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MattBrady
06-09-2003, 07:28 AM
<img src="http://www.newsarama.com/sangiacomo/Epic2.jpg" width="200" height="304" border="0" hspace="2" align="right">by Mike San Giacomo

If this were television this would be a “very special episode” of My Epic Journey.

No, no one is getting married, dying or having a baby.

In light of the announcement that Mitch Breitweiser will be the artist on Nowhere Man, I thought it would be smart to jump ahead and talk about the artists I have been working with on the project.

The main reason is that Epic hopefuls are putting together art teams and these guys ought to me at the top of the list. It kills me not to be able to use ‘em.

So if anyone has a really hot greenlighted project and needs an artist, read on.

<a href="http://www.newsarama.com/sangiacomo/big-rig.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://www.newsarama.com/sangiacomo/big-rig_t.jpg" width="200" height="224" border="0" alt="Bigelow by Mitch" hspace="2" align="left"></a>Just don’t touch Mitch. He’s spoken for.

A comic writing buddy of mine told me the biggest problem I would encounter putting together a comic would be finding an artist.

He said that there are very few decent artists out there.

He was wrong.

Finding an artist to draw Nowhere Man turned out to be the easiest thing in the world. The tough part was selecting one to use from the good ones.

I was still working on the scripts when Marvel Marketing Director Mike Doran asked if I would be part of the Marvel press conference announcing the first amateur two books of the new Epic line.

The same day of the press conference I started getting e-mails and calls from prospective artists, known and unknown.

<a href="http://www.newsarama.com/sangiacomo/Nowhere_ManMuncover_sample.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://www.newsarama.com/sangiacomo/Nowhere_ManMuncover_sample_t.jpg" width="185" height="300" border="0" alt="Muniz cover sample" hspace="2" align="right"></a>Cool, this is going to be a snap.

One of the first inquiries was from the guy I eventually chose, Mitch Breitweiser. He e-mailed some samples, which looked pretty darn good.

Then a guy from Texas named Jun Kim sent me his samples. His were good, too.

A few days later, Jim Muniz from Queens asked for a chance to show what he could do.

I sent out a script to these guys and a few others and suggested they take a page and show me what they could do.

There were three or four other folks who were interested, but I felt their styles were either too different or frankly, not up to snuff.

One of the pleasant surprises was an e-mail from Scott Morse offering to do a cover. Wow. Scott Morse of Soulwind and Volcanic Revolver liked the concept. I graciously declined because I knew there was no way in hell that my budget could afford him. My budget can barely afford me.

Mitch Breitweiser of Hoboken, N.J., had the inside track from the day he sent over the very cool Nowhere Man logo, which will be used for the series.

He’s a talented guy out to prove himself, which will not be very hard.

He’s 25, which is a little scary considering what I was doing at that age, and has drawn an issue of Agent X. He also drew a story in Noble Causes: Extended Family which is due on the stands any minute now.

<a href="http://www.newsarama.com/sangiacomo/coverKIM.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://www.newsarama.com/sangiacomo/coverKIM_t.jpg" width="185" height="286" border="0" alt="Kim cover sample" hspace="2" align="left"></a>He works with Golden Goat Studios, another batch of talented people.

If I was not convinced that Mitch was the man for the job by his samples drawn from my script, his portfolio at Wizardworld East in Philly convinced me. He draws a mean Black Widow.

See for yourself at <a href="http://mitchellillustration.com/." target="_blank">http://mitchellillustration.com/.</a>

Jun Kim lives in Texas, but we won’t hold that against him.

Born in South Korea, that’s the Korea without nuclear weapons, (well, of their own, as they’re more than welcome to ours), he and his family moved to the island of Saipan in the Northern Mariana Islands when he was 11.

Despite his parents’ advice, he was determined to be an artist. He moved to Texas to attend college and now, at age 30, is marketing director for a national engineering and consulting firm.

Check out his samples elsewhere on this page or at <a href="http://createrdesign.com/comicart/" target="_blank">http://createrdesign.com/comicart/</a>

He can be reached at comicart@createrdesign.com

Jim Muniz came the closest to unseating Mitch for the art chores.

<a href="http://www.newsarama.com/sangiacomo/Muniz_Sam_Twitch_t.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://www.newsarama.com/sangiacomo/Muniz_Sam_Twitch_t.jpg" width="185" height="286" border="0" alt="Muniz's Sam &amp; Twitch" hspace="2" align="right"></a>Born in Miami, he moved to New York at age 5 and was taught to draw by his grandfather, Jack Kirby. Just kidding, Kirby was not his grandfather. I think it was Joe Kubert.

After a promising career is baseball with 90 mph fastball in college, his dreams of pitching for a ball team shattered when he injured his throwing arm.

He turned back to art and tried to break into the business in the bad old days of the early 1990s. He won a cover drawing contest held by Todd McFarlane drawing Sam and Twitch. God willing, it should be somewhere on this page. Jim now lives in Queens.

Jim can be reached at JMuniz610@aol.com.

You’ll be seeing the work of Thom Zahler of Timberlake, Ohio, on another Epic project, Crimson Dynamo as letterer.

Zahler, well, I'll let him describe himself:

"Much to the dismay of his mother, Thom Zahler decided to follow his dream of becoming a cartoonist and graphic artist. He was then sentenced to three years at The Joe Kubert School of Cartoon and Graphic Art , where he learned such important things as figure drawing and that Batman had a pet dog once named Ace the Bat-Hound, who actually wore a little mask.

After escaping New Jersey, he returned to Ohio where he took advantage of hapless men trying to show off to their girlfriends by becoming a caricaturist on the Geauga Lake midway. He now works as a freelance caricaturist in the Ohio area, performing at birthday parties, county fairs and anywhere else he thinks there may be single women.

He has also worked in various capacities in the comic book field for Marvel Comics, Warner Brothers and Claypool Comics. He currently writes and draws the Slider comic strip for the Cleveland Indians and letters for Marvel Comics and Claypool. He is the creator of the graphic novel Raider: From the Shadows, the first installment of an action-adventure-spy series. Always busy, you never know where he might turn up next."

A portfolio of comic book and other cartooning work:
<a href="http://www.thomz.com" target="_blank">http://www.thomz.com</a>

He is most proud of his recent work Raider: From the Shadows which can be previewed at <a href="http://www.raidercomic.com" target="_blank">http://www.raidercomic.com</a>

But before we go, take a look at Jim inking Mitch. I think we may have a winner. <center><a href="http://www.newsarama.com/sangiacomo/Nowhereman_page_inked.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://www.newsarama.com/sangiacomo/Nowhereman_page_inked_t.jpg" width="185" height="294" border="0" alt="Mitch inked by Muniz" hspace="2" align="center"></a></center>

And on top of all of that, before we go part two, Mitch has also cleaned up the logo…

<center><img src="http://www.newsarama.com/sangiacomo/noweherman-logo2.jpg" width="500" height="156" border="0" hspace="2"></center>

Next week: back on track with the Epic Journey.

Mike Sangiacomo, a freelance writer for Newsarama and other sources, was invited to share his experiences with pitching to Epic by Newsarama's editor, Matt Brady, in the interest of keeping readers well informed. Brady advises Newsarama readers that he is aware of the inherent conflict of interest presented by journalists working for a publisher they cover. Sangiacomo’s regular column Journey Into Comics has and will continue to be found in the Opinion/Editorial section of Newsarama. Brady has not, nor does he plan to pitch to Epic himself.

Aaron Weisbrod
06-09-2003, 10:29 AM
You go Mitchell! You go Mike! :)

The Goat has your back! :D

Proud to be a Goat, <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />
Aaron Weisbrod

AndroidShogun
06-09-2003, 12:48 PM
That last image looks so cool, I can't wait to read this series. All of those artist look so badass aswell but, im glad you chose Mitch - I prefer his art more than the others. If Marvel does accept my script I hope I have it as easy as you had to find an artist.

mitchell breitweiser
06-09-2003, 01:33 PM
click here for more NOWHERE MAN fun!!!!!

<a href="http://mitchellillustration.com/interiors/COVER-SKETCH-small.jpg" target="_blank">http://mitchellillustration.com/interiors/COVER-SKETCH-small.jpg</a>

I hope everyone will enjoy this series, God knows I will!

Best,

Mitchell Breitweiser
<a href="http://www.mitchellillustration.com" target="_blank">www.mitchellillustration.com</a>

Zeb Oswalt
06-09-2003, 03:46 PM
Well Congrades to all three of you. Hope No WareMan is a big hit.

drss
06-09-2003, 08:36 PM
Thats pretty unlikely. I dont like the way it has been edited. It lost the same feeling I got from it by having the origin coming first, and do it sequencially, systematically, and uncreatively in a tired, over-used manner.

I thought for sure Nowhere Man would see my 2.95, but now I am not so sure. I will just flip it open and see the 1st few pages. If it starts with the origins, I will make it my point to not buy it. AND encourage others not to (which is to be an extremist.. which in reality I likely wont..)

I hope Nowhere Man turn out great.

Todd VerBeek
06-09-2003, 09:04 PM
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by drss:
<strong>Thats pretty unlikely. I dont like the way it has been edited. It lost the same feeling I got from it by having the origin coming first, and do it sequencially, systematically, and uncreatively in a tired, over-used manner.

I thought for sure Nowhere Man would see my 2.95, but now I am not so sure. I will just flip it open and see the 1st few pages. If it starts with the origins, I will make it my point to not buy it. AND encourage others not to (which is to be an extremist.. which in reality I likely wont..)

I hope Nowhere Man turn out great.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">This is probably the most neurotic complaint I've ever heard about a book the speaker has never read.

What's "overused" and "uncreative" is the cliche of starting in the middle of the story and explaining who the protagonist is later. It's been done in so many comics that new writers (like Mike here, and countless others) use it without really thinking about it. Of course if you go outside the superhero comicbook world, you'll find it used a lot less often, so maybe you have a point. Or maybe it's just something weird about comics.

By the way, if you feel so strongly that fiction shouldn't start by explaining who the main character is and what's so special about him, you must find yourself walking out of a lot of movies, putting down a lot of novels (or never picking them up in the first place), and turning off the first episode of a lot of TV series.

mike sangiacomo
06-09-2003, 10:15 PM
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by drss:
<strong>Thats pretty unlikely. I dont like the way it has been edited. It lost the same feeling I got from it by having the origin coming first, and do it sequencially, systematically, and uncreatively in a tired, over-used manner.

I hope Nowhere Man turn out great.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">MIKE HERE:
You'll be happy to know that it does not start out with the origin. You'll see why in a future installment of "My Epic Journey."

mike sangiacomo
06-09-2003, 10:18 PM
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Aaron Weisbrod:
<strong>You go Mitchell! You go Mike! :)

The Goat has your back! :D

Proud to be a Goat, <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />
Aaron Weisbrod</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">San Giacomo here:
"The Goat has your back" I love that line.
Can I be an honorary Goat?
M

drss
06-10-2003, 01:37 AM
Todd, what I speak strongly about isnt Nowhere Man itself. But rather, it is how the editor messes with it.

I will take you word for whats being over used. But what the editor suggested was no better. And perhaps it is just me, but the way Mike originally done seems to fit this particular story more. The editor's reasoning was also inadaqute.

And I think it isnt actually "introducing the protagonist later", but rather, just the origin of the power.

Mike, its good to hear that Marvel didnt alter this. It sounds good overall just the way it is.

Todd VerBeek
06-10-2003, 07:33 AM
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by drss:
<strong>Todd, what I speak strongly about isnt Nowhere Man itself. But rather, it is how the editor messes with it.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">What I speak strongly about is the fact that you don't even know what you're complaining about. You haven't read the original script (just snippets here, perhaps). You haven't seen the results of the editor's suggestions. You're just whining about a process that - while it can sometimes "mess up" a book - can also turn an amateur script into a successful story. Most of the scripts submitted to Epic will need editing, and my concern as a reader (and as a submitter) is that not enough of them will get it.

Aaron Weisbrod
06-10-2003, 01:11 PM
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by mike sangiacomo:
<strong> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Aaron Weisbrod:
<strong>You go Mitchell! You go Mike! :)

The Goat has your back! :D

Proud to be a Goat, <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />
Aaron Weisbrod</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">San Giacomo here:
"The Goat has your back" I love that line.
Can I be an honorary Goat?
M</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Mike,

Well... I'll have to check with the almighty Golden Goat himself... but I'll certainly see what I can do! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />

After all, us journalists/comic book reviewers/writers from Ohio have to stick together! :D

Gimme a day or two and I'll have the official word! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />

Off to make a phonecall,
Aaron Weisbrod

Doug Smith
06-10-2003, 01:44 PM
Mike, thanks for the columns - they are very enlightening to all of us working on our Epic submissions!

I have two questions for you:

1. When Epic was announced, Bill Jemas went to great lengths to promote it as offering "creative freedom" (especially since they were NOT pushing "creator-ownership"). Has your experience been that you are indeed being given the freedom to tell your story the way you want, or do you feel you are being shoehorned into a "Nu Marvel" school of writing? Has Ms. Moore's input been more along the lines of making your work better, or making it "what Bill & Joe want"? I'm hoping the former....

2. I, myself, am working on a pitch for Dazzler that is described as "a satirical look at the current state of the entertainment industry, disguised as a superhero comic book". And of course I open with a big action sequence! Uh-oh....but, really, I am opening with that scene to try to bring in the spandex crowd (of which I am a proud member!), because opening with FCC rulings on media ownership, or the seven-year artists contract debate, would just cause people to tune out waaaaaaaayyyyy too fast. In those first six pages, I have Dazzler explain (through internal narrative, another thing I have learned is frowned upon) who she is, why she doesn't want to be a superhero, and why it really sucks that on her first day back in LA to try to revive her musical career, she gets caught up in a battle with the Blob. From there, we do go into the story itself, "starting at the beginning"...it's just that my actual story starts on page 7 of issue 1, since I felt I needed to give some background on who Alison Blaire is, and what motivates her.

Will this approach get me filed at the bottom of a pile of rejected pitches?

Thanks for any reply and tips, and thanks again for the column itself!

Doug Smith
06-10-2003, 01:48 PM
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">
Well... I'll have to check with the almighty Golden Goat himself... but I'll certainly see what I can do! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />

After all, us journalists/comic book reviewers/writers from Ohio have to stick together! :D

Gimme a day or two and I'll have the official word! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />

Off to make a phonecall,
Aaron Weisbrod[/QB]</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Ohio? Toledo, no less? Hey, I'm from Toledo! Graduated from Roy C. Start High School back in....uhhhh, never mind when!

So, I'm an aspiring comic writer, I've got a little column of my own over at toonzone.net (it's called Cup of Decaf, end plug!), and I'm a Buckeye by birth! Do I get to be a Goat too? :D

drss
06-10-2003, 05:13 PM
Todd, I understand what you mean. However, the reason and examples given by the editor leads me to believe otherwise.

Again, I am a casual reader, I dont have extensive knowledge of the industry and how things work. But I do know that editors making the wrong decisions and in doing so screwing up the book happens. Upon reflection, I am not so much angry at the supposed changes as I am their reasoning. You put it just fine, the changes may help make the script better, so changes should always be expected. But their reasoning behind the changes is what made it absurd.

Perhaps they just didnt want to sound like know-it-alls and say "We are professionals at Marvel, we know what we are doing, and this change WILL make it better. So take our word for it". But personally, I think that would make a hell of a lot more sense.

Todd VerBeek
06-10-2003, 09:39 PM
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by drss:
<strong>Again, I am a casual reader,</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">No, you're not. A casual reader doesn't care about what the editor did with the writer's script, or the process of deciding whether a flashback is a good idea or not... let alone threaten a personal boycott over it. A casual reader just cares whether the book entertains him.

mike sangiacomo
06-11-2003, 12:14 AM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Doug Smith:
[QB]Mike, thanks for the columns - they are very enlightening to all of us working on our Epic submissions!

I have two questions for you:

MIKE HERE.
Wish I had a definitive answer for you. Dazzler could be a cool character in the right hands. To be perfectly honest with you, there is freedom and then there is FREEDOM. It's been my experience that Marvel is being pretty loose on certain things, but tight on others.

Regarding the rejection of the action opening, I have now heard it from so many people at Marvel that I would not start my first book that way unless I really, really thought I was bringing something new to the table.

Keep in mind that 2 or 3 bleary-eyed people are reading literally thousands of scripts. If they can manage to stay away through most of them I'd be impressed.

I'd give 'em something really new and shocking in the first 5 pages to get their attention, like Dazzler in bed with Lockjaw or something equally bizarre. I don't think Marvel is big into soul-searching narratives, but I feel your pain (and see your point.)

I love the idea of tying Dazzler in to the FCC rulings on media ownership, even as a little subplot. Who needs the Mafia with ClearChannel around? Is anyone else scared shitless about a Clearchannel/Gannet merger?

Bottom line is that bleary-eyed editor. You have to write something exciting and unique to get her attention.
Good luck./
M

drss
06-11-2003, 05:04 AM
Todd, in that case you have shown that I dont fit your definition of a casual reader. Seeing that you have moved away from commenting on my opinions of the issue and onto something unrelated to the issue, I think it is a good place to stop, before flaming starts again.

I have made my views clear. And obviously you hold a different opinion regarding the subject. I just havent the same optimistic outlook towards the issue.

Doug Smith
06-11-2003, 12:43 PM
Thanks for the response Mike - much appreciated! I will have to put my faith in my pitch/cover letter to get them sold on the idea. Really, I would think that is more important than the strength of the 22-page script, no? Tell them in one page or less why they should go for your concept? Perceived problems with the script itself can be worked out (as I'm sure you can testify!) if the idea is one they want to publish.

AndroidShogun
06-11-2003, 01:37 PM
I really hope they go for your idea Doug because that comic sounds very entertaining, I've only ever read one comic book with dazzler in which was a Deadpool issue (can't remember the number, it was around #60 though) it was extremely funny and made me think the character was quite interesting - id really like to see what you do with her.

Ray Dillon
06-11-2003, 04:13 PM
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">San Giacomo here:
"The Goat has your back" I love that line.
Can I be an honorary Goat?
M</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">The Goat would be happy to have you aboard, Mike. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />

Thanks for the mention and kind words!! The book is looking excellent!! Love that cover, Mitch. You da man!

So, is that Jim Muniz's inks on that cover?

I'm familiar with his work from the Sam and Twitch cover contest. He beat me. :D VERY talented.

All the art is looking great. Very psyched to be a part about this! Having this article up is GREAT, by the way. Really helpful to other creators.

Doug Smith
06-11-2003, 04:33 PM
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by AndroidShogun:
<strong>I really hope they go for your idea Doug because that comic sounds very entertaining, I've only ever read one comic book with dazzler in which was a Deadpool issue (can't remember the number, it was around #60 though) it was extremely funny and made me think the character was quite interesting - id really like to see what you do with her.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Thanks Android Shogun! And if Marvel doesn't go for it, well, the story itself can be retooled into an original character concept.

TemporalFlux
06-12-2003, 05:45 AM
Use of internal monologues is not a death sentence (it wasn't even characterized that way at the panel)...and I have to admit I'm a bit perplexed why they are even seen as "a bit cliche" if used in moderation. The recent feature film Spider-man used internal monologues throughout and it has ended up one of the largest money making movies of all time. That doesn't even mention a wide berth of current popular comics that use them constantly.

If you're dealing with a character who has a substantial amount of backstory to try to cut through, you've pretty much *got* to use some internal dialogue. There just aren't many situations where you can sit your solo character down with someone and talk about it - though in the case of Dazzler you could easily turn it into a talk show situation using taped footage of a battle throughout.

nova64
06-12-2003, 01:48 PM
Just wanted to say good luck to Doug and everyone else who has submitted or plans to submit to Epic.

I sent in a script for a Nova mini-series last week.

Doug, the funny thing is; my name is also Doug Smith! I guess if we both get picked, I'll change my writing name to D.W. Smith or something.

Again, good luck to everybody.

Doug
<a href="http://www.novaprimepage.com" target="_blank">Nova Prime Page</a>

Doug Smith
06-12-2003, 06:19 PM
Thanks Nova64! That's really funny, but the good news is I am thinking of using a pen name anyway (if I even get to that point). Good luck to you too.

And thanks again to Mike for these articles - each column is worth a thousand questions & answers on most message boards.

(removes lips from Mike's butt...)

I also checked out Mitch's website, since there is a poster over at Joe Quesada's website who is a huge Black Widow fan - I've posted that image over at JQ.com and provided a link to Mitch's site; I agree, his work is very impressive!

Jun Kim
06-16-2003, 09:15 PM
Getting not selected for the project is one thing, but that comment about Texas... Ouch. :( :D

Thanks for mentioning my name, Mike.
I know you'll do an excellent job, Mitch.