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JetSpandex
09-14-2007, 08:51 AM
I remember all the hullaballoo. Infinite Crises was the huge shakeup, things would never be the same. A new start, a brave new world. But what exactly happened after the crises? Disaster. Infinite crises was a huge sucess commercially, but its after effects were anything but. Heres a rundown.

1: The Flash: Much was made of Wallys demise and the rise of a new Flash. Even though Flash was one of DCs highest selling books, they went ahead with plans to not only kill Wally, but replace him with an older Bart, a character who was loved by titans readers. What happened next was a no brainer. The series written by 2 screen writers with little or no comic book experience tanked, Bart was killed (seriously the most pointless death of all time) and Wally was brought back. And to make matters worse we were told "it was the plan all along". So let me get this straight. It was always the plan to move Bart from Titans, age him, and then kill him in less than 12 issues. Great plan that.

2: Wonder Woman: A title that historically was never really a sales topper, but in its current format was doing very well for itself was completely overhauld. They give it the retro treatment and all of a sudden its rife with missed dealines, non sensical plots and unfinished stories. Does anyone else think it was fine the way it was?

3: Kuberts on Batman/superman: Seriously when have the boys ever been able to keep up a monthly schedule. At least Lee/Quitely/Miller have never professed to being able to keep up a monthly scheule. But Batman and Super man are books that MUST hit shelves on time. Delays are absoultly unacceptable on these books. Filler ins are almost as bad.

4: JLA: A slow paced start from Meltzer that got better at the end, will now make way for another writer on the book. JLA (like almost all books) is at its best when there is a constant team over time. The book is just not what it should be for DCs premier team book. JSA gets a constant creative team, and the quality shows.

5: Ion: Learn from your mistakes. When GLs get new identities it never works and they always revert back to the original concept. Instead of helping Kyle, you made him more hated by taking Jade in the process. Thank god for Geoff Johns is all I can say.

6: Nightwing: Ok I must confess that I enjoyed the first few Jones issues. But what was the thinking behind turning NW into a model/girly boy. NW fans waited years for a new start and instead they got a whole bunch of new crap.

Granted there were some successes. Checkmate is a good read, 52 was incredible. But really the aftermath as a whole really didnt go well. The biggest evidence of all - the sales. Marvels well thought out, well constructed megaevents have been on the whole great reads. Their premier writers are able to deliver a schedule and their premier artist can deliver also. Those that cant arnt doing monthly titles.

I think its time for a change, but Im not talking about a cross over or Mega event.

MrJasonTodd
09-14-2007, 09:49 AM
i thiought that they made the martian manhunter cool. well, cooler for me that is, i readly dont know how he was before hand.

Evil Twin
09-14-2007, 09:54 AM
Yeah, most of that doesn't appear to have much staying power. It seems to me that DC wants The All New Atom and Blue Beetle to stick, but most of the OYL and Brave New World initial ideas have passed.

Post-52 seems to be off to a much stronger start with Metal Men and Booster Gold in particular.

Herald
09-14-2007, 11:47 AM
The Brave New World learned Fear. :cool:

deganawida
09-14-2007, 11:54 AM
The DCU got hopped up on soma and went to catch some feelies ;)

Kelson
09-14-2007, 12:13 PM
And to make matters worse we were told "it was the plan all along". So let me get this straight. It was always the plan to move Bart from Titans, age him, and then kill him in less than 12 issues. Great plan that.

I'm not so sure about that. From reports, it sounds like Didio was very careful with his choice of words when he said he knew Bart would be replaced within a year.

Still nonsensical, especially when they did a 6-issue origin story on a character who already had an origin, in a book they knew would only last a year. When you have a limited page count, you make as much use as possible of the pages you've got. But I suspect the idea to actually kill Bart probably came up when they started planning Countdown and all the events connected to it.

CYOTI
09-14-2007, 02:25 PM
1: The Flash: Much was made of Wallys demise and the rise of a new Flash. Even though Flash was one of DCs highest selling books, they went ahead with plans to not only kill Wally, but replace him with an older Bart, a character who was loved by titans readers. What happened next was a no brainer. The series written by 2 screen writers with little or no comic book experience tanked, Bart was killed (seriously the most pointless death of all time) and Wally was brought back. And to make matters worse we were told "it was the plan all along". So let me get this straight. It was always the plan to move Bart from Titans, age him, and then kill him in less than 12 issues. Great plan that. If you bothered reading any of the interviews with Bilson and DeMeo or Didio when FMA was being launched, they made it very clear that the Flash that first appears wouldn't be the ongoing one plus we know that Waid was in on it before the book tanked.

chap22
09-14-2007, 02:29 PM
If you bothered reading any of the interviews with Bilson and DeMeo or Didio when FMA was being launched, they made it very clear that the Flash that first appears wouldn't be the ongoing one plus we know from Mark Waid that he was in on it from the very beginning.


track-covering, most likely. remember, the first Flash that appeared was Jay, not Bart. making that vague statement allowed Dan to say "i didn't lie" whether Bart worked out and they kept him as the Flash, or whether it didn't work out and they reverted to Wally.


i don't doubt that Didio had some kind of contingency plan in mind just in case Bart-as-Flash didn't pan out (which apparently they felt it didn't), but i don't believe for a second that they re-started the book with a brand new number 1 planning all along to kill him within a year.

holtom2000
09-14-2007, 02:35 PM
I remember all the hullaballoo. Infinite Crises was the huge shakeup, things would never be the same. A new start, a brave new world. But what exactly happened after the crises? Disaster. Infinite crises was a huge sucess commercially, but its after effects were anything but. Heres a rundown.

1: The Flash: Much was made of Wallys demise and the rise of a new Flash. Even though Flash was one of DCs highest selling books, they went ahead with plans to not only kill Wally, but replace him with an older Bart, a character who was loved by titans readers. What happened next was a no brainer. The series written by 2 screen writers with little or no comic book experience tanked, Bart was killed (seriously the most pointless death of all time) and Wally was brought back. And to make matters worse we were told "it was the plan all along". So let me get this straight. It was always the plan to move Bart from Titans, age him, and then kill him in less than 12 issues. Great plan that.

2: Wonder Woman: A title that historically was never really a sales topper, but in its current format was doing very well for itself was completely overhauld. They give it the retro treatment and all of a sudden its rife with missed dealines, non sensical plots and unfinished stories. Does anyone else think it was fine the way it was?

3: Kuberts on Batman/superman: Seriously when have the boys ever been able to keep up a monthly schedule. At least Lee/Quitely/Miller have never professed to being able to keep up a monthly scheule. But Batman and Super man are books that MUST hit shelves on time. Delays are absoultly unacceptable on these books. Filler ins are almost as bad.

4: JLA: A slow paced start from Meltzer that got better at the end, will now make way for another writer on the book. JLA (like almost all books) is at its best when there is a constant team over time. The book is just not what it should be for DCs premier team book. JSA gets a constant creative team, and the quality shows.

5: Ion: Learn from your mistakes. When GLs get new identities it never works and they always revert back to the original concept. Instead of helping Kyle, you made him more hated by taking Jade in the process. Thank god for Geoff Johns is all I can say.

6: Nightwing: Ok I must confess that I enjoyed the first few Jones issues. But what was the thinking behind turning NW into a model/girly boy. NW fans waited years for a new start and instead they got a whole bunch of new crap.

Granted there were some successes. Checkmate is a good read, 52 was incredible. But really the aftermath as a whole really didnt go well. The biggest evidence of all - the sales. Marvels well thought out, well constructed megaevents have been on the whole great reads. Their premier writers are able to deliver a schedule and their premier artist can deliver also. Those that cant arnt doing monthly titles.

I think its time for a change, but Im not talking about a cross over or Mega event.


I agree with this post 100 per cent