Do You Want Hush to Have a More Prominent Role?

[sweetmisery]

He is supposed to be a big villain in Gotham. He proved he deserves to be there in the Hush sequel, but then I never heard of him since. Do you want him back and have a bigger role in the DCU, esp. Gotham? Or do you want him to just appear once in a while(short arcs/one shots)?

I personally think he should be given a more important role, in which we see him more often(not a lot). Though I still think Hush shouldnt be that doctor(too obvious) but instead Todd.

[Jonathan Kan]

No. I'd rather forget all that Hush craptastic nonsense ever happened.

[rwe1138]

Wow, you actually liked the sequel? Damn.

[sweetmisery]

Huh? I never said I liked the sequel. Im just saying that Im wondering what happened to him after those events.

[Jor-L]

No. I'd rather forget all that Hush craptastic nonsense ever happened.I'm not sure which Hush nonsense you're referring to: the original story which was nonsense or the sequel material which was even more nonsense.

If we could erase the character altogether, that'd be the best choice.

[Jonathan Kan]

Well, take your pick. They're both crap. They're both nonsense. But the original saga is at fault, so if that hadn't happened, then there would be no Hush.

Damn you, Loeb!!!

[BornToRun]

No. The first story was so bad it turned me off of Batman and I haven't returned for more than three consecutive issues since (including Morrison/Dini).

[Jonathan Kan]

Do you guys remember all the hooplah people made when the story first came out? Everybody said it was genius. I always thought it was crap with good art. I tried rereading it when it ended to see what all the fuss was about, and it was even worse the second time around. The story made no sense whatsoever.

I'm guessing people liked it because of Jim Lee's art. Now imagine if it was drawn by Rob Liefeld or Howard Chaykin. It wouldn't have had the same impact and people would have seen it for the crap story it is.

[JoeZhang]

I'm not sure which Hush nonsense you're referring to: the original story which was nonsense or the sequel material which was even more nonsense.

If we could erase the character altogether, that'd be the best choice.

The sequel material didn't even have a conclusion! If I remember correctly (and like many tramuatic experiences, I try and blank it) - it finished with Batman, Hush and Joker on a rooftop and then a textbox that said

"wow - I wonder how Batman gets out of that one!" (or something similar).

[Zechs]

The original wasn't bad. Loeb literally spelled it out it Tommy was Hush in the flashbacks and all they where to show how oblivious Bruce was to Tommy's true self. Now the Hush Knight sequel was awful. Turning a Batman book staring Hush was a horrible idea. It killed the character with the constant appearances in the book. Hush lost his threat level even more Prometheus was lowered to D list status due to his time as "Hush's lackey."

Thank God Gail and that damn McKeever have saved some of Prometheus's cred back. Regardless it was an awful sequel and Hush needs two years or more away.

[jza1218]

It was lazy storytelling.

I'm sure that there are ways to make Hush a good villain, but I have yet to see it. They just went way overboard when they created him.

[KyleCowstar]

I love the original Hush story. It's a big Batman blockbuster story with great art and nice plot threads (Selina & Bruce, Harvey getting better). The character of Hush was never that cool, but the "sequel" killed all of the coolness that character had.

[d1jenkin]

see i liked Hush as a villain, there were problems with the orig. story but I still enjoyed it.

But what actually happrened in the sequel, I thought about picking it up but I thought it was too soon after the first story.

sooooo what was the plot?

[jgiannantoni]

If I never see Hush again, it would be too soon. Hush Returns killed what little that character already had. Hush, Jason, and Damian deserve the same fate IMHO.

[GotReekstah?]

I don't get the hate for the original Loeb/Lee Hush story.. never read the sequel, but I never got why everyone was so against the original.

Anyone?

[Old_Chum]

see i liked Hush as a villain, there were problems with the orig. story but I still enjoyed it.

But what actually happrened in the sequel, I thought about picking it up but I thought it was too soon after the first story.

sooooo what was the plot?

I only remember bit's and pieces of the sequel. I remember Hush chucked the Riddler threw a highrise window. Then Riddler went to the Joker for protection. Some Hush vs Joker stuff, Hush recruits Prometheus who gets he ass impaled by Green Arrow.

I think Alfred got kidnapped at one point. But later you find Hush's base (an old naval ship or something) and Alfred finds Tommy tied up looked half-dead. Basically saying that Tommy wasn't Hush. This is all very fuzzy, so some details may be lost. But that part with Tommy I remember..

[BillReed]

I never want to see or hear from Hush ever again.

[Edogawa1983]

I think people just like hating on Loeb, Hush isn't that bad.

Identity Crisis had the same non-sense ending, but people didn't hate on that.

[BillReed]

I think people just like hating on Loeb, Hush isn't that bad.

Identity Crisis had the same non-sense ending, but people didn't hate on that.

Yes we did.

[Edogawa1983]

Yes we did.

yeah, but it's not like people are still talking about it..

and here we are, taking about how crappy Hush was.

[Jonathan Kan]

Yeah, because it's Loeb we're talking about, and we always like to point out what a hack he is. :D

But seriously, Hush was bad. VERY bad. And I'm not saying this because I just happen to hate Loeb, it's just that it was lousy storytelling. But hey, I hate Loeb's writing, but I absolutely loved The Long Halloween.

I think the problem with Hush (the story) was that Loeb tried to do too much, and fell short on everything.

[Edogawa1983]

I think Loeb is the new Liefield, someone for everyone to hate on.

[SouthtownKid]

I would have liked to have seen the proposed Loeb/Lee Hush sequel, to see what they would have done with it, rather than the Gotham Knights stuff we got from a different team. But it's too late now.

[GotReekstah?]

I have yet to see any legitimate reasons WHY Hush was bad. Explain it to me.

[Michael Hawk]

Yeah, I liked him and would like to see him back. I think part of the problem with him is DC built him up as Batman's ultimate enemy but due to lack of story-telling skills, it didn't work with the fans. If they re-tool as someone who should be the ultimate enemy but isn't due to personal problems, he would probably much more interesting.

[Clockan]

i loved the hush arc but i thought the hush character was dumb... old friend who becomes a doctor hates bruce cause bruces parents died and was jealous all those years..shut up..dumb motivation to hate bruce... i liked that he was psycho and wanted his parents dead since he was a kid... but that jealousy bull was the one thing i didnt like.. i think he could be used well now that hes already here... but more as a crime lord and organizer... like a lex luther without the suit...also they need to change his look... i keep getting him confused with some guy in a team that i think beast boy was/is on

[Edogawa1983]

i loved the hush arc but i thought the hush character was dumb... old friend who becomes a doctor hates bruce cause bruces parents died and was jealous all those years..shut up..dumb motivation to hate bruce... i liked that he was psycho and wanted his parents dead since he was a kid... but that jealousy bull was the one thing i didnt like.. i think he could be used well now that hes already here... but more as a crime lord and organizer... like a lex luther without the suit...also they need to change his look... i keep getting him confused with some guy in a team that i think beast boy was/is on

I thought he hated Bruce because he told him his parents was going to be okay but his parents died..

Bruce gave him a false ray of hope only to have it become despair.

[Michael Hawk]

I thought he hated Bruce because he told him his parents was going to be okay but his parents died..

Bruce gave him a false ray of hope only to have it become despair.
No, it's because he wanted his parents to die and one of them didn't.

[Batman1983]

Both Gotham Knights and Batman failed to take advantage of the universe being reset due to IC. The mistake came from months of build up that Black Mask/Mr. Freeze, Hush, Joker, and Jason Todd were all at war with eachother. It should have ended in a grand fashion with massive action, Gotham's docks in flames, deaths, and solid character moments. Instead we got a "WTF!" ending to Batman, Black Mask's death in Catwoman, and an obviously pissed off writer giving the bird to editorial (and the fans) in Gotham Knights. None of which tied together in either continuity or general plot. I think all this led to the complete overhaul of the Batman book's staff with OYL. The nail in the coffin, for me, was that NOBODY did anything with Harvey Dent post Hush till it was OYL and he reverted to Two-Face. That means the few things that worked for HUSH got so amazingly botched (or ignored) that Batman had an almost 3 year stretch of crap to follow it. Well at least thats my opinion.

[Edogawa1983]

No, it's because he wanted his parents to die and one of them didn't.

eck, I need to read it again....I forgot the details already.

[Headache John]

I liked the original Hush story, but I like anything that gives the Riddler big ups. The sequel - the original "PushBack" story in Gotham Knights I enjoyed quite fully, but the fact that Hush became Gotham Knights villian of choice irked me.

I like the Hush character, but I think he works/would work better as a Kingpin sort of character - pulling strings, and only getting his hands dirty when absolutely necessary. I also like the fact that unlike most Batman villians, he's a guy who, for good reasons or not, simply hates Bruce Wayne, not Batman.

Edit - Having said that, I wouldn't mind not seeing him for another couple of years.

[Thanron]

He is supposed to be a big villain in Gotham. He proved he deserves to be there in the Hush sequel, but then I never heard of him since. Do you want him back and have a bigger role in the DCU, esp. Gotham? Or do you want him to just appear once in a while(short arcs/one shots)?

I personally think he should be given a more important role, in which we see him more often(not a lot). Though I still think Hush shouldnt be that doctor(too obvious) but instead Todd.

I'll take, "Not if hell froze over and Satan started selling shaved ice at ridiculous discount prices," for all the marbles, Mr. Trebech.

[Habitual]

I'd much rather see Prometheus hanging out more in Gotham.

Hab

[Sunless]

Nope. I'd much rather have Black Mask back front and centre.

[Zechs]

Yeah, I liked him and would like to see him back. I think part of the problem with him is DC built him up as Batman's ultimate enemy but due to lack of story-telling skills, it didn't work with the fans. If they re-tool as someone who should be the ultimate enemy but isn't due to personal problems, he would probably much more interesting.

Yeah but the fact was Hush Knights kept on pressing the, "Is he really Tommy?" and the fact that he was Hush God.. which is like Bat God.. but only second tier. Yet how could he be when the Riddler was the one who was behind the plan in Hush?

[hippyhunter]

I liked the Hush story and thought that he was a cool character at first. But the awfulness of Hush in Gotham Knights killed the character. DC should just ignore the character for a while and wait for somebody good to take over the character.

[Batman1983]

GK made it pretty clear Hush didn't survive that last issue (last page of story copout be darned). Batman let Joker kill him and you figure (continuity wise) Jason would then have to have kidnapped Joker setting up the last couple issues of Batman. The cop out could be that Jason, Joker and Batman survived something they shouldn't have in the last issue of Batman. Thus Hush could have been rebooted too, but I like to think on New Earth Tommy is living a happy life (or dead as 'L :p )