. Too bad Turok, Solar and Magnus are gone, but there are still a lot of good characters there.

I was never taken with Harbinger, but X-O, Eternal Warrior, A&A, Geomancer, dang, so many good books. And I know people will laugh, but I LOVED Hard C.O.R.P.S. That was a neat book.

Was Shadowman supposed to die in 2000? I can't remember. Too bad, I always like Jack Boniface too.

[Incubuscraft]

Was Shadowman supposed to die in 2000? I can't remember. Too bad, I always like Jack Boniface too. [/B][/QUOTE]

According to Rai #0 he dies in 1999 defending the world from Master Darque!
Wouldn't that be a great way to begin the new series? Have Boniface's replacement recalling the series of events leading up to the death of the original Shadowman! Introduce all of the relevant Valiant characters through the course of the narrative.

I agree with you MODOK...HARD Corps rocked! But it should...it was created and written by Lapham, Michilinie (sp?), and Layton! But HARBINGERS was much better. Sting was a fine character. Again...pre-Stray Bullets Lapham. Classic stuff.

I missed that the Gold Key characters (Turok, Solar, Magnus) weren't included in the sale. That sucks. Magnus was so freaking revolutionary!

But I would pay good money to see old school creators bringing back Bloodshot, Sting, X-O, Ninjak, Eternal Warrior, etc...

[kingofcities]

I would like to see a relaunch that has a mix of both. I'm thinking in the vein of Formerly Known As The Justice League. A book that makes reference to events past, but still keeping a contemporary feel to the stories. The best of both worlds.

My favorites back in the day were Solar, Shadowman, Archer and Armstrong, Rai and XO. I liked a lot of the others as well, but these were the standouts. It would be nice to just see a few different books to start. Set up the tone for the new Valiant universe, and then brach out to revamping older characters, a few at a time.

I love that idea for the 25 cent books also. Great way to gain interest, and catch new and old readers up to speed. :)

[Incubuscraft]

I hate to sound like one-of-those-old-guys but...

I challenge anyone to show a better "crossover event" than UNITY. I reread it recently and it only partially withstood the test of time, but in the 90s when Marvel was regurgitating Infinity War/Crusade and DC was slogging through sad Batman crossovers, Valiant was publishing these incredibly elegant individual books that fit together seemlessly. Those who appreciate Morrison's Seven Soldiers books owe much to Valiant.

UNITY remains the fienst crossover and Rai 0 is the finest single issue of a comic.

[carl kolchak]

I like the idea of a Unity style miniseries bringing everyone up to date on what happened then taking it forward from there. Maybe have them fight back where they left off from oblivion, sort of like Legion Lost. At the very least, I'd figure out what happened to some of these characters. Maybe someone else remembers. This is what I think happened, tell me if I'm wrong:

Solar: Discorporated himself into a sun.
Magnus: Heard he died.
Bloodshot: Ditto
Shadowman: Depending on which version, he either jumped to his death or was killed by some voodoo guy in the Ennis version.
Harbinger: Stig wandered off and was forgotten
Eternal Warrior: canceled midway through story
Turok: Ditto
Rai: 2 versions dead, one forgotten
Hard Corps: No idea
Dr. Mirage: Ditto
Archer and Armstrong: Ditto
Geomancer: Ditto

If anyone knows and can fill me in on these characters, please do. The Non-Acclaim stuff only. After 1997, I just don't care.

[ManofTheAtom]

Originally posted by carl kolchak
Solar: Discorporated himself into a sun.
Magnus: Heard he died.
Bloodshot: Ditto
Shadowman: Depending on which version, he either jumped to his death or was killed by some voodoo guy in the Ennis version.
Harbinger: Stig wandered off and was forgotten
Eternal Warrior: canceled midway through story
Turok: Ditto
Rai: 2 versions dead, one forgotten
Hard Corps: No idea
Dr. Mirage: Ditto
Archer and Armstrong: Ditto
Geomancer: Ditto

Solar merged with the sun of a second planet Earth on a different solar system which he created during the Dan Jurgens run.

Magnus, according to the Destroyer (a Solar dupe) is lost in the time stream, so he can pop out in any era at any moment. Torque, Magnus' son, was turned into a Psi-Lord toward the end of the series.

Bloodshot was last seen in the Artic fighting a nanite-killer from the future using a bomb.

Shadowman was last seen jumping off a roof (Ennis' version doesn't count since that happened in a different universe. The egomaniac that he is, Garth did write those four issues intending to use them in the original VALIANT Universe. He wanted Jack to die because he didn't like him, he wanted to replace him with his standard "guy with a gun" character model).

In Visitor, Pete Stanchek recovered his memory while fighting his future self from an alternate time line (yep, crap happens when ideas from Marvel infect other companies, and this was such an idea). After that he wasn't seen again. In the actual Harbinger title, the renegade kids left the Harbinger Foundation, supposedly to pick up the fight from where the original renegades left off.

Eternal Warrior was not canceled through the middle of a story. In fact, EW was one of the very few titles that ended with the actual end of a story and without a cliffhanger.

Turok was last seen in the Lost Land with Andy, also at the end of his story so no cliffhanger for him either. Since he's in a place where time doesn't count he can come back to Earth at any point in history, past, present, or future.

Rai was last seen in issues of Magnus. His series also ended without a cliffhanger so he's fine and well in the future of 4021. Same for the Psi-Lords (the future version of the HARD Corps).

Last time we saw them the original HARD Corps went renegade and were replaced by a new team.

Dr. Mirage was last seen in an issue of X-O Manowar. His title also didn't end with a cliffhanger, except for the revelation that Carmen was pregnant (hopefully the new comics will show their child).

Archer, Armstrong, and Geoff the Geomancer were last seen in the Lost Land (rather Archer was seen in Turok and said that Aram and Geoff where there too).

Geomancer Geoff McHenry was last implied to be in the Lost Land, while Clay McHenry was last seen in a two issue mini series called Eternal Warrior: Fist & Steel.

Armorines ended with Gunny Lewis being taken out of the team, and the team itself was last seen in an issue of Dan Jurgens' Solar.

Ninjak didn't end with a cliffhanger either.

Timewalker also didn't have a cliffhanger, and being a time traveler he's not limited to any era, so he can come back in 2005 and for him it be as if he never left.

X-O Manowar had TWO cliffhangers.

The first one had Aric about to engage the X-O Manowar armor in combat, but the next issue started a new arc that ended with the revelation that everything since X-O Manowar #1 had been a dream.

[kingofcities]

Originally posted by ManofTheAtom
Shadowman was last seen jumping off a roof


Eternal Warrior was not canceled through the middle of a story. In fact, EW was one of the very few titles that ended with the actual end of a story and without a cliffhanger.

Archer, Armstrong, and Geoff the Geomancer were last seen in the Lost Land (rather Archer was seen in Turok and said that Aram and Geoff where there too).


The next issue started a new arc that ended with the revelation that everything since X-O Manowar #1 had been a dream.

Questions in order:

1. Jumping off a roof to his death, or was it ever shown what happened?

2. So how specifically did Eternal Warrior end?

3. What were A&A doing in the Lost Land?

4. No question, just a comment. That has to be the dumbest thing I've ever heard of. What is this....... Dallas? :rolleyes:

[ManofTheAtom]

Originally posted by kingofcities
Questions in order:

1. Jumping off a roof to his death, or was it ever shown what happened?

2. So how specifically did Eternal Warrior end?

3. What were A&A doing in the Lost Land?

4. No question, just a comment. That has to be the dumbest thing I've ever heard of. What is this....... Dallas? :rolleyes:

1.- He just jumped, we didn't see what happened after that, if he landed or was caught by someone.

Many fans have had many theories, from the Jack that jumped being an illusion created by an illusionist friend of Jack's, or Timewalker arriving in time to save Jack.

Garth Ennis was supposed to take over the series right after that (for a minimum of four issues) and replace Jack with Michael Leroi (his standard "guy with gun" character). The first issue by Ennis opened with Jack's autopsy.

If Nicieza hadn't rebooted the universe then Jack would have died from jumping off that roof (or from having a sax stuck up his butt as Ennis wrote it. I've never been cleared on whether Ennis changed the dialogue to fit in the new universe or if he was going to ignore issue 43 and kill Jack in a different way).

2.- Eternal Warrior defeated the bad guys and hooked up with the girl as all immortals since Highlander are prone to do, lol.

3.- Archer, Armstrong and Geoff were dragged into the Lost Land by a Shadowman clone created by Jack Boniface (more Marvel crap, lol).

The Chaos Effect happened when Ivar (the Timewalker) arrived in the then present followed by an influx of necromantic energy which stopped his time arc from closing.

Magnus arrived from the future with a piece from the Destroyer that energized Solar and allowed him to open a second time portal that sent the necromantic energy into the past, the dawn of time or something.

As the energy flowed from one portal to the other, the Shadowman clone revealed himself and fought the heroes, then took A&A, and Geoff captive and threw himself into Solar's portal.

The necromantic energy created the Lost Land, so that's where the Shadowman clone, A&A, and Geoff arrived to.

4.- It was a very stupid thing, lol.

I have ideas on how that can be fixed, though, lol...

[kingofcities]

Thanks for clarifying those things. Believe it or not, I didn't mind Ennis' story. Just seemed like an altogether different book but not at all like Shadowman. I hadn't been able to buy "Valiant" books towards the end there due to $$$ considerations, so my Valiant continuity was a bit off at that point anyways.

[Darksbane]

Originally posted by Man of the Atom
X-O Manowar had TWO cliffhangers.

The first one had Aric about to engage the X-O Manowar armor in combat, but the next issue started a new arc that ended with the revelation that everything since X-O Manowar #1 had been a dream.

You know what I don't normally talk like this but FUCK the person who decided on the dream sequence ending for X-O in the fucking goat ass, the bastard. I hope they fucking rot. If any V title comes back it needs to be X-O without that fucking dreamsequence shit.

[I am MODOK]

Man, I was a huge Valiant fan, but it is becoming clear to me that I didn't follow these through to the end. I remember the Bart Sears arc in X-O, and Breyfogle on Bloodshot, and Gulacy on EW. I think those were my last titles. I never read beyond issue 1 of any of the Acclaim relaunches, since they read like all new characters. As a matter of fact, I'm selling all those Acclaim books for a quarter in a yardsale this weekend, they are not worth the space in my collection.

I'll stick with the original Valiant, even post Birthquake. V2 was awful.

[ManofTheAtom]

Originally posted by Darksbane
You know what I don't normally talk like this but FUCK the person who decided on the dream sequence ending for X-O in the fucking goat ass, the bastard. I hope they fucking rot. If any V title comes back it needs to be X-O without that fucking dreamsequence shit.

That was Bob Layton that wrote that.

His intention was to give Fabian Nicieza a way to do new VALIANT stories without new characters or something.

Both of their ideas sucked, lol.

[carl kolchak]

Thanks for clarifying all this, everyone. Stupid Overstreet Guide wrote the final issues of Magnus, Shadowman and Bloodshot as death issues. I forgot all about Ninjak.

And I have heard of Visitor, but didn't know that it involved Peter. Is it any good? It's weird, I can find almost all issues from 1993 & 1994, but the last year of Valiant (The real Valiant that is) is hard to track down. Thanks for helping me out.

[ManofTheAtom]

Originally posted by carl kolchak
Thanks for clarifying all this, everyone. Stupid Overstreet Guide wrote the final issues of Magnus, Shadowman and Bloodshot as death issues. I forgot all about Ninjak.

And I have heard of Visitor, but didn't know that it involved Peter. Is it any good? It's weird, I can find almost all issues from 1993 & 1994, but the last year of Valiant (The real Valiant that is) is hard to track down. Thanks for helping me out.

It was good up to the point where they revealed that he was really the Pete Stanchek of the future. I thought that was a little lame.

You can try asking for issues at VALIANTcomics.com (http://www.valiantcomics.com) , they have a buy/sell area there.

Brian Hitch penciled the Visitor vs the VALIANT Universe (http://www.milehighcomics.com/cgi-bin/backissue.cgi?action=list&title=93353930956&snumber=1), btw (for those of you who may care about such things, heh).

[gon]

Originally posted by ManofTheAtom
It was good up to the point where they revealed that he was really the Pete Stanchek of the future. I thought that was a little lame.

You can try asking for issues at VALIANT.com (http://www.valiant.com) , they have a buy/sell area there.

Brian Hitch penciled the Visitor vs the VALIANT Universe (http://www.milehighcomics.com/cgi-bin/backissue.cgi?action=list&title=93353930956&snumber=1), btw (for those of you who may care about such things, heh).

Dude, your Valiant link takes you to a "software & payroll" company. :D

A question, by the way: weren't Valiant those books with the terrible color? :)

[ManofTheAtom]

Originally posted by gon
Dude, your Valiant link takes you to a "software & payroll" company. :D

A question, by the way: weren't Valiant those books with the terrible color? :)

Link's fixed :)

Well, they were colored by hand, so I suppose it looks horrible compared to computer coloring (which I like, btw).

They moved to computer coloring toward the end, and most if not all of the VH 2 books were colored on computers.

[kingofcities]

I prefer the computer color, but I love those old handpainted colors too. They could try a combination of both ala Isanove.

[ManofTheAtom]

Originally posted by kingofcities
I prefer the computer color, but I love those old handpainted colors too. They could try a combination of both ala Isanove.

I'm sure we might end up getting something like that, mostly because the new owners are fans of the original way the comics were done.

I'm guessing they'll want to try to get some of the original creators back, including colorist, but still use computers so the comics can compete with everyone else.

[D-Mac]

I would love to see Eternal Warrior and Turok return. Tim Truman and Paul Gulacy's work on Turok was outstanding.

[arthur pendragon]

I too loved Valiant but my experience with them only went about a year after Shooter was booted from the company. I adored Valiant because of their meticulous continuity(at least in the early days), and the fact that they were writer driven comics. People complained at the time about the house style of art at Valinat but it never bothered me one bit. I know there's much derision heaped upon the early Image years, and with good reason, and in spite of all the talk today about writers, I still get the feeling that the art is more important to many people. I know it's supposed to be a marriage of art and writing but too often they seem like unequal partners with the art dominating things.

I imagine the odds are slim that Shooter would get involved with these characters again, but I sure would like to see someone who remembers the things that early Valiant emphasized that set them apart from everything else that was going on at the time.

[ManofTheAtom]

How do you guys think that the new VALIANT launch should be handled?

As arthur points out, VALIANT did continuity good, so I think it makes sense for the new series to address what happened before, not ignore it (address doesn't mean dwell, btw. Address the cliffhangers, solve them, and move on).

What do you think?

[kingofcities]

Originally posted by ManofTheAtom
How do you guys think that the new VALIANT launch should be handled?

I think they should put out some type of oversize issue at a cheap price, ala Countdown. The story could be used to bridge the old and the new as well as be written by writers of the new series and showcase art from the new art teams. There you have it. A cheap sampler that will get people excited about the new books as well as answer some questions about the old series.

[ManofTheAtom]

Originally posted by kingofcities
I think they should put out some type of oversize issue at a cheap price, ala Countdown. The story could be used to bridge the old and the new as well as be written by writers of the new series and showcase art from the new art teams. There you have it. A cheap sampler that will get people excited about the new books as well as answer some questions about the old series.

A VALIANT Primer sounds like a very cool idea.

I also think they should reprint the old stuff to make people aware of the characters and the stories.

[kingofcities]

Originally posted by ManofTheAtom
AI also think they should reprint the old stuff to make people aware of the characters and the stories.

I agree. I'd be happy if they even put it out in a sort of Manga format. B&W and a smaller in size. I'd of course love to have the regular size, color trades, but at least the other way the price could be kept reasonable.

[ManofTheAtom]

Originally posted by kingofcities
I agree. I'd be happy if they even put it out in a sort of Manga format. B&W and a smaller in size. I'd of course love to have the regular size, color trades, but at least the other way the price could be kept reasonable.

Wouldn't work.

Consider that u can find a ton of VALIANT very cheap in back issue bins both on and off line.

If the tps are going to be black and white to keep the cost down people would be more inclined to buy the color back issues which are cheaper.

The new reprints need to be of very high quality so they can compete with DC and Marvel.

They also need to attract the audience by offering material you can't find elsewhere, like interviews with the creators, sketches, script excerpts, etc.

The reprints could be DVD-esque in style, with similar content.

[kingofcities]

Originally posted by ManofTheAtom
Wouldn't work.

Consider that u can find a ton of VALIANT very cheap in back issue bins both on and off line.

If the tps are going to be black and white to keep the cost down people would be more inclined to buy the color back issues which are cheaper.

The new reprints need to be of very high quality so they can compete with DC and Marvel.

They also need to attract the audience by offering material you can't find elsewhere, like interviews with the creators, sketches, script excerpts, etc.

The reprints could be DVD-esque in style, with similar content.

I agree and disagree. You are correct that the back issues would be cheaper (I myself picked up a ton for VERY cheap), however the availability is spotty at best. A few issues here or there, but hardly what I would call complete runs on any of these titles. There is online shopping of course, but that hardly scratches the itch of an impule shopper. Not to mention that anyone who is inclined to read these stories would probably have already gone out of their way to try and find them.

But hey, I'm all for nice glossy reprints. I was just trying to think of ways to keep the cost down. I love the DVD idea though. It would be rough to get a lot of those creators to contribute something, but I think it would make for a nice package.

[ManofTheAtom]

That's how you hook potential buyers.

Yes, there are back issues available for very cheap, but mostly it's not full runs so you're left with an incomplete story.

By offering a DVD-esque tp, you give the potential buyers the stories they're looking for and some extra.

The question here isn't quality but price.

The new prints have to be of good enough quality and good enough price to compete with DC and Marvel.

I think a $9.95 cover price would do it.

[ManofTheAtom]

VALIANT Flyer (http://www.valiantfans.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5654)

Hey guys,

I emailed all the comic shops in the world that I had email addresses for (yes - I did say the WORLD) trying to get the shop owners to sign the petition. The response has been pretty good and I'm sure a number of the shop owners signed the petition.

That being said one of the owners emailed me asking for a blank petition for his customers to sign. Well, I can't do that since it is electronic and all, but I created a printable flyer. I would like all board members here to please print this off and give it to your local comic shops to put on their message boards. I am going to re-email all the shops all again with this flyer also, but I'm sure the owners would be more likely to put it up if it came as a request from a paying customer - not just a person who they don't know who emails them.

Here is a link to the printable petition:
http://www.valiantfans.com/PetitionFlyer.jpg

Also, to make it easier could all of you who bring this to your LCS please cut the vertical dotted lines to make it easier for the internet addresses to be detached?

Thanks to everyone who is helping to support this. I am trying to do my part to help get the "real" Valiant books published again.
Chris

[kingofcities]

Originally posted by ManofTheAtom
I think a $9.95 cover price would do it.

I do agree about that price. Anything higher than that and you'd potentially be losing customers.

[Bakema NL]

Originally posted by ManofTheAtom
How do you guys think that the new VALIANT launch should be handled?

As arthur points out, VALIANT did continuity good, so I think it makes sense for the new series to address what happened before, not ignore it (address doesn't mean dwell, btw. Address the cliffhangers, solve them, and move on).

What do you think?

As much as I like(d) early Valiant, I think they should start from scratch or based upon goldkey and work from there, modernizing the stuff themselves.

[protonik]

*GuSH* Valiant was MY company for YEARS. I got so into Solar, X-O, Bloodshot and Eternal Warrior! About the time of the Omega Effect I started to get out of them due to monetary constraints and the fact that the "house style" had been thrown out. I think a BIG part of what made Valiant work was the house style of art they used. No, it wasn't flashy or overly Dynamic and gave the books a unified identity that a young company really needs. I don't see what is so wrong with a house style that can be defined as Barry Windsor-smith inked by Bob Layton...!!!!

I recently picked up a big lot of Valiant (getting more tomorrow) at my comic shoppe's quarter sale including a long run of Shadowman. Bob Hall's run was probably one of the BEST runs of any creator on a character and he MADE Shadowman into something more than another Batman wannabe. When Englehart took the same concept to Malibu and made Nightman, it showed the weakness in the original concept but Hall coming along and the necromantic energies, new costume etc really made the character work and adding Voudou was inspired. Master Darque (got his first appearance in the quarter lot, man I remember when it was like 75 bucks) was not only Valiant's answer to Dr. Doom but also their answer to Darkseid AND Thanos. Darque is just that bad ass.

I think my favourite quality of Valiant was that outside of SOlar and Mothergod... NOBODY was all powerful blah blah blah. Harada was a pretty powerful psychic, most powerful on Earth but he wasn't a Prof. X. The characters were more human, I mean look at Sting who used his mind control to get his girlfriend and to bring the team together! X-O was an ignorant barbarian from another time whose best friend was a foppish gay man!!!! This was a world of small but subtle powers that seperated the characters from the rest of the norm. When they first started the colours that Valiant used were AWESOME but were soon outpaced by Image. It was revolutionary at the time, but like the Sex Pistols it din't take long for someone to do it better and as far as hand coloured comics go, Janet Jackson was the best and to show you that I turn you to Warriors of Plasm!

I think the universe could be returned to where it was before Acclaim came along without dream stories etc. Just go back to Omega Effect. Somehow the timeline was disrupted. Solar, now reverting back to his owners, needs to be retconned out of the story and Sting has become all powerful hoochiemama anyway... Sting travels back to the Omega Effect and reboots everything from there... the point when it all went wrong, trying to fix it. Phil Seleski SHOULD stll be Valiant as THAT character was created by Shoote rand co. for Valiant as a new version of Solar. Sting has a battle with Seleski, outside of his costume, simply calling him Dr. and steals his power playing off of Seleski's insecurities. He then uses the power to reboot the timeline from that point where we learn that the Shadowman clone was the one that died in 1999 etc. The new books start with a NEW Rai #0 that lays out what happens AFTER Sting reboots the universe from the Omega Effect.

Unity 2 so to speak.

This leaves us with a villain as god, because Sting would snap from the power of Solar and this is a future Sting as well. Launch with four books:

Rai which can be used to tell stories about Valiant's future, not just the Magnus era but all eras after the birth of the first Rai.

Eternal Warrior which can relate not just stories about today but also the PAST of the Valiant Universe.

Shadowman continues the tales of Jack Boniface, again, revealed to not have died, but his clone did.X-O Manowar because Aric of Dacia is so damn cool.

Jason

[protonik]

Looking at print runs in the Valiantcomics.com price guide... man, those sales would be golden today, 30-50000... wow. What a different market.

And the worst part of Valiant? 2 parts.... The firing of Jim Shooter. He made the company and Hart and Massarky shat all over him and secondly... John Dixon's inks... my god were they overwhelming or what? He made everyone look like shit.

Jason

[toolverine]

Any word on new comics? I'm partway through Unity and loving it!

[grphxkindaguy]

Originally posted by Darksbane
You know what I don't normally talk like this but * the person who decided on the dream sequence ending for X-O in the *ing goat ass, the bastard. I hope they *ing rot. If any V title comes back it needs to be X-O without that **ing dreamsequence *.

It sounds like Valiant did a "Dallas - Bobby Ewing in the shower" deal w/this. What a cop out...

Did the Shooter/Starlin UNITY 2000 mini ever finish?

[fedres]

Originally posted by grphxkindaguy
It sounds like Valiant did a "Dallas - Bobby Ewing in the shower" deal w/this. What a cop out...

Did the Shooter/Starlin UNITY 2000 mini ever finish?

Well, until MOTA comes along with detailed info...I think 2 issues came out but that art for the whole series was produced, just not published.

[I am MODOK]

Originally posted by fedres
Well, until MOTA comes along with detailed info...I think 2 issues came out but that art for the whole series was produced, just not published.

I believe this is correct.

[ManofTheAtom]

Three issues came out :)

The art was finished up to the inks, it only needs to be colored and dialogued.

You can find the art for the remaining three issues here (http://www.theartistschoice.com/rubinsteinpz.html#UNITY2000). Looking at it you get a clear idea of where things were going to end.

HOWEVER, the ending of U2K was NOT going to lead into the relaunch that James Perlham was planning to do at the time.

Perlham was planning to ignore U2K and do another VALIANT universe (VH 3).

The first comic he was planning to release was a Dr. Mirage one shot.

I've seen art from this and I'm glad it never came out (more or less).

The art was very Bruce Timm-esque while Dr. Mirage was a Dr. Strange-wanna be.

The only highlights of that one shot were the use of Armstrong and that Master Darque went back to the original look from the VH 1 comics, a white skinned man whose body was covered in tatoos instead of a Rod Stewart/John Constantine wanna be.

Other planned one shots for this VH 3 reality were gonna be Bloodshot, Magnus, and Harbinger.

You can find some info on the VH 3 Bloodshot here (http://www.geocities.com/angelo_mortalli/) along with some artwork (VH 3 Bloodshot is the one dressed in black with the guns in his hands that looks like a runaway from a Rob Liefeld comicbook).

[ManofTheAtom]

Originally posted by toolverine
Any word on new comics? I'm partway through Unity and loving it!

No word yet :(