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MattBrady
03-15-2003, 09:01 AM
<img src="http://www.newsarama.com/Other_Publishers/ACTOR.jpg" width="168" height="138" border="0" align="right">by Michael Sangiacomo

(all images by Armando Gil. As to why, keep reading...)

What happens when the phones stop ringing?

Like the film and music industry, today’s hot comic artist or writer is sometimes cast aside by the fickle public for the newest hot, young thing. Most often, the creators land on their feet in a new or related career. But sometimes they don’t. That’s where ACTOR comes in.

ACTOR (A Commitment To Our Roots) is a not-for-profit organization that helps comic book creators in times of need.

“The first order is to stop the bleeding,” explained ACTOR President and new top dog at Top Cow Comics, Jim McLauchlin. “In some cases that means giving enough money to turn the electricity back on, or buy food. We can’t provide a fortune, but we can help these folks get over the hump.”

Once that is done, the longer-term goals of ACTOR is to arrange a way for comic book freelancers (and that’s many of the creators) to buy inexpensive health care. Lastly, ACTOR wants to help with financial planning and advice.

<a href="http://www.newsarama.com/Other_Publishers/IRONMANGil.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://www.newsarama.com/Other_Publishers/IRONMANGil_t.jpg" width="200" height="326" border="0" alt="Iron Man by Armando Gil" align="left"></a> ACTOR started in 2000, the brainchild of McLauchlin (then with Wizard magazine) and CrossGeneration Comics founder, Mark Alessi. McLauchlin, a former sports writer, said that down-on-their-luck ballplayers had the Baseball Assistance Team to help out, but comic creators had nothing.

From those beginnings, leaders from big and small comic companies joined in to help make ACTOR a reality. The group was incorporated in February, 2001, and is slowly gathering funds mainly through donations and auctions of specially-created work. So far, they have financially helped 14 people to the tune of $46,000. They don’t divulge the names of the recipients without their consent.

“These are proud people and we respect that,” said McLauchlin. “We actually had a case of an artist and his wife in their 50s who could not make ends meet. They were living on a banana a day, literally. We used funds to help them get back on their feet.”

While some of the recipients of ACTOR’s largess have been veterans of the Golden Age of comics, McLauchlin is finding that most of the people who need help were working in the 1970s.

“The comic business has gotten a lot more human over the years,” said McLauchlin. “The pay is very good, more than the guys in the Golden Age would have imagined. But the industry was built on the backs of guys like Bill Finger.”

Finger was a workhorse at DC Comics in the Golden Age, ghost-drawing many of the Batman stories which were credited to Bob Kane. Many of the older artists have passed on. The creators who worked in the late 1960s and 1970s - who worked before comic companies improved their lot - are those that need help today.

<a href="http://www.newsarama.com/Other_Publishers/conanBATTLEGil.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://www.newsarama.com/Other_Publishers/conanBATTLEGil_t.jpg" width="200" height="308" border="0" alt="Conan by Armando Gil" align="right"></a> “Crossgen has tremendous benefits for its employees,” said McLauchlin. “Marvel and DC, as they compete over talent, will give health insurance and good pay. Things have gotten much better. We can’t forget the older guys who didn’t have it so good.”

Sadly, as in the case of famed Golden Age artist Gray Morrow, ACTOR was only able to help with funeral expenses.

“We had been working with Gray when he died,” said McLauchlin. “He had fallen on some hard times. He lost his job drawing the Tarzan newspaper strip the same week his wife, Pocho, lost her job at an insurance company.”

Two familiar names that needed a helping hand and didn’t mind talking about it were writer Bill Messner-Loebs and artist Armando Gil. Loebs and his wife got a financial boost, but more importantly, ACTOR opened some doors at comic companies to possibly get some work.

For Gil, they helped him get an 11-page job inking a Hulk story, “not the greatest thing in the world, but it gets his name out there.”

Gil, who drew King Conan, Micronauts, Lady Rawhide and many other titles beginning in the 1980s, was most recently involved in storyboarding the Courage The Cowardly Dog cartoon on Nickelodeon. He spent the last few years toiling in obscurity at the ill-fated Stan Lee Media company, which has since gone bankrupt amid allegations of criminal activity by some officers. Stan Lee, the founding father of Marvel Comics, was not involved in the nasty stuff.

“We were developing a mess of shows there,” Gil said. “I had my own character, a kid’s show where kids were creating their own world via virtual reality. The moral was that nothing was safe in cyber-space.”

<a href="http://www.newsarama.com/Other_Publishers/BATMANGil.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://www.newsarama.com/Other_Publishers/BATMANGil_t.jpg" width="200" height="301" border="0" alt="Batman by Armando Gil" align="left"></a>When Stan Lee Media went belly up, it wiped Gil and many others out. But Gil said his real trouble came when he left the Courage Dog job in New York to return to Cleveland to be closer to his daughters, ages 6 and 9.

“I didn’t get around to renewing my driver’s license, I got in trouble, got a DUI (driving under the influence of alcohol) and eventually had my car taken away,” he said.

Gil had the misfortune of breaking down in Rocky River, a hoity-toity Cleveland suburb. His girlfriend came to the rescue. She used her car to push Gil’s car toward a service station. Oh no, not in Rocky River you don’t. Police impounded the car and refused to release it until Gil paid off all his fines.

That’s when ACTOR stepped in and paid off the fines so Gil could get his car back. Gil was sleeping on a friend’s couch and doing odd jobs in the Cleveland area, ironically, some were house painting jobs. He could not work without a car and hadn’t saved enough to pay off the fines.

Gil, who started drawing at age 19 hanging around the Neal Adams studio, got his first professional work at DC in 1979 with Hawkman and House of Mystery. He did a little of everything for Marvel over the next decade: Howard the Duck magazine; some issues of Micronauts; Savage Sword of Conan covers and The ‘Nam.

“Every time I would start to do well, a woman would dump me and set me back,” Gil said.

His latest venture is drawing Force Majeure for writer Michael Tierney at Little Rocket Publications. He said he will draw 60 pages of the outer space series by the summer. Gil is still looking for regular comic work, he can be reached through ACTOR.

“ACTOR came along when I needed a hand,” Gil said. “You know the old saying, give a guy a fish and you feed him for a day, teach him to fish and he’ll feed himself. Well, I know how to fish - I just need someplace to drop my line.”

Michael Sangiacomo is a statewide news reporter for the Plain Dealer newspaper in Cleveland, Ohio. His syndicated "Journey Into Comics" weekly column on the state of the comic book business, can be found in newspapers and at the Newsarama website. His monthly comic book column appears the first Saturday of each month in the Plain Dealer Arts page and is syndicated through Newhouse Newspapers. He also writes a twice-monthly audiobooks review column covering crime thrillers and mysteries that can be seen at <a href="http://www.audiobookstoday.com" target="_blank">www.audiobookstoday.com</a>

jawaplumber
03-15-2003, 11:28 AM
It's very heart-warming to come across stories like this, of the comic book industry taking care of it's own. I'm happy to hear Armando Gil is back on his feet, he's a heck of a talent. Same goes for Bill Loebs, whose work on FLASH caught my eye and helped reintroduce me to DC Comics back when I was in high school. Thank God for ACTOR :)

Greg
03-15-2003, 11:53 AM
Great article this week. I feel the same way about Loebs but he gets my props from helping write the Maxx and also Impulse. Isn't "Courage" a Cartoon Network thing?

jawaplumber
03-15-2003, 11:57 AM
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Greg:
<strong>Great article this week. I feel the same way about Loebs but he gets my props from helping write the Maxx and also Impulse. Isn't "Courage" a Cartoon Network thing?</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Yeah, I forgot, I was gonna mention that, as well. Courage The Cowardly Dog is indeed a Cartoon Network show.

lil bad boy
03-15-2003, 01:27 PM
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by MattBrady:
<strong> Finger was a workhorse at DC Comics in the Golden Age, ghost-drawing many of the Batman stories which were credited to Bob Kane.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">That should read "ghost-writing." It should also mention that he co-created Batman, but was never given credit for it.

dogisred
03-15-2003, 09:34 PM
I've always admired Gil's work on the Conan stuff he did. I purchased a CONAN portfolio of his stuff, and even have one in my office (though some people would call it a closet). Loebs was a fantastic Flash/Impulse writer and someone should be giving the man some work...I can think of 5 titles at Marvel that could use some help...

It's nice to know that there are people out there trying to take care of the creators we've enjoyed in the past. Good luck, Bill and Armando!!!!

Hdefined
03-15-2003, 11:59 PM
I've usually only been able to associate McLauchlin's name with trash like Wizard and Top Cow, so it's nice to find out he was behind the whole ACTOR deal. I don't completely understand it's point, but at least it's helping others

Dave Farmer
03-16-2003, 02:10 AM
Damn, those are some fine pencils by Armondo Gil shown in the article. His style reminds me of Kubert Sr. with a mix of Bart Sears. I think some companies must get so preoccupied with finding that next hot talent that they overlook what's right under their noses. Anyone out there remember Pat Broderick? That guy drew the FURY OF FIRESTORM series when it began in the 80's, and he was the $hit; varied facial expressions, intricate backrounds, dynamic panel arrangement, everything. He was top notch. Haven't seen anything from him in years. I sincerely hope he's doing okay, wherever he is.

Dave Farmer
03-16-2003, 02:18 AM
By the way, those early FURY of FIRESTORM issues can be be found at most conventions for like 3 for $1. Bargain.

OMAR
03-16-2003, 03:21 AM
People have a right to live in a neighborhood without outsiders pushing cars down the street. Cars are meant to be driven. Pushing them around is a hazard and a pain in the ass. Also, blaming your work problems on the woman troubles in your personal life is tacky.

The Handout Patrol is out in full force as always. Crossgen's only good idea has been the Kool-Aid - Bill Jemas was right on the nose as always.

John Carter of Mars
03-16-2003, 05:36 AM
Wow- I was reading through the postings and in the back of my mind I was wondering,"When is some prick gonna bash these acts of human kindness?". Suprisingly, not too bloody long. OMAR is full of crap and obviously has never had the misfortune to suffer bad luck. I contemplated filling my post with some nasty ass barbs directed at this cold hearted specimen, but ya know, his pathetically immature statement speaks volumes.
As a longtime comic reader it warms my heart to know that there is an effort to give a little assistance to those in their hour of need. My thanks to those involved with ACTOR; offering a helping hand to those who contributed to the creation of our cherished medium is fine way to repay them for their efforts.

dogisred
03-16-2003, 09:49 AM
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Dave Farmer:
<strong>Damn, those are some fine pencils by Armondo Gil shown in the article. His style reminds me of Kubert Sr. with a mix of Bart Sears. I think some companies must get so preoccupied with finding that next hot talent that they overlook what's right under their noses. Anyone out there remember Pat Broderick? That guy drew the FURY OF FIRESTORM series when it began in the 80's, and he was the $hit; varied facial expressions, intricate backrounds, dynamic panel arrangement, everything. He was top notch. Haven't seen anything from him in years. I sincerely hope he's doing okay, wherever he is.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I love Broderick's work. One of my favorite runs of his was Captain Atom, which brings another former creator I haven't seen in a while...Cary Bates. Broderick did an admirable job on titles such as Micronauts (following Michael Golden) and Ragman. Bates is usually identified as the man that wrote Flash (Barry Allen) for years.

I do think there is a prediliction of editors to find "new" talent for comics and in doing so overlook talent that has worked for them in the past. It would be great to have the time to hang out at the offices of he major publishers, trying to get your name in there, but not everyone lives in New York and can't spend their time doing that--and we all know how little submitting work actually gets looked at.

Keep up the good work ACTOR.

jawaplumber
03-16-2003, 12:16 PM
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Hdefined:
<strong>I've usually only been able to associate McLauchlin's name with trash like Wizard and Top Cow, so it's nice to find out he was behind the whole ACTOR deal. I don't completely understand it's point, but at least it's helping others</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">In case you missed it, here ya go, as posted above by Mike:

"“The first order is to stop the bleeding,” explained ACTOR President and new top dog at Top Cow Comics, Jim McLauchlin. “In some cases that means giving enough money to turn the electricity back on, or buy food. We can’t provide a fortune, but we can help these folks get over the hump.”

Once that is done, the longer-term goals of ACTOR is to arrange a way for comic book freelancers (and that’s many of the creators) to buy inexpensive health care. Lastly, ACTOR wants to help with financial planning and advice."

gwangung
03-16-2003, 04:47 PM
Jeez. My respect for Alessi has gone up ANOTHER notch. Say what you will about him, but he certainly seems to have his head and heart in the right space.

TRaik
03-16-2003, 10:49 PM
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Dave Farmer:
<strong>Anyone out there remember Pat Broderick? That guy drew the FURY OF FIRESTORM series when it began in the 80's, and he was the $hit; varied facial expressions, intricate backrounds, dynamic panel arrangement, everything. He was top notch. Haven't seen anything from him in years. I sincerely hope he's doing okay, wherever he is.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">A while back, Pat Broderick responded to a "Where is he now?" question over at Bob Rozakis' Silver Bullet Comic Books column. It's still available <a href="http://www.silverbulletcomicbooks.com/bobro/103160806561537.htm" target="_blank">here</a>, but basically, Broderick reports that he's moved to Florida after working as a production designer on the Jimmy Neutron movie. He also mentions that he's doing advertising work, teaching, and has two comic book projects in the works, both unfinished at the time of the column (which was about six months ago, IIRC.)

Captain Jim
03-16-2003, 10:50 PM
Probably not too many of today's crowd have heard of Gray Morrow, but he was a terrific talent. I was actually introduced to his work through some of the old science-fiction digests, for which he did story illustrations. Beautiful stuff. I'm very sorry to hear that his life ended on such a sad note.

Dave Farmer
03-17-2003, 12:56 AM
qb][/QUOTE]A while back, Pat Broderick responded to a "Where is he now?" question over at Bob Rozakis' Silver Bullet Comic Books column. It's still available <a href="http://www.silverbulletcomicbooks.com/bobro/103160806561537.htm" target="_blank">here</a>, but basically, Broderick reports that he's moved to Florida after working as a production designer on the Jimmy Neutron movie. He also mentions that he's doing advertising work, teaching, and has two comic book projects in the works, both unfinished at the time of the column (which was about six months ago, IIRC.)[/QB][/QUOTE]

Wow,thanks for the info! It's great to hear that he has upcoming work.

Julio Diaz
03-17-2003, 01:04 AM
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by OMAR:
<strong>People have a right to live in a neighborhood without outsiders pushing cars down the street. Cars are meant to be driven. Pushing them around is a hazard and a pain in the ass. Also, blaming your work problems on the woman troubles in your personal life is tacky.

The Handout Patrol is out in full force as always. Crossgen's only good idea has been the Kool-Aid - Bill Jemas was right on the nose as always.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">But what do you really think, Mrs. Jemas?

But seriously, how can anyone look down their nose at ACTOR? The organization does nothing but good. Gil's tongue-in-cheek comments about woman troubles aside, bad things DO happen to good people (see William Messner-Loebs' story), and it's great that someone's looking out for these people.

Moreover, if the industry weren't so stuck on "bigger, newer, better," they might see that some older creators still have a lot to offer us.

The folks behind ACTOR deserve our praise and support. When mommy and daddy stop paying your bills, maybe you'll see what it's like in the real world. And I don't mean that show Judd Winick was on.

And I just knew some snot-nose would turn their positive work into an anti-CrossGen screed.

I know it's encouraging the troll to even respond to this, but really, how can anyone look negatively upon ACTOR?

eleven11
03-17-2003, 03:23 AM
omar is lame? what have you never been dumped before? fall on hard times? are you perfect? how???

anyway, good luck to gil & loebs & all other creators associated with ACTOR.

Bill_Nolan
03-17-2003, 10:22 AM
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Julio Diaz:
<strong>The folks behind ACTOR deserve our praise and support. When mommy and daddy stop paying your bills, maybe you'll see what it's like in the real world. And I don't mean that show Judd Winick was on.

And I just knew some snot-nose would turn their positive work into an anti-CrossGen screed.

I know it's encouraging the troll to even respond to this, but really, how can anyone look negatively upon ACTOR?</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I don't want to speak for OMAR, but I'll try to address the issues I have with ACTOR and why I wouldn't feel comfortable about donating money to them.

First off, I would gladly support an organization which raises money for former comic professionals who are elderly or disabled. However, I don't see the point of giving money to folks of working age who just can't get any more work in one specific field. What's up with that? They can't get work on Iron Man so they sit at home while the bills pile up? And I'm supposed to care? Get a different job. That's how it happens in your "real world." Do what you can to make ends meet. Work at McDonald's. Whatever. Support your own damn self. I'm supposed to care that some guy worked at an Internet start-up company that went bankrupt and then he later got busted for DUI? Sorry, but no.

Articles like this make it as hard to support ACTOR as it is to support the CBLDF when those guys are defending trademark violators.

Just my 2 cents.

- Bill

mike sangiacomo
03-17-2003, 06:53 PM
"I don't see the point of giving money to folks of working age who just can't get any more work in one specific field. What's up with that? They can't get work on Iron Man so they sit at home while the bills pile up? And I'm supposed to care? Get a different job. That's how it happens in your "real world." Do what you can to make ends meet. Work at McDonald's. Whatever. Support your own damn self."
- Bill[/QB][/QUOTE]
MIKE SANGIACOMO HERE:
Wow. Scary guy.

Bill_Nolan
03-17-2003, 07:05 PM
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by mike sangiacomo:
<strong>MIKE SANGIACOMO HERE:
Wow. Scary guy.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Booga Booga!

Sorry, but I just don't get the "my comic work has dried up so I'll just sit on my butt all day and let the bills overwhelm me" whine. I can't fathom how anybody with a family to support would do such a heinous thing.

Like I said before, disabled or elderly, I'm willing to help out. Able-bodied but unwilling to do whatever it takes to support yourself, good riddance. Drawing comics for a few years back in the 70s or 80s shouldn't qualify you for a lifetime of fan-provided welfare.

- Bill

mike sangiacomo
03-18-2003, 11:14 AM
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Bill_Nolan:
<strong> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by mike sangiacomo:
<strong>MIKE SANGIACOMO HERE:
Wow. Scary guy.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Booga Booga!

Sorry, but I just don't get the "my comic work has dried up so I'll just sit on my butt all day and let the bills overwhelm me" whine. I can't fathom how anybody with a family to support would do such a heinous thing.

Like I said before, disabled or elderly, I'm willing to help out. Able-bodied but unwilling to do whatever it takes to support yourself, good riddance. Drawing comics for a few years back in the 70s or 80s shouldn't qualify you for a lifetime of fan-provided welfare.

- Bill</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">MIKE SANGIACOMO HERE:
And I don't understand how you determined that Gil was anything but hard-working. Since the comic market dried up, the poor bastard has been painting houses, doing day labor jobs and anything else he can get his hands on. You are missing a main point of the story, that ACTOR was helping Gil do the kind of WORK he wants to do. The 11-page Hulk job was more helpful to Gil in terms of getting his name back out there than the money ACTOR kicked in so he could get his car back so he could keep working.
I don't know how old you are, but perhaps someday you'll see that sometimes people get overwhelmed and screw up. We shouldn't just toss them out with the trash, but help them to their feet. That's far from a life of comic book welfare.
I, for one, would like to see more barbarian artwork from Gil, it's nice stuff.

Dave Farmer
03-18-2003, 12:20 PM
This is a tough one for me; while I might rave about Armondo Gil's artwork, I do have a problem with an "able-bodied" adult getting certain types of help. I'd be ok with him getting a free drawing table or other supplies if his place burned down, or even a plane ticket to Comicon, or Wizard World to go pitch to Marvel, DC, Crossgen, etc., if it was verified that he had some kind of disability that prevented him from earning enough to do so. But choosing the wrong woman, or buying the wrong car don't sit easy with me as reasons to bail someone out. I do like the idea of helping him get assignments when he obviously has a great talent that isn't being used; however, the rest should be up to him to fix.

Bill_Nolan
03-18-2003, 02:39 PM
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by mike sangiacomo:
<strong>[QUOTE]MIKE SANGIACOMO HERE:
I don't know how old you are, but perhaps someday you'll see that sometimes people get overwhelmed and screw up. We shouldn't just toss them out with the trash, but help them to their feet. That's far from a life of comic book welfare.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">We shouldn't toss them out, but we should expect them to work as hard as they can to get back on their own feet.
As a father, I can appreciate that the guy left a job to be closer to his daughters. And I can appreciate he was attempting to work as best he could. But the only one to blame for him losing his car is himself. And the blaming-his-problems-on-women thing is quite tacky. He seems to be the type of guy who blames every problem or setback in his life on someone else. I read your story and instead of a sympathetic sad-sack, I saw a multi-time loser with a criminal record who got too much too soon and didn't have the maturity to maintain it. Good luck to him in the future and I hope he turns his life around, but he ain't deserving of any handouts in my book. If I were an editor and I read your story, I might even be a little hesitant to give him work, given his track record and his propensity to find blame in others for his own faults.

However, I actually have no problem with ACTOR existing and giving him unearned handouts. That's their prerogative. I just can't see personally supporting a group which doles out money to people who should be able to support themselves in some other way if necessary.

I would rather support an organization which raises money for elderly comic creators no longer able to earn a living because of diminished abilities.

- Bill (32, btw)

King
03-19-2003, 11:38 AM
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Bill_Nolan:
<strong> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by mike sangiacomo:
<strong>[QUOTE]MIKE SANGIACOMO HERE:
I don't know how old you are, but perhaps someday you'll see that sometimes people get overwhelmed and screw up. We shouldn't just toss them out with the trash, but help them to their feet. That's far from a life of comic book welfare.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">We shouldn't toss them out, but we should expect them to work as hard as they can to get back on their own feet.
As a father, I can appreciate that the guy left a job to be closer to his daughters. And I can appreciate he was attempting to work as best he could. But the only one to blame for him losing his car is himself. And the blaming-his-problems-on-women thing is quite tacky. He seems to be the type of guy who blames every problem or setback in his life on someone else. I read your story and instead of a sympathetic sad-sack, I saw a multi-time loser with a criminal record who got too much too soon and didn't have the maturity to maintain it. Good luck to him in the future and I hope he turns his life around, but he ain't deserving of any handouts in my book. If I were an editor and I read your story, I might even be a little hesitant to give him work, given his track record and his propensity to find blame in others for his own faults.

However, I actually have no problem with ACTOR existing and giving him unearned handouts. That's their prerogative. I just can't see personally supporting a group which doles out money to people who should be able to support themselves in some other way if necessary.

I would rather support an organization which raises money for elderly comic creators no longer able to earn a living because of diminished abilities.

- Bill (32, btw)</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Just out of curiosity, have you ever fallen on hard times? It's easy to say things having the comfort and advantages we happen to have now and having never been in the situation. It would be a lot easier for me to see where you're coming from if you have ever had your pockets empty with nowhere to turn.

mike sangiacomo
03-19-2003, 12:58 PM
][/QUOTE]Just out of curiosity, have you ever fallen on hard times? It's easy to say things having the comfort and advantages we happen to have now and having never been in the situation. It would be a lot easier for me to see where you're coming from if you have ever had your pockets empty with nowhere to turn.[/QB][/QUOTE]
MIKE SANGIACOMO HERE:
If you are talking to me, the answer is yes. In my youth I was fired from a newspaper over an issue too complicated to go into. I never planned for it, never expected it. I found myself a 30-year-old guy with a new wife and a mortgage scrabbling for work. It was the scariest three months of my life before I landed a great job, after having to work for anything I could get including (horrors) public relations.
AND, damn near all the work I found was through the help of friends and acquaintances. I didn't want a handout, I wanted to work. Which is all Armando is looking for.

It bothers me when guys like Nolan automatically assume that everyone is a lazy fuck-off who would rather watch Jerry Springer than work. Sometimes people need a hand.

Bill_Nolan
03-19-2003, 03:10 PM
Glad to hear you made it through your hardship. Of course, it's not like you left a good job to move to another part of the country and then suffered through self-caused legal entanglements. And it's great when family and friends help out, too. It's just odd when an organization like ACTOR makes big public noises about raising money for elderly Golden Age comic creators and then goes out of its way to pay the court fines of a relatively young and able-bodied guy. I'd rather save my charity budget for my needy family and friends if it's not going to the truly needy.

More power to ACTOR if that's what they want to do. But thank you, Mr. S., for exposing what is really going on, even if you did so unintentionally.

- Nolan

Bill_Nolan
03-19-2003, 03:22 PM
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by King:
<strong>[QUOTE]Just out of curiosity, have you ever fallen on hard times? It's easy to say things having the comfort and advantages we happen to have now and having never been in the situation. It would be a lot easier for me to see where you're coming from if you have ever had your pockets empty with nowhere to turn.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">To answer this specifically, no. But I know I have a network of family and friends willing to help out. While I work my ass off any which was I can to get through the hard times. And I wouldn't expect a group which very publicly claims to be raising money for one specific group to help me out if I didn't belong to that group.

I'm sure there are many people who donated money to ACTOR who are just finding out that their money wasn't going to pay the heating bills of elderly Golden Age comic creators, but rather to pay the criminal fines for a younger guy who voluntarily left a job and had trouble finding work in a different part of the country. Maybe this case will make them think twice about donating money to ACTOR in the future, now that they now that it's giving out what are essentially art grants to former comic professionals of employable age.

Nobody is owed a job, especially in an entertainment field like comic books. Helping these people out financially so they can afford to live while seeking new comic book assignments would only delays the inevitible in most cases. I hope most former comic book professionals realize there are other employment opportunities and careers out there.

Whatever. This topic has now reached page 2 and is way down the low on the front page. That means it's basically dead. No use arguing amongst ourselves, no matter how much some of us like the sounds of our own voices.

- Nolan