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Slayton
09-13-2007, 01:51 AM
I'm not here to bash the issue. I simply want someone who read this to explain it to me. I haven't a single clue what happened. Please help.
Edogawa1983
09-13-2007, 01:52 AM
me too.. two guys dressing in Moon Knight costume didn't help the cause
I was JUST about to put that in the old Moon Knight thread. Huston is a total try hard, and goes out of his way to try to confuse people. Why would a book writer write such an out of place story?
He apparently confuses people. I got it, but its problem is that not many would read a story like that and got turned off. I thought it was a slightly above average story with a somewhat rushed ending.
Suayan got just a bit better, but not enough to make up for his mangled Finch style.
Headache John
09-13-2007, 02:03 AM
I actually read it, went back to my comic shop, bought another copy, and cut it up to assemble in chronological order, and I was still confused.
I like moon knight, but I thank Jesse James that this arc is over.
Huston just recently started writing the book like this.
1. He was talking to the Profile, who told him about himself and the difference as Moon Knight. Questioning just how crazy Marc is in truth.
2. He'd gone to see Marlene and try to get her back, hit her boyfriend, got kicked, and then talked to Tony Stark about registration. After talking trash, Tony left.
I don't remember, 1 could be 2 because I forgot it and I'd need #11 to see which came first. But:
3. He'd teamed up with Gena's son and worked on a plan to attack Wilde. While he was having a really stupid conversation with his assistant, MK ambushed him and almost had the upper hand. Wilde forced him into hiding where MK fought back but was caught. MK got roughed up and hooked to the clock, where Midnight tortured him.
4. With that going on, he strikes up a lecture from Khonshu. The assistant isn't feeling too good about it, while Marc's berated for being a weak avatar, and MK says he is no killer. It sets off Wilde's woman who hit him extremely hard with a sledgehammer, sending him off Moony and close to knocked out.
5. She says that since he is no killer, it should have been him to be stuck as a monster. She'd wanted him to kill her and Jeff, which is why she went along with it, stating it was the only thing that could save them. While they\re arguing, Marc sneak attacks and kill Jeff. He talks to the nurse, and says he can save her.
6. After summoning the Ricky, he has her vaporised by the copter, leaving behind the Midnight symbol and intending to go after Marlene.
Liliaeth
09-13-2007, 03:13 AM
I'm not here to bash the issue. I simply want someone who read this to explain it to me. I haven't a single clue what happened. Please help.
Hell if I know, I've been trying to read Moon Knight for a few months now and it's incohesive, annoyingly hard to understand what the hell's going on, and the ugly art of it, is definitely not helping.
Slayton
09-13-2007, 06:59 AM
Huston just recently started writing the book like this.
1. He was talking to the Profile, who told him about himself and the difference as Moon Knight. Questioning just how crazy Marc is in truth.
2. He'd gone to see Marlene and try to get her back, hit her boyfriend, got kicked, and then talked to Tony Stark about registration. After talking trash, Tony left.
I don't remember, 1 could be 2 because I forgot it and I'd need #11 to see which came first. But:
3. He'd teamed up with Gena's son and worked on a plan to attack Wilde. While he was having a really stupid conversation with his assistant, MK ambushed him and almost had the upper hand. Wilde forced him into hiding where MK fought back but was caught. MK got roughed up and hooked to the clock, where Midnight tortured him.
4. With that going on, he strikes up a lecture from Khonshu. The assistant isn't feeling too good about it, while Marc's berated for being a weak avatar, and MK says he is no killer. It sets off Wilde's woman who hit him extremely hard with a sledgehammer, sending him off Midnight and close to knocked out.
5. She says that since he is no killer, it should have been him to be stuck as a monster. She'd wanted him to kill her and Jeff, which is why she went along with it, stating it was the only thing that could save them. While they\re arguing, Marc sneak attacks and kill Jeff. He talks to the nurse, and says he can save her.
6. After summoning the Ricky, he has her vaporised by the copter, leaving behind the Midnight symbol and intending to go after Marlene.
Thanks. You explained it and I'm still unclear. Not your fault. I really like how this series started, but I fully expected by issue 12 we'd be past the "is he / isn't he" with Khonshu. Plus the back and forth intermingled scenes...this was a very frustrating read. I'm not done with the book, but this was disappointing.
Bill Brasky
09-13-2007, 07:30 AM
I was fine with this one up until the third and second to last pages, where all the different scenes met up, and each panel was from a different timeframe. Man that was confusing. I still don't know how exactly he killed the nurse. They were in a tunnel, and she was at the edge, and there was an explosion?
I still like what Huston did with the book. The insanity issues, the Profile, the dialouge's great. Yeah, he made some mistakes (the pacing in this issue) but I'm willing to forgive. I'm just glad their done with the Civil War crossover. I want me some old school Moon Knight stories now.
His helicopter pilot (whose name escapes me) killed the nurse ... basically blew her up.
I really like what Huston's done with Moon Knight, but I do have to say this issue was choppy. The shifting narrative/time sequences really made for annoying (not difficult) reading. It undermined any sort of emotional tension that this particular story was building up. I honestly think the drama of the confrontation between MK and Midnight, as well as Specter and Stark, and Specter and the Profile, would've been better served if this had been told "old school" style ... following a simple chronological ordering.
It wasn't bad, but it lacked "umph", primarily because the thing jumped around too much. The extended delay between issues didn't help either.
Great art though.
Sunless
09-13-2007, 08:52 AM
I suggest reading the whole arc again. Its fantastic.
I agree with that. Every new issue I read it all over again from the beginning, and it's better that way. Maybe it's one of those "good in trade" type of titles.
I really like what Huston's done with Moon Knight, but I do have to say this issue was choppy. The shifting narrative/time sequences really made for annoying (not difficult) reading. It undermined any sort of emotional tension that this particular story was building up. I honestly think the drama of the confrontation between MK and Midnight, as well as Specter and Stark, and Specter and the Profile, would've been better served if this had been told "old school" style ... following a simple chronological ordering.
It wasn't bad, but it lacked "umph", primarily because the thing jumped around too much. The extended delay between issues didn't help either.
Great art though.
I'm actually glad Huston tried to experiment, that's a wild and unique thing to try with the end of a storyline. I'd just be annoyed if he did that for more than three or four issues.
The art was honestly pretty good, but Stark's face was hideous. And yeah, MK and Wilde having the same suit kinda sucked.
Marc_Spector
09-13-2007, 10:50 AM
I to had to read the issue twice before understanding everything. This will definitely read better collected (same as the first arc) and I'll pick it up to read it all at one time (what can I say, all MK is good MK).
Wonder where issue #13 and the annual are gonna take us before the new crative team takes over.
SquidSquod
09-13-2007, 10:57 AM
MK desperately needs a clearer storytelling for the uninitiated to join.
Sunless
09-13-2007, 12:22 PM
MK desperately needs a clearer storytelling for the uninitiated to join.
Well it was part 6 of a 6 part story.
JustAnothaSucka
09-13-2007, 12:31 PM
love this f*ckin' comic, love the out thereness of it but as well I'm gonna have to reread this arc to actually understand wtf was going on. Art's wicked though.
bhudson1972
09-14-2007, 09:36 AM
:(
Like many of you, I didn't know what the heck happened to the nurse at the end or where the Midnight symbol came from.
Marc seems as messed up now as he was in issue one.
Also, I am so tired of seeing Khonshu in the form of Bushman. That's been going on for twelve issues too. I don't believe this series will make it to issue 24.
I was so pumped for this series at one time. I even have the bloody variant issue.
Maybe this is my fault for lacking patience, but I gave it twelve issues and I just don't feel like waiting anymore. If I want to read some good Moon Knight stories, I'll dig out my six issue mini from the 80's... The Fist of Khonshu. I love that mini.
Later,
BHudson1972
I don't believe this series will make it to issue 24.
Me neither, and it really pisses me off because I'm loving it. But most of the few people that bought it are giving it the WTF stamp. Some jackass reviewer even figured that the end of issue 12 was the beginning of issue 7.
If I want to read some good Moon Knight stories, I'll dig out my six issue mini from the 80's... The Fist of Khonshu. I love that mini.
Maybe that's the difference between Huston's taste and your own, I think he disliked it. I thought it was decent.
Floyd Lawton
09-14-2007, 10:37 AM
I didnt find it confusing AT ALL. I do think it hurt it a bit being late.
avengingtitan
09-14-2007, 10:38 AM
Yea I think this was the end of the line for me.
My head hurt so much trying to read this. Its sad this series started out really good and then the last few issues have been all over the place.
Vic Vega
09-14-2007, 10:45 AM
It would be one thing if the art was merely ugly, but the story is incoherent as well. Where did Robo-Nurse come from?
Hell if I hadn't been a long time reader of Moony I would be confused by Midnight's past too.
The only thing this story made clear is exactly HOW MUCH OF A LOSER Moon Knight actually is. Both Cap and Stark wanted no part of the guy (Cap thinks Punisher is saner and more useful than M.K.-how @##%ed up is that?).
Poor art, a boring and incomprehensible plot and no sign that any improments are on the horizion.
I'm done.
SquidSquod
09-14-2007, 12:56 PM
Moony needs a better writer that shows him as a badass. A Egyptian myth slanted arc should be a right start (with Set, Horus, Osiris, Anubis, Isis, Thoth, Sobek, etc).
Moony's getting by on hardcore fans and passers-by, I'm not sure how well that would work.
Sunless
09-14-2007, 01:11 PM
You guys need to re read the entire arc. IT MAKES SENCE.
ChrisMcFeely
09-14-2007, 03:31 PM
What I think would really help Huston's Moon Knight... just generally speaking... would be if he'd write in such a way that actually *explains* just who the *____* half these characters are and what their *deal* is. I'm enjoying the series, but I don't really know Moon Knight's history, beyond the basics. So, this "Midnight" character.. son of his old enemy the Midnight Man, became his sidekick for a while. Okay, that's explained. What might be nice to know, then, is why in the hell he's a cyborg, and who the girl with him is - especially since those are *key parts of the goddamn story.* It wouldn't have really been a big deal if they didn't play into events, but the whole idea of his being an immortal cyborg is the whole ____ing point of why he does what he does, so howzabout you tell us *how he wound up that way?* I get the feeling that a few of the other supporting characters (beyond Marlene and Frenchie) are people who have connections to Marc from older stories, but... nothing is *explained.* I'm sure I can find this stuff anywhere on the Internet, but that doesn't change the fact that Huston is writing the book as if the audience should already be totally familiar with all the history involved. That's not making it particularly accessible. I mean, we don't know 1970s-style info-dump exposition speeches, but at least try and make it so that anyone can pick up the comic and know who the heck's *appearing* in it.
Purplestain
09-15-2007, 04:22 AM
i don't see how anyone cannot love the faceless bushmaster as Konshu. I think it's hilarious.
ChrisMcFeely, I understand exactly what you mean. I would assume if you weren't already into MK this stuff would be irritating as hell. And I see the sales slipping because of that.But I also just love it, because I guess I'm one of the tiny group of people in the country that he wrote the story for.
I'll gladly send the most recent six issues of the book to a seasoned X-fan, so they could see just how freaking Claremont and Carey feel to an X-Men newb.
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