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MattBrady
08-27-2007, 09:34 AM
<img src="http://www.newsarama.com/BestShots/Aug07/Batman668.jpg" border="0" align="right"><i>by The Best Shots Team, courtesy of ShotgunReviews.com
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Another week . . . another metric ton of reviews!

Batman #668
Written by Grant Morrison
Art by J.H. Williams
Published by DC Comics
Review by Rev. O.J. Flow

If you're like me right now, you’re diggin' the hairy heck out of the latest arc of Batman brought to you by the creative uber-squad of Morrison and Williams. I keep getting the feeling that if All Star Batman was done right (for a change -- take that, Frank!), it'd be done by these guys. So the Dynamic Duo bite on an invitation from an old eccentric to visit an out-of-the-way island for a reunion of sorts with masked vigilantes from all over the world who serve as their respective country's "the Batman of..." It was a tasty concept over 50 years ago (http://www.comics.org/details.lasso?id=11842), and Morrison makes it all the more delicious by turning it into the most twisted version of Clue. But as I read this -- and over and over again because, like any good murder mystery, you look for the little things -- it occurred to me that poring over the gory details for a comprehensive review in the second act of a quality 3-part whodunit was borderline counterproductive. Get back to me in three to four weeks, yo. So I want to put it to you, the reader, about a couple of things that piqued my interest, and then some, in hopes of seeing if things pushed your buttons as well. Here's where the feedback section of Best Shots, me hopes, can be put to fun, interactive use.

First off, I have been indoctrinated into the work of Williams personally with the work here, one issue of Detective Comics, and the majesty of Seven Soldiers, though I know he's dazzled other readers elsewhere. I don't know how it eluded my eye in the first chapter ( http://www.dccomics.com/comics/?cm=7426), but I believe Williams was intentionally aping the artistic style of other contemporaries to capture specific "Batmen" from other countries. Case in point? I can't look at one panel with El Gaucho (Spain? Or Mexico? Sorry, but Morrison keeps the exposition to a base level -- the ONLY thing I have against Batman #668 -- so I was torn between EG's affiliation to our friends south of the border or across tha Atlantic in Spain) without thinking that it's the work of Howard Chaykin.

Similarly, I thought The Knight, the "Batman of Great Britain," was captured a la Ed McGuinness (http://www.thefourthrail.com/reviews/snapjudgments/110104/jlaclassified1.shtml), along with his young charge, Squire (an absolute asset to this story. I can't believe this all eluded me in the first chapter, I guess there was just so much to take in, but Wingman -- alas, Wingman -- looked a little like he was rendered through the filter of Paul Pope (http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/14.02/pope.html).

Am I the only one who was taking this concept in, or am I stretching?? I would like to put it to you, reader, as to if any of the other "Batmen," be it the Ranger (Australia), France's lead hero (help me out here, please, with the name), or the Native American Man-of-Bats and his sidekick, Little Raven (Sorry! Raven Red!) were rendered by the multi-talented J.H. Williams as an homage of sort to other artistic talents. I will say this, in no way is any possible mimicry on Williams part to be perceived as lazy of half-a$$ed. From the first page (or PAGES, worth mentioning that a terrific retro coloring format by the extraordinary Dave Stewart is employed early), right down to the last, there are eye-popping layouts, design and draftsmanship to be found throughout.

I’m also curious as to theories held by anyone else following the story as to the identity of the murderous Black Glove. I’d throw out some speculation myself, had Newsarama come with spoiler coding that allowed only those who were cool with extra details to spill. If it is actually someone with whom we’ve been properly introduced, I think I got my man, but I’d like to see some other ideas from you the reader. I’m looking forward to the next chapter within the next thirty days, and I hope you are too!

<img src="http://www.newsarama.com/BestShots/Aug07/Order02.jpg" border="0" align="left"> The Order #2
From: Marvel
Writer: Matt Fraction
Art: Barry Kitson w/Mark Morales and Dean White
Review by Troy Brownfield

The Order has problems, though not many of its own making. Right out of the gate, this Initiative title got caught in the Champions name-change controversy. In the larger picture, it has to perform well set against the various surging Avengers/”Core Marvel” titles and Avengers: Initiative itself. It seems like it's got a deck stacked against it.

None of that matters, though, as we’re two issues in and we’ve already seen that Matt Fraction plans to play this thing savagely clever. Couching the story of temporary super-heroes dealing with of-the-moment foibles and ripped-from-the-headlines mistakes, Fraction clearly aims for something different than a run-of-the-mill super-book. And it helps that he’s got a partner like Barry Kitson. Kitson, who has cranked out stellar work from L.E.G.I.O.N. to JLA: Year One to Empire and more, is completely at home here. Anyone who sees this as just another super-team book is missing some sharp writing.

On the surface, yeah, we’ve got some Big Action. A reactivated faction of Soviet Super-Soldiers strikes, and The Order has to scramble their newbie members while simultaneously deducing the Soldiers motivations and plans. This offers us a chance to see most of the cast at work, though this storyline is crosscut with a more extensive backstory interview that deals specifically with the team’s shapeshifter, Becky Ryan. Turns out that Ryan was a JessiBritney-style pop tart, and she’s had her own share of troubles prior to entering the team program. Fraction gets the balance just right, and Kitson’s smart use of repeat panels to underscore pauses and thoughtful moments is well-considered.

Thus far, The Order is a solid book that should be commanding some more attention. As the story gets to open a bit more and the Morturi-esque plot seed of temporary powers plays thru, we should see some interesting cast evolution and the possibility of many stories and approaches. Marvel’s got a sleeper hit on their hands right here.

<img src="http://www.newsarama.com/BestShots/Aug07/Five_of_Kind4.jpg" border="0" align="right"><b>Outsiders: Five of a Kind—Metamorpho/Aquaman #1
Writer: G. Willow Wilson
Artist: Joshua Middleton
From: DC
Review by J. Caleb Mozzocco</b>

I couldn't possibly care less about the impending new volume of <b>Batman and the Outsiders</b>, which will have writer Tony Bedard applying the old <b>Extreme Justice</b>/<b>Justice League Elite</b> formula to a super-team born from the ashes of Judd Winick's run on the last iteration of <b>Outsiders</b>. At least, I didn't <i>think</i> I could possibly care less, right up until the weekly series of one-shots falling under the "Five of a Kind" banner leading up to it was announced. The event seems completely free of drama or tension, in part because DC house ads and cover solicits seem to reveal the line-up already anyway, and in part because the team-ups all seem so horribly pre-destined. Does anyone really think Wonder Woman will leave the Justice League to replace Outsider Grace on a black ops team lead by Batman? Did anyone think Shazamarvel (or whatever Winick is currently calling the Hero Formerly Known As Captain Marvel), who is unable to leave the Rock of Eternity, would be joining a new super-team?

And yet this book was the one I was most looking forward to reading this week. It wasn't just the two characters being featured, both of whom I like quite a bit, but the creators.

The artist was Joshua Middleton, whose lush, painterly interior pages are always too few and too far between for my tastes, and the writer is G. Willow Wilson, a 25-year-old female Muslim journalist making her comics writing debut here. Wilson's background is different enough from most other Western super-comics writers that her debut is automatically interesting for the curiosity factor alone, and her debuting <i>here</i> of all places seems weird enough that it adds another level of curiosity (She also has a Vertigo graphic novel entitled <b>Cairo</b> schedule for release in November).

Thankfully, this is an issue that rewards curiosity. As disinterested as I am in the whole Outsiders side of things, Wilson delivers a complete and self-contained story introducing (or re-introducing, depending on your level of experience), Metamorpho and Aquaman II. The two characters are sent to the desert to stop a war over an underground lake there, one involving Simon Stagg and a mysterious protector named Hyacinth who is in possession of the Orb of Ra. (There's a two-page coda by Bedard dealing with the who makes the cut business, although I don’t know how relevant it is; the one who Batman declines is on the cover of the first few issues).

Wilson nails both characters, laying out just who they are and defining their personalities in relation to the events around them and to each other, and still finding time for a couple of superhero fights. She also shows none of the ticks or overly rough edges of someone still learning the ropes of comics writing, and doesn't seem to be visibly struggling with the medium in the way that some writers from outside comics do (Think Brad Meltzer's overwriting scenes with multiple streams of redundant information, for example, or the wordiness of Kevin Smith or Tad Williams' earlier scripts).

The only real wonkiness in the script side of things comes in a throwaway line from Rex about how his son would be about young Arthur Curry's age, because unless Superboy-Prime punched the heck out of Metamorpho's timeline, his boy probably hasn't even started kindergarten yet. Stacked up next to other recent DC continuity ____-ups, like Aquaman II playing Aquaman I in <b> JLoA #12</b> or Black Canary and Barbara Gordon misidentifing Connor Hawke's mom in last week's <b>Birds of Prey</b>, however, it could certainly be worse.

The art is, predictably, beautiful. Middleton is quite well suited to both of these characters, as well as the desert and underwater settings. Wilson also gives him a couple of neat things to draw, too, particularly a monster made out of whirling sand and another out of water. Each and every panel looks like a water color painting, and the movement between them is perfectly fluid; Middleton doesn't sacrifice storytelling to style one bit.

In both Wilson and Middleton's cases, this seems like a poor venue for their skills, but far be it from me to complain about the creators on any book being a little <I>too</I> good.

<img src="http://www.newsarama.com/BestShots/Aug07/bs2.jpg" border="0" align="left"><b>Black Summer #2
From: Avatar Press
Written By: Warren Ellis
Drawn By: Juan Jose Ryp
Reviewed By: Kevin Huxford</b>

Say what you want about the political fireball that Warren juggles in this book, but he does it deftly.

Reviewing previous issues of this series have demonstrated just what a controversial idea Ellis has fashioned into a comic book…and it is quite possible that the feedback this week will prove it yet again. But I don’t think you can find any cause if you just read what the writer carefully crafted.

As many of you reading this are all aware, the series has to do with a super-hero assassinating the President of the United States. The reasons the character gives basically make clear that the dead president is meant to be George Bush. You don’t really need to know more to know why this is controversial.

On the surface, it makes the book seem like it is just part of the pile on of the PotUS. With how large the assassination (and our assassin’s reasons) loomed in issue #0, it could be easy to find justification for that thought. Ellis, though, has laid out much more for this story in the issues that have followed.

In this issue, the focus is much more on introducing us to the rest of the Seven Guns, which appears to be the only super-human group that exists in this book’s world. We really get to see more of the dynamic of this group unfolding before our eyes. The least important elements of this issue (starkly contrasting previous issues) would be Tom (our entry point character) and John Horus (our assassin). No, instead we get introductions to what is left of the Seven Gun team and window into their personalities largely through how they bounce off Tom or the consequences of John’s actions.

Our writer largely does a great job with showing how fractured and dysfunctional the Seven Guns are. There are a few minor quibbles to be had (like the muttering of “bitch” by the female Guns at each other being either a bit lazy or a bit off its mark), but you get a surprisingly good feel for each of these characters without Ellis having to stop and write anything that was screamed, “listen while I tell you Character X’s backstory!”

The story, thus far, feels like organized chaos. That is meant as the greatest compliment, in this case. The President is dead at the hands of one member of what looks like a six member, super-powered terrorist cell on American soil. This world should be in chaos, while the story should never lose its ability to flow properly. Ellis never gives the appearance of letting the chaos take over his writing, which just might speak to how strong an asset Juan Jose Ryp is to this book.

Ryp’s artwork is a great artist and a perfect match for this book. His pencils aren’t meant for a calm book filled with talking heads. They have exactly the chaotic energy needed for a story like this. You’re gripped by it before you even buy the issue, if you had the chance to look at his illustration for the wraparound cover variant. If you didn’t, you’ll find a very similar scene in the book that really gets across the type of action he can pack into a splash or a panel that overwhelms the senses and works to sell the atmosphere that Ellis works so well at creating in this book.

While it is still possible that the mere subject matter of this series will turn off some readers, I feel they’d really be missing out on something special. Black Summer is a fairly unique concept with what seems to be a nearly perfect meshing of subject matter, writer, and artist. That alone should be worthy of dropping a few bucks to see if it is the kind of ride you can enjoy.

<img src="http://www.newsarama.com/BestShots/Aug07/Picture4.jpg" border="0" align="right"><b>Guy Ritchie’s Gamekeeper #4
From: Virgin Comics
Written By: Andy Diggle
Drawn By: Mukesh Singh
Reviewed By: Kevin Huxford</b>

I’m a sucker for the Director’s Cut line from Virgin Comics. I don’t know how they make it financially feasible to work with great Hollywood talent, top comic book writing talents, and unearth surprising new blood for their artwork.

<b>Gamekeeper</b> has been, by far, the most eye-opening of the bunch, in my estimation.

While the first three issues were fast-paced and felt like they were at least 50% action, this issue takes a bit of a breather. Diggle has our protagonist stalking his prey with great patience and study, which allows the writer to better flesh out the antagonists. We get to see that, as often is the case, the bloodshed is being driven by men in shirts & ties with a lot of money. There is, also, the possibility that there is more to the story than meets the eye at this time. One could get the idea that some of what has occurred to launch our tale has as much to do with the mysterious and elusive “equation” as it has to do with Brock. Diggle really spins things in a way that always keeps you watching and sometimes guessing.

The little smattering of violence we get in this issue has to do with the flashback story we’ve been getting in small doses throughout the series. Done in black and white (always a nice touch for flashbacks), it continues telling us the story of some sort of crisis where Brock’s son was kidnapped due to being in the wrong place at the wrong time. Unlike the earlier issues, this takes over about half of the issue. In many other stories, flashbacks can feel like they get in the way of the main story that you’re more interested in reading (or, in rare cases, vice versa). Diggle does a great job at letting the pressure in the final scene build to just the right level before hitting the release valve.

Mukesh Singh is a revelation on this series. His work is so impressive that I wouldn’t be surprised to read on some gossip column that he’s an established professional trying another style under a pseudonym or something similar. There’s just the right balance of roughness (essential to the type of character we’re dealing with) and smoothness (which helps keep to the cinematic feel they seem to be looking for). One of the nicest touches, I feel, is the color given to Brock’s eyes at all times. Even in the murkiest setting, his eyes seem like they are on fire. As the reader, you know he doesn’t have any powers or anything of the sort. So what it sells to the reader is how steely-eyed and focused he is. That he has a gaze that would cut right through a man like he wasn’t there. It establishes the intimidation factor that our hero possesses.

We have three great creators working on a book that grips you and keeps you in for the long haul. The only question I have about their choices is how do they expect Jason Statham to pull off the Chechen accent when he is inevitably cast in the movie version of this book?

The “No, Troy’s Not Paying Him to Write These” Section

<img src="http://www.newsarama.com/BestShots/Aug07/4thHorseman01.jpg" border="0" align="left"> The Fourth Horseman #1
From: Fangoria Comics
Written by: Jeffrey Nodelman
Art: Tommy Castillo
Reviewed by Tim Janson

The Fourth Horseman is the latest title from Fangoria Comics and perhaps its most unique so far. It is a horrific story although not what one would call a horror comic, at least not in the traditional sense. The book is set in the 1800’s and we are introduced to a savage American Indian warrior named Bear. Bear is worshipped as a God among his own people. But Bear is not the proud, noble warrior of old western lore, but rather a savage, bloodthirsty, and evil killing machine. He thrives on death, consuming the spirits of those he kills, and kill he does…a lot!

Bear slaughters the white man at every opportunity. He kills the men who guard the payroll wagon, stealing the money as the army sits helpless. The violence is graphic to the extreme as heads are decapitated, tomahawks sheer off the tops of skulls, and arrows pierce through eye sockets in a crescendo of blood and gore. There is only moderate dialog in The Fourth Horseman and none of it from the protagonist. We don’t really know what his motivations are unless it is simply to kill as many as he can. However we can surmise that each issue will feature a different member of the biblical Four Horseman of the Apocalypse. Bear is described as the White Rider, the others being Red, Brown, and Black. We will meet the Red Rider in issue number 2.

It’s interesting that writer Jeffrey Nodelman used the dynamics of an American Indian raining death on the U.S. military in what many would probably decide as a justifiable act given the treatment of Indians in the 1800’s. I wonder if the rest of the issues in the series will be similarly themed…The art by Tommy Castillo may be the best of any Fangoria title yet. I’ve been a Castillo fan for a couple of years and he’s really adept at working in any genre whether its horror, fantasy, superhero, pin-up art, etc…While I personally prefer Castillo’s work in black & white, colorist Milen Paranov does a great job of not diluting his pencils. As with the other Fangoria series’, The Fourth Horseman is a springboard for a film, this time a fully animated film. I’ll be eager to see how the story builds from here in the upcoming issues.

<img src="http://www.newsarama.com/BestShots/Aug07/Bump03.jpg" border="0" align="right"> Bump #3
From: Fangoria Comics
Written by Mark Kidwell
Art: Mark Kidwell and Jay Fotos
Reviewed by Tim Janson

You’ve got to hand it to Fangoria…they haven’t just jumped into the comic book business, they’ve cannon-balled in from the highest platform with titles that are well-written, beautifully drawn, and slickly produced. Bump was their debut title, a four issue mini-series about psycho serial killer Eddie Dill and his equally twisted mother. Dill’s motif is to cut the “naughty bits” off his female victims and place them into small drawers built into the life-size manikins known as tree-huggers, thereby giving life to the creatures. Dill was finally caught and killed back in 1976, and his house in the woods was sealed up and the road covered over so it would be forgotten. But what good is a serial killer if he can’t return from the grave?

Several stranded motorists take refuge from a storm at the old Dill place, they are welcomed warmly by Mrs. Dill and her sweet son, Eddie. As the third issue opens, only three of the guests are still alive, hiding from Eddie in the house. They are hardly safe, though, as the head of one of their friends comes crashing through the window, courtesy of the ghoulish, wooden tree-huggers, who make escape from the house impossible. Meanwhile, Sheriff Lundy is forced to postpone his retirement to go in search of the missing motorists but can he survive a woods full of tree-huggers, not to mention Dill himself? I have to say I am eagerly awaiting the final issue of Bump to see how it all plays out.

Bump is soon to be a major motion picture and the comic reads very much like you are watching a film. The composition of the panels and the sequential action have a Director’s feel to them. As one of the females hacks at the arm of a tree-hugger with a cleaver we draw in closer and closer to her face in a fit of rage until we see just her eye and part of her cheek. To the next panel we have another close-up of an eye, but this time it is Sheriff Lundy’s. This was an abrupt and very cinematic cut-away in the action. I also loved the sequence with on of Lundy’s deputies as he’s in his car with the rain pounding down upon the windshield. The rain drains down the window in the shape of Dill’s face, scaring the bejeezus out of the Deputy. Again, a really well done sequence.

Kidwell and Fotos’ art is “bloody good” and their tree-huggers are some of the most unique and terrifying creatures that I’ve seen in a comic in a long time. Great series!


Pellet Reviews!

Spider-Man Visionaries: Roger Stern vol. 1 (Marvel; by Mike): Roger Stern is one of the great, and under-rated, superhero comic book writers of all time. This collection is certainly proof of that. Stern shows an amazing knack for not reinventing established characters. He recognizes the aspects of Spider-Man that first appealed to readers when Stan and Steve spun their first webs twenty years before Stern got his chance, and Stern echoes those classic elements amidst a sea of new circumstances and characters. Cooing-over-Peter Deb Whitman feels alive on the pages, and Spidey’s wisecracks are genuinely witty. The villains push Spider-Man hard, yet never feel gratuitously dangerous. They have goals and ambitions beyond wanton destruction. Plus, best of all, Stern understands comics and makes room for the classic imagery that first attracted us to superhero comics – the hero breaking free of chains, fast-paced chases, amazing feats of strength and agility. It’s all paced and scripted nearly pitch perfect. Plus, miraculous Marie Severin provides amazing artwork to bring the stories to life, and top-notch talents Jim Mooney, Denys Cowan and John Romita, Jr. pinch-hit when Severin’s talents were needed elsewhere, so the art never misses a beat.

<b>Blue Beetle #18 (DC; by Caleb)</b> Hey, wait a minute—Is this book <I>always</I> this much fun? I’ve tried the current volume of <b>Blue Beetle</b> twice before (#1 and #7, to be exact) and was less than impressed both times. I’d been hearing increasingly good things about it increasing often though, so thought this week’s Teen Titans team-up against Lobo seemed like it would be a good time to check it out, and man, it was a ton of fun. A very accessible done-in-one (I knew and still know very little about Blue Beetle III and his costumeless sidekicks Paco and Brenda, and this was still an easy read). The Titans go undercover to make sure a rocket meets its appointed launch; someone hires Lobo to stop it. So BB and the Titans fight, realize it was a misunderstanding and that they all have a common enemy, and they then team up against Lobo. Nothing revolutionary, obviously, but writer John Rogers writes fun, funny teenage banter, and some of the best scenes featuring these Titans I’ve read in—well, since forever, actually. Kid Devil’s take down of the control room is absolutely priceless, as are Paco and Brenda’s reactions to the supergirls on the Titans’ costumes (“Wait, those other girls are out there flying in <I><b>skirts?!</b></I> Personally, <b><I>I</I></b> approve” and “Who fights in a belly shirt?”, respectively). Is this issue a fluke or is it always like this? Because if the latter, it sounds like I really need to hit the back issue bins.

Astonishing X-Men #22 (Marvel; by Troy): No, I don’t think he is, and no, if he is, I don’t think that was the appropriate way to do it. Vague enough? Potential spoilers aside, this book is still clicking for me. Granted, I wonder every time I read it where it fits, but Whedon has a firm hold on the characters and John Cassaday’s art is superb.

X-Men #202 (Marvel; by Troy): This one’s growing on me. I wasn’t completely taken with #200, but the longer that the “Blinded by the Light” arc goes, the better that I think it is. The X-Men certainly need to rethink their rules on who joins the team, but most of that takes a back seat to some strong teamwork between Cannonball and Iceman and good bits with Kitty, Peter, and the kids. I’m not totally sold that Ramos is the perfect artist for this title, but I think that he’s doing all right. A decent enough story, but I’m still waiting for the core-X-books to catch up to the level of excitement and drive that the Avengers titles have had lately.


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Kevin Jones
08-27-2007, 09:43 AM
Re: Astonishing X-Men #22: I don't think he is either. We're not supposed to think he is. But it's still effective, and makes a lot of sense in terms of character development. I liked it.

durkadurka
08-27-2007, 09:45 AM
Ramos' Sinister is one of the greatest villain designs i've ever seen. X-Men #202 blew me away.
Astonishing...not so much, actually. It was good, sure, and it had kind of a suprise ending (yeah, he's not), but it's been so long that without having the previous issue in front of me i didn't remember what the hell was going on.
However, it seems like the current Astonishing arc has to happen before current arc in X-Men, since the student who is with the Astonishing team (can't even remember her name anymore) shows up in the fight with the Acolytes.
Blue Beetle was great, as usual. And i've been enjoying the Outsiders: Five of a Kind, although it seems like it's just becoming the original Batman and the Outsiders. Curious to see where that goes.

Edit: Hisako!! Right...?

titan
08-27-2007, 09:53 AM
The last 7-8 issues have all been excellent. Although the first 10 issues or so also had some gems in between the average ones.

Bevbos
08-27-2007, 09:56 AM
Re: Astonishing X-Men #22: I don't think he is either. We're not supposed to think he is. But it's still effective, and makes a lot of sense in terms of character development. I liked it.

I'd have to take the opposite viewpoint... I really, really, really seriously doubt he is, and therefore, I thought the moment was quite ineffective... felt like something we've seen before many a time.

Wouldn't bother to make this comment, except this book hits it out of the park often enough for me to feel quite let down by this.

durkadurka
08-27-2007, 10:00 AM
I'd have to take the opposite viewpoint... I really, really, really seriously doubt he is, and therefore, I thought the moment was quite ineffective... felt like something we've seen before many a time.

Wouldn't bother to make this comment, except this book hits it out of the park often enough for me to feel quite let down by this.
I agree, but then i also look at it like Whedon knows nobody is going to think he's dead, and we're all just expecting him to return, somehow surprising the enemy like he did in the last story arc. He's just trying to make Cyclops a badass, and so far he's been doing a pretty good job.

tbumpkins
08-27-2007, 10:02 AM
To answer you Caleb, I was basically in the same boat on Blue Beetle a couple months ago - read the first arc, stepped back for a while, and then picked it up again. Fun is about the best word to describe this book, with a dash of refreshing to boot. But it's a sincere fun, not so much a going by the numbers fun, which is what killed Deadpool and other "teen hero" books for me. Issue #17 ,I believe, is a great example of this.

pfunk70
08-27-2007, 10:03 AM
It's odd, but I've felt Blue Beetle's actually gotten better since Keith Giffen left. That and Rafael Albuquerque is an amazing artistic find. Here's hoping he stays for a long while.

Evil Twin
08-27-2007, 10:13 AM
Re: Batman #668

Here's my theory on the mystery.

The Black Glove consists of five neglected sons of Mr. Mayhew, who was more interested in his Club of Heroes than them. That's why the killer can seemingly be in more than one place at once. Also, the Dark Ranger, with his costume that totally obscures his features, has been replaced.

J. H. Williams has revealed his influences elsewhere for the heroes. Here's what I recall as being the official influences.

Man-of-Bats = Steve Rude
Red Raven = Early 70s superhero style (I see Gil Kane)
The Musketeer = Late 80s superhero style/Alan Davis (I see some Breyfogle too)
El Gaucho (from Argentina) = Howard Chaykin
Dark Ranger = Chris Sprouse (I see some Alex Toth as well.)
Knight & Squire = Ed McGuiness
Wingman = Dave Gibbons (Although I see perhaps a trace of Bolland and the general influence of Azbats.)
The Legionary = Kelley Jones (I don't really see it myself.)

Michael Ridd
08-27-2007, 10:13 AM
Blue Beetle has really become one of DC's best books, in my opinion. I think Rogers was wise to jettison the weird gang plotline that dominated the first few issues in favor of focusing more on Jaime, Paco, and Brenda. I also am really enjoying the artwork of Rafael Albuquerque. It's a perfect fit for the book and it was fun seeing his depiction of the Titans.

I also thought G. Willow Wilson did a fine job with her DC debut and I'm very interested in her Cairo OGN.

CaptainCanad
08-27-2007, 10:16 AM
El Gaucho (Spain? Or Mexico? Sorry, but Morrison keeps the exposition to a base level -- the ONLY thing I have against Batman #668 -- so I was torn between EG's affiliation to our friends south of the border or across tha Atlantic in Spain) without thinking that it's the work of Howard Chaykin.
Argentina, I believe it says in this issue.

France's lead hero (help me out here, please, with the name),
The Musketeer.

Aquajacket
08-27-2007, 10:18 AM
Blue Beetle has been pretty darn good straight through. Some issues haven't been up to the quality of the last half dozen or so, but - overall - it's been terrific.

I was stunned by how much I liked the Five of a Kind story. I just bought it because Aquaman was in it. It may have sold me on the regular series.

nonamesleft
08-27-2007, 10:20 AM
Williams was intentionally aping the artistic style of other contemporaries to capture specific "Batmen" from other countries. Case in point? I can't look at one panel with El Gaucho (Spain? Or Mexico? Sorry, but Morrison keeps the exposition to a base level -- the ONLY thing I have against Batman #668 -- so I was torn between EG's affiliation to our friends south of the border or across tha Atlantic in Spain)


A Gaucho is basically the Argentine version of a cowboy. He's from Argentina.

BradyDale
08-27-2007, 10:25 AM
What's good about the Order: Issue 2. Matt Fraction.

What's Bad: Issue 1
& why would they put the most populous and valuable state in the hand of amateurs (yes, yes... a year of training... whatever)
& the whole idea of a baseball team approach is good, but why not use any of the enormous stable of existing heroes with some experience?
& how's anyone ever going to get good with only a year?

Tobias
08-27-2007, 10:26 AM
Ble Beetle is one of the best book DC publishes. I urge everyone to try at least one issue.

M. Bloom
08-27-2007, 10:27 AM
Yes, Blue Beetle is consistently this much fun. It's invariably one of my favorite books on the weeks it comes out. I'm a huge Giffen fan, but I think the book has only grown stronger since he handed over the full writing duties to Rogers.

MichaelH
08-27-2007, 10:49 AM
<b>Blue Beetle #18 (DC; by Caleb)</b> Hey, wait a minute—Is this book <I>always</I> this much fun? ... It sounds like I really need to hit the back issue bins.


Yes, it is. And yes, you need to.

ascloseasme
08-27-2007, 10:52 AM
The Order is great.

Glad to see it made the list. Both issues have been solid -- in their story and artwork. It's a great book for the post-CW Marvel... And a great book in general.



finger paints > Ramos

ClaudioPozas
08-27-2007, 10:53 AM
Re: Metamorpho's son.

He was shown to be 8-ish during the JLA arc by Mark Waid and Bryan Hitch.

devilguy31
08-27-2007, 10:56 AM
L.E.G.I.O.N was one of my fave. DC books (especially during Kitson's run as artist and co-writer). I would be so thrilled if DC released a trade of it. I'd buy it in a heartbeat.

Chief Jon
08-27-2007, 11:04 AM
I couldn't agree more about Five of a Kind. I'll definitely be either picking up the monthly or the trades. Finally! J'onn J'onnz in a book I'm interested in. I hope they keep young Arthur around too, what with his book getting the chop.

As for Astonishing, I find it a lot more enjoyable if I just assume that everything that has happened from issue 13 on doesn't actually take place in continuity. That's the only way I can really get it to make sense. I suppose once Joss' run on the book and Messiah Complex are both finished that puzzle will probably make a clear image though.

durkadurka
08-27-2007, 11:16 AM
The Order is great.

Glad to see it made the list. Both issues have been solid -- in their story and artwork. It's a great book for the post-CW Marvel... And a great book in general.
I still don't really understand The Order. I thought the point of the Initiative was to train metahumans, not to make more of them. I would understand them doing so before the Civil War and everything, but now it doesn't really fit into why the Initiative was created in the first place.

brushwood
08-27-2007, 11:23 AM
Don't forget
Batman = Alex Ross
Robin = Mike McKone

Re: Batman #668

Here's my theory on the mystery.

The Black Glove consists of five neglected sons of Mr. Mayhew, who was more interested in his Club of Heroes than them. That's why the killer can seemingly be in more than one place at once. Also, the Dark Ranger, with his costume that totally obscures his features, has been replaced.

J. H. Williams has revealed his influences elsewhere for the heroes. Here's what I recall as being the official influences.

Man-of-Bats = Steve Rude
Red Raven = Early 70s superhero style (I see Gil Kane)
The Musketeer = Late 80s superhero style/Alan Davis (I see some Breyfogle too)
El Gaucho (from Argentina) = Howard Chaykin
Dark Ranger = Chris Sprouse (I see some Alex Toth as well.)
Knight & Squire = Ed McGuiness
Wingman = Dave Gibbons (Although I see perhaps a trace of Bolland and the general influence of Azbats.)
The Legionary = Kelley Jones (I don't really see it myself.)

DuncanHines
08-27-2007, 11:24 AM
As for Astonishing, I don't think he is either. That would be very bogus. Besides, he himself professed to being very adept at getting himself out of similar situations in Morrison's run... (trying to be vague here)...
And as for All Star Batman vs. Grant Morrison's Batman: It's a cheesesteak vs a cheeseburger. Both beefy, both cheesy, both great. I love them both. But there's times I prefer a cheesesteak to a cheeseburger.
Although, I wish they'd get it over with and just change the title of Miller's book from "All Star Batman And Robin The Boy Wonder" (wow, you kinda forget that that's the full title...) to "The Goddamn Batman." Lord knows that fits better anyway.

DeTroyes
08-27-2007, 11:33 AM
Is this issue a fluke or is it always like this? Because if the latter, it sounds like I really need to hit the back issue bins.

Always like this. You need to hit the back issue bins. :D

... and I thought Blue Beetle #18 was the best Teen Titans story I've read all year. I'm really looking forward to seeing Jamie in the pages of McKeever's Teen Titans.

0bsessions
08-27-2007, 11:46 AM
Count me among those absolutely loving the Order. Love it or hate it, some of the titles that came out of Civil War as a direct result (The Order and The Initiative in particular) have been absolute gold.

I also completely agree with the review of X-Men #202. I was rather underwhelmed by X-Men #200 (Very little or substance happened as I had read Cable/Deadpool that week beforehand and was much more impressed by that) and expected this arc to fall flat. Each issue since has ramped things up exponentially, though. I was never quite sold on Carey's run as it was pretty fun, but I hated the lineup and could care less about the new villains. Now we're seeing some established heavy hitters and the team itself has been completely decimated (By my last count, Iceman and Cannonball are about all that's still standing and not a traitor). I am loving it now.

WC Brooks
08-27-2007, 11:57 AM
Roger Stern is one of the great, and under-rated, superhero comic book writers of all time. Stern shows an amazing knack for not reinventing established characters. He recognizes the aspects of Spider-Man that first appealed to readers when Stan and Steve spun their first webs twenty years before Stern got his chance, and Stern echoes those classic elements amidst a sea of new circumstances and characters.

Roger Stern is to characterization what Tony Kornheiser is to sports.
He gets it!

From Dr. Strange (the Stern/Paul Smith run DESERVES to be in TPB) & Captain America ("War and Remembrance" is the DEFINITIVE Cap) to Spidey & Superman. Roger Stern, through thoughtful writing, reminds us why these heroes ARE HEROES!

And for my hard earned ducets, comicdom's GREATEST super-villain team vs super-hero team assault happened under Stern's watch, AVENGERS:UNDER SIEGE!
I would love to read a Roger Stern written JLA comic.

And major kudos to Mr. Stern for the creation of Monica Rambeau and Will Payton. And bringing back one of Clark Kent's best friends, Police Inspector (later Commissioner) Bill Henderson.

Roger Stern. One of the greats.

tangata manu
08-27-2007, 12:01 PM
Is this issue a fluke or is it always like this? Because if the latter, it sounds like I really need to hit the back issue bins.

everyone is already saying this but another one can´t hurt: is no fluke, this book is being consistently like this. and go hit those back issue bins.

wonderfish
08-27-2007, 12:02 PM
I have to second what everybody else is saying with BB - it took a while to hit its stride, and I honestly think having Giffen leave was very good for it - it felt like the two writers weren't meshing into a coherent book. That said, it has been reliably my favorite book out there since about issue 10 - it's clever, it interacts with the rest of the universe in a fresh and exciting way, and it's providing an accessible outsider perspective that isn't available from any other book.

So yes, hit those back-issue bins. Please. This book needs all the love it can get.

tbumpkins
08-27-2007, 12:07 PM
Tobias, I <3 your Blue beetle sig. That's basically what I meant by refreshing :p

Xero
08-27-2007, 12:11 PM
.. Dr. Strange (the Stern/Paul Smith run DESERVES to be in TPB) .....

QFT, loved his Doctor Strange, hated his Captain America, and well pretty much everything else he's ever done.

artiepants
08-27-2007, 12:25 PM
Spider-Man Visionaries: Roger Stern vol. 1 (Marvel; by Mike): Roger Stern is one of the great, and under-rated, superhero comic book writers of all time. This collection is certainly proof of that. Stern shows an amazing knack for not reinventing established characters. He recognizes the aspects of Spider-Man that first appealed to readers when Stan and Steve spun their first webs twenty years before Stern got his chance, and Stern echoes those classic elements amidst a sea of new circumstances and characters. Cooing-over-Peter Deb Whitman feels alive on the pages, and Spidey’s wisecracks are genuinely witty. The villains push Spider-Man hard, yet never feel gratuitously dangerous. They have goals and ambitions beyond wanton destruction. Plus, best of all, Stern understands comics and makes room for the classic imagery that first attracted us to superhero comics – the hero breaking free of chains, fast-paced chases, amazing feats of strength and agility. It’s all paced and scripted nearly pitch perfect. Plus, miraculous Marie Severin provides amazing artwork to bring the stories to life, and top-notch talents Jim Mooney, Denys Cowan and John Romita, Jr. pinch-hit when Severin’s talents were needed elsewhere, so the art never misses a beat.
what issues are covered in this trade?

Guru
08-27-2007, 12:41 PM
I reasonably enjoy Blue Beetle, but its hardly the best out there.

I don't know why everyone thinks that.

Its good, but its not great.

WC Brooks
08-27-2007, 01:00 PM
I reasonably enjoy Blue Beetle, but its hardly the best out there.

I don't know why everyone thinks that.

Its good, but its not great.

But it's definitely (and consistantly) on the right track.

tanzbaer
08-27-2007, 01:04 PM
Re: Batman #668

J.H. Williams did the same thing in Seven Soldiers as he used Jean Giraud's style to draw that cowboy caracter (sorry I forgot the name).

Crusader K
08-27-2007, 01:37 PM
Blue Beetle has really become one of DC's best books, in my opinion. I think Rogers was wise to jettison the weird gang plotline that dominated the first few issues in favor of focusing more on Jaime, Paco, and Brenda. I also am really enjoying the artwork of Rafael Albuquerque. It's a perfect fit for the book and it was fun seeing his depiction of the Titans.

Absolutely!

I was gonna say all that but you beat me to the punch.

I actually DID drop Beetle around issue 8 or 9 cause I just was like, "What the heck is going on?" But scrambled to pick up the issues I missed cause thats when it started to get fun and cool. Albuquerque's art is excellent and I love the teen banter between Jaime, Brenda and Paco. The fact that his best friends (and family) know who he is makes the story way different than the standard "secret identity" issues faced by heroes past.

iyamwhatiyam
08-27-2007, 01:44 PM
J. H. Williams has revealed his influences elsewhere for the heroes. Here's what I recall as being the official influences.

Man-of-Bats = Steve Rude
Red Raven = Early 70s superhero style (I see Gil Kane)
The Musketeer = Late 80s superhero style/Alan Davis (I see some Breyfogle too)
El Gaucho (from Argentina) = Howard Chaykin
Dark Ranger = Chris Sprouse (I see some Alex Toth as well.)
Knight & Squire = Ed McGuiness
Wingman = Dave Gibbons (Although I see perhaps a trace of Bolland and the general influence of Azbats.)
The Legionary = Kelley Jones (I don't really see it myself.)

Hey, thanks for that list. It crystallizes what I didn't even realize I was noticing. And I would definitely give the KJ nod to The Legionary, especially on his death page.

When I saw The Gaucho in one panel I kept blinking and checking the front of the comic because I was sure he was drawn by Chaykin. Same with Man-of-Bats/Rude. Williams is an absolute master.

Brenticles
08-27-2007, 02:09 PM
Yes Blue Beetle has been good all along, but the last few issues have been excellent. I recommend picking up the issue that guest stars Traci 13 (issue 15 or 16, I think) and every one after. If you honestly want fun comics you really need to try the last few issues of this series.

No what about JSA: Classified #29? It has an intriguing story and I think I could get into it if the art wasn't so ugly. Art is by the same guy that did the two issue Doc Mid-night story a few issues back. I think the art is so bad I can barely read the story, and I think I'd like the story. (With one nit-pick that the story places the JSA in Europe during WWII; if you don't know they had to stay away from Europe due to Nazi magical mojo.) No body looks like they should, Wildcat is wearing some sort of bear costume, Jay looks 20, and in one scene a guy that used to have eyes suddenly only has two black holes where his eyes should be. The art might work for a straight horror story but not for anything remotely related to super-heroes not even a horror super-hero story.

Ozrageous
08-27-2007, 02:17 PM
I'm not a fan of Ramos' art on X-Men. He'll be on Runaways soon so I'm curious to see how that marries together.
I have to say though, I loved the whole dynamic of Kitty and Peter and the X-kids during that whole sequence with the Marauders. It reminded me of Kitty and Peter's leadership of the Gen X kids during AoA. I think it would be a cool idea if the 2 of them became more active as mentors to the New X-kids and Cyclops and Emma stayed more Astonishing.

griffinlad
08-27-2007, 02:29 PM
I don't mind the overall story being set up in X-Men, but Carey's lack of attention to detail is irritating at best, and ruins the title at worst. Last I checked, Sinister was not even a telepath, let alone one of the five most powerful on the planet. Also, aren't there any number of precogs/time travelers in the Marvel Universe that the Marauders would need to take out for their plan to be effective?

And the continuity problems continue. Supposedly this is happening after "Search for Magik," but none of the New X-Men reflect that storyline (Anole's arm is not huge, Pixie's hair, etc.)

durkadurka
08-27-2007, 02:37 PM
I don't mind the overall story being set up in X-Men, but Carey's lack of attention to detail is irritating at best, and ruins the title at worst. Last I checked, Sinister was not even a telepath, let alone one of the five most powerful on the planet. Also, aren't there any number of precogs/time travelers in the Marvel Universe that the Marauders would need to take out for their plan to be effective?

And the continuity problems continue. Supposedly this is happening after "Search for Magik," but none of the New X-Men reflect that storyline (Anole's arm is not huge, Pixie's hair, etc.)
I don't want to argue or deny your opinion at all, but let me point a couple of things out:
Sinister suddenly being a telepath also raised an alarm for me. That made the last scene that much more powerful. I think that's Carey's plan, because Sinister was never a telepath before, especially since he's not a mutant. As far as that point goes, let's see where the story takes us. For a guy who has been an X-men fan and put in some lesser characters already (Silent Bill, Vargas, etc.) it seems like a major gaffe if unintentional. I think he's going somewhere with it.
It seems like they are really taking out people who have some connection to the X-men. I can't really think of any time travelers besides those mentioned. If you do, let me know. Same with precogs. Their list thus far is pretty good. Although i don't know how they took out the Witness. I think Carey's planning something there as well.
As for the New X-Men stuff, those are kind of superficial things. I'm more intrigued by Hisako being in that group.

jonnynyc
08-27-2007, 02:40 PM
Outsiders: Five of a Kind—Metamorpho/Aquaman #1
Review by J. Caleb Mozzocco
Metamorpho and Aquaman II. The two characters are sent to the desert to stop a war over an underground lake there, one involving Simon Stagg and a mysterious protector named Hyacinth who is in possession of the Orb of Ra.

I could swear her name was Halcyon like the pill. This issue was great. I think I like it even more knowing it was a first comic by a muslim woman. Viva diversity!

Moonbeam
08-27-2007, 02:43 PM
Great reviews.

I'll just add that the best comic I read last week was Walking Dead.

Of course, it usually is the best of the week every time it comes out.

- Vaneta

ascloseasme
08-27-2007, 03:11 PM
I still don't really understand The Order. I thought the point of the Initiative was to train metahumans, not to make more of them. I would understand them doing so before the Civil War and everything, but now it doesn't really fit into why the Initiative was created in the first place.

You should read the Q&A from last Friday. Fraction stepped in and explained that the Order specifically is part of the Initiative's effort to restore the public faith in super-heroes -- by showing how ordinary people can step up and help the community.

I'd assume the super PR-driven nature of the title also plays into that philosophy as well as the way the Order has such strict rules to show the super-heroes have to take more accountability than in days gone by.

durkadurka
08-27-2007, 03:18 PM
You should read the Q&A from last Friday. Fraction stepped in and explained that the Order specifically is part of the Initiative's effort to restore the public faith in super-heroes -- by showing how ordinary people can step up and help the community.

I'd assume the super PR-driven nature of the title also plays into that philosophy as well as the way the Order has such strict rules to show the super-heroes have to take more accountability than in days gone by.
Ok, that's fair. I just kinda wish something was said about that in the comic itself.

Snarf5181
08-27-2007, 03:19 PM
I was wondering if the one-shots you guys have reviewed over the past few months featuring John Doe from se7en will be released as a trade?

Maurice M
08-27-2007, 03:26 PM
I enjoyed BB #18 but not enough to start picking it up regularly. I found it way too boring the few times I tried it before. Really, this is the same kind of stuff I always used to hear about Manhunter (another title I never enjoyed).

ziza9
08-27-2007, 03:59 PM
Game Keeper needs some more love. So here it is. It's one of the best books on the stands. The tension, the movement of the story and the sharp artwork make it one of the most cinematic books out there. It's like picking up a new episode of a movie serial every month. Great stuff.

Ovid
08-27-2007, 04:03 PM
Add my voice to the BB fans. It's at its best when Rogers is writing it alone (as he normally, but not always, is these days).

As for the villain in Batman, I' guessing it's...

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Dark Ranger, the Aussie. In #667 he talked about how, because the bad guys are meaner, "you're almost obliged to go the bad ass route these days". He also heads in a different direction than the others after the video is played and isn't outside the building when the planes blow up. In #668, he tries to go off by himself but is followed by Raven Red who apparently has something awful done to him and later on Dark Ranger turns up late, out of nowhere, to help Batman, Gaucho and the French bloke.

The other pattern is that they're being killed in some ways that imitate their enemies, so the Legionary was killed Roman-style a la Charlie Caligula and Cyril has a bomb in him just like Springheeled Jack killed his dad. In the Agatha Christie story on which this is based, the people on the island are killed because of crimes they'd committed in the past. So the question is - who's Batman's enemy (the Riddler?) and is the whole trap supposed to be his punishment for not turning up to the second meeting? Will the French guy's killing of his enemy and profiteering from the book come back to haunt him, and what did the Legionary mean when he accused El Gaucho of exaggerating the truth?

JLAJRC
08-27-2007, 04:35 PM
I'm also a fan of BB since the beginning. But I don't think it hit it stride until about #12. They basically spent the first year introducing characters out the ying-yang (like that gang that was previously mentioned that I hope doesn't appear again). From about #12 on, it's been totally about having fun.

I also recommend Atom (although the current "Search for Ray Palmer" story isn't exactly thrilling me), Checkmate, Catwoman, and ESPECIALLY Shadowpact.

griffinlad
08-27-2007, 04:49 PM
I don't want to argue or deny your opinion at all, but let me point a couple of things out:
Sinister suddenly being a telepath also raised an alarm for me. That made the last scene that much more powerful. I think that's Carey's plan, because Sinister was never a telepath before, especially since he's not a mutant. As far as that point goes, let's see where the story takes us. For a guy who has been an X-men fan and put in some lesser characters already (Silent Bill, Vargas, etc.) it seems like a major gaffe if unintentional. I think he's going somewhere with it.
It seems like they are really taking out people who have some connection to the X-men. I can't really think of any time travelers besides those mentioned. If you do, let me know. Same with precogs. Their list thus far is pretty good. Although i don't know how they took out the Witness. I think Carey's planning something there as well.
As for the New X-Men stuff, those are kind of superficial things. I'm more intrigued by Hisako being in that group.

If Carey is hinting that Sinister has BECOME one of the world's top 5 telepaths, he didn't do a very good job, apparently. Also, I believe Sinister mentions that he doesn't need to be a telepath to use his Cerebro?

Other precogs: Madame Web? I'm sure there are more.

durkadurka
08-27-2007, 04:57 PM
If Carey is hinting that Sinister has BECOME one of the world's top 5 telepaths, he didn't do a very good job, apparently. Also, I believe Sinister mentions that he doesn't need to be a telepath to use his Cerebro?

Other precogs: Madame Web? I'm sure there are more.
I don't think sinister ever mentioned that. At least not in 202.
As for Madame web, how would the X-men even know about her? I'm sure if it weren't a crisis situation and they could go looking for somebody, but the Marauders know something is going to happen soon, before the X-men could seek any type of outside assistance, so they are taking the people they know of out now.

griffinlad
08-27-2007, 07:01 PM
Madame Web is a mutant whose powers are intact. You would think the X-Men would know about her, especially since M Day.

That said, I'm sure there are more out there. Especially time travellers.

Grievous
08-27-2007, 07:10 PM
Excellent reviews guys.

Batman is great at the moment. JH williams is really the bomb, I can't believe i have only discovered his art in the last year.

Mack
08-27-2007, 07:38 PM
I find the current arc of Morrison's BATMAN cliched. Rather than give any insight into how or why such a ridiculous concept as The International Club of Batmen, or whatever, exists, he's given us the perfunctory game of Clue with all the predictable red herrings. And, maybe I'm a lazy reader, but the art was confusing. Glove-shaped panels and red highlights are all designerly, but when characters part in one panel only to re-emerge together several panels later, or when one character gasps in horror at a scene and the next panel we are looking at a different scene, the whole thing can get muddled. Was Nighthawk hung, beheaded, fried to a crisp or all three? Maybe it will all wrap up nicely in issue three. Next it's off to ressurecting my least favorite character in the Batman universe in another of those mis-conceived crossovers with all the sidekick books. I couldn't be more disappointed if Frank Miller was writing the title.

CitC
08-27-2007, 07:50 PM
Hey, wait a minute—Is this book always this much fun? I’ve tried the current volume of Blue Beetle twice before (#1 and #7, to be exact) and was less than impressed both times. I feel the same way. I tried the first few and stopped. Didn't even bother borrowing my friend's copy. Then I pick up 16 and I am blown away. So no, it wasn't a fluke.

I also like how Ted is referenced fondly - not seen as that guy that used to be BB so who cares

CaptainCanad
08-27-2007, 08:15 PM
Sinister actually has shown some telepathic abilities in the past, although nothing that would make me consider him one of the top five in the world (but then, there are only around 200 mutants left, so the number of telepaths must be pretty small at this point). From his Wikipedia entry: (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mister_Sinister#Powers_and_abilities)
Sinister has also demonstrated certain telepathic powers in the past, including the ability to mentally paralyze a foe he’s touching, releasing his astral form, and being able to withstand a psychic assault from Psylocke or Jean Grey.

Brother Zag
08-27-2007, 09:35 PM
Hallelujah, Rev. OJ Flow! You have opened my eyes!

I've been loving J H Williams's art since Seven Soldiers #0, my first exposure to his work. I did not pick up on the nods to past artists in the characters as I read the book (twice), so your review was a third-eye opener... Thank you, Rev! As that registered, it also clicked how perfectly that compliments Grant Morrison's writing here, as he brings in the "Batmen-Of-All-Nations" from the 50s, nods to the characters of past writers. To borrow a metaphor both Williams and Morrison are familiar with, they both "stitch in" elements of the past as they weave their parts of the new story.

Morrison's ideas, his weaving, stitching and writing on this Batman run have been all star (yeah, meant it, too). The use of characters and plot elements from Batman's distant past lets Morrison both embrace and ignore continuity simultaneously. Genius.

Someone complained about the death of Wingman, and at first I didn't see it clearly myself, had to look back at the character to figure out that boxy-collar thing had been around his neck as part of his costume. Now it makes even more sense the art totally pays homage to Gibbons circa Watchmen.

I don't know who the black glove is, but hope the revelation is another "Aha!" moment. Thanks again, Rev, for helping me enjoy this book more... you're like the guy with the guitar on those Snickers ads!

I can't wait to see how this pastiche of past and present concludes!

beta-ray
08-27-2007, 11:55 PM
I feel the same way. I tried the first few and stopped. Didn't even bother borrowing my friend's copy. Then I pick up 16 and I am blown away. So no, it wasn't a fluke.


:confused: Wouldn't what you said actually make it a fluke?

jef1963
08-28-2007, 12:12 AM
I find the current arc of Morrison's BATMAN cliched. Rather than give any insight into how or why such a ridiculous concept as The International Club of Batmen, or whatever, exists, he's given us the perfunctory game of Clue with all the predictable red herrings. And, maybe I'm a lazy reader, but the art was confusing. Glove-shaped panels and red highlights are all designerly, but when characters part in one panel only to re-emerge together several panels later, or when one character gasps in horror at a scene and the next panel we are looking at a different scene, the whole thing can get muddled. Was Nighthawk hung, beheaded, fried to a crisp or all three? Maybe it will all wrap up nicely in issue three. Next it's off to ressurecting my least favorite character in the Batman universe in another of those mis-conceived crossovers with all the sidekick books. I couldn't be more disappointed if Frank Miller was writing the title.

Yeah, I was at least curious about this concept and hoped these club membersat least had a little more depth than they had in the past. The comparison to Clue is right on. I've been back with this title since #400 and this is the 2nd time in recent memory that I couldn't wait for the arc to be over....

I'd care alot more if we'd seen any of these characters since they first appeared.....

durkadurka
08-28-2007, 01:04 AM
Madame Web is a mutant whose powers are intact. You would think the X-Men would know about her, especially since M Day.

That said, I'm sure there are more out there. Especially time travellers.
Huh, you are correct about Madame Web.
As for time travellers there's Archer and Fixx, who have been in limbo as far as i know since the end of the original X-Factor. But there's still one more issue in the arc, so let's see what happens.

Amoebas
08-28-2007, 07:55 AM
I absolutely agree with everyone that's been calling Stern one of the best. My only question here is what books makeup his Visionary collection?

IronFist
08-28-2007, 09:01 AM
I'm also a fan of BB since the beginning. But I don't think it hit it stride until about #12. They basically spent the first year introducing characters out the ying-yang (like that gang that was previously mentioned that I hope doesn't appear again). From about #12 on, it's been totally about having fun.

I also recommend Atom (although the current "Search for Ray Palmer" story isn't exactly thrilling me), Checkmate, Catwoman, and ESPECIALLY Shadowpact.

I agree with all these recommendations. Imo a lot of the DC books that aren't selling big numbers are the most interesting. I kept wanting to droop Catwoman OYL but the storyline kept me coming back, especially the one where Selina had to steal Lex's snowglobe for the Calculator.

I see it wasn't reviewed but my favorite book of last week was GLC. Sinestro Corps awesomeness without a SINGLE human GL. I loved it.

CitC
08-28-2007, 04:15 PM
Wouldn't what you said actually make it a fluke? Huh? We're talking about whether or not the latest issue being a fluke or not.