SPIDER-MAN SWINGS INTO WW: PHILLY

[MattBrady]

<img src="http://www.newsarama.com/Marvel/WWPhily04/Spidey1.jpg" width="175" height="265" border="0" align="right"><i>by Ryan McLelland and Matt Brady</i>

Heralding this summer as the Summer of Spider-Man, Marvel’s Spider-Man panel at WizardWorld East showcased upcoming Spider-projects, and dropped a major bomb about a character who may – or may not be – making a return in J. Michael Straczynski’s “Sins Past” storyline in <b>Amazing Spider-Man</b>.

The panel began with Joe Quesada running down the lineups of the ongoing Spider-Man titles, as well as a few upcoming special projects, including the hardcover <b>Amazing Spider-Man: 500 Covers</b> coffee table book featuring covers from <b>ASM</b> over the years.

Quesada reiterated that <b>Spectacular Spider-Man #15-#17</b> will tie in to the “Avengers Disassembled” (http://newsarama.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=13342) arc, with an appearance by Captain America, as well as physical changes to the character. Paul Jenkins writs, Mike Ryan pencils, and coves will be by Steve Epting.

Humberto Ramos returns to <b>Spectacular Spider-Man</b> with August’s #18 – which will continue the “Avengers Disassembled” tie-in.

<b>Venom vs. Carnage</b>, originally salted for a June release, has been moved back to July to guarantee that it will ship on time.

<a href="http://www.newsarama.com/Marvel/WWPhily04/AF2.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://www.newsarama.com/Marvel/WWPhily04/AF2_t.jpg" width="175" height="265" border="0" align="left"></a>The “Spider-Woman” character in <b>Amazing Fantasy</b> was the subject of discussion, and it was pointed out that, in the storyline, she doesn’t have a name, and she has no relation to any of the other female Spider-women who have made appearances over the years in the Marvel Universe.

<a href="http://www.newsarama.com/Marvel/WWPhily04/Spidey5.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://www.newsarama.com/Marvel/WWPhily04/Spidey5_t.jpg" width="175" height="265" border="0" align="right"></a>In regards to JMS’ “Sins Past” arc which begins in <b>Amazing Spider-Man #509</b>, Quesada showed a teaser slide of issue #511 with the identity of the character on the cover along with Spider-Man obscured. Teasing that the arc will shake Spider-Man to his core, and introduce two new characters with ties to his past.

Quesada then flipped to the next slide (http://www.newsarama.com/Marvel/WWPhily04/Spidey7.jpg), with the identity of the character revealed…maybe. “It could be not who you think it is, or it could be exactly who you think it is,” Quesada said.

“Sins Past” begins in June with issue #509.

<a href="http://www.newsarama.com/Marvel/WWPhily04/MJ1.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://www.newsarama.com/Marvel/WWPhily04/MJ1_t.jpg" width="175" height="265" border="0" align="left"></a>Sean McKeever again expressed his enthusiasm for the Marvel Age <b>Mary Jane</b> series, adding that it’s selling well. It was also mentioned that the <i>Mary Jane</i> novels are selling well.

Asked about what Flash Thompson has been trying to say to Peter Parker in <b>Ultimate Spider-Man</b> (he’s been trying to say something to Peter for the last few issues, but is always interrupted), it was revealed that Flash’s question will finally be asked and the issue resolved in issue #65, the last issue of the Carnage storyline.

The Ultimate Black Cat will be returning to the pages of <b>USM</b>, as will Ultimate Venom.

<a href="http://www.newsarama.com/Marvel/WWPhily04/Spidey3.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://www.newsarama.com/Marvel/WWPhily04/Spidey3_t.jpg" width="175" height="265" border="0" align="right"></a>Flash Thompson will also be featured in <b>Spectacular Spider-Man</b>, meanwhile, the four-eyes Spider-Man seen in <b>Spectacular</b>, will not be seen in the <b>Amazing</b> stories shipping at the same time.

There will be a tie in shortly between <b>The Pulse</b> and Marvel Knights’ <b>Spider-Man</b>. <b>The Pulse</b>, as described, will split its time, story-wise, between being a supporting Spider-title, and a general Marvel Universe title, with stories spinning out of both areas. The second arc of the series wil deal with Secret War, while the third will deal with the Avengers.

Talking about <b>Spider-Man/Doctor Octopus: Year One</b> by Kaare Andrews and Zeb Wells, Quesada said it was one of the best stories he’s ever read.

As was hinted at in the final issue of <b>Ultimate Six</b>, the Hobgoblin will soon be appearing in the Ultimate Universe.

When asked about the possibility of <b>Spider-Man: The End</b>, Tom Brevoort said there have been discussions about it, but he wants to make sure he gets the right people on the project, so nothing should be expected for a while.

Also, when asked about a chance of seeing Spider-Man 2099 again, Brevoort said that while the series isn’t specifically coming back, there is talk about doing a <b>2099</b> project by the end of the year, and the Spider-Man from that time period may appear.

Skottie Young’s tenure on <b>Venom</b> will last for five issues.

[Mellow Doubt]

(Possible spoiler alert)

I think there was an image glitch in the Avengers article, which showed the entirety of the unmasking image, before it got switched with the four-eyes Spidey. Was that supposed to be...Gwen Stacy?

[Kerouac]

Originally posted by Mellow Doubt
(Possible spoiler alert)

I think there was an image glitch in the Avengers article, which showed the entirety of the unmasking image, before it got switched with the four-eyes Spidey. Was that supposed to be...Gwen Stacy?

So it would appear. Whether or not it's actually her is another matter entirely, it seems.

Matt

[Strike]

I'm guessing it's the old 'twin sister' storyline. Still, JMS is usually more original than that.

[Moonbeam]

Dangit! Why did I click "next slide"???????

Aaaargh.

Oh well ... I'm sure I would have seen hype about this before then anyway.

If anyone can make an effective story about the return of ... that character ... then JMS can. I trust him.

And I love it that I'm not the only one who's being driven nutty by Flash always getting interrupted when he's trying to talk to Peter! So glad this is going to be resolved finally!

[tralfaz]

Originally posted by Mellow Doubt
(Possible spoiler alert)

I think there was an image glitch in the Avengers article, which showed the entirety of the unmasking image, before it got switched with the four-eyes Spidey. Was that supposed to be...Gwen Stacy?


thats how you do a spoiler [color=eeeeee]

[jasinmartin]

Originally posted by Moonbeam
And I love it that I'm not the only one who's being driven nutty by Flash always getting interrupted when he's trying to talk to Peter! So glad this is going to be resolved finally!

I don't recall this going on in USM, but I'm sure it'll come back to me when they pick it up in the book again...

USM is currently the only Spidey book I'm getting, but there looks like a lot of good stuff coming. I'm already signed to try out Amazing Fantasy and Mary Jane (cant pass up Miyazawa).

[OM]

Originally posted by Strike
I'm guessing it's the old 'twin sister' storyline. Still, JMS is usually more original than that. ...hey, this is JMS. Even though I don't read the <i>Spider-Wimp</i> books because I've never cared for the character, it wouldn't put it past JMS to have "Gwen" actually be <I>Captain</I> Stacy, who didn't die after all, went through a gerontological de-aging experiment that also switched his gender, suffered a severe emotional trauma in the process which, when coupled with the loss of his daughter, caused him to *become* Gwen.

Oh, wait. I forgot. JMS does more serious plots. Perhaps if Howard Chaykin was doing the book...:-P

[Christian Otte]

Originally posted by Moonbeam
Dangit! Why did I click "next slide"???????

Aaaargh.

Oh well ... I'm sure I would have seen hype about this before then anyway.

If anyone can make an effective story about the return of ... that character ... then JMS can. I trust him.

And I love it that I'm not the only one who's being driven nutty by Flash always getting interrupted when he's trying to talk to Peter! So glad this is going to be resolved finally! I doubt that it is such a major spoiler. Think about it - would Joe Q have revealed it at WizardWorld if it was? That wouldn't make any sense.

[morty5]

Originally posted by MattBrady
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As was hinted at in the final issue of <b>Ultimate Six</b>, the Hobgoblin will soon be appearing in the Ultimate Universe.

[/B]

This was hinted at?

[wakewithjake]

Harry Osborn was mumbling to Spiderman as he was taken away from the White House that "I'll Kill you all". He's gonna be the Hobgoblin. Good choice too!

Jake

[Michael P]

Y'know, the original Gwen clone is still out there somewhere...

[Sparvid]

Originally posted by Kerouac
So it would appear. Whether or not it's actually her is another matter entirely, it seems.It's her clone!

Edit: Stupid slow connection...

[cookepuss]

No she's not. The Young Eternals (?) revealed her [the clone] not to be a true clone, rather just a regular ole blond biologically altered to look and behave like Gwen. They reverted her back to here true state and sent her along on her merry way. This happened in a Spectacular Spider-Man annual I belive.

Not a Gwen clone because that clone story was resolved.

[Xaraan]

I hope it's her clone, please god don't let them destroy a meaningful loss.

[Blind Assassin]

Originally posted by morty5
This was hinted at?



SPOILERS




I think they were referring to the fact that Harry Osborne swore that he would 'see you all dead' in the final part of Ultimate Six.

He must become the hobgoblin.

[Tom Daylight]

They never killed off the Gwen clone, who originally departed in #149... they intended to, in the "Maximum Cloneage" story, but the last issue became such a hodgepodge (really) that they forgot to actually kill her and as far as anyone knows she's still out there, long forgotten.

Could always be something else, though.

[Michael P]

Originally posted by cookepuss
No she's not. The Young Eternals (?) revealed her [the clone] not to be a true clone, rather just a regular ole blond biologically altered to look and behave like Gwen. They reverted her back to here true state and sent her along on her merry way. This happened in a Spectacular Spider-Man annual I belive.

Not a Gwen clone because that clone story was resolved. But, during the Clone Saga, they retconned that ending and said it was a real clone, and brought the Gwen clone back very briefly, before she faded into character limbo again. So she's still out there.

[Jed Saxon]

If you go to Z'ha'dum you will die.

[Sean Walsh]

Well, they underwhelmed me with that unveiling....

Spoiler! I thought it'd be Uncle Ben. Or not a spoiler!

[Hdefined]

Venom vs. Carnage, originally salted for a June release, has been moved back to July to guarantee that it will ship on time.

Oh, that makes perfect sense, delay a title so that it will be on time . . .

[Prozac Man]

I just thought it was Brittany Spears :p

[Somebody]

Originally posted by cookepuss
No she's not. The Young Eternals (?) revealed her [the clone] not to be a true clone, rather just a regular ole blond biologically altered to look and behave like Gwen. They reverted her back to here true state and sent her along on her merry way. This happened in a Spectacular Spider-Man annual I belive.

Not a Gwen clone because that clone story was resolved. The retcon was retconned in Web of Spider-Man #125 and Scarlet Spider Unlimited. She's a clone. And since they never got round to killing her off, she IS still out there.

Not that I'd expect JMS to know any of this, or that Spider-Man will act as if there ever was a Gwen clone.

[gOgIver]

Has the the next artist on the Pulse been confirmed?

[DavePhipps]

It would be a huge mistake to bring Gwen back in any way - clone or not.

I really think Norman would have a clone or 2 of Harry floating around out there.

[Tom Daylight]

Originally posted by gOgIver
Has the the next artist on the Pulse been confirmed?

Yeah - ages ago - it's Brent Anderson.

[Scooby2099]

Humberto Ramos returns to Spectacular Spider-Man with August’s #18 – which will continue the “Avengers Disassembled” tie-in.
Thumbs down! While Ramos is a lot better than the recent artists they've had on Spectacular Spidey, I just don't think Ramos' style is suited for Spidey. Most of his characters look like sunken eyed zombies and he draws Peter Parker and Mary Jane like they were teenagers. And don't get me started on that revamped Green Goblin costume! Butt ugly! Anyway, Ramos is talented but I think he's better suited for books that feature younger characters (like Impulse).

[drifter13x]

Originally posted by Strike
I'm guessing it's the old 'twin sister' storyline. Still, JMS is usually more original than that.

I'm going with Green Goblin Clone on this one. Or some sort of time travel escapade.

[HBKShowstoppa]

I personally hope its Gwen then she dies at the end of Sins Past for good. That way Peter would be able to talk to herand reveal his identity then she dies. I wouldn't put it past JMS after he had Pete talk to Uncle Bens spirit at the end of #500. Many other writers would fail horribly at this but JMS has such great control over his stories he could make this great

[StoneGold]

Something being overlooked in the Gwen cover, not only does it feature some amazingly expressive art by Deodato, but it apparently features something that actually happens in the comic!

[dazzler80mi]

i just wish they would make the green goblin a little more...i don't know, actually brilliant, instead of such a freaking retarded lunatic...remember he owns one of the biggest staples of the marvel industial world, and i'm tired of them killing of villians/heroes in stories that we're by far less worthy of the character

[Michael P]

Originally posted by StoneGold
Something being overlooked in the Gwen cover, not only does it feature some amazingly expressive art by Deodato, but it apparently features something that actually happens in the comic! Wow, you're right! Wonder how that slipped past editorial...

[Driftwood]

am I the only one who doesn't like the idea of Harry being the Hobgoblin I know I'm being really really picky....but I liked the fact that Hobby was a seperate Goblin character with a secret identity....I mean for quite awhile the Hobgoblins true identity was one big roller coaster ride after the next...having Harry just take the Hobby mantle instead of the Green Goblin is dissapointing.....oh well....

[Tinnitus Tim]

Well if it's Gwen then the 'dead is dead' motto from Marvel is pretty obsolete, with Xorn's true identity in the pages of New X-Men.

So for the fans of Colossus, there is hope!

:rolleyes:

[willyd]

Originally posted by cookepuss
No she's not. The Young Eternals (?) revealed her [the clone] not to be a true clone, rather just a regular ole blond biologically altered to look and behave like Gwen. They reverted her back to here true state and sent her along on her merry way. This happened in a Spectacular Spider-Man annual I belive.

Not a Gwen clone because that clone story was resolved.

now THAT'S what I'm talking about...a little toss back to the Evolutionary War! Retcon or not, that story rocked...where the hell IS the high evolutionary these days?!?

[AlexLothos]

Originally posted by Driftwood
am I the only one who doesn't like the idea of Harry being the Hobgoblin I know I'm being really really picky....but I liked the fact that Hobby was a seperate Goblin character with a secret identity....I mean for quite awhile the Hobgoblins true identity was one big roller coaster ride after the next...having Harry just take the Hobby mantle instead of the Green Goblin is dissapointing.....oh well....

I'm not liking the thought of it either... it'd be better someone influenced by seeing the Green Goblin and trying to make his own spin off... maybe to impress Greenie.

But maybe it'll work out... I have faith in his storytelling.

[completepackage]

meanwhile, the four-eyes Spider-Man seen in Spectacular, will not be seen in the Amazing stories shipping at the same time.

it seems ultimate hob goblin and the return of gwen stacey have everyones interest, but am i the only one that noticed "four eyes" and "spider-man" were used in the same sentance???

...we got problems people...

[beta-ray]

Though I haven't really kept track of Spidey for some years now (though I bought the Dodson Spidey), I am pretty excited to see Kaare Andrew's upcoming... Also Spidey 2099! YEAH!

[ParisCub]

Originally posted by Moonbeam
And I love it that I'm not the only one who's being driven nutty by Flash always getting interrupted when he's trying to talk to Peter! So glad this is going to be resolved finally!

Well, is that really THAT difficult to guess what he wants to tell him? I mean, it's almost a cliché!

It has to be something like "Peter, I'm gay and I'm in love with you"... At least that's what I've been thinking ever since this behaviour started...

[Janin]

"Heralding this summer as the Summer of Spider-Man, Marvel’s Spider-Man panel at WizardWorld East showcased upcoming Spider-projects, and dropped a major bomb about a character who may – or may not be – making a return in J. Michael Straczynski’s “Sins Past” storyline in Amazing Spider-Man."

Grrr ... I'm getting a bad feeling already ...

"Quesada reiterated that Spectacular Spider-Man #15-#17 will tie in to the “Avengers Disassembled” arc, with an appearance by Captain America, as well as physical changes to the character. Paul Jenkins writs, Mike Ryan pencils, and coves will be by Steve Epting.
Humberto Ramos returns to Spectacular Spider-Man with August’s #18 – which will continue the “Avengers Disassembled” tie-in."

I don't pick up Spec. SM normally, just don't really care for the writing in it. Might check these issues just because they tie into the Disassembled crossover ... I guess that's the whole point of tying it in huh?

"Venom vs. Carnage, originally salted for a June release, has been moved back to July to guarantee that it will ship on time."

More overexposure for Venom. Yippee! :rolleyes:

"The “Spider-Woman” character in Amazing Fantasy was the subject of discussion, and it was pointed out that, in the storyline, she doesn’t have a name, and she has no relation to any of the other female Spider-women who have made appearances over the years in the Marvel Universe."

And I predict this series will meet the same fate as the other Spider-Woman/Girl series ... cancellation or repeated cancellations.

"In regards to JMS’ “Sins Past” arc which begins in Amazing Spider-Man #509, Quesada showed a teaser slide of issue #511 with the identity of the character on the cover along with Spider-Man obscured. Teasing that the arc will shake Spider-Man to his core, and introduce two new characters with ties to his past. "

You know, the last time they did something to shake Spider-Man to his core, they nearly ruined the character. Yep ... still have a bad feeling about this ...

"Quesada then flipped to the next slide, with the identity of the character revealed…maybe. “It could be not who you think it is, or it could be exactly who you think it is,” Quesada said. "

Oh fuck no! Why? First Norman Osborne, now this! I swear, if they bring back Gwen Stacy I will be pissed off beyond belief!!! This will just ruin a classic storyline that has such a strong impact on Peter Parker's life and be a cheap marketing ploy that will alienate fans of Spider-Man again! Looks like the clone saga is about to be outdone.

"Asked about what Flash Thompson has been trying to say to Peter Parker in Ultimate Spider-Man (he’s been trying to say something to Peter for the last few issues, but is always interrupted), it was revealed that Flash’s question will finally be asked and the issue resolved in issue #65, the last issue of the Carnage storyline."

Gee Bendis don't rush this on our account.

"The Ultimate Black Cat will be returning to the pages of USM, as will Ultimate Venom."

Didn't really care for the Ultimate Venom, but I liked Black Cat so I'm looking forward to her return.

"Flash Thompson will also be featured in Spectacular Spider-Man, meanwhile, the four-eyes Spider-Man seen in Spectacular, will not be seen in the Amazing stories shipping at the same time."

Because Spect. SM needs the sales boost from a crossover more than ASM.

"There will be a tie in shortly between The Pulse and Marvel Knights’ Spider-Man. The Pulse, as described, will split its time, story-wise, between being a supporting Spider-title, and a general Marvel Universe title, with stories spinning out of both areas. The second arc of the series wil deal with Secret War, while the third will deal with the Avengers."

Sounds like a plan. Look forward to it.

"Talking about Spider-Man/Doctor Octopus: Year One by Kaare Andrews and Zeb Wells, Quesada said it was one of the best stories he’s ever read. "

Like he's going to say it sucks. I don't care for all the SM spinoffs going on ... but I might check this book out.

"As was hinted at in the final issue of Ultimate Six, the Hobgoblin will soon be appearing in the Ultimate Universe."

One of my favorite villains! *big thumbs up* Hmmm ... are they hinting it might not be in USM?

Now if only he can be returned to his former glory in the regular MU too.

"When asked about the possibility of Spider-Man: The End, Tom Brevoort said there have been discussions about it, but he wants to make sure he gets the right people on the project, so nothing should be expected for a while."

Bleh ... no thanks. All those The End books have been a bit underwhelming. I consider them to be nothing more than Elseworld books, just not as good.

"Also, when asked about a chance of seeing Spider-Man 2099 again, Brevoort said that while the series isn’t specifically coming back, there is talk about doing a 2099 project by the end of the year, and the Spider-Man from that time period may appear."

Hey, Peter David ... you hearing this?

"Skottie Young’s tenure on Venom will last for five issues."

*yawn* Venom used to be a cool villain once.

[Switch]

What, no Spider-Girl?

[Sweeps]

Originally posted by Janin
[i] Oh fuck no! Why? First Norman Osborne, now this! I swear, if they bring back Gwen Stacy I will be pissed off beyond belief!!! This will just ruin a classic storyline that has such a strong impact on Peter Parker's life and be a cheap marketing ploy that will alienate fans of Spider-Man again! Looks like the clone saga is about to be outdone.

Not only Norman, but Aunt May. When she died at the end of issue #400, I mean, to me at least, wow. It was such a well written issue. I mean, she told Peter that she knew his secret for a while. She went out with dignity, and it affected everyone.

But when Marvel and Norman brought her back, or should I say took her out of her induced coma or whatever, God, that was so cheap. And having "May" be some sort of actress that Norman told all of Peter's secrets to? Come on!

Gwen's death has affected Peter so much over the years in the stories that they have told. Most recently in the pages of "Amazing" when he took the money he earned body guarding that old mob leader, he donated to a library and had it changed to the Gwen Stacy Library. I mean that's cool. Interestingly enough JMS wrote that.

All that will be so cheap and horrible if Marvel really brings Gwen back. If it's not her, it better not be a clone. The only clone I want to see back is Kaine. He was a cool character who killed Kraveb's son and Dr. Octopus. The good doctor had learned Spider-Man's identity, and then Marvel brought him back by using a retarded supernatural way or something who then had no memory of some things from before, one of them being Spider-Man's identity.

I really wish though they would bring back baby May. If they want to shake up the "Spider-verse" that's the way to do it. I've been waiting for that story (loose end) since the end of the Clone Saga story line.

[deathmasterj]

the one thing that realy confuses me about the current Spidey stuff is that in Amazing Spidey Peter and Mary-Jane are back together and sharing a bed and all that, but in Spectacular Peter keeps saying they are just friends and getting to know one another again. So what is it?

Otherwise i'm pretty much enjoying the spidey titles as they are (apart from the artwork on spectacular, far too cartoony, never cared for his work)

[Halo's_awesome]

Originally posted by completepackage
am i the only one that noticed "four eyes" and "spider-man" were used in the same sentance???

Nope, I noticed it too. Anybody know what the hell this is about?????

[John Berger]

I like Ramos' work. I don't get Spectacular right now, but from what I can gather, Peter wears glasses in it (four eyes spidey)? Also, that is confusing that Pete and MJ arent back together in Spec too... What's going on? Is Spec in continuity or not?

[deathmasterj]

check the thread about WW Avengers panel, it has a cover from Spec Spidey where he has four eyes, i preume something mutates Pete to be this way.

i wish they would get a bit of continuity tightened, it doesnt need to be so you have to buy every spidey book every month but something like Pete and MJ should be the same in both books.

[Justin M. Campbell]

Re: Gwen?

Am I the only one who's noticed it looks like Peter's holding the Chameleon's mask in that piece? I'm just saying that could explain . . . a lot. Also, and here's a real long shot, maybe it's the proper MU debut of Pity from Adam Troy-Castro's novels.

Thoughts?
JMC

[deathmasterj]

i hope it is the Chamaleon! Last i remember of him was Kravens son/brother/sisters wife/whoever capturing him or something.

[Halapeno]

“It could be not who you think it is, or it could be exactly who you think it is,” Quesada said."

Possible outcomes:

1) It's someone impersonating Gwen either willingly, or as the pawn of someone else.

2) It's someone who just happens to bear a striking resemblence to Gwen. A complete coincidence.

3) It's Gwen Stacy's clone.

4) It's the real Gwen Stacy.

What do all of these aforementioned possible outcomes have in common?

They're all f**king stupid.

Can we get out of the 90's please?

[Nathan Grey]

um...as far as all this goes...

the diference in relationships in the spider-books...i don't think they have said that pete and mj arent sharing a bed in spec. married couples are quite allowed to be together, and get to know each other. (that being said, i usually just figure that spec. might be a few months behind. darn that 'hypercontinuity')

flash in ultimate spidey... basically flash keeps gettin' cut off in the book when about to say something (potentially important) to pete. i think it's gonna' be something about Venom, or some villian that's gonna' bite petey in the shift244 cuz' he shoulda' been listening

[B]Gwen, (and other "dead" people) being revived...[B] this is why writers shouldn't kill charachters. because other writers are gonna' wanna' use them. that being said, i have faith in j. mike. he's seriously gained my trust in his run thus far, and given every indication that he can do this, and do it well

rock on!!

[AnimalMan#1-26]

Originally posted by cookepuss
No she's not. The Young Eternals (?) revealed her [the clone] not to be a true clone, rather just a regular ole blond biologically altered to look and behave like Gwen. They reverted her back to here true state and sent her along on her merry way. This happened in a Spectacular Spider-Man annual I belive.

Not a Gwen clone because that clone story was resolved.

Looks like someone didn't read Scarlet Spider Unlimited #1...

It essentially undid that entire Gwen Clone/Young Eternals story.

[deathmasterj]

Originally posted by Nathan Grey
the diference in relationships in the spider-books...i don't think they have said that pete and mj arent sharing a bed in spec. married couples are quite allowed to be together, and get to know each other. (that being said, i usually just figure that spec. might be a few months behind. darn that 'hypercontinuity')


In the early issues of Spec Peter keeps saying how its nice to just be friends with MJ and get to know one another again, but over in Amazing at the same time it was made very obvious that Pete and MJ wer eback together again.
I know its only a comic and i dont usually get worked up over such things but something like this annoys me a bit.

[Janin]

Originally posted by Sweeps
Not only Norman, but Aunt May. When she died at the end of issue #400, I mean, to me at least, wow. It was such a well written issue. I mean, she told Peter that she knew his secret for a while. She went out with dignity, and it affected everyone.

But when Marvel and Norman brought her back, or should I say took her out of her induced coma or whatever, God, that was so cheap. And having "May" be some sort of actress that Norman told all of Peter's secrets to? Come on!

Gwen's death has affected Peter so much over the years in the stories that they have told. Most recently in the pages of "Amazing" when he took the money he earned body guarding that old mob leader, he donated to a library and had it changed to the Gwen Stacy Library. I mean that's cool. Interestingly enough JMS wrote that.

All that will be so cheap and horrible if Marvel really brings Gwen back. If it's not her, it better not be a clone. The only clone I want to see back is Kaine. He was a cool character who killed Kraveb's son and Dr. Octopus. The good doctor had learned Spider-Man's identity, and then Marvel brought him back by using a retarded supernatural way or something who then had no memory of some things from before, one of them being Spider-Man's identity.

I really wish though they would bring back baby May. If they want to shake up the "Spider-verse" that's the way to do it. I've been waiting for that story (loose end) since the end of the Clone Saga story line. Yeah ... I hated the whole undoing of ASM #400 too. Granted, JMS has done some great things with her character in his book, but I still find the whole "that was actually a clone of Aunt May who died" excuse to be one of the dumbest things I have ever read.

Her death was really a turning point in the whole saga of Peter Parker. It moved him away from the done to death storylines of him hiding his secret identity from his aunt. I'm just glad JMS totally undid that completely.

Marvel and clones just do not go well together. Especially since that's their most popular excuse used to bring back a dead character.

[Christian Otte]

Originally posted by deathmasterj
In the early issues of Spec Peter keeps saying how its nice to just be friends with MJ and get to know one another again, but over in Amazing at the same time it was made very obvious that Pete and MJ wer eback together again.
I know its only a comic and i dont usually get worked up over such things but something like this annoys me a bit. Aren't they kissing and all that in the newest issues of Spectacular Spider-Man?

[deathmasterj]

Originally posted by Christian Otte
Aren't they kissing and all that in the newest issues of Spectacular Spider-Man?

possibly, but in the first 7 or 8 issues at least Peter kept saying stuff about them takingt hings slowly, yet he'd already bedded her over in Amazing!

Nice webcomic by the way, damn good stuff :D

[AnimalMan#1-26]

Originally posted by ParisCub
Well, is that really THAT difficult to guess what he wants to tell him? I mean, it's almost a cliché!

It has to be something like "Peter, I'm gay and I'm in love with you"... At least that's what I've been thinking ever since this behaviour started...

Marvel characters aren't allowed to be gay anymore, it seems. Note that everyone keeps citing Rawhide Kid as one of the justifications for demoting Jemas.

It's all rather sickening, really. People keep talking about Marvel reverting to the '90s, but it seems like Marvel is actually reverting to pre-Stonewall or something.

A few homophobic assholes complain because a character they probably didn't really care about in the first place is revealed to be gay, and suddenly Marvel is back pedaling. It's interesting that there has been very little follow through on the whole Northstar as positive gay role model in Chuck Austen's X-Men stories. Maybe its a coincidence, but I have to wonder....

Meanwhile DC still has prominent gay characters in the Authority and Green Lantern, and the earth hasn't shattered as a result. Of course, they could take this further by making some prominet characters gay. I mean hell, 10% of people are estimated to be gay, it seems ridiculous that you can could the number of gay comic characters in mainstream comics on your fingers.

[Halo's_awesome]

Originally posted by Halapeno
“It could be not who you think it is, or it could be exactly who you think it is,” Quesada said."

Possible outcomes:

1) It's someone impersonating Gwen either willingly, or as the pawn of someone else.

2) It's someone who just happens to bear a striking resemblence to Gwen. A complete coincidence.

3) It's Gwen Stacy's clone.

4) It's the real Gwen Stacy.

What do all of these aforementioned possible outcomes have in common?

They're all f**king stupid.

Can we get out of the 90's please?

I'm afraid I have to agree with this. I hope I'm pleasantly surprised, but I can't imagine this ending in a way that doesn't make it seem like a stupid stunt. I guess we'll find out.

[arthur]

Originally posted by John Berger
I like Ramos' work. I don't get Spectacular right now, but from what I can gather, Peter wears glasses in it (four eyes spidey)? Also, that is confusing that Pete and MJ arent back together in Spec too... What's going on? Is Spec in continuity or not?

Unfortunately Jenkins stories are lagging like 1 year behind Amazing.

[SS-XVIII]

Liz Allan? Eh? Eh?