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achilles140
02-25-2008, 03:15 PM
We've seen some noise that can be taken either way as to whether there will be one, but let's put that aside and assume there will. What would be important things that a Power Girl series would need to accomplish in order to work for you?

For me, there are a number of important things that need to be addressed in any prospective Power Girl ongoing. Obviously there is the question of just where will her adventures take place. Not in New York, where she is currently based. Far too many heroes there to legitimately need or use someone like Power Girl. For DC, this question usually means a (fictional) city of the character's own, sometimes with a few lesser heroes and/or villains already there. It would be a nice touch if such a city would include the Daily Star as a nod to Earth-2 and the Golden Age Superman, and that an extremely wealthy character such as Karen Starr have some connection to it, (though not Clark Kent's reporter connection), perhaps as owner.

So she needs her own city. What else? Obviously, both supporting cast, and a rogues gallery of her own. I'm not at all against her using the occasional villain of some other hero, (in her case Superman villains come to mind both for the Superman family connection, and because many of them provide opposition of the scale a Kryptonian hero needs), but they should make very few appearances. So she needs her own villains, developed just for her. They should be both actual physical threats to a character of her power levels, and they should also provide other types of threats, (Lex Luthor would be one type for example).

A supporting cast is also a must. She already has some of those that any writer who does any research on the character could mine. Earth-2's Andrew Vinson could be brought back on New Earth in some form. The previous Firestorm's mother served as head of Starrware, and presumably still is. There are other example, but not only should previously existing characters be used for supporting cast, but new ones need to be created.

One thing that any writer should do is to think about the character long and hard before putting pen to paper so to speak. What is it about her that constitutes her core appeal? Physical characteristics aside, there are some parts of her character that have distinguished her from otherwise similar characters.

When she was first introduced, she was a rather different character than the one you see now. She was bold and brash, self confident, but for a reason---she was plainly put almost as good as she thought she was. She was the smart member of the JSA in her first All-Star appearances, the one who drove the action and saw that there was more going on then perhaps the other JSAers thought.

A series of her own is the perfect place to regain this long-ignored aspect of her character. While I like that Johns has rescued the character from oblivion, and has put togther some good stories about her, they represent in many ways a new sort of Power Girl, one who questions herself and feels self-pity, one who defers questions of leadership to others---in short, a much meeker Power Girl.

Another thing to look at is Power Girl as comedic character. While the potential for that has always been there, it took Giffen, who had previously been involved in All-Star as an artist, to bring it to the fore, and make it the defining characteristic of HIS take on her in JLE/JLI. This move certainly brought her new popularity, and got her off the shelf, perhaps saving her as a character.

So which is the correct take? The self-confident and very competent hero of All-Star? The milder and self doubting version of the current JSA? Or the Giffen League broad comedic foil to Captain Atom and Flash?

My opinion is all three provide facets to her character. In other words, while I would prefer her to be mostly self confident and brash, with the actual power and competence to match; she should also be on rare occasions unsure of herself, and feel self-pity. She should also be more than just a straight dramatic character, capable of issues that are comedic in tone. This to me is a character equally suitable to tragedy, comedy, and complex character driven stories, as well as straight out action arcs.

Which brings me to something else that I think a series would need to accomplish. We know that she's the leader of the JSA, and one of the most respected and powerful heroes in the DCU. What we don't know is why. Sure, we know that she's powerful, but we almost never SEE it, not in any unambiguous way. We never SEE her do anything especially impressive; we never SEE her beat anyONE especially impressive. She's supposed to be one of the most powerful and capable heroes in the DCU, but why this is so has really never been shown. This is something s monthly will have to correct.

Her leadership powers? Well, we plain haven't seen them yet. Why would anyone follow what she wants them to do? We know why they'd follow Superman, Batman, or Wonder Woman. A series needs to establish why she'd make a good leader, perhaps by showing her lead a disparate group of people who are not necessarily inclined to follow her as the JSA was.

Finally, we need to get to know her. What does she like? What does she want? What does she think of others in her life?

Those are my thoughts on the subject, how about yours?

BatWolverine
02-25-2008, 03:22 PM
See achilles...once you get your head (temporarily) out of thoughts of nuns and squirrels' nuts you come up some great ideas...and on paper/typed no less. :D


Well put. Couldn't have said nearly as good myself.

achilles140
02-25-2008, 03:44 PM
See achilles...once you get your head (temporarily) out of thoughts of nuns and squirrels' nuts you come up some great ideas...and on paper/typed no less. :D


Well put. Couldn't have said nearly as good myself.

Well, thanks. See, it IS possible for me to focus!:D

New Way
02-25-2008, 04:07 PM
Powergirl needs the same three things that any brake out character needs in order to sustain her own book.

A unique supporting cast: This includes rogues, borrowing rogues from other characters won't help her own title establish it's own identity.

An overarching story theme: Spiderman has "with great power comes great responsibility" if you could describe Powergirl in a sentence what would it be. To me Powergirl is about "finding confidence in your own identity" .

A good creative team: I think a team of Johns and Conner or Johns and Hughes would be perfect.

EyesBL7
02-25-2008, 04:45 PM
Amanda Conner and Johns. That JSAC arc is one of the best secondary character stories Ive ever read.

Caramuru
02-25-2008, 05:12 PM
...Obviously, both supporting cast, and a rogues gallery of her own...

...One thing that any writer should do is to think about the character long and hard before putting pen to paper so to speak. What is it about her that constitutes her core appeal?...

...Another thing to look at is Power Girl as comedic character...

...She's supposed to be one of the most powerful and capable heroes in the DCU, but why this is so has really never been shown...

...Her leadership powers? Well, we plain haven't seen them yet...

...Finally, we need to get to know her. What does she like? What does she want? What does she think of others in her life?...

I've learned so many new euphemisms for "boobies" today.

Caramuru
02-25-2008, 05:13 PM
Those are my thoughts on the subject, how about yours?

OK, seriously, good post.

I also think a PG solo series should have a distinctive look and style. I like the comedy route, but I wouldn't like the adolescent "point at boobies and laughs" kind of humor. I think many will disagree with me, but a PG series shouldn't be afraid of doing things that a lot of male comic book readers would find intimidating, meaning have elements that make the series interesting to a female audience. I remember posters' reactions to DC's Minx imprint saying that they would not give it a try because they aren't the imprint's "target audience." I think writers for s PG series shouldn't worry about that.

achilles140
02-25-2008, 06:02 PM
OK, seriously, good post.

I also think a PG solo series should have a distinctive look and style. I like the comedy route, but I wouldn't like the adolescent "point at boobies and laughs" kind of humor. I think many will disagree with me, but a PG series shouldn't be afraid of doing things that a lot of male comic book readers would find intimidating, meaning have elements that make the series interesting to a female audience. I remember posters' reactions to DC's Minx imprint saying that they would not give it a try because they aren't the imprint's "target audience." I think writers for s PG series shouldn't worry about that.

Thanks, and I'd agree both that any humor in such a book shouldn't be based solely on the "boobies" thing. That played itself out long ago. You're also right in saying that PG writers shouldn't be afraid to do the unexpected, if they think it'd make for a great story.

Gladiator X
02-25-2008, 06:04 PM
A good imaginative writer and a some sweet art is all I need.

Kid Kamikaze
02-25-2008, 06:20 PM
I agree with Caramuru. An action/comedy route would be great, and aim towards a more female audience would be okay, but aiming towards more universal themes would be great too.

A unique supporting cast is a must.

New villains that can contrast and play off Karen's personality and/or history would be great as well.

And.... This ones a bit controversial, but I'd like to see some JSA cameos, but I don't want to see anyone from the Super-Family or cast members/villians from the Superman titles. Little to no Superman, no Supergirl, and no Lex Luthor.

achilles140
02-25-2008, 06:28 PM
I agree with Caramuru. An action/comedy route would be great, and aim towards a more female audience would be okay, but aiming towards more universal themes would be great too.

A unique supporting cast is a must.

New villains that can contrast and play off Karen's personality and/or history would be great as well.

And.... This ones a bit controversial, but I'd like to see some JSA cameos, but I don't want to see anyone from the Super-Family or cast members/villians from the Superman titles. Little to no Superman, no Supergirl, and no Lex Luthor.

While I'm of two minds about the JSA cameos, (mostly don't want them, but the occasional Stargirl or Wildcat wouldn't be too bad), I do agree that in a Power Girl book, I don't want to see anyone related to Superman. While I appreciate that she's again a member of the Superman Family, I can too easily see what's happening over in Supergirl happening in a Power Girl series. If further associations with Superman are needed, let them happen IN a Superman book, not in a Power Girl ongoing.

Also, I'd like to keep the "guest stars" down to a minimum. We've seen what can happen with Supergirl, which turned out to be "Supergirl and the Guest Star of the Issue", rather than a pure Supergirl book. Power Girl can carry her own title, thanks, no need for Superman or Batman to show up every issue. Make such appearances sparse, so as to make them special when they happen. And NO having PG job for another character, even Superman or Batman, in her own title! She's spent too much time doing that already.

BatWolverine
02-25-2008, 06:48 PM
While I'm of two minds about the JSA cameos, (mostly don't want them, but the occasional Stargirl or Wildcat wouldn't be too bad), I do agree that in a Power Girl book, I don't want to see anyone related to Superman. While I appreciate that she's again a member of the Superman Family, I can too easily see what's happening over in Supergirl happening in a Power Girl series. If further associations with Superman are needed, let them happen IN a Superman book, not in a Power Girl ongoing.

Also, I'd like to keep the "guest stars" down to a minimum. We've seen what can happen with Supergirl, which turned out to be "Supergirl and the Guest Star of the Issue", rather than a pure Supergirl book. Power Girl can carry her own title, thanks, no need for Superman or Batman to show up every issue. Make such appearances sparse, so as to make them special when they happen. And NO having PG job for another character, even Superman or Batman, in her own title! She's spent too much time doing that already.
In short...do OPPOSITE of what's has been going on in the SkankGirl title. ;) :p

achilles140
02-25-2008, 06:52 PM
In short...do OPPOSITE of what's has been going on in the SkankGirl title. ;) :p

Well....yeah!:p

Kid Kamikaze
02-25-2008, 06:54 PM
In short...do OPPOSITE of what's has been going on in the SkankGirl title. ;) :p

Dang straight!

breakfast
02-25-2008, 07:01 PM
We'd need someone who actually cares about Power Girl to draw and write it. As in, we'd need a series with all the needed story-telling elements because my number one issue with having a Power Girl series is that I'm worried that it'd just turn into something for sexually deprived fanboys to open and drool over, while the story itself would have no real substance.

She's got a personality, get her a writer who remembers that.

Cat-Scratch
02-25-2008, 07:02 PM
What would you want from a Power Girl Monthly?

I would want the following :

1) Consistent characterization (and in line with what has been done for decades now)
2) Quality story, quality artwork
3) Timely released

That's it. I'm not going to say whom should work on it. I'm not going to say what it should be about. It's just those three things I listed above. Nothing else should need to be said.

palpatine17
02-25-2008, 09:30 PM
I'd be interested in it if it played out like a 'She-Hulk for the DCU' kind of book. By that I mean an approach that is 'tongue-in-cheek' [No lewd comments please] without being insulting or derogatory to the character. (Unlike Frank Miller's All Star Batman & Robin which manages to insult and denigrate Bats every issue!) :)

Then hopefully we could see a PG/Shulkie team-up where comparisons between the two of them could be 'drawn' and a fun time would be had by all!! :D :D :D

thebatusi
02-25-2008, 10:55 PM
nude variants by adam hughes.

instantly becomes the comic world's best-selling title.

ichorskeeter
02-25-2008, 11:05 PM
Amanda Conner

BatWolverine
02-25-2008, 11:06 PM
nude variants by adam hughes.

instantly becomes the comic world's best-selling title.
:rolleyes:

thebatusi
02-25-2008, 11:08 PM
:rolleyes:

relax chuckles, it's just a jibe.

i'm in the minority around here, as i don't think power girl could carry her own title for more than a year or 18 months, tops.

BatWolverine
02-25-2008, 11:09 PM
relax chuckles, it's just a jibe.

i'm in the minority around here, as i don't think power girl could carry her own title for more than a year or 18 months, tops.
If Booster Gold can 'carry' a title...any character can. Then again, lets see how it fares once it loses the Johns 'brand name'.

thebatusi
02-25-2008, 11:13 PM
If Booster Gold can 'carry' a title...any character can. Then again, lets see how it fares once it loses the Johns 'brand name'.

booster's got an advantage... stories set anywhere, anytime, anyhow. this will give his series a better chance at lasting longer. power girl? not so much.

good point on the writer though. once creative teams switch on the book, sales either rise a tad or dive dramatically. mostly dive methinks.

achilles140
02-25-2008, 11:17 PM
If Booster Gold can 'carry' a title...any character can. Then again, lets see how it fares once it loses the Johns 'brand name'.

Look how long Supergirl's title has lasted. Okay, so a lot of that was skip months. But still, for a title with nothing really going for it but an endless stream of guest stars and "Super" in the title, not bad. Any title can last a year or so. A better test would be the five year mark. No Supergirl title except PAD's has yet made it that far to my knowledge, and his SG wasn't the classic.

I think Power Girl can at least duplicate that feat, and better it by a considerable margin with the right talent, good stories, good art, and a decent commitment by DC behind it. After all, Nightwing, another character with ties to the big two, but no "Bat" in his name, has managed to last longer, why not PG?

achilles140
02-25-2008, 11:19 PM
booster's got an advantage... stories set anywhere, anytime, anyhow. this will give his series a better chance at lasting longer. power girl? not so much.

good point on the writer though. once creative teams switch on the book, sales either rise a tad or dive dramatically. mostly dive methinks.

An advantage which could just as easily prove not to be, since many fans prefer stories in a particular setting. Besides, PG is a sci-fi character, well able to do space stories when the case calls for it, and any character in the DCU is just a story away from being in Skartaris or some other fantasy land.

Really, the only limitation is the writer's imagination.

MingusDew
02-25-2008, 11:22 PM
Boobs? Cleavage?

thebatusi
02-25-2008, 11:23 PM
Besides, PG is a sci-fi character, well able to do space stories when the case calls for it, and any character in the DCU is just a story away from being in Skartaris or some other fantasy land.

if this holds true, then an adam strange or captain comet ongoing should be a cinch.

BatWolverine
02-25-2008, 11:28 PM
if this holds true, then an adam strange or captain comet ongoing should be a cinch.
Adam Strange is one of those characters who keeps on getting minis/appearances regularly. Just see the number of places he's been in the last few years...his mini, R/T War, R/T War Special, IC, 52, Countdown to...uh, whatever it is.

As for Captain Comet...I didn't even know about that character Pre-IC.

thebatusi
02-25-2008, 11:35 PM
Adam Strange is one of those characters who keeps on getting minis/appearances regularly. Just see the number of places he's been in the last few years...his mini, R/T War, R/T War Special, IC, 52, Countdown to...uh, whatever it is.

As for Captain Comet...I didn't even know about that character Pre-IC.

how about the challengers of the unknown? kinda like dc's fantastic four, science explorers of the unknown.

so many characters have the potential to carry their own title, but get swamped in the crossovers, events, and specials that the industry relies on these days. the reason many of these characters had their own series back in the silver age/early modern age is because it used to be about the character, not the event. that's where dc and marvel are getting it wrong: focusing on the big bad galactic-sized threat to the universe and then sending in their top characters/teams to save everyone, while better characters are considered second-tier and expendable.

*takes deep breath*

sorry. end rant.

New Way
02-26-2008, 12:46 PM
OK, seriously, good post.

I also think a PG solo series should have a distinctive look and style. I like the comedy route, but I wouldn't like the adolescent "point at boobies and laughs" kind of humor. I think many will disagree with me, but a PG series shouldn't be afraid of doing things that a lot of male comic book readers would find intimidating, meaning have elements that make the series interesting to a female audience. I remember posters' reactions to DC's Minx imprint saying that they would not give it a try because they aren't the imprint's "target audience." I think writers for s PG series shouldn't worry about that.


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reflecto
02-27-2008, 07:09 AM
Boobs? Cleavage?
As much as I love Kara, I would not want to see her in her own monthly series because I know that the urge to seel as many books a month as possible would lead them to make it a nauseating T&A fest, rather than focus on who she is as a person and a hero.
I could barely get through Infinite Crisis because of the whole boobs-bigger-than-her-head thing. My fear is that a monthly book with heavy sales pressures would be more of the same.