IDENTITY CRISIS #5

[MattBrady]

<a href="http://www.newsarama.com/DC/Identity_Crisis/IDCR5_cvr.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://www.newsarama.com/DC/Identity_Crisis/IDCR5_cvr_t.jpg" width="165" height="249" border="0" align="right"></a>DC Comics has provided Newsarama with three pages from this week’s <b>Identity Crisis #5</b>, featuring, among other things, the heroes taking the fight to the villains.

DC’s solicitation for the issue reads:

Find out what all the fuss is about as the breathtaking 7-issue miniseries heats up! The heroes take a proactive stance against the villains of the DCU...at the cost of lives on both sides of the crisis! Unfortunately, nothing can prevent another loss in a hero's private life. With the stakes raised for everyone involved, things are going to get a lot worse before they get better!

Click here (http://www.newsarama.com/pages/DC/IC5_preview.htm) for the preview.

[algertman]

cool, more pages to go with yesterdays

edit--HAW DeadShot made kyle his bitch, what a badass

[Zadillo]

Originally posted by algertman
cool, more pages to go with yesterdays

Wait, what pages came out yesterday?

-Zadillo

[algertman]

Originally posted by Zadillo
Wait, what pages came out yesterday?

-Zadillo

yes go to the talk@ forum and there is a link to three pages that seem to take place right before these

[rock334]

This has turned into one awesome series. Can't wait to get issue 5 tomorrow. I was able to obtain Justice League Of America (1st series) #167 & 168 today. These are tied into Identity Crisis. It is the issues where the villians and heroes swapped bodies and the villians were able to learn the heroes identities. It was wonderful seeing Dick Dillins art again. He his really missed...
Billy

[GOSD]

Go here, Z

http://www.popcultureshock.com/reviews.php?id=3468

It has the cover and the first 3 pages.

These are pages 4, 5 and 6.

;)

[jmarshall]

Originally posted by algertman
HAW DeadShot made kyle his bitch, what a badass

Yeah, he shoots himself through the neck, what a badass!!

[Zadillo]

Damn, nice....:)

-Zadillo

[BurgundyTears]

So 6 preview pages in total then? Looks nice as always in any case. :)

[DrTzinTzin]

It may be filled with all the thing I don't like about today's comics, like murder, rape and violence but Christ it looks good.

[BurgundyTears]

As long as the story doesn't glorify any of those things and try to put evil people in a very negative light, I don't have that much of a problem with it. I think Meltzer seems to show a sense of moral fibre so far along the line.

[FIG]

Pages 2&3 are awesome. Wow, I'v been missing out on the quality artwork all this time. Time to catch up.

[JimShelley]

It was wonderful seeing Dick Dillins art again. He his really missed...

So true - one of the all time greats!

[melperfect]

Looks really, really good.

I glanced at the art without reading anything to minimize spoilers.

I.C. will make a fantastic hardcover collection one day.

[Amoebas]

I'd say it's a mistake to have IC again portray Heatwave as a bad guy, but I've got to think that Meltzer's friendship with Geoff Johns means he knows what he is doing.

I hope.

Looks great tho don't it!?!

[gwangung]

I'd be happier if this series didn't have so many STOOPID (tm) moments, where the writer was trying for a cool scene at the expense of basic story logic.

[MatthewSmith]

DC just keeps on teasing and teasing.

This is driving me crazy.

[gustavolb]

And it looks like this time, Tim's dad will be the victim.......

[byoung2814]

This is one fun series to read. I wonder if there is any chance the Question will be involved, what with his series premiering soon?

b.

[Zadillo]

Originally posted by byoung2814
This is one fun series to read. I wonder if there is any chance the Question will be involved, what with his series premiering soon?

b.

That would be cool, but I would think if he was going to show up, he would have done so by now.

-Zadillo

[cncoyle]

Originally posted by gwangung
I'd be happier if this series didn't have so many STOOPID (tm) moments, where the writer was trying for a cool scene at the expense of basic story logic. I'll give ya the Flash/Deathstroke scene, but what other "STOOPID (tm)" LOL:D moments have there been?

[Grendel Prime]

Originally posted by algertman
HAW DeadShot made kyle his bitch

Big deal. Last week, my Grandma did the same thing.

Just wanted to say noone makes the JSA look as good as Rags. (OK, that Pacheco guy comes close... but only close.)

[cncoyle]

Originally posted by Grendel Prime
Just wanted to say noone makes the JSA look as good as Rags. (OK, that Pacheco guy comes close... but only close.) I said in a Talk@ thread that Rags does the best version of Ollie since Neal Adams.:)

[gwangung]

Originally posted by cncoyle
I'll give ya the Flash/Deathstroke scene, but what other "STOOPID (tm)" LOL:D moments have there been?

Just off the top of my head...

Sending Firehawk on a clandestine sting operation.

The crossbow.

Supes as a forensic investigator (let alone a top of the line one).

We'll see about the Jean Loring incident...

[Zadillo]

Originally posted by gwangung
Just off the top of my head...

Sending Firehawk on a clandestine sting operation.

The crossbow.

Supes as a forensic investigator (let alone a top of the line one).

We'll see about the Jean Loring incident...

Hrmm, what is wrong with Supes as a forensic investigator? Between his intelligence and some of his powers (like x-ray vision, superhearing, etc.) it seems like he would be very well suited to that.

-Zadillo

[classicist]

How do people feel about the DCU encylopedia spoilers about the killer? Red Herring? Editorial mistake? I honestly can't figure if the posited killer is plausible or not.

[avengingtitan]

aaaaaaaa your teasing me here man that link goes nowhere
i cant find anything

need previews aaaaaaaaaaa

[DanteHicks1972]

DC's decriptions for December releases are kind of spoiling the suprises in this other wise great mini....

[Zadillo]

Originally posted by classicist
How do people feel about the DCU encylopedia spoilers about the killer? Red Herring? Editorial mistake? I honestly can't figure if the posited killer is plausible or not.

Hrmm, the Encyclopedia spoiled the killer as well? I knew that it mentioned the fate of Spoiler (although that relates to War Games).

I would say that if the DCU Encyclopedia does definitely say who it is though, it probably is correct.

-Zadillo

[gwangung]

Originally posted by Zadillo
Hrmm, what is wrong with Supes as a forensic investigator? Between his intelligence and some of his powers (like x-ray vision, superhearing, etc.) it seems like he would be very well suited to that.

-Zadillo

That doesn't equate to a forensic investigator, however. There's a specialized body of knowledge involved with forensic science, which you don't pick up casually (CSI notwithstanding). As well, there are behavioral protocols to learn, in order not to compromise your investigation. You learn that thing through experience...which is what Batman has, but not Superman. An investigative reporter is NOT the same as a forensic scientist.

Now, if we were talking about the Silver Age Superman (and that's who Meltzer had in mind, I think), that'd be different. But we aren't and they aren't.

[cncoyle]

Originally posted by gwangung
Just off the top of my head...

Sending Firehawk on a clandestine sting operation.HA! I hadn't thought about that. Bolt would be all "Where's that blue glow coming from...?":D

Originally posted by gwangung
The crossbow.:confused: What do you mean? Atom giving Jean the crossbow? If that's the only weapon he's got at the house, then that's not too far-fetched. With Ray being a college professor, he's probably one of those gun-hating liberals and doesn't want those things in his house. (Just kidding!:p)

Ah, I got nuthin'.:o

Originally posted by gwangung
Supes as a forensic investigator (let alone a top of the line one).I need to re-read that issue, but did they actually refer to him as a forensic investigator. I feel like they were saying he was the ultimate tool (no pun intended:rolleyes: ) to examine a crime scene, then he'd report his findings to some of those more inclined to that line of thinking. (You're spot-on about Batman being more in that school of thought than Superman, though.)

Originally posted by gwangung
We'll see about the Jean Loring incident... I wondered how her hair turned from brown to black in the course of one issue!:eek: ;) :p

[BrendanThomas]

This is a good series but I don't think it's great. I'm surprised it's caught people's fancy so drastically and that even "civilians" have taken notice. Regardless, I'm fairly engaged in the series and am curious to see who's responsible. It has to be someone really spectacular or the series, as a whole, will have a difficult time holding up.

[cncoyle]

Originally posted by BrendanThomas
This is a good series but I don't think it's great. I'm surprised it's caught people's fancy so drastically and that even "civilians" have taken notice. Regardless, I'm fairly engaged in the series and am curious to see who's responsible. It has to be someone really spectacular or the series, as a whole, will have a difficult time holding up. First off, welcome to Newsarama, Brendan!:)

I think the most important thing Identity Crisis has done is to bring back the nail-biting anticipation of that next issue. It's been a loooooong time (for me at least) since I've eagerly awaited another issue. Yeah, I've looked forward to this issue or that, but IC has made me feel like a kid on Christmas Eve trying to fall asleep.

[GideonStargrave]

Originally posted by cncoyle
First off, welcome to Newsarama, Brendan!:)

I think the most important thing Identity Crisis has done is to bring back the nail-biting anticipation of that next issue. It's been a loooooong time (for me at least) since I've eagerly awaited another issue. Yeah, I've looked forward to this issue or that, but IC has made me feel like a kid on Christmas Eve trying to fall asleep.
No kidding. Say what you will about IC, but I can't remember a story in recent history that has this many people talking/guessing/on the edge of their seats, and for that I applaud Meltzer. I know at least I'm waiting impatiently for the next issue.
Also, the scene on these pages with Flash stealing all of Merlyn's arrows? Priceless.

[MAJ C-K]

I agree that it looks like the senior Mr. Drake is checking out, especially in line with DC's Jan solicitations. This may create some interesting issues with custody (ie, Tim's step-mother vs. Brue Wayne?) that will further complicate his life as Robin.

Should make for an interesting read as IC is felt in the DC universe.

[swol]

This looks really nice.

The mystery is still a mystery (at least for the majority of us).

This is what the DC team books would probably look like if they were given an "Ultimates"-style makeover.

Impressive.

[The Creeper]

I....can't.....wait.....

[Sean Walsh]

Originally posted by Amoebas
I'd say it's a mistake to have IC again portray Heatwave as a bad guy, but I've got to think that Meltzer's friendship with Geoff Johns means he knows what he is doing.

I was going to complain about that frame too, but:

a) he was named as a possible suspect in #1 because of the circumstances of Sue's death,

and,

b) does Flash even know HW's reforming himself and not a "normal" rogue anymore? A select few *might* but even those who did (like Guardian in SUPERBOY a few years back) were still not trusting of him...

So that scene makes more sense once thinking gets involved.


Regarding the cover: it's...........just Robin...........oh......... (many people were theorizing there was someone dead in his arms) :p

[CParadise]

Speaking of DC Solicits, how about this:

SPOILER BELOW,

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Recovering from their trip through time, the Teen Titans are asked to track down one loose end from Identity Crisis: the armor of Lex Luthor!

Seriously, this series (which I have been enjoying tremendously) will be tied to the worst 6 issues I have ever read!!! (Loeb's Superman/Batman) DUH!!!!!

[BillReed]

Meltzer really doesn't like Kyle Rayner, does he?

[Biggest Nimrod]

What if Tim's dad is actually........THE KILLER!
Wouldn't that be some crazy shit!
LOL

[Lex]

Originally posted by CParadise
Speaking of DC Solicits, how about this:

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Recovering from their trip through time, the Teen Titans are asked to track down one loose end from Identity Crisis: the armor of Lex Luthor!

Seriously, this series (which I have been enjoying tremendously) will be tied to the worst 6 issues I have ever read!!! (Loeb's Superman/Batman) DUH!!!!!

Doesn't the solicit also say it's a loose thread from IC? It doesn't mean that Lex is the killer. And when Lex said "There will be a crisis" at the end of S/B #6, he is refering to something that is coming up in the Superman/Batman book down the line. Many people incorrectly associated that sentence with Identity Crisis just because of the word "crisis."

[BradE]

This art sucks, my god... why is it so inconsistant?

[arcane67]

Originally posted by BradE
This art sucks, my god... why is it so inconsistant?

Are you actually being serious? If so, what the art may lack in consistancy it more than makes up for in emotional involvement and expression. Not all art has to maintain rigid consistancy, hell, look at Kirby's stuff: a character's look, shape and size would change dramatically throughout the course of one book. He just drew each panel and each page to look it's best. Not everyone strives for the consistancy of a Byrne or Perez, nor should they have to.

[TimTurnip]

Originally posted by jmarshall
Yeah, he shoots himself through the neck, what a badass!!

Read it again -- he <i>deliberately</i> aimed the shot to hit himself through the neck in order to get close to Kyle and engineer his (attempted) escape. To me, that really is a badass!

[samnoir]

Has anyone else seen Fritz Lang's M?

A seriel killer is on the loose killing children and the police are at their wits end trying to track him down. They come down hard on the criminal underworld, shaking everyone down so that it's impossible for them to conduct business as usual. The criminals decide to take matters into their own hands and manage to find the killer before the authorities.

Given what we are seeing in this issue, perhaps this is the direction this storyline is taking?

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[teameck]

I'm just surprised I haven't seen anyone comment on the fact that villains were mind wiped, and Lois Lane never figured out Superman's secret identity.

Or did she, and Zatanna got to her?

:D

Just a joke... It's been in my head a while, and it finally escaped.

[OcCaM]

Originally posted by Zadillo
Hrmm, the Encyclopedia spoiled the killer as well? I knew that it mentioned the fate of Spoiler (although that relates to War Games).

I would say that if the DCU Encyclopedia does definitely say who it is though, it probably is correct.

-Zadillo

Damn, no offense but I'm get sick of answering this question for you guys who don't get around. (I've done it on a couple other boards.)

Anyway, in regards to the Encyclopedia, it's clear they ran with what they knew, as it was so painfully made clear that Dr. Light was not the killer in issue #2.

Here's what Danny himself had to say at the "Ask the Editiors" feature at DC. You guys obviously don't care about DC that much I guess. Neither do I, but I'm still an info. freak.

"DC and DK worked closely together for months to make sure that all the entries in the Encyclopedia were as accurate and up-to-date as possible. We think the book is incredibly current on the unfolding dramas in the DC Universe, but even the well-informed folks that assembled the tome were left speculating on the killer's identity at the book's press time. They concluded that Dr. Light was the murderer, but, as you have obviously read by now, our heroes have eliminated him from the list of suspects. While the true name of the villain remains a secret, it is practically the only secret left not revealed in this incredibly researched book, which remains a must-read for any and all DC Comics fans."

There's supposedly going to be a corrected version of this Encyclopedia, so if one really feels the need to waste money on this crap, at least go with the better version.

Too bad, my budget doesn't afford 3 trades and IC this week. I'll have to wait until next week darn it.

(Geez, I'm down to like 3 monthlies and I can't even work one of them in the budget. Too many good trades out there damn it!)

[grantg]

Damn! Ted's got some big-ass goggles! :)

[CParadise]

Originally posted by Lex
Doesn't the solicit also say it's a loose thread from IC? It doesn't mean that Lex is the killer. And when Lex said "There will be a crisis" at the end of S/B #6, he is refering to something that is coming up in the Superman/Batman book down the line. Many people incorrectly associated that sentence with Identity Crisis just because of the word "crisis."

I doubt it, read it (or at least look at it again). The text of the ending quote is EXACTLY the logo of IC. And do you really think it's a coincidence that the armor plays big part in the book? I am not implying that he's the killer, though that would be the second worst characterisation of Lex EVER (Loeb's Sup/Bat 1-6 being the worst EVER). I am just saying that they reveal a big (potentially) part in the solicits, too bad.

[drifter13x]

Originally posted by algertman
cool, more pages to go with yesterdays

edit--HAW DeadShot made kyle his bitch, what a badass

Kyle's been everyones bitch as of late. Check out the the Majestic mini and watch as Kyle becomes a one panel punch line. It's like the fact he's going out has made it complete open season on the "temp". It's a shame, because I always found Kyles GL stories better than most of Hal Jordans. Hal's a great team player, and I love him in a teambook, but by himself he was a bit dull. Anyways, moving on to Identity Crisis, I guess the cover pretty much indicates who gets it next. I've been reading my cousins copies so far, and I'm still on the fence about getting this later in trade.

[N Barmby]

I agree Mr Drake's a dead man. I personally think that this is the most exciting comic on the stands bar none. As a Marvel fanatic for the last ten years it really is good to see DC raising the game especially if that involves Green Arrow. This is better that Avengers, Secret War, Ultimates.... Whooo!!

Ollie Rocks!!:D

[N Barmby]

Mr Drake is on the way out, it'll be nice to see Robin become a little darker he's always been a bit too happy go lucky for me. This sets up the 'Batman of the future' arc over in the Titans nicely.
I have to say this is the best thing DC has put out in years and the treatment of Ollie is fantastic!!

:D

[cncoyle]

Originally posted by N Barmby
I have to say this is the best thing DC has put out in years and the treatment of Ollie is fantastic!!:D Totally agree--between his "starring" role in IC and the media exposure of his own title thanks to Winnick, Ollie is on his way to being a firm second-tier character along with Flash & Green Lantern!:)

Oh, and welcome to Newsarama, N Barmby! This thread is getting a lot of new posters!:cool:

[DanteHicks1972]

Originally posted by Lex
Doesn't the solicit also say it's a loose thread from IC? It doesn't mean that Lex is the killer. And when Lex said "There will be a crisis" at the end of S/B #6, he is refering to something that is coming up in the Superman/Batman book down the line. Many people incorrectly associated that sentence with Identity Crisis just because of the word "crisis."


I too read the solicitations for January and the Titans line mentioned "...one loose end from Identity Crisis: the armor of Lex Luthor" so it's not fanboy speculation. I think it was IC #1 where someone was trying to sell Luthors armor they haven't said anything on the armor since. I was really disappointed w/ DC on Robin & Adventures of Superman descriptions "...Superman, shaken by Lois' shooting and the events in Identity Crisis..." It seems like DC tried so hard to keep this stuff a secret....it's just disappointing...as for the IC series itself it's been great very few comics today have me chomping at the bit for the next issue...it's great to have that epic feel to a book...

[MattBrady]

Originally posted by DanteHicks1972
I was really disappointed w/ DC on Robin & Adventures of Superman descriptions "...Superman, shaken by Lois' shooting and the events in Identity Crisis..." It seems like DC tried so hard to keep this stuff a secret....it's just disappointing... But the shooting of Lois happened two months ago in Adventures (as Greg Ruck talked about the aftershocks of that event that will play out) in an interview here (http://www.newsarama.com/pages/DC/Rucka_Superman.htm), and Geoff said that the Titans will be looking for the armor months back in an interview here (http://www.newsarama.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=16161&highlight=Titans).

I don't think you're being as spolied as you think you are.

MattB

[algertman]

Originally posted by MattBrady

I don't think you're being as spolied as you think you are.

MattB

completly agree, most of the spoilers people are reffering to we've known by them either already happening, or from interviews from well over a month ago

[Zadillo]

Originally posted by OcCaM
Damn, no offense but I'm get sick of answering this question for you guys who don't get around. (I've done it on a couple other boards.)

Anyway, in regards to the Encyclopedia, it's clear they ran with what they knew, as it was so painfully made clear that Dr. Light was not the killer in issue #2.

Here's what Danny himself had to say at the "Ask the Editiors" feature at DC. You guys obviously don't care about DC that much I guess. Neither do I, but I'm still an info. freak.

"DC and DK worked closely together for months to make sure that all the entries in the Encyclopedia were as accurate and up-to-date as possible. We think the book is incredibly current on the unfolding dramas in the DC Universe, but even the well-informed folks that assembled the tome were left speculating on the killer's identity at the book's press time. They concluded that Dr. Light was the murderer, but, as you have obviously read by now, our heroes have eliminated him from the list of suspects. While the true name of the villain remains a secret, it is practically the only secret left not revealed in this incredibly researched book, which remains a must-read for any and all DC Comics fans."

There's supposedly going to be a corrected version of this Encyclopedia, so if one really feels the need to waste money on this crap, at least go with the better version.

Too bad, my budget doesn't afford 3 trades and IC this week. I'll have to wait until next week darn it.

(Geez, I'm down to like 3 monthlies and I can't even work one of them in the budget. Too many good trades out there damn it!)

Yikes OcCaM, I'm sorry I don't "get around" as much as you......... I follow newsarama's boards, and also check comicscontinuum.com from time to time, and stuff like LitG and AllTheRage every now and then, and that's about it. I heard about the Spoiler spoilers, but hadn't heard anyone say they tried to identify the IC murderer.

I'm not sure how you draw the conclusion that "you guys don't care about DC that much". I like DC a lot, I just honestly hadn't heard this stuff before, and I didn't even know DC did an "Ask the Editors" feature.

Anyway, thanks for responding. Sorry it inconvenienced you so much to do though.

For what it's worth, I don't think the DCU Encyclopedia sounds like "crap" the money would be wasted on, as you said. From the reviews I read of it, it sounds like a pretty incredible book, and one in the spirit of the Who's Who stuff, which I always enjoyed.

I am glad to know though that there's going to be a corrected edition, so I probably will wait for that.

-Zadillo

[cncoyle]

Any time you compile some information into an encyclopedic format, it's immediately dated, especially in this, the "Information Age". You should see my parents' World Book Encyclopedia 1980 set...:eek:

[HowAreWeToLive]

not that i actually think i'm right, but what if tim's crying because it's revealed his dad is the killer? some have posited him as the killer, but i think that might take a lot of character development b/c we know him as someone without superpowers or extra-normal abilities, which, i think, would make for a crap story. but the art and suspense make for a great story!

[Zadillo]

Originally posted by HowAreWeToLive
not that i actually think i'm right, but what if tim's crying because it's revealed his dad is the killer? some have posited him as the killer, but i think that might take a lot of character development b/c we know him as someone without superpowers or extra-normal abilities, which, i think, would make for a crap story. but the art and suspense make for a great story!

It's an interesting idea, but I have no idea how they'd explain that Jack Drake was able to get around all that security, etc.

And also, if Jack Drake did want some sort of revenge, he should go after Batman's "family" and friends, not Justice League people (and why would the satellite era matter to Jack Drake, don't he and Tim post-date that era anyway)?

-Zadillo

[cncoyle]

Well, Jack Drake could be the mastermind behind it all. He hired the Rogues/villains to take out Sue and Jean. (The note to Lois has to be a red herring, IMO.) Since he lives next door to Wayne Manor, he's gotta have some greenbacks... As for targeting the satellite-era JLA, maybe he's just targeting the heroes with public ID's and the satellite connection is a coincidence.

Eh, I don't like that theory, but it would make some sense. I still like my wild-hair theory about Ralph & Sue...:p

[GOSD]

That makes no sense..

[Hdefined]

Originally posted by DrTzinTzin
It may be filled with all the thing I don't like about today's comics, like murder, rape and violence but Christ it looks good.

As Wertham might say, "Ladies and gentleman, the seduction of the innocent!" :D

[comicasa]

Anybody know what happened with Psycho Pirate? Boomerang looks like he's been influenced a-la-pirate.... I remember pirate being able to change people's behaviour. like he did in Crisis on Infinite Earths.
R.

[Zadillo]

Originally posted by comicasa
Anybody know what happened with Psycho Pirate? Boomerang looks like he's been influenced a-la-pirate.... I remember pirate being able to change people's behaviour. like he did in Crisis on Infinite Earths.
R.

Grant Morrison made a good point in his Animal Man run that the Psycho Pirate was the only DCU character who remembered the Crisis (the actual crisis...... not just remembering the red skies and so forth).

-Zadillo

[HowAreWeToLive]

if the killer is who is revealed at the end of issue 5, i'm at a loss.

[N Barmby]

Don't tease us like that tell us!
:D

[comicasa]

Originally posted by Zadillo
Grant Morrison made a good point in his Animal Man run that the Psycho Pirate was the only DCU character who remembered the Crisis (the actual crisis...... not just remembering the red skies and so forth).

-Zadillo

Yep, and he reappeared in his original costume in Joker's Last Laugh. Maybe he's remembering too much. He could know about the secret identities.

And I also can't get away from the feeling that there is a link towards Crisis on Infinite Earths. The pirate was important in that series.

R.

[Kolimar]

Originally posted by comicasa
And I also can't get away from the feeling that there is a link towards Crisis on Infinite Earths. The pirate was important in that series.

Perhaps the Manhunters made a copy of the History of the Universe capsule Harbinger made and then sold it to...

...somebody... :p :D

[JDooley]

I need some help...Who is the guy that Cyborg is roughing up? He looks real familar, but i can't place him

[Kolimar]

Originally posted by BurgundyTears
As long as the story doesn't glorify any of those things and try to put evil people in a very negative light, I don't have that much of a problem with it.

HUH?? Come again? :confused:

:p :D

[Kolimar]

Originally posted by grantg
Damn! Ted's got some big-ass goggles! :)

I really don't like those goggles. Jurgens was the last guy I remember who drew them the way they are supposed to look. Very much Spider-Man based.

[Kolimar]

Originally posted by JDooley
I need some help...Who is the guy that Cyborg is roughing up? He looks real familar, but i can't place him

Here...

WARP [Emil LaSalle]

First Appearance: New Teen Titans Vol. 1 #14 (December 1981)

Emil LaSalle, the French super-powered nationalist known as Warp, joined the Brotherhood of Evil to get revenge on Madame Rouge. Warp stayed with the Brotherhood (and as they were briefly called, the Society of Sin), frequently battling the Titans, until the members went separate ways. Since this, Warp has also encountered Superman and the Elongated Man.

[Kolimar]

Forgot to say...

His power is teleportation. He opens dimensional gateways or portals. :)

[grantg]

Originally posted by Kolimar
I really don't like those goggles. Jurgens was the last guy I remember who drew them the way they are supposed to look. Very much Spider-Man based.

I like the goggles, I was just messing around because in this preview Rags made them HUGE. :)

My favorite will always be Kevin Maguire. That boy knows how to draw goggles!

I never cared for the Spider-Man based goggles. After the JLI run, the last person I would try to make Ted look like is Spidey.

[Kolimar]

I knew you like them. Ijust used your comment as a jumping on point. :D

All I'm saying is, he doesn't need to look silly. Ted is one of my favorite characters and it pains my heart to see him like that. :(

Maguire, ahh yes a wave of nostalgia engulfs me... ;)

[grantg]

Originally posted by Kolimar
I knew you like them. Ijust used your comment as a jumping on point. :D

All I'm saying is, he doesn't need to look silly. Ted is one of my favorite characters and it pains my heart to see him like that. :(

Maguire, ahh yes a wave of nostalgia engulfs me... ;)

Maybe these are special "Identity Crisis" goggles? :)

I know what you mean about Beetle looking silly. It's like Guy with the bowl cut. Some artists knew how to draw it, but others made it so over the top. This made Guy look silly rather then just act silly.

Then again, a bowl cut might not be the best example. :D

[whoknowswhynot]

Originally posted by classicist
How do people feel about the DCU encylopedia spoilers about the killer? Red Herring? Editorial mistake? I honestly can't figure if the posited killer is plausible or not.

<p>I haven't read the DCU Encyclopedia cover to cover, but I didn't come across any mention of IC. Elongated Man and Atom's entries don't mention anything. What spoilers are u talking about? Feel free to PM me...

[Dofreewill]

I just read IC5. I won't spoil anything, i hope, but the ending is killer (pun unintended). it tells me that there is a mastermind pulling strings somewhere. the calculator is the obvious choice but i think each of the murders has been committed by a different criminal each time. Besides, the way this one (IC5) goes down, it seems like the killer and the victim were both set up (the victim gets a package saying "Protect yourself". The sender shows he knows the related hero's id by emphasizing a letter as with Lois having the "S" in a shield in her warning. Anyway, a previous poster was dead on, this is a chiffhanging series that keeps me looking forward to the next issue.

[Dofreewill]

alright, i just had to let this one slip.
anybody interested should read the second to last pg of the latest teen titans b4 IC5. Robin asks a question that leaves you wanting a response. The answer is potentially in IC5. ...The edge of my seat!

[Tupy]

Hey,

IC will be published in Brasil someday circa 2007! I can't wait that long
Can someone please tell me who died so far, specially at IC5?
If you prefer, please email me at dcardososilva@hotmail.com
Thanks in advance

[GOSD]

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#1 - Sue Dibney - Elongation Man's wife
#5 - Tim's dad(Robin), Captain Boomerang and Firestorm (Ronnie Raymond).

I can't wait til #6 is out!

[RickinToronto]

I have a feeling that there are just so many red herrings out there in multiple forms, that I can't believe anything that anyone has posted, as far as to who the identity of the killer is.

I'm sticking with my own theory that Amazo is the culprit.

[grantg]

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#1 - Sue Dibney - Elongation Man's wife
#5 - Tim's dad(Robin), Captain Boomerang and Firestorm (Ronnie Raymond).

I can't wait til #6 is out!

Gaaah! UPS just pulled up with my comics as I was reading this! Oh well, I was warned. :-)

[tyopot]

the artwork,though clear,is very plain-looking,generic.good,but not great.

[JamesJesse]

There have been a lot of inconsistencies in this book but I have chosen to suspend my disbelief because the story itself is great

... still, trying to explain... SPOILERS


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Wally VS Deathstroke- I spoke up against this in another thread as implausible but here's another take on it. Wally was obviously rattled, and impulsive given his state of mind at the moment. And he really would have to slow down enough to hit Deathstroke given the short distance he traveled... Deathstroke has studied him long enough to take a gamble. Which worked because of Wally's lack of concentration given the moment. And I'm guessing since Wally knows what Deathstroke is capable of, he tried to be too careful.

Deathstroke VS Kyle. Kyle was a bit dumb on this one, but even Superman and Batman make dumb moves every now and then. And as proven by the Deadshot scene, Kyle is good and has considerable experience, but still is "relatively" inexperienced against hardcore maniacs like Deathstroke and Deadshot whom he had never faced before. He may even stand a better chance against a more powerful but more familiar villain like Dr. Polaris.

Firehawk on stakeout... perhaps it seemed foolish, but these are experienced veterans and they knew what they were doing. It wasn't pitch black mind you, and as long as she didn't fly about, her glow could be mistaken for another neon sign or some other light source.

Heatwave as a villain: He is reformed, but he still knows a lot of what happens in the underworld. He knew Captain Boomerang was back in action and looking for a big score... He is training with Trickster (James Jesse) as part of Jesse's FBI task force and even secret agents need to be roughed up every now and then. I'm guessing Beetle and Wildcat didn't bother to ask cause he wouldn't tell. Also, while Heatwave is a Barry Allen friend, its possible Wally doesn't trust him as much. Wally wouldn't be that sure...

Oracle not calling other speedsters: Well, I didn't like this either but who's to say she wasn't trying while Robin was talking to his Dad?

Firestorm: Sir Justin's sword can cut through anything and is a magical weapon than can cleave atoms and electrons. And I doubt this killed Firestorm. What I didn't buy is the melting of the sword. If it melted, it couldn't be powerful enough to hurt Ronnie. It should've been one way or the other... But I eventually settled on, both Firestorm and the Sword are waaay two powerful and they did each other in.


And as far as Robin being robbed of his uniqueness, here's something: The other Robins experienced tragedy to become Robin. Up to this point, Tim's having a parent made him different... but now, another twist: Tim experienced tragedy BECAUSE he was Robin. No matter what his father said, he will always know it wouldn't have happened if he didn't seek out to become Robin.

So, everything CAN be explained. Even if you don't like mine, there are other plausible arguments...

A great story and easily one of the best I've read EVER.

[benedict]

we know Kid Flash wouldn't have responded... not sure he even has a JLA thingy. Where was Sups, he could have made it. Any other speedsters?