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MattBrady
10-29-2002, 02:29 PM
<a href="http://www.newsarama.com/DC/BMGSGCv1.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://www.newsarama.com/DC/BMGSGCv1_t.jpg" width="175" height="255" alt="Golden Streets of Gotham cover" border="0" align="right"></a>If you take away Bruce Wayne’s wealth, would you still have a hero? Oh, still kill his parents, but without the wealth, would you ultimately produce Batman? Are you sure? The question was one that Jen Van Meter found herself chewing on, and her answer can be found in January’s Elseworlds one-shot from DC, Batman: The Golden Streets of Gotham, which recasts Bruce Wayne as Bruno Vanekow, the son of immigrants living in early 1900’s Gotham City.

As DC’s solicitation copy for the one-shot explains, Bruno takes up the mantle of The Bat after his parents are killed in a garment factory fire. But the end result isn’t something as simple as transplanting Bruce Wayne into the early 20th century.

Backtracking a little, long-time Newsarama reader may remember originally hearing about the project a little under four years ago, back when Van Meter had just received approval for the project.

“I wrote the proposal over four years ago,” Van Meter said. “Denny [O’Neill] was still at DC, and he and Jordan Gorfinkle were in touch with our household a lot, because Greg [Rucka] was working on “No Man’s Land.” They had seen my Buffy story and the Flinch story, and had asked me to send proposals.

“At the time, I was working on my dissertation, and was soaked in all this immigrant literature that I was working on for the degree. I was really, really attached to the proposal, but didn’t think that they would take it, because they’d probably think that it was a depressing story, because it was something with immigrants and labor unions, and stuff like that. So when I didn’t hear from them on it for a really long time, I figured it was what I should’ve expected. One day, out of the blue, six months later, Denny called me and said that everyone in editorial was happy with the proposal, and they were ready to go. At first, I couldn’t even remember which proposal he was talking about.”

O’Neill worked with Van Meter to polish the script for the book, her first long-form comic after writing a few 8 page stories, and it was sent off to DC, only to fall under her radar again. Around six months after turning the script in, Van Meter heard that Tommy Lee Edwards was attached as an artist.

<a href="http://www.newsarama.com/DC/GOLDENSTS1_01.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://www.newsarama.com/DC/GOLDENSTS1_01_t.jpg" width="165" height="251" alt="page 1" border="0" align="left"></a> “Tommy was really excited about it, and did a good chunk of the design work and some pages, and then there were some conflicts and other obligations that came up for him, and we weren’t sure what was going to happen with it,” Van Meter recalled. “The next thing I heard came after Bob Schreck had taken over was that Tommy wasn’t going to be able to finish it, and they had found Cliff Chiang to finish the book. Looking at it now, I can’t image the book having been finished any other way. I can’t imagine any other artist coming in with what Tommy had started, and finishing it in such a phenomenal way. It’s just beautiful to look at.”

In broad strokes, the story seeks to explore a question Van Meter had: “If you have the same essential internal character as Bruce Wayne, and have the same things happen to you, but are destitute, what happens to you? How do you become Batman without the wealth or if you do become Batman, how are you different?”

Originally considering, but later rejecting a contemporary setting, Van Meter chose the immigrant community of the early 1900s as the best temporal location for telling her story, again, due to her familiarity with the time period. The overcrowded urban environment of the early 20th century provided an ideal location to explore her ideas – after all, if your parents die when you’re seven, and you’re destitute, the chances of you surviving, let along becoming the Caped Crusader are very low.

<a href="http://www.newsarama.com/DC/GOLDENSTS1_05.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://www.newsarama.com/DC/GOLDENSTS1_05_t.jpg" alt="page 5" width="165" height="251" border="0" align="right"></a>It was that fact that led to Van Meter adjusting a little of the Batman canon for her Elseworlds story. “Once I decided that the death of ‘Bruce’s’ parents would be a poor person’s death at a time when it was really common to die that way – to a kid, the sad part of that is that to little Bruce Wayne in 1910, if his parents die in a factory fire, he accepts it, and that’s the end of the story.

“But an adult Bruce Wayne can say that’s wrong. So one of the things that had to be changed in the story is that his parents die much later in his life, so that his response has less to do with his own survival, and more to do with a reflection on what has actually happened.”

Another reason the chance to an older “Bruce” i.e. Bruno had to be made was that if the young Bruno was destitute when his parents died, there would be no Alfred looking after him, and making sure every need was taken care of. That part of Bruce Wayne’s condition, according to Van Meter, was crucial for the later emergence of Batman.

“With the traditional Bruce Wayne, part of what wealth gets him is the security and time to reflect, be lonely, and decide he must do something,” Van Meter said. “That kind of guilt and introspection isn’t something that a poor child would have access to, because their next thought would have been, ‘Who’s going to feed me?’

<a href="http://www.newsarama.com/DC/GOLDENSTS1_20.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://www.newsarama.com/DC/GOLDENSTS1_20_t.jpg" alt="page 20" width="165" height="251" border="0" align="left"></a> “That’s not to be me making the traditional character sound like a jerk – he’s always affected me profoundly. One of the reasons that I wanted to write this was to say here’s a story about this same guy, with the exterior stuff stripped away, and he has to still be this same guy in the end. He has to do the same things. There’s something heroic in him that comes before all of the wealth and resources, or there would be nothing. So, by stripping them away, you would find a person who would still find his way into the same position, that is, Batman, or in this story, ‘The Bat.’. Simply put, Bruno is Bruce, if he lived in another time, and had no money, and didn’t speak English well, and all these other things. At his core, he’s the same person.”

According to Van Meter, the story is framed by a contemporary interview with a 99 year-old, recounting the events of the time in old Gotham. As the story unfolds, Bruno, who was out west trying to make his fortune, returns to the city to learn that his parents are long dead, victims of a factory fire that’s still considered an unsolved crime by the immigrant community, whereas the establishment has closed the case.

<a href="http://www.newsarama.com/DC/GOLDENSTS1_21.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://www.newsarama.com/DC/GOLDENSTS1_21_t.jpg" alt="page 21 " width="165" height="176" border="0" align="right"></a> “Bruno starts looking into the fire, and develops a rapport with people that he meets,” Van Meter said. “As a result, Bruno is a little more Robin Hood than the vigilante the modern Batman is. Where Bruce exists to make sure no one suffers the loss he did, and sometimes has to go outside of the law to make sure of it, Bruno wants to make sure that the people who allowed this to happen to his parents never do it again. As such, he tries to dismantle the things that the sweatshop owners, use to keep going.”

As with most Elseworlds, Golden Streets of Gotham has a few other familiar faces in it as well. “There is a woman named Selina Kyle, and a woman named Barbara Gordon in the story, as well as a cop named James Gordon and a man named Jack Smart.

<a href="http://www.newsarama.com/DC/GOLDENSTS1_48.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://www.newsarama.com/DC/GOLDENSTS1_48_t.jpg" alt="page 48" width="200" height="164" border="0" align="left"></a> “For people who know Batman, it’s taking that setting, and trying to figure out where these character types would fall. Gordon comes the closest to being in the same spot, because he’s a cop. Essentially, for someone who had never read Batman before, it’s a turn of the 20th century thriller set in the intersection of the Bauhaus theater movement, the labor union movement and the immigrant community.”

“All in all, it’s a fun exploration of who the core Bat-characters are, and what is attractive about the, regardless of the kind of the story they’re in,” Van Meter continued. “That’s the cool thing about Elseworlds, because you get to play around with these great characters that are compelling even when they’re not in costume, or even themselves.”

John Jakala
10-29-2002, 04:33 PM
I'm not much of a fan of the Elseworlds books (the concept's fine, but DC has overused it far too much), but the concept & creative team for this book have convinced me to preorder it. Only question I have is: What's the format? Aren't Batman Elseworlds books usually prestige format books? But on <a href="http://comics.toonzone.net/solicitations/2003-01/" target="_blank">ToonZone's site</a>, the solicitation copy just says they it's a "64-page Elseworlds one-shot...with a cover price of $6.95 U.S." Does anyone know for sure what this book's format is?

Peter of Smeg
10-29-2002, 05:05 PM
Getting bored of the Elseworlds books. Bring on something different.

PopCultureKid
10-29-2002, 05:35 PM
Yeah have to agree. These Elseworlds specials, even when well done (Generations, Gotham By Gaslight) still seem to lack something.

<a href="http://www.popculturekid.com" target="_blank">Pop Culture Kid</a>

MattBrady
10-29-2002, 06:05 PM
[quote]Originally posted by PopCultureKid:
<strong>Yeah have to agree. These Elseworlds specials, even when well done (Generations, Gotham By Gaslight) still seem to lack something.

<a href="http://www.popculturekid.com" target="_blank">Pop Culture Kid</a></strong><hr></blockquote>

I think it probably has to do with, no offense meant, the perceptions people bring to the Elseworlds stories, primarily, the feeling of "this doesn't matter" you can have while you're reading it. Coming to it with the sense of reading a novel would probably be a little better.

Of course, this one aside, there have been a few watered-down Elseworlds - I don't think anyone would argue that.

MattB

Captain Temerity
10-29-2002, 06:17 PM
I dunno' about Elseworlds. There was one a couple years back with Batgirl and Supergirl called "Worlds Finest" that really stood out. But most of them are garbage.

If you're doing something that requires it to be out of continuity, really go all out with it. And, for god's sake, make sure it's interesting to people. Do people who like Batman want to see Batman as a Robin Hood type character? Are the two stories even remotely alike?

DC had something called "Elseworlds: Real Worlds" going at one point. I was more interested in that than the twenty-odd versions of the JLA they do a year.

grendel x
10-29-2002, 06:52 PM
About the only thing they haven't done in these yet is have all of the family die including bruce and have alfred become a vigilante to avenge the deaths of the family he spent his life working for. I can see it now "Batman.. The Dark Butler Returns.." I might be interested in that. This though seems like more of the same...

rtvu2
10-29-2002, 07:04 PM
The art looks great. Good team behind the story. I'll give this Elseworlds a chance.

Nic
10-29-2002, 07:48 PM
Most people seem to think these elseworld series kinda suck.. I agree..Why dont DC just put the money into creator owned projects avoiding the DC universe or alternate DC universe altogether or do stories on minor characters not normaly focused on in DCU - like Marvel do with Tangled Web..

Danilo Raul
10-29-2002, 09:28 PM
[quote]Originally posted by grendel x:
<strong>About the only thing they haven't done in these yet is have all of the family die including bruce and have alfred become a vigilante to avenge the deaths of the family he spent his life working for. I can see it now "Batman.. The Dark Butler Returns.." I might be interested in that. This though seems like more of the same...</strong><hr></blockquote>


Brilliant!!!
:D

Divinus
10-29-2002, 10:00 PM
It's intriguing, if only based on art alone...

paulski
10-31-2002, 03:13 AM
[quote]Originally posted by John Jakala:
<strong>What's the format? Aren't Batman Elseworlds books usually prestige format books? But on <a href="http://comics.toonzone.net/solicitations/2003-01/" target="_blank">ToonZone's site</a>, the solicitation copy just says they it's a "64-page Elseworlds one-shot...with a cover price of $6.95 U.S." Does anyone know for sure what this book's format is?</strong><hr></blockquote>

I haven't heard any more info than you have, but if it's 64 pages and $6.95, then it would certainly be a prestige format book.

John Jakala
10-31-2002, 02:15 PM
[quote]Originally posted by paulski:
<strong>I haven't heard any more info than you have, but if it's 64 pages and $6.95, then it would certainly be a prestige format book.</strong><hr></blockquote>
That was my assumption as well - just wanted to confirm it. Checking DC's site, <a href="http://www.dccomics.com/directcurrents/comics/jan_03/jan_03display.html?index=1" target="_blank">their info on the book</a> does list it as "A Prestige one-shot" but they then confuse the matter by listing this info at the bottom:

BATMAN ELSEWORLDS | 32pg. | Color | 1 OF 9 | $2.95

Goyo
11-04-2002, 11:46 AM
Hi, this is my first post here...

Speaking in general, I like the concept about the "elseworlds" stories. Sometimes I feel that years and years of cronology limit in some way some writers, there are a lot of limits the writers can't go further because there's a lot of things that happened before which wouldn't lead things this or that way, and sometimes they are dealing with icons such as Superman and Batman and you just can't do whatever you want with those characters.

So, the idea of releasing a writer of the weight of decades of cronology sounds good for me.

But I also have to agree that DC has been overdoing elseworlds in the last few years, and a good idea is being repeated too often, so you have all those lame elseworlds specials that are only there because they need to put something out with an elseworld stamp on it.

As for this specific title, the plot sounds good to me, though I would really like to see a poor child Bruce struggling for survival... what kind of character could comeout of it? The author says it would be almost impossible for a kid to survive in those conditions, but hey, we're talking about Batman here!

And talking about the art, I found the uniform pretty goofy, for the cover art we can see. I don't suppose someone dressed *that* way would cause fear into others...

Elayne Riggs
11-04-2002, 01:09 PM
[quote]Originally posted by Goyo:
<strong>So, the idea of releasing a writer of the weight of decades of cronology sounds good for me.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Me too, because there are a number of wonderful storytellers that prefer not to be burdened by that kind of chronology and continuity, and I'm all in favor of whatever results in well-told stories.

- Elayne