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MattBrady
01-02-2008, 10:17 AM
<img src="http://www.newsarama.com/marvelnew/YoungAvengers/ynavngrsprsnts03.jpg" border="0" align="right">by Benjamin Ong Pang Kean
While Young Avengers Presents #2 will tell the tale of a hybrid offspring of a Kree/Skrull mating meeting his plucked out of space/time father for the first time, Roberto Aguirre-Sacasa’s story in March’s issue #3 will see the Young Avengers’ resident warlock and his super-fast twin brother on a quest to find their mother, who’s one of the most reviled, misunderstood mutants in history: Wanda Maximoff aka the Scarlet (“no more mutants”) Witch.
We caught up with the openly gay playwright/comic book writer about writing a gay character and his twin brother.
Newsarama: Roberto, were you approached to write this standalone one-shot or did you bring the idea to Marvel after having read about these characters in Allan Heinberg's Young Avengers?
Roberto Aguirre-Sacasa: Awhile back, Tom Breevort and Warren Simons and I were talking about what characters I might be interested in writing, and Wiccan came up early and often, for a lot of reasons. I liked that he had supernatural/magical powers, I liked his “voice,” I like his relationship with Hulkling, I liked his weird origin, with ties to Wanda and Mephisto. I remember thinking that Wiccan could be the Marvel Universe’s version of Harry Potter. So when Young Avengers Presents came together, Tom e-mailed me and said: “Do you still want to take a crack at Wiccan…?” And I was like: “Yeah, absolutely.”
NRAMA: Did you enjoy Young Avengers? What was it about the concept that caught your attention?
RAS: I loved Young Avengers, of course. I think it worked not just as a kick-ass super hero adventure—which it did—but also as a crackling, soapy teen relationship drama with the punchiest dialogue this side of an Aaron Sorkin script, which is what really appealed to me.
NRAMA: Now, how different was it to write a one-shot where you've got to cramp everything into 22 pages as compared to exploring the characters in an arc, say as you did in Marvel Knights 4, Nightcrawler or Sensational Spider-Man?
RAS: You know, there’s something really liberating about the one-shot. You have to get in and get out fast, and really zero-in on your target. You really aren’t structuring your story like a movie or a five-act play by Shakespeare (which is what I do sometimes). What was cool about this project was how much dialogue there was among the writers. I mean, I got an e-mail from Ed Brubaker, for God’s sake! As synopses and scripts were turned in, Tom would circulate them to the rest of us, so there really could be some cohesion to the series. I know that I, for instance, definitely picked up on some threads from the other books. Not so much in hard plot, but in tone, character, and style.
NRAMA: Like Wiccan, you're an openly gay playwright/comic book writer. Do you think that Allan did a good job portraying the relationship between Wiccan and Hulkling in the pages of Young Avengers?
RAS: Allan’s great with character, period. He’s great with straight characters, he’s great with gay characters, and he’s great with non-human characters. What was especially fresh about Wiccan and Hulking, I think, is that readers got to see the bloom of young love (a dynamic we read about all the time, in everything from the X-Men books to Mary Jane Loves Spider-Man) happen between two teenaged boys. And Marvel’s always had gay characters, but they’re usually older, right? And not a whole lot of time is spent exploring their personal lives.
NRAMA: Was it tough for you to write a gay character?
RAS: I’m not sure, but I think that one of the dangers of being a Gay Writer writing a Gay Character (note capitalization) is that everything becomes about them being Gay—and, therefore, reductive. I know that when I’m writing a play that has gay characters, I’m really conscious of keeping the play from becoming a Gay Play—as opposed to a play that happens to have gay characters, if you know what I mean... Look, I think representation is great—and if a character I’m writing can be gay or straight, I’m happy to make them gay (and usually do)—but I become less interested in the project or character when they become mouth-pieces for Gay Issues. (Not that there aren’t gay issues worth exploring—coming out, homophobia, gay marriage—but you want to sneak that stuff in, I think.) Was I glad for the opportunity…? Definitely. It makes me want to dust-off that Northstar pitch Warren Simons and I have been talking about for months… (Which is basically <i>Queer as Folk</i> set in Toronto, following around Northstar and his, uh, pals…)
NRAMA: Allan has said in an interview that his plans for Season 2 of Young Avengers involved both Wiccan and Speed searching for their mother. And you're doing just that in your one-shot, aren't you? How much of this story came from you?
RAS: When Tom called me, he had very basic parameters, some very basic suggestions. He wanted Speed included in the Wiccan one-shot, for instance, and if it could focus on them looking for Wanda, that would be great. Then, when I started to hear what the other writers had planned, it seemed that a unifying theme to the whole series could be the Young Avengers coming to terms with their past, their parents, etc. So why not, you know? And anything that lets me include some of Marvel’s supernatural characters—in this case, Master Pandemonium—is a good idea, as far as I’m concerned. Also, I’ve always had a soft spot in my heart for speedster super heroes—(Mark Waid’s run on Flash remains one of my favorite uber-stories in comics)—so it was great to be able to throw Speed into the mix… And I have an older brother, so that’s a dynamic—sibling rivalry between brothers—that I’m always happy to explore.
NRAMA: Where do you see the Young Avengers heading next?
RAS: Oh, man, I have no clue… I mean, I know Alan has strong, specific ideas, but I’m not sure what they are… Though now, with the WGA Strike a reality (maybe a long-term reality), Season Two of Young Avengers may happen sooner that later... (I know that while I’m taking this, uh, break from writing for Big Love, I’m focusing on my comic book writing and playwriting…)
Young Avengers Presents #3 (featuring Wiccan & Speed) is due in stores on March 26, 2008.
Related stories:
ED BRUBAKER ON YOUNG AVENGERS PRESENTS: PATRIOT (http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?t=139259)
BRIAN REED ON YOUNG AVENGERS PRESENTS #2: HULKLING (http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?t=141381)
DrBat
01-02-2008, 10:33 AM
Looking forward to it. :)
Marius665
01-02-2008, 10:35 AM
I'm getting all of these Young Avengers one-shots:D
looking forward to all the talent taking on all the so different versions
is there going to be a Vision one-shot?
as for the Vision, he has a GPS of all the next wave of Avengers in his head, wouldn't Stark use this to build up his 50 state thingy???
RoiVampire
01-02-2008, 10:35 AM
Wiccan looks very feminine in that pose
DrBat
01-02-2008, 10:41 AM
is there going to be a Vision one-shot?
That's #4. It'll be written by Paul Cornell (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Cornell).
red-maverick
01-02-2008, 10:42 AM
I'm getting all of these Young Avengers one-shots:D
looking forward to all the talent taking on all the so different versions
is there going to be a Vision one-shot?
as for the Vision, he has a GPS of all the next wave of Avengers in his head, wouldn't Stark use this to build up his 50 state thingy???
Isn't Vision anti-reg?
But yeah I agree, this should be pretty awsome. I hope there'll be a Vision one-shot and also a Stature.
DaVeO
01-02-2008, 10:44 AM
Wiccan looks very feminine in that pose
Well, if you had the ability to levitate, would you always hover around with your legs splayed wide-open so any low flying bird could crash into your jewels? ;)
CaptainCanad
01-02-2008, 10:48 AM
Isn't Vision anti-reg?
He registered post-war (see Mighty Avengers #1).
The creative teams/characters for issues five and six haven't been announced yet; there were originally only five issues, suggesting the girls were going to share one. Now there are six, so they may each get their own, or the sixth may be a team issue.
Timberoo
01-02-2008, 10:54 AM
looking forward to it
Flint Reloaded
01-02-2008, 10:56 AM
Can't wait....very interested in the Speed character. I usually dig the arrogant and/or cocky heroes (Namor, Quicksilver, Human Torch, etc)
When Young Avengers was first announced, I HATED teh idea. Marvel teased another Avengers book. Sweet! Maybe we'll get a classic team instead of the Defenders cast we had/have running around (New ) Avengers. Color me disappointed.
Then I read it and really enjoyed it. My only dislikes in the book is Kate taking teh name Hawkeye and the Vision being a kid.
I guess with the parenting theme the Vision book will focus on the Vision and Ultron and maybe some Kang or Henry Pym thrown in.
Stature will feature Scott Lang somehow
Hawkeye (Mockingbird dammit!) will either be about her rich daddy or maybe Clint himself
xdemon
01-02-2008, 11:06 AM
It makes me want to dust-off that Northstar pitch Warren Simons and I have been talking about for months… (Which is basically Queer as Folk set in Toronto, following around Northstar and his, uh, pals…)
That could be fun!
Marius665
01-02-2008, 11:07 AM
when Patriot and Hawkeye ran into Clint Barton dressed as Cap, did either of them ever tell anyone 'cause I know Clint hasn't in NA?
I wonder how Luke and the rest of the team would feel knowing Clint dressed up as Cap and conversed with Stark?
anyways, Young Avengers 2 needs to hurry up and come out, all I keep hearing about is a Young Masters of Evil, instead of calling it YA 2 why dont they just issue it # 13
DrBat
01-02-2008, 11:12 AM
I agree it should be #13, but I'm guessing they've decided to reboot it because of the long hiatus.
gjskier
01-02-2008, 11:15 AM
So, because of the WGA strike... there's a better chance of Young Avengers (season 2) starting up again?
Too bad something like that has to occur to get the comics we've been wanting, also that I'll have to wait on new shows in exchange for new comics. Such sacrafices. :) Tisk.
ryanrhome
01-02-2008, 11:15 AM
What are the remaining YA spotlights? Someone above said the next one is Vision and then? I like how each cover has old pictures of the characters they are emulating or related to (Captains America and Marvel, Scarlet Witch).
von Doom, M.D.
01-02-2008, 11:16 AM
As I mentioned on the board for the article on Hulkling, I love these characters, but cannot see what makes them so special that only Heinberg can write them.
And Kristoff Vernard as Kid Doom or else the entire concept fails.
DrBat
01-02-2008, 11:26 AM
What are the remaining YA spotlights? Someone above said the next one is Vision and then? I like how each cover has old pictures of the characters they are emulating or related to (Captains America and Marvel, Scarlet Witch).
There was originally going to be five issues in all, now there's six.
So either #5 and #6 will focus on Kate and Cassie separately, or #5 will focus on Kate and Cassie and #6 will focus on the whole team.
Scarlet Mage
01-02-2008, 11:27 AM
Let me get this straight: Speed and Wiccan's souls found new bodies after they were dissolved as babies. That means they were basically reincarnated and born to other women who conceived them with their husbands.
The women that conceived, gave birth, and raised these kids are their mothers. Scarlet Witch is their mother in a past life. It just seems disrespectful to say that a woman who had nothing to do with making them who they are is their mother.
I think I'd rather see Sacasa on a season 2 of Young Avengers than Heinberg, actually.
know_access
01-02-2008, 11:38 AM
when Patriot and Hawkeye ran into Clint Barton dressed as Cap, did either of them ever tell anyone 'cause I know Clint hasn't in NA?
IIRC, Patriot and Hawkeye II never knew it was Clint under the CA mask.
DrBat
01-02-2008, 11:44 AM
Let me get this straight: Speed and Wiccan's souls found new bodies after they were dissolved as babies. That means they were basically reincarnated and born to other women who conceived them with their husbands.
The women that conceived, gave birth, and raised these kids are their mothers. Scarlet Witch is their mother in a past life. It just seems disrespectful to say that a woman who had nothing to do with making them who they are is their mother.
I think it's similiar to an adopted child wanting to find his biological mother. It's not like anyone's arguing their other mothers don't count.
Marius665
01-02-2008, 11:48 AM
IIRC, Patriot and Hawkeye II never knew it was Clint under the CA mask.
but they know it wasn't the real Cap right?
TheWay
01-02-2008, 11:51 AM
It just seems disrespectful to say that a woman who had nothing to do with making them who they are is their mother.
Wow! Before we get all upset let's consider other possibilities. It's been a LOOOONG time since I read YA, but I don't remember ever hearing how these two characters came into existence. Isn't it possible that they were found abandoned in separate locations and raised by foster parents? Or maybe they appeared (came into existence) in teenage form with amnesia. I don't recall them being explained. Some one refresh my memory please. Regardless I can excuse the writers not clarify 'conception-mother'. :rolleyes:
I think the possibility of Wanda being their mom is an interesting aspect.
Ass for the feminine pose, well he is homosexual. And if I remember correctly he is the more feminine one of the couple.
DrBat
01-02-2008, 11:55 AM
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DrBat
01-02-2008, 12:14 PM
Also, this is a minor criticism, but Billy stated in Young Avengers he doesn't like the term Warlock (on being called a warlock: "Witch, actually. 'Warlock' means 'Oath-Breaker.' It's not a nice word."). Is he going to be referred to as a warlock in Young Avengers Presents?
CaptainTemerity
01-02-2008, 12:34 PM
NRAMA: Was it tough for you to write a gay character?
RAS: I’m not sure, but I think that one of the dangers of being a Gay Writer writing a Gay Character (note capitalization) is that everything becomes about them being Gay—and, therefore, reductive. I know that when I’m writing a play that has gay characters, I’m really conscious of keeping the play from becoming a Gay Play—as opposed to a play that happens to have gay characters, if you know what I mean... Look, I think representation is great—and if a character I’m writing can be gay or straight, I’m happy to make them gay (and usually do)—but I become less interested in the project or character when they become mouth-pieces for Gay Issues. (Not that there aren’t gay issues worth exploring—coming out, homophobia, gay marriage—but you want to sneak that stuff in, I think.)
I have a very similar problem being a Straight Writer attempting to write Gay Characters. I guess it just depends on the story you want to tell, and how the characters backgrounds and thoughts and such fit the situation. I have views on lots of things that most people don't know, simply because it doesn't come up.
Any story, you just want to write your characters as "people," with individual personalities and emotions, and hope it never comes out forced. But I can definitely see adding "homosexual" to the list of traits seems to add this weight to what you're trying to write, as if people will be expecting certain things from the story at that point. Hopefully, that'll wear down over time.
I'm really enjoying the interviews on these books. The people they've chosen to write each one (that I know of so far) seem spot-on, and I'm generally just happy to see Young Avengers on the stands. While I'm buying less and less from Marvel these days (Civil War and the Initiative were big turn-offs for me), this is a title I will definitely invest in.
Marius665
01-02-2008, 12:35 PM
Also, this is a minor criticism, but Billy stated in Young Avengers he doesn't like the term Warlock (on being called a warlock: "Witch, actually. 'Warlock' means 'Oath-Breaker.' It's not a nice word."). Is he going to be referred to as a warlock in Young Avengers Presents?
I like the name Warlock but we have Adam Warlock back now and it kinda sucks when 2 characters have the same name, so Wiccan might be the name from now on
how cool would it be if the YA team went to see Thor, they've met Cap and Stark already, not it's time for the other big hitter of the classic Avengers team
so New X-Men is the next generation of X-Men!
Young Avengers is the next generation of Avengers!
Arana is the next generation Spidey!
and the Runaways is the next generation of Marvel Knights?
WildcardZ
01-02-2008, 12:46 PM
As I mentioned on the board for the article on Hulkling, I love these characters, but cannot see what makes them so special that only Heinberg can write them.
And Kristoff Vernard as Kid Doom or else the entire concept fails.
Well other than the fact that him and Jim Cheug created them, the only thing that I can think of is that Marvel must have really like his ideas for his second run on the title and want to give him an opportunity to tell it. If it is anything like the first run, it will be amazing. That said, if he cannot do it, there are many more than capable writers at Marvel who could run with this series. Hell, maybe one of these writers is auditioning for the spot with these one-shots. I love YA and will definitely be picking all of them up.
DrBat
01-02-2008, 12:50 PM
I like the name Warlock but we have Adam Warlock back now and it kinda sucks when to characters have the same name, so Wiccan might be the name from now on
They're not saying his new name is going to be Warlock, but both the interview and the solicitations for Young Avengers Presents #3 referred to him as being a warlock (since most people think of warlocks as the male equivalent of witches).
In Young Avengers, whenever Billy was called a warlock he objected to the term (because the word "warlock" comes from from the word "wǣrloga," which means "traitor, oath-breaker, liar."). Hence my post.
It's just a little nitpick, though.
Crutey
01-02-2008, 01:01 PM
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In fairness none of this explains how they're teenagers when the f4 only took their space flight which transformed them 13 years ago.
Thus making all this crap with master pandemonium what say 7 years ago maximum?
So there souls just displaced the soul of the poor kids they took over?
Evil body stealing little sods these two are.
edit: The same applies for Hulking btw. The Kree Skrull war was like a decade ago Marvel time so he should be like 9.
Marius665
01-02-2008, 01:11 PM
we need Iron Lad back:D
how do you guys feel about Arana joing the team or atleast a team up?
Thephanboy
01-02-2008, 01:44 PM
im lookin forward to this series....but come on marvel....i will say this again......get the ball running on a young avengers ongoin......geez i loved the first run of it and hate not bein able to read about them on a mouthly basis
Dirk_Anger
01-02-2008, 02:27 PM
but they know it wasn't the real Cap right?
Yeah, they know it wasn't Steve, but they didn't know it was Clint underneath the mask. Hawkeye (the girl verision, not Clint) says something about how she'd drop the name if the real Hawkeye came back somehow, which I assume is something that will be touched upon post- Secret Invasion.
rwe1138
01-02-2008, 02:47 PM
I'm a huge fan of RAS' comic work, ever since 4 started. (Funnily enough, I was part of the multitude that threw a temper tantrum when it was announced that Waid was leaving the main FF title and RAS was taking over. Imagine my surprise to find that I enjoyed the spin-off title even more than the original! :D) I'll definitely be picking this mini up when it gets traded. And here's hoping for more up-coming Marvel work by RAS. I really wanna see this "Mephisto event" he's been building towards in most of his titles.
DrBat
01-02-2008, 02:48 PM
In fairness none of this explains how they're teenagers when the f4 only took their space flight which transformed them 13 years ago.
Thus making all this crap with master pandemonium what say 7 years ago maximum?
So there souls just displaced the soul of the poor kids they took over?
Evil body stealing little sods these two are.
edit: The same applies for Hulking btw. The Kree Skrull war was like a decade ago Marvel time so he should be like 9.
We don't know all the details about how Wiccan and Speed were born. It's possible something happened like their spirits went back in time when they were reincarnated.
As for Hulking; Marvel Time is screwy (Alias #22 stated that Peter was bitten fifteen years ago. Uncanny X-Men #394 had a character turning 18 who discovered that he was born on the day that Magneto attacked Cape Citadel in #1. Quentin Quire was born on the the day the Daily Bugle published the "Mutant Menace! Are they for real?" article in #14.). Is it set in stone the Kree-Skrull war was only ten years ago?
DrBat
01-02-2008, 02:52 PM
we need Iron Lad back:D
Heinberg stated he has plans for the younger Kang to return, but not as Iron Lad.
Marius665
01-02-2008, 02:57 PM
Heinberg stated he has plans for the younger Kang to return, but not as Iron Lad.
Scarlet Centurion:D
I-Ching
01-02-2008, 03:28 PM
"Wiccan" does need a new name.
Basically he's not remotely wiccan so it doesn't make sense...personally I think "Crimson Warlock" is the best/most logical one.
Hulking, your next for a new name!
I'd like to see Hulking take on the Kid Marvel or Mr. Marvel or Capt. Kree...something relating to his heritage.
Waiting for Heinberg is a mistake...this title needs to keep going...there are other writers out there who can do it...besides, anyone read his take on Wonder Woman? blah
Scarlet Mage
01-02-2008, 03:43 PM
"Wiccan" does need a new name.
Basically he's not remotely wiccan so it doesn't make sense...personally I think "Crimson Warlock" is the best/most logical one.
Hulking, your next for a new name!
I'd like to see Hulking take on the Kid Marvel or Mr. Marvel or Capt. Kree...something relating to his heritage.
Waiting for Heinberg is a mistake...this title needs to keep going...there are other writers out there who can do it...besides, anyone read his take on Wonder Woman? blah
I like Hulkling as a name but I'd be just as happy with Captain Marvel Junior, even if in only one panel as a joke.
And Wiccan is a pretty lame name and I think the creative team knew that. The dialog around the renaming sounded like it mighthave mirrored conversation in the office when theyw ere realizing they couldn't come up with anything better. What about Scarlet Mage? It's the whole reason I chose this user name after all.
The teen aspect? I've been reading comics since 1973 so I'm used to having to fill in certain aspects in my head. I just assumed there was time travel involved with the twins' reincarnation and that Hulkling's hybrid nature meant he aged many times human normal up to a point and the famed Skrull hypnosis was used to make him either not care years are missing from his memory or to put false memories in there.
BanMan
01-02-2008, 03:43 PM
edit: The same applies for Hulking btw. The Kree Skrull war was like a decade ago Marvel time so he should be like 9.
I can't speak for the other two, but I'd say you can chalk up Hulkling's "age" to his genetics. I mean he may have been raised as human but who knows how the lifecycle of Skrull/Kree hybrid works.
Caronte
01-02-2008, 03:46 PM
Marvel's Harry Potter!!!???
:P
DrBat
01-02-2008, 04:06 PM
On the name Wiccan, Heinberg said "It turns out that code names are the trickiest part of creating new characters. When Kate suggests 'Wiccan' to Billy in Young Avengers #6, she, like me, was not thinking in terms of the specific religious practice of Wicca, but rather attempting to find a suitable counterpart for the word 'witch.' It was certainly not my intention to offend anyone with 'Wiccan.' And since adopting the code name, rest assured Billy has been doing his Wiccan homework, so keep reading..."
Also, I thought I heard a while back that Wiccan would get a new name in the second series after he learned more about his powers.
Scarlet Mage
01-02-2008, 04:08 PM
What are his powers? They aren't magic like Doctor Strange uses it. I've read books where magic is defined by the user imposing his will on reality. That sounds l ike what Wiccan does...
newfoundma
01-02-2008, 04:32 PM
It is interesting that the big comic companies haven't capitalized on Potter-mania with a teenage mage. I would be all about Asgardian taking on that role.
Also, Northstar is a personal fave, so bring him back, Roberto!
JLAJRC
01-02-2008, 04:57 PM
I didn't know Roberto was a writer on Big Love. That is a great show.
PhilipAMoore
01-02-2008, 05:01 PM
I like robertos's writing he ads a feel of realisom no othere writer I know has matched yes some write realisticly but he does that with humer and that is hard read his Fantastic four his writing is one the few time the lived and breaved like real people I will proably pick this up if only they could get him to do North Star;)
good day
Crutey
01-02-2008, 06:32 PM
We don't know all the details about how Wiccan and Speed were born. It's possible something happened like their spirits went back in time when they were reincarnated.
As for Hulking; Marvel Time is screwy (Alias #22 stated that Peter was bitten fifteen years ago. Uncanny X-Men #394 had a character turning 18 who discovered that he was born on the day that Magneto attacked Cape Citadel in #1. Quentin Quire was born on the the day the Daily Bugle published the "Mutant Menace! Are they for real?" article in #14.). Is it set in stone the Kree-Skrull war was only ten years ago?
Who turned 18? (just wondering)
Anyway I based it off one of Slott's Thing issues where he had a 2nd Barmitzfa (sp?) to celebrate 13 years since his life changed. With the changing time scale its probably best to just use common sense and known character ages. e.g.
Beast was 19 a little into the uni starting and turned 30 in the late 90s so 11 years passed. Rahne was 13 in her first apperance and is now 19 so 6 years passed in all the time since 1982 (so 25 years ago...divide that by six gives 4.1) so whatever it is divided by 4.
So fantastic 4 were in 1961...47 years divided by 4 = 11.sumit so 12 to 13 years seems about right.
(Ok I know I looked sad there but I figured out the compression (by 4) thing when I was like 13 and its stuck up quite well 7 years later).
Anyway none of it matters, I love the YA and will continue to enjoy it but still doesn't fit in too well.
DrBat
01-02-2008, 06:48 PM
It was a new character who died in the same issue, who called himself Warp Savant.
Villain
01-02-2008, 07:27 PM
Very charming interview.
I was looking forward to this issue the most, and this interview really cemented that sentiment.
I can't believe so many writers want to use Northstar, yet here he is in limbo. I hope there are plans for him and his sister, Aurora.
Hopefully we will be seeing an ongoing effort including the Young Avengers sooner rather than later. If I can't get Ugly Betty, I damn well better get my Young Avengers.
Nas-Vell
01-03-2008, 06:06 PM
how cool would it be if the YA team went to see Thor, they've met Cap and Stark already, not it's time for the other big hitter of the classic Avengers team
Hey. That's a good point. I wonder if we'll ever see a Thor "sidekick" join the YA?
so New X-Men is the next generation of X-Men!
Young Avengers is the next generation of Avengers!
Arana is the next generation Spidey!
and the Runaways is the next generation of Marvel Knights?
Not sure I'd wanna oversimplify it like that, but Young Avengers and New X-Men are definitely the next-gen of their respective adult teams, yeah.
how do you guys feel about Arana joing the team or atleast a team up?
Nothing against Arana, but I'd prefer if the team kept its membership restricted to members with some kind of tie to Avengers history. And introducing a tie between Arana and any Avenger may seem a bit contrived at this stage. A team-up sounds fine.
And you know who should join this team? Bruce Banner's daughter, Scorpion! :D
As for new names for Wiccan and Hulkling, well, a buddy of mine once renamed them Warlok (which, now that we've been reminded how much Billy dislikes the term, wouldn't work) and Hybrid. I like that name for Teddy. Perhaps, like Scarlet Mage said, Wiccan could be called "Mage"?
What are his powers? They aren't magic like Doctor Strange uses it. I've read books where magic is defined by the user imposing his will on reality. That sounds like what Wiccan does...
Which sounds like chaos magic, which would make sense, considering his mom made use of chaos magic.
Looking forward to this series. Confident and happy with the writers they've gotten so far, but who are the pencilers (besides #1's, i don't think any have been announced?)
Xeero
01-06-2008, 03:17 AM
I'm interested in this only because of a play I saw of one of R.A.S.'s writing called "The Mystery Plays" at my school. Was simply amazing and the script was simply hardcore. I'll be checking this out based on his top-knotch writing.
AllPwrflStev
01-07-2008, 04:13 PM
RAS rules, he's Marvel's best writer right now hands down. I picked up Sensational strictly because MK 4 was awesome.
lombardo
01-07-2008, 09:20 PM
Which sounds like chaos magic, which would make sense, considering his mom made use of chaos magic.
In Avengers: Disassembled, Doctor Strange established that there IS no such thing as 'chaos magic' - that what the Scarlet Witch was actually doing all this time, was manipulating the very fabric of reality, over the years getting more and more bolder in her actions - the responsibilities of which (in being able to warp reality to your heart's desire) became so great she had a breakdown.
Be VERY cool if Wiccan suffers the same powers/fate. I can see Teddy dying and Wiccan sacrificing his mental health to warp reality to bring him back to life.
lombardo
01-07-2008, 09:22 PM
also, i'd like to see more investigation into how Wiccan and Speed feel about each other. i mean, hello, they're total strangers, i wanna see what it looks like when a person you usually wouldnt be caught dead associating with turns out to be your mystical magical twin brother
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