enough with the Hood already

[Tanjint]

He felt like a filler to stall Skrull-ness six months ago and he feels like filler to stall the Skrull-ness now. Dude and his people got their asses stomped twice in this latest NA arc and he's still creeping about the shadows talking about "I know how to stop them now!" *barf* This fool's ass needs to stay stomped. he doesn't even look cool. he's just AnyWhiteGuy, USA in a red hood.

This dude is wasting my time; I bought this annual becaue I was told it wraps this hood arc up. between this and Strange leaving NA, consider NA dropped.

-T

[GreatKrypton]

Yeah, but he loves iTunes...

[Edogawa1983]

Hood was a villain for an arc.....

don't be hating on a BKV creation.

[Tanjint]

I love BKV but like I've said since this arc started

a)I shouldn't have to buy and read another trade/hrdcvr to appreciate a villain. He should just be dope. Maybe if and when someone buys me a copy of BKV's hood story.

and yeah he was a villain for an arc but it just really pisses me off that he was like "Oh NOW I know how to beat them!" in the annual. it was cheesy and implies he'll be back but I don't want this dude back for a minute.


-T

[GDB]

I love BKV but like I've said since this arc started

a)I shouldn't have to buy and read another trade/hrdcvr to appreciate a villain. He should just be dope. Maybe if and when someone buys me a copy of BKV's hood story.

and yeah he was a villain for an arc but it just really pisses me off that he was like "Oh NOW I know how to beat them!" in the annual. it was cheesy and implies he'll be back but I don't want this dude back for a minute.


-T
Villains always come back and try to beat the heroes, it's how it works. They just usually don't proclaim it.

Next time Gadget, next time!

[Tanjint]

that's what i'm saying; this to me, implies he'll be back soon. and i don't want that.

dropped

-T

[Edogawa1983]

that's what i'm saying; this to me, implies he'll be back soon. and i don't want that.

dropped

-T

Bendis want him to be the new Kingpin since the old one is gone..I don't see anything wrong with trying to establish a new character.

[zeitgeist07]

the HOOD rulz!!! :p

[KOSLOX]

This was his first major attempt. He didn't win but he definitely put a hurt to the team, plus his attack effectively broke up the current line-up. I'd say he did a pretty decent job. Also it gives the NA a villain that's a fairly credible threat, especially with Doc. Strange out of action.

[Old_Chum]

that's what i'm saying; this to me, implies he'll be back soon. and i don't want that.

dropped

-T

Dude. Villains ALWAYS do that. They get beat, come up with some new plan and get beat again. I'll agree with you that the Hood shouldn't be the constant nemesis for the NA, but he's going to be somewhat reoccuring. (like masters of evil with Classic Avengers, Scoprion with Spiderman) .

[The Shadow]

I don't see anything wrong with trying to establish a new character.
I like the idea of some new blood in the Marvel Universe.

It's better than constantly relying on the same ol' guys over and over and over again.

[The Shadow]

that's what i'm saying; this to me, implies he'll be back soon. and i don't want that.

dropped
You're dropping a book because a villain MIGHT come back?

[RoiVampire]

Just because you don’t think the hood is dope doesn’t mean he’s not dope. The Hood rocks in my opinion. He’s a welcome addition to the marvel cast of villains.

[Strict31]

Just because you don’t think the hood is dope doesn’t mean he’s not dope.

There is, of course, a flipside to that.

Just sayin'.

[jbapk]

For wanting to build him up into the next big villain, he sure looked like a loser in this arc. The Kingpin worked because while X superhero might stop one of his plans, the Kingpin himself was untouchable, and usually had a sideplan that went through.

I amazed that people are shocked that somebody would drop a book because they don't like the characters or storylines in the book. That seems pretty standard to me.

[The Shadow]

I amazed that people are shocked that somebody would drop a book because they don't like the characters or storylines in the book. That seems pretty standard to me.
If he were a main character and the focus of multiple story lines, sure, I get it.

But he's appeared in one arc for the first time in like 8 years.

Plus he's a villain... not a recurring main character who's joined the team.

Dropping a book based on that seems... like overreacting.

[Tanjint]

"between this and Strange leaving NA, consider NA dropped."

my first post^

Strange leaving is a big part of the equation.

I'm gonna get all of SI in trade so I will end up buying the upcoming stories. But I am no longer picking this book up monthly.

-T

[dorknerdgeek]

I don't think the Hood will be back, say, next issue or anything...I just think he'll be back. Maybe not even until after the whole Secret Invasion thing is done playing out.

[Tanjint]

that's acceptable.

and yes I know villains always 'come back' and that's fine but allow me to clarify.

The fact that he said "I know how to beat them now!!" right after getting his ass whupped is annoying. Say he said "I'll be back!" or some ____ like that...that makes sense and is standard.

-T

[Skatonic10]

Seriously? It feels good to get some things changed up for a while. The Kingpin is out of the picture. The villains havn't really ganged up in a while - so its nice to see them kicking some ass then getting beat down.

And... wouldn't it be even more interesting to see how The Hood reacts when the real sh!t hits the fan with the Skrulls. Will he still continue to protect his little band of merry men? Or will he run away screaming like a little girl.

At least it looks as if Bendis is setting his story up for a good conclusion though - between the Hood demon and Dr. Strange.

[shady878]

I love the hood, how can one hate the hood?

[Edogawa1983]

I love the hood, how can one hate the hood?

I bet Furrys hate da Hood

[Tanjint]

I hope that's the case. I hope Bendis works with strange again. I just got scared cause of all the talk Bendis, JoeQ and others have expressed regarding how hard it is to write NA stories wih Strange in the picture. seemed like a cop out way to have strange out of the picture.

-T

[Doc_doom79]

I am sick of Bendis' fetish with taking obscure characters and FORCING THEM DOWN OUR THROATS

Ed Bru, Greg Rucka, Grant Morrison, Christos Gage, Dan Slott, Peter David, Gail Simone, etc all utilize obscure characters, BUT DONT FORCE THEM UPON US LIKE SOME SORT OF TORTURE the way Bendis does.

And you should be happy that Stephen Strange is out, since this has been his WORST handling in the character's history.

[shady878]

I bet Furrys hate da Hood

Furrys or Furbys?

http://members.aol.com/txbeanie4u/B0000296YO.01.MZZZZZZZ

I bet both.

[Korvac]

Saying you're sick of The Hood is like saying you're sick of Moon Knight, or Iron Fist, or Luke Cage, or Jessica Drew... even Elektra, but thank goodness we'll be spared her in the future.

[Lonewolf]

I can't believe how wrong you are. The Hood is a great character, his arc has been the best thing to happen in New Avengers since The Sentry arc and damn, I find myself more interested in him than any Skrulls.

I loved him being set up against Strange like that, it made both characters worth a little more in my book and that last scene with the Hood muttering that he would get his revenge is so integral to comics (and in fact any kind of sequential storytelling) that I can't believe it would bother anyone.

Also, that issue that was just a fight ... one of the best comic brawls in a long long time, I came into this as not much of a fan of Lenil Yu and firmly of the believe that Bendis does his best work elsewhere, but this arc has helped keep me on board at a time when I thought I might be out.

I love the way they're setting the Hood up, loved his appearance opposite fear at the end of the most recent issue of Daredevil and can't wait to see this guy get his hands on New York the next time the Heroes are busy mopping up some more of their petty little infighting.

[Tremnar]

I loved The Hood as a villian. And the entire story arc focused on obscure Villians banding together...why not have an obscure Villian lead them?

-T-

[Edogawa1983]

also if Marvel don't introduce more new villains, evertually Doom will become everyone's villain.

[Dalarsco2]

I love BKV but like I've said since this arc started

a)I shouldn't have to buy and read another trade/hrdcvr to appreciate a villain. He should just be dope. Maybe if and when someone buys me a copy of BKV's hood story.

I never read the original mini. I think The Hood is cool based 100% on his NA appearances. But to each his own I guess.
I am sick of Bendis' fetish with taking obscure characters and FORCING THEM DOWN OUR THROATS

Ed Bru, Greg Rucka, Grant Morrison, Christos Gage, Dan Slott, Peter David, Gail Simone, etc all utilize obscure characters, BUT DONT FORCE THEM UPON US LIKE SOME SORT OF TORTURE the way Bendis does.

And you should be happy that Stephen Strange is out, since this has been his WORST handling in the character's history.
Huh? How is The Hood being "forced down your throat?" This is especially bizarre when the ones you mentioned do way more. Brubaker killed Cap and replaced him with Bucky, Morrison took Emma Frost and made her one of the top X-Men, and Peter David brought Madrox pretty much out of nowhere and made him the leader of the new X-Factor. I wouldn't hate you trolls quite so much if you would at least have some consistent logic to go with your armchair editorial edicts.

[Gamma Duck]

The Hood is like the Sentry...pretty damn cool in the hands of his creator but pure suck under Bendis. Bendis should just create his own characters rather than ignore what the character's about and rewrite them to suit his needs.

[Tanjint]

also if Marvel don't introduce more new villains, evertually Doom will become everyone's villain.


I wouldn't mind that; he should be. He has the resources, the know-how, and the motives.

I would like to see more arch-villain swapping in all honesty. I'd like to see Iron Man go a round or two with the green goblin. Spidey against Mandarin. Daredevil versus Doom etc. There are some great possible combinations that I haven't seen much of.


also, lonewolf...I don't mind "I will have my revenge!" It's "I know how to beat them next time!" that bothers me.

-T

[Edogawa1983]

The Hood is like the Sentry...pretty damn cool in the hands of his creator but pure suck under Bendis. Bendis should just create his own characters rather than ignore what the character's about and rewrite them to suit his needs.

Bendis's characters are usually too 2 dimensional.

[Dalarsco2]

I wouldn't mind that; he should be. He has the resources, the know-how, and the motives.

I would like to see more arch-villain swapping in all honesty. I'd like to see Iron Man go a round or two with the green goblin. Spidey against Mandarin. Daredevil versus Doom etc. There are some great possible combinations that I haven't seen much of.


also, lonewolf...I don't mind "I will have my revenge!" It's "I know how to beat them next time!" that bothers me.

-T
I do agree that villain swapping should happen more. Have you read any Acts of Vengeance stories? Of course, Doom has taken on everyone at some point. He's just that awesome.
I don't get what the problem is with that line. It fits with his arrogance that he thinks he's unlocked the secret to their defeat.

[Tanjint]

i can appreciate that logic


what is acts of vengeance exactly? it sounds hella familiar.

-T

[Edogawa1983]

i can appreciate that logic


what is acts of vengeance exactly? it sounds hella familiar.

-T

the villains made a pact with each other to go after each other's enemies

[neftones]

Is this guy really complaining that a villain is going to come back? Really?

[Tanjint]

Is this guy really complaining that a villain is going to come back? Really?


don't you love it when people read bits of a thread and then make smart ass remarks about it?

I'm complaining that he said he already knew how to beat them again after having his ass handed to him two consecutive times. I'm also complaining that he is filler to stall skrullshit from going down. Also complaining that Strange is gone. also complaining that he may come back sooner than I'd like him to.


-T

[Tanjint]

what books did acts of vengeance happen in?

-T

[Edogawa1983]

what books did acts of vengeance happen in?

-T

wikipedia is your friend...

[Dalarsco2]

i can appreciate that logic


what is acts of vengeance exactly? it sounds hella familiar.

-T
Here is a link to a good article about it: http://www.comixtreme.com/forums/showthread.php?t=30976&highlight=Worlds+Collide

[GDB]

I'm complaining that he said he already knew how to beat them again after having his ass handed to him two consecutive times.
-T
In all honesty though, the first time they got the jump on him, which is rather uncommon in the standard Hero vs Villain match-up. The second time, he had just about won, but then Dr Strange Zom'd out on everyone. If the mysterious voice was telling him that Strange, the one who beat him, was gone... why wouldn't he think he could win?

[Drcharles]

I loved the Hood, as a Villian,
Was he behind Civil War like it was suggested...................?

[Tremnar]

don't you love it when people read bits of a thread and then make smart ass remarks about it?

I'm complaining that he said he already knew how to beat them again after having his ass handed to him two consecutive times. I'm also complaining that he is filler to stall skrullshit from going down. Also complaining that Strange is gone. also complaining that he may come back sooner than I'd like him to.


-T

He is just like any other arrogant Super villain, of course he thinks he knows how to beat them. Doom always thinks he knows how to defeat Richards or he wouldn't bother. The Green Goblin must think his new plan will defeat Spider-man or else he would just stay home and be crazy. So I have no problem with the "I'LL GET YOU NEXT TIME ,INSPECTOR GADGET" line from The Hood. Every villain has said the same thing...and they always tend to be wrong.

I don't think this was filler, but I can see why you would think that, we have the Skrullectra reveal and then...the Hood? And then more Skrullyness after The Hood is beaten. I think it was good to see the NA not having to deal with Skrulls for a couple issues there, and actually fighting against some super villains instead of their friends for a change.

Strange leaving makes me think that he is a Skrull, even if he isn't. I hope he doesn't join the team again. He never really made sense as a member of this team, besides being the Deus Ex Machina.

-T-

[JdRavnos]

I'm complaining that he said he already knew how to beat them again after having his ass handed to him two consecutive times.

It was pretty obvious he was talking to the demon whom his hood and boots came from. It's quite possible that as he's suffers defeat he allows more of the demon in, thus corrupting him further but giving him insight.

[Tanjint]

"I'll get you next time!"

and

"Ow, that boot in my ass hurts...let me pull that out there...Holy crap, I know how to beat these guys next time!"

are two different situations.

vowing revenge and immediately having a revenge plan or not the same thing.

but for the record Dalarsco and JDRavnos have both presented logical reasons for the Hood doing that...it just bothered me at the time.

-T

[Tanjint]

I loved the Hood, as a Villian,
Was he behind Civil War like it was suggested...................?


where did you see this suggestion?

-T

[Tanjint]

dude, they need to collect acts of vengeance. that ____ sounds like a way more awesome version of what Bendis was trying to do here.

-T

[The Shadow]

double post

[The Shadow]

The Hood is like the Sentry...pretty damn cool in the hands of his creator but pure suck under Bendis. Bendis should just create his own characters rather than ignore what the character's about and rewrite them to suit his needs.
How did Bendis ignore what the Hood was about to suit his needs?

[The Shadow]

that ____ sounds like a way more awesome version of what Bendis was trying to do here.
Hardly comparable... Acts of Vengeance had a ton of comics involved.

Prologue

* Iron Man #250
* Thor #410
* Cloak & Dagger #8

Main Storyline

* Alpha Flight #79-80
* Amazing Spider-Man #326-328
* Avengers #311-313
* Avengers Spotlight #26-29
* Avengers West Coast #53-55
* Captain America #365-367
* Cloak & Dagger #9
* Damage Control v2 #1-4
* Daredevil #275-276
* Dr. Strange #11-13
* Fantastic Four #334-336
* Incredible Hulk v2 #363
* Iron Man #251-252
* Marc Spector: Moon Knight #8-10
* New Mutants #84-86
* Power Pack #53
* The Punisher v2 #28-29
* The Punisher War Journal #12-13
* Quasar #5-6
* Spectacular Spider-Man #158-160
* Thor #411-412
* Uncanny X-Men #256-258
* Web of Spider-Man #59-61
* Wolverine v2 #19-20
* X-Factor #50

Aftermath

* Amazing Spider-Man #329
* Web of Spider-Man #64-65

Epilogue

* Avengers Annual #19

And reading a synopsis doesn't do it (or any comic) justice because there was some crap stuff in there with a capital CRAP.

The Hood arc lasted, what, 6 issues?

[GDB]

The Hood arc lasted, what, 6 issues?
I forget if it started with issue #32 or #33, but that's either 5 or 6 issues, plus the annual. So yea, not sure why some people think this went on so long...

[Tanjint]

it didn't go on that long, especially compared to acts of vengeance, but

a)it did go on longer than it needed to (did we really need two issues of the NA kicking their asses in a row?)

b)it's stalling skrullness

-T

[The Shadow]

a)it did go on longer than it needed to (did we really need two issues of the NA kicking their asses in a row?)
Well, the Under Siege story had three issues of the Masters of Evil kicking Avenger ass.

I honestly don't think Bendis could win.

People would complain if there was no fighting (he can't write fights) or too much (two issues weren't needed).

If it had been one issue less of fighting people would have said it was decompressed but instead they're saying there was no story development.

No winning.

[GDB]

it didn't go on that long, especially compared to acts of vengeance, but

a)it did go on longer than it needed to (did we really need two issues of the NA kicking their asses in a row?)

b)it's stalling skrullness

-T
I'll agree it stalled the skrulliness, but it was better than just random filler issues would've likely been, and it was better than 6 issues of them only accusing each other of being skrulls.

And it really didn't go on that long if you were able to make it through the Collective arc, which was far and wide more decompressed. The Hood was actually a good arc, unlike Collective was.

[web_head02]

The Hood is awesome...I think he makes a great villain for the New Avengers.

How can people be sick of him already...he hasn't been back around that long.

[bebopeva88]

He felt like a filler to stall Skrull-ness six months ago and he feels like filler to stall the Skrull-ness now. Dude and his people got their asses stomped twice in this latest NA arc and he's still creeping about the shadows talking about "I know how to stop them now!" *barf* This fool's ass needs to stay stomped. he doesn't even look cool. he's just AnyWhiteGuy, USA in a red hood.

This dude is wasting my time; I bought this annual becaue I was told it wraps this hood arc up. between this and Strange leaving NA, consider NA dropped.

-T


Wahhhhh. Hood > you, and you're just bitter about it. :p

[sinosleep]

Well, the Under Siege story had three issues of the Masters of Evil kicking Avenger ass.

I honestly don't think Bendis could win.

People would complain if there was no fighting (he can't write fights) or too much (two issues weren't needed).

If it had been one issue less of fighting people would have said it was decompressed but instead they're saying there was no story development.

No winning.

Wholeheartedly agree. Comic book fans are just impossible to please it seems.

[Tanjint]

NAH, not true. I would have been down for a decompressed arc of paranoia/dialogue/skrull accusations or two issues in a row of fights with people worth fighting(like Doom, the NA should be going with the MA to face doom in latveria).

instead we get a decompressed arc, two issues of fights with cats not worth fighting.

not to mention that tease with the images of all the heroes that weren't even there. what a tease, the whole arc would have been worth it if all those heroes were actually there.

-T

[Yaw]

NAH, not true. I would have been down for a decompressed arc of paranoia/dialogue/skrull accusations or two issues in a row of fights with people worth fighting(like Doom, the NA should be going with the MA to face doom in latveria).

instead we get a decompressed arc, two issues of fights with cats not worth fighting.


what makes someone worth fighting?

[Tanjint]

Being a threat? After seeing these B-listers being beat repeatedly did we expect anyone of them to be a threat the first time the NA fought them in this arc? In the annual, after seeing all those dudes get trounced right before, did they seem like a threat?

I don't know, I'm pissed about strange leaving and how long it's taken between the skrullektra reveal and the real skrull stuff to happen so I guess I'm biased and unpleasable on the subject after all....

-T

[Grievous]

I like the Hood, I just Don't like him portrayed as a leader,

he is a lowlife scumbag that found a myterious hood, That's all, And that's not a bad thing, cool stories make it all worth while,

but he can't go down well with fans as a leader in the same vein as Kinpin, Luthor, ect ect.

his is not a leader,

BKV's Mini was excellent, but this new protrayal of him does not resonate with me as a reader as it's intended too,

[Old_Chum]

I like the Hood, I just Don't like him portrayed as a leader,

he is a lowlife scumbag that found a myterious hood, That's all, And that's not a bad thing, cool stories make it all worth while,

but he can't go down well with fans as a leader in the same vein as Kinpin, Luthor, ect ect.

his is not a leader,

BKV's Mini was excellent, but this new protrayal of him does not resonate with me as a reader as it's intended too,

I don't know if it's as much of a new portrayal for the hood as it is natural progression. At the conclusion of the Hood mini, the main idea behind the story is that the Hood is going to be "big" in the criminal world. He's nothing like Kingpin, he actually leads/free's his gang members. I really enjoy the leader that's not afraid to get his hands dirty. The Hood's a lot more like a Baron Zemo or Magneto type of leader.

[zeitgeist07]

don't you love it when people read bits of a thread and then make smart ass remarks about it?

I'm complaining that he said he already knew how to beat them again after having his ass handed to him two consecutive times. I'm also complaining that he is filler to stall skrullshit from going down. Also complaining that Strange is gone. also complaining that he may come back sooner than I'd like him to.


-T

than drop the book and stop complaining :p

life can be so easy!!! :D

[zeitgeist07]

I don't know if it's as much of a new portrayal for the hood as it is natural progression. At the conclusion of the Hood mini, the main idea behind the story is that the Hood is going to be "big" in the criminal world. He's nothing like Kingpin, he actually leads/free's his gang members. I really enjoy the leader that's not afraid to get his hands dirty. The Hood's a lot more like a Baron Zemo or Magneto type of leader.

and don't forget the Beyond mini.

[Grievous]

I don't know if it's as much of a new portrayal for the hood as it is natural progression. At the conclusion of the Hood mini, the main idea behind the story is that the Hood is going to be "big" in the criminal world. He's nothing like Kingpin, he actually leads/free's his gang members. I really enjoy the leader that's not afraid to get his hands dirty. The Hood's a lot more like a Baron Zemo or Magneto type of leader.

I see him as cool toerag kinda mercenary. That has no morals. sorta like Deathstroke,

but not like luthor, would Lexy dabble in drugs, prostitution rackets or petty crime? no.

and to me, That's a great leader, his gimmick is hating and agrravation superman, but he will lead and motivate other villains who dabble in every range of crime dr light-rape, Cheetah-Murder, metallo- lowlife Thug.

but above all, he won't applaud what they do or why they do it.

Hood needs to defined and not shoehorned into any story that suits a particular writer.

again, I love the hood mini,I proudly hold a hardcover addtion.

[Old_Chum]

I see him as cool toerag kinda mercenary. That has no morals. sorta like Deathstroke,

but not like luthor, would Lexy dabble in drugs, prostitution rackets or petty crime? no.

and to me, That's a great leader, his gimmick is hating and agrravation superman, but he will lead and motivate other villains who dabble in every range of crime dr light-rape, Cheetah-Murder, metallo- lowlife Thug.

but above all, he won't applaud what they do or why they do it.

Hood needs to defined and not shoehorned into any story that suits a particular writer.

again, I love the hood mini,I proudly hold a hardcover addtion.

Well he doesn't have morals, except to his gang. (and his daughter I suppose, but they haven't mentioned her yet).

I don't think he's been "shoehorned" into anything. Again, it's the natural progression of the character. I'm not sure why you're comparing him to Luthor. Sure they're both leaders, but they're different types of leaders. You don't always have to be the Man behind the Curtain to be a great villain. I prefer (like I said above) a leader that actually gets into the thick of things.

[Winteriscoming]

Kingpin is gone and somebody needs to fill the void. Why not the Hood? I think he is a fresh villian and I'm glad its him and not a character we've seen a hundred times.

[Doc_doom79]

I think that explains it better. I just dont like his handling of Hood, Sentry, Echo, Ares, Hawkeye, Dr Strange, etc...

[DarthBubba]

The Hood is serving many purposes:

1. Fill in for the Kingpin.
2. Creator of the new "Masters of Evil"
3. Bad-ass enough to hold his own against even the likes of Wolverine.
4. Prelude to Mephisto's bigger move against the MU.

Not to mention that's its been a long time since anyone newish in the villian catagory was able to draw this much attention. I mean really name one other NEW villian from the last few years that's worth a poop.

[Grievous]

Well he doesn't have morals, except to his gang. (and his daughter I suppose, but they haven't mentioned her yet).

I don't think he's been "shoehorned" into anything. Again, it's the natural progression of the character. I'm not sure why you're comparing him to Luthor. Sure they're both leaders, but they're different types of leaders. You don't always have to be the Man behind the Curtain to be a great villain. I prefer (like I said above) a leader that actually gets into the thick of things.

purely comparing him to luthor for discussion purposes only.

but yeah a leader that go to battle with his troops is cool to,

Thanks

[Doc_doom79]

The only people who knew how to handle the Hood were Brian K Vaughn, and Dwayne McDuffie.