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MattBrady
02-15-2005, 04:02 PM
<a href="http://www.newsarama.com/Dynamite/Sonja/RS0pg12.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://www.newsarama.com/Dynamite/Sonja/RS0pg12_t.jpg" width="175" height="269" border="0" align="right"></a>So - we've already covered the words coming from the mouth (http://www.newsarama.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=27064) of Red Sonja by talking to the upcoming series two writers, Mike Carey and Mike Avon Oeming. But what about the look of the flame-haired warrior, the only woman that Conan would ever dare call "equal?"

We caught up with <b>Red Sonja</b> penciller Mel Rubi for a chat.

<b>Newsarama</b>: First off, how did you land the gig in the first place? Did Dynamite just up and call you out of the blue and offer it, did you have to try out...what?

<b>Mel Rubi</b>: I can't say for certain, but I believe I was picked to pencil <b>Red Sonja</b> because Dynamite had seen my work on the <b>Witchblade/Predator</b> mini-series.

<a href="http://www.newsarama.com/Dynamite/Sonja/RS0pg1.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://www.newsarama.com/Dynamite/Sonja/RS0pg1_t.jpg" width="165" height="254" border="0" align="left"></a><b>NRAMA</b>: Probably for more than a few people who read the news about the new <b>Red Sonja</b> series weren't altogether familiar with you and your previous work. Putting a blunt edge on it, you're not a newcomer to these parts, are you?

<b>MR</b>: No, I'm not a newcomer, but I am new with Dynamite. Let's see. My first work was with Marvel and Valiant back in 1993. After doing two books in one month as a rookieI became sleepless. I made a choice of dropping Valiant, since they made so many changes in my art. An artist can't grow that way if you can't see the mistakes in the book. A couple of years later I moved on to Image. I did many fill-ins for <b>Backlash</b>. Jim Lee wanted to show me a few pointers before taking on <b>Grifter</b>, so I moved to San Diego.

Not too long after that I went back home to Sacramento to work on a few X-men titles. After that came <b>Predator vs. Aliens</b> from Dark Horse. And more Predator titles. And more, until <b>Angel</b> and <b>KISS</b>. Then I thought why not do a creator owned project, so that's when Mike Baron and I came up with <b>Faro Korbit</b> from AP Comics. It wasn't a huge hit, but it was fun working on it. I also helped him develop a new title called <b>Detonator</b>. Then came Dynamite.

<b>NRAMA</b>: Why Dynamite? Why not keep throwing your hat into the ring with DC or Marvel?

<b>MR</b>: I like the fact that they believed in my way of drawing. To tell you the truth I wasn't looking for work from them, but because I've been dying to work on a fantasy book, they just happened to call me at the right time. DC and Marvel will always be there. I'm in no rush.

<a href="http://www.newsarama.com/Dynamite/Sonja/RS0pg3.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://www.newsarama.com/Dynamite/Sonja/RS0pg3_t.jpg" width="165" height="254" border="0" align="left"></a><b>NRAMA</b>: So you knew of the character before this?

<b>MR</b>: Oh yeah - I love John Buscema's Red Sonja in the Conan saga.

<b>NRAMA</b>: Once you landed the gig, was there any mandate on how Dynamite wanted to see the character, or were you pretty much left on your own to come up with an acceptable style and look?

<b>MR</b>: In the beginning, I did create my version of Red Sonja with a totally cool style, but the licensor wanted the original costume with the chain links. Maybe they'll let me use my new design of Sonja later, but I actually came to like the old school look.

<b>NRAMA</b>: How would you describe the style you settled on? Looking at it, you can see some Buscema in there, as well as some Thorne too. Were you trying to include their styles?

<b>MR</b>: Actually, I was trying to go for Frazetta - with Buscema touches. You see, this is the problem we artists get in - we strive to do our best to be better than what the other guy did and so you look at their art for so long that you end up with something similar. I've learned so much from Buscema and I really would not mind ranking beside the man.

<b>NRAMA</b>: That said, how long did it take before Sonja was "yours?" That is, how long did it take until you were fully comfortable drawing her without loads of reference and re-drawing?

<b>MR</b>: It took me 15 interior pages. It felt more like 30 after fixing it over and over, but I'm glad to do it. After reviewing the comments from the fan, all I wanted to do was to give them what they want to see. If they're happy, I'm cool.

<b>NRAMA</b>: For you, what has to come out in Sonja appearance-wise? That is, ideally, you want people to look at her and think, "Man, she's _________."

<a href="http://www.newsarama.com/Dynamite/Sonja/RS0pg4.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://www.newsarama.com/Dynamite/Sonja/RS0pg4_t.jpg" width="165" height="254" border="0" align="right"></a><b>MR</b>: A blue diamond! As rare and dazzling as she is, it would be worth dying to win her heart. Just for laughs, I'd like to see her become a housewife.

<b>NRAMA</b>: The Mikes have already explained how they're striving to keep the book out of the realm of T&A, but how do you handle that? Obviously, Sonja is attractive, and wears little. How do you keep her looking fierce and strong, rather than model-esque, for lack of a better word?

<b>MR</b>: You can't really hide the beauty of this gorgeous babe, but with two excellent writers on the book you'll be able to over look at the T&A. Many silhouettes and a cape will do the job.

<b>NRAMA</b>: Sonja's world - as with Sonja, what has to come across in it? Hospitable? A place you'd not like to visit?

<b>MR</b>: Exactly. That last one. If I've done my job, Red Sonja's world will be a place that she is perfectly at home in, but at the same time, it's a place you'd would not like to visit.

<b>NRAMA</b>: So far, how has working with the Mikes been? Are they giving you enough to chew on, artistically?

<b>MR</b>: It's great to work with not only one writer. You get both worlds and ideas that develop into one great story. I love the scenes they provide me. It's a challenge which enables me to contribute. In addition Mike Oeming sent me a few book references for more motivation and I'm grateful for that. Thanks Mike!

<b>NRAMA</b>: Wrapping up, how long are you looking to stick around with the series?

<b>MR</b>: I have a year contract to finish. We'll see what happens from there.

<i>Red Sonja #0 ships in April with a $0.25 cover price.</i>

Pyromaniac975
02-15-2005, 04:41 PM
This is going to be awesome!!!! Must...have...soon!

Son of Satan
02-15-2005, 04:43 PM
Maybe it's something Mel would like fans to forget, but I remember his early work at Marvel, on David Quinn's DOCTOR STRANGE, and I can't tell you how much I enjoyed it. Maybe the Heroic Age colors back in the day saved it, I don't know...all I can say is I'm REALLY looking forward to picking up his RED SONJA.

Long live the She-Devil With a Sword (TM)!!! :)

~Gary

Vyper
02-15-2005, 05:29 PM
I've liked Mel's work since an issue of X-Men Unlimited he did years ago, and he really looks to have improved by leaps and bounds. Plus, how can I say no to a fantasy book?

Alfonso
02-15-2005, 05:45 PM
I remember Rubi's art on a few X-Factor issues during the 90's. It was incredibly Liefeld clone-ish, though not necessarily that bad. I sort of wished he had a more distinct style at the same.

I'll try out the 25 cent Red Sonja book with hopes that he's improved as an artist.

Bakema NL
02-15-2005, 06:01 PM
Originally posted by Alfonso
I remember Rubi's art on a few X-Factor issues during the 90's. It was incredibly Liefeld clone-ish, though not necessarily that bad. I sort of wished he had a more distinct style at the same.

I'll try out the 25 cent Red Sonja book with hopes that he's improved as an artist.

Can't you tell already just by looking at these preview pages?
The fact Red Sonja gets her own title again is enough good news already. And complimented with this artwork is even better. Now the stories hopefully deliver and I'm a happy Bakema............I'm in on this.

Roguestorm
02-15-2005, 06:17 PM
agreed. the previews alone should show that this artist is clearly amazing and no longer a liefield clone.

nausicaa
02-15-2005, 06:50 PM
Anyone know who the colorist is? Reminds me a lot of Isanove's stuff in 1602 and Origin...

thepinkfink
02-15-2005, 08:12 PM
Mel's art on Detonator was really cool. Signed up for Red Sonja as soon as I saw it was coming and am really looking forward to it. Have to wait till June for the series proper to begin - seems like a long way away- but sure it will be worth it.

Alfonso
02-15-2005, 08:42 PM
Originally posted by Bakema NL
Can't you tell already just by looking at these preview pages?


If it's a book I anticipate picking up, I usually avoid the preview pages.

MattBrady
02-15-2005, 09:02 PM
Originally posted by nausicaa
Anyone know who the colorist is? Reminds me a lot of Isanove's stuff in 1602 and Origin... It is Isanove with Caesar Rodriguez.

Good eye.

MattB

Qwerty
02-15-2005, 09:07 PM
In all honesty, I'd prefer to see this in the hands of Busiek on Dark Horse.

While not bad at all, it looks a lá Image\Witchblade\T&A kinda stuff, the classic, fantasy, painting-like Conan at dark Horse has seems alot more appropriate for the genre, and classy:

<b>MR</b>: In the beginning, I did create my version of Red Sonja with a totally cool style, but the licensor wanted the original costume with the chain links. Maybe they'll let me use my new design of Sonja later, but I actually came to like the old school look.[/B]

Well, my point exactly.

I really don't understand why every Joe in town nowadays has to rape characters to make them «cool» when they already are. If artists don't like an existing characters' look, maybe they should just create their own -- And of course, watch it crash and burn.

I can understand why artists who can't create anything want to outfit characters others created and took to fame - today's examples are numerous - but why must they rape everything they touch is beyond me.

Anyway, thank Odin they demanded the old look, and hopefully they'll never allow it to change. Because if it does, instead of having a nicely done 80's clone, that while not extremely exciting does quench the thirst of nostalgia, we'll just end up with another T&A female redone by what's-his-name and soon to be left in the trashbin of Leather&Titties forgetability.

This 90's, 00's triumph of appearence vs substance is so widespread it's made anything of quality extremely hard to find. No wonder sales are at an all time low, so is quality.

Eddie Young
02-15-2005, 09:12 PM
I'll read it but I'm still not over her "doing" Flava Flav.

Nebula
02-15-2005, 10:29 PM
Ok, I hate Fantasy comics and that genre in general. I made an exception with Conan. Red Sonya will be another, it looks great!

Vyper
02-15-2005, 10:53 PM
Originally posted by Qwerty
In all honesty, I'd prefer to see this in the hands of Busiek on Dark Horse.

While not bad at all, it looks a lá Image\Witchblade\T&A kinda stuff, the classic, fantasy, painting-like Conan at dark Horse has seems alot more appropriate for the genre, and classy:



Well, my point exactly.

I really don't understand why every Joe in town nowadays has to rape characters to make them «cool» when they already are. If artists don't like an existing characters' look, maybe they should just create their own -- And of course, watch it crash and burn.

I can understand why artists who can't create anything want to outfit characters others created and took to fame - today's examples are numerous - but why must they rape everything they touch is beyond me.

Anyway, thank Odin they demanded the old look, and hopefully they'll never allow it to change. Because if it does, instead of having a nicely done 80's clone, that while not extremely exciting does quench the thirst of nostalgia, we'll just end up with another T&A female redone by what's-his-name and soon to be left in the trashbin of Leather&Titties forgetability.

This 90's, 00's triumph of appearence vs substance is so widespread it's made anything of quality extremely hard to find. No wonder sales are at an all time low, so is quality.
What in God's name are you talking about? Are you even reading the same article? How's an artist coming up with a new design for an existing character constitute rape? Batman went through redesigns, as did Wonder Woman, Captain America, Green Lantern, and just about every other character. Has artistic rape been going on all this time?

I can understand why artists who can't create anything want to outfit characters others created and took to fame - today's examples are numerous - but why must they rape everything they touch is beyond me.

Are you even on the same topic as this thread?

noir
02-15-2005, 11:01 PM
he seems to draw very well

samnoir
02-15-2005, 11:45 PM
Originally posted by MattBrady

We caught up with <b>Red Sonja</b> penciller Mel Rubi for a chat.

<b>NRAMA</b>: The Mikes have already explained how they're striving to keep the book out of the realm of T&A, but how do you handle that? Obviously, Sonja is attractive, and wears little. How do you keep her looking fierce and strong, rather than model-esque, for lack of a better word?

<b>MR</b>: You can't really hide the beauty of this gorgeous babe, but with two excellent writers on the book you'll be able to over look at the T&A. Many silhouettes and a cape will do the job.



http://www.newsarama.com/Dynamite/Sonja/RS0pg1.jpg

LOL! With an opening shot like that, they have got to strive a bit harder eh?

Red Sonja, along with books like Vampirella and Witchblade has always been most appealing to it's target audience as cheese-cake whether they like to admit it or not. The T & A is built into the book, hopefully good writing can add to the overall experience. Embrace it and subvert it, rather than deny it!

The female creative team of the eighties attempted something different, but given the fact that she's back in the chainmail bikini speaks for itself.

http://image.milehighcomics.com/istore/images/fullsize/68061802726.6.GIF

They should run a varient cover with Sonja in a comfortable pair of pants and chainmail granny undies.

I loved Cerebus' comment to Red Sophia after she removed her chainmail bikini for his perusal.

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Strike
02-16-2005, 01:55 AM
Originally posted by samnoir
[B]Red Sonja, along with books like Vampirella and Witchblade has always been most appealing to it's target audience as cheese-cake whether they like to admit it or not. The T & A is built into the book, hopefully good writing can add to the overall experience. Embrace it and subvert it, rather than deny it!

I so agree. I have been saying this for ages.

T&A is nothing to be ashamed of. It is a viable genre, same as any other, and NOTHING pisses me off more than a creator making a T&A comic, then frantically trying to deny it.

Arsenal3
02-16-2005, 03:02 AM
As a huge KISS fan, I picked up every issue of every comic, until the recent series that Rubi drew. I couldn't STAND it. It was TERRIBLE.

Now, I see this. WOW! It is absolutely INCREDIBLE how much he's improved as an artist over a relatively short period of time.

It kind of reminds me of Darick Robertson. My first introduction to him was during the JLI "General Glory/Fat Blue Beetle" era. The art was almost as shitty as the writing. I HATED his work.

Years later, something clicked, and he became one of the best in the business. Compare his New Warriors (a book I dropped because of him) with Transmetropolitan. A HUGE difference. Robertson went from a guy who's art caused me to drop books, to one of the best in the business.

I'd like to wish Rubi the same success! This stuff looks exceptional! He's really taken it to the next level!

Bakema NL
02-16-2005, 09:46 AM
Originally posted by samnoir
http://www.newsarama.com/Dynamite/Sonja/RS0pg1.jpg

LOL! With an opening shot like that, they have got to strive a bit harder eh?

Red Sonja, along with books like Vampirella and Witchblade has always been most appealing to it's target audience as cheese-cake whether they like to admit it or not. The T & A is built into the book, hopefully good writing can add to the overall experience. Embrace it and subvert it, rather than deny it!

The female creative team of the eighties attempted something different, but given the fact that she's back in the chainmail bikini speaks for itself.

http://image.milehighcomics.com/istore/images/fullsize/68061802726.6.GIF

They should run a varient cover with Sonja in a comfortable pair of pants and chainmail granny undies.

I loved Cerebus' comment to Red Sophia after she removed her chainmail bikini for his perusal.

________________________________________ __

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Arsenal3......I really liked Darick Robertson on New Warriors. :)

And did Sonja become a time traveler or something? She looks like a science fiction character and I really thought this was supposed to be sword & sorcery, in an age long, long ago, not far, far away..................anyway, it looks stupid. The clothing, or lack thereof, is a weapon in itself. In a fight the guys will look more to her body than pay attention to her sword, it gives her an advantage................so yes, T & A do work.

Timber
02-16-2005, 10:26 AM
I believe it was Mel Rubi that completely ruined Backlash for me.

This while not being my cup of tea doesn't look half bad.

Reaper
02-16-2005, 11:09 AM
Originally posted by MattBrady

MR: In the beginning, I did create my version of Red Sonja with a totally cool style, but the licensor wanted the original costume with the chain links. Maybe they'll let me use my new design of Sonja later, but I actually came to like the old school look.
I am so glad that this comic will feature Sonja in her chain mail bikini. I know that it is not practical as warrior attire but this is the iconic look of the character that I fondly remember from Frank Thorne’s work in Marvel Feature, as well as the first Marvel Red Sonja series (back in the mid to late 70's). Man, that was great stuff!

For arguments sake, I can think of a couple of reasons why the character might dress this way: for one, to taunt men as if to say, “Come on, try your luck.” And secondly, to distract men during fights (it’d be hard to focus on killing her when she flashes some nipple or a little fiery bush). :D

Thin I know but it’s something anyway…

Anyhow, Mr. Rubi’s art looks great here. I really look forward to this series.

-Tim

Crusader
02-16-2005, 12:49 PM
Sonja's chainmail bikini is such a classic, iconic look. I wouldn't buy a Red Sonja series if they messed with such a classic image. Long live the bikini!

idkidd
02-16-2005, 01:52 PM
As a huge KISS fan, I picked up every issue of every comic, until the recent series that Rubi drew. I couldn't STAND it. It was TERRIBLE.

Now, I see this. WOW! It is absolutely INCREDIBLE how much he's improved as an artist over a relatively short period of time.

It really is interesting because it seemed to me as if Mr. Rubi's art had improved lately and he was really ready to "pop" into his own style; however, I then read the 1st 2 issues of the Detonator and was just incredibly disappointed. I thought the coloring was just so awful -- #2 was the worst book I have read in quite some time. Reading those issues made me think I had misjudged Mr. Rubi's development; however, the preview pages above show that it was indeed the coloring hampering his work and that, with the right attention, Mr. Rubi really has matured and is ready to take that next step in his development.

Robert_Coyner
02-16-2005, 03:59 PM
I may be the only one, but I picked up Mike Baron's the Detonator and thought Mel Rubi's art on it was stupendous. Actually, better than what we're seeing here, IMHO... I never saw his early days, but seriously, for people looking to past projects and seeing his work as somehow deficient, I would seriously give him another chance. His work on the Detonator features cool character designs with unique facial features, expressions and body types and really dynamically choreographed action sequences. I wasn't interested in the book until Joe Casey profiled it in the Fall, when I saw Rubi's artwork on it, I was sold...

samnoir
02-17-2005, 01:49 PM
Originally posted by Bakema NL
Arsenal3......I really liked Darick Robertson on New Warriors. :)

And did Sonja become a time traveler or something? She looks like a science fiction character and I really thought this was supposed to be sword & sorcery, in an age long, long ago, not far, far away..................anyway, it looks stupid. The clothing, or lack thereof, is a weapon in itself. In a fight the guys will look more to her body than pay attention to her sword, it gives her an advantage................so yes, T & A do work.

No, she wasn't a time-traveller (ala HEX). I believe the eighties Marvel book was launched off of the Bridgette Nielson/Arnold Schwarzeneggar Red Sonja movie which did not feature the chainmail bikini, but does look like it might have influenced Xena.

http://www.ruthlessreviews.com/80saction/pics/redsonja1.jpg

It appears that the creative team (Louise Simonson and Mary
Wilshire IIRC) decided to take it into a different direction, and you do have to remember that particular style and cut of bikini (chainmail notwithstanding) was more of a seventies look. 80's Sonja definately had an eighties fashion influence (which was rebounding into conservatism), with the baggy top and the "legwarmers".

The new Sonja should be wearing a pair of chainmail lowriders and chainmail belly top.
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terry
02-18-2005, 11:44 AM
Although not a _pure_Howard character I certainly hope they keep as faithful to his Hyborian Age as Kurt is doing with Conan over at Dark Horse.

Terry

Bakema NL
02-19-2005, 06:23 AM
Originally posted by samnoir
No, she wasn't a time-traveller (ala HEX). I believe the eighties Marvel book was launched off of the Bridgette Nielson/Arnold Schwarzeneggar Red Sonja movie which did not feature the chainmail bikini, but does look like it might have influenced Xena.

http://www.ruthlessreviews.com/80saction/pics/redsonja1.jpg

It appears that the creative team (Louise Simonson and Mary
Wilshire IIRC) decided to take it into a different direction, and you do have to remember that particular style and cut of bikini (chainmail notwithstanding) was more of a seventies look. 80's Sonja definately had an eighties fashion influence (which was rebounding into conservatism), with the baggy top and the "legwarmers".

The new Sonja should be wearing a pair of chainmail lowriders and chainmail belly top.
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The time traveler bit was a bit sarcastic of course. ;)

That movie was horrible really, but I still got it, one of those really bad movies you still want to watch. :D

Roguestorm
02-23-2005, 06:05 PM
Originally posted by Eddie Young
I'll read it but I'm still not over her "doing" Flava Flav.


O,GOD! don't remind me,that man is absolutely hideous!!