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MattBrady
11-29-2002, 11:23 AM
<img src="http://classic.newsarama.com/Vertigo/pic_lrgylm6cvr.jpg" width="175" height="286" align="right" alt="Y: The Last Man #6">Who would’ve thought killing all the men on earth would be so popular? Currently neck and neck with Bill Willingham’s Fables to become Vertigo’s next “it” book, Brian Vaughan and Pia Guerra’s Y: The Last Man has met with solid success, both with sales and fans, and is growing in popularity each month. Newsarama sat down with Vaughan to discuss the series, its popularity, and its five-year run.

First, a quick recap - Y: The Last Man tells the story of Yorick Brown (and his pet monkey Ampersand), the only male survivor on the earth after a plague kills everything with a Y chromosome. Yeah, that’s the very simple version of things. You want more, click <a href="http://classic.newsarama.com/cgi-bin/ubb/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=2&t=000068" target="_blank"> here</a> for Newsarama’s original article on the series.

To be perfectly frank, Vaughan, while a solid comics writer with runs on Batman, Swamp Thing, and various fill-ins over the years, has never had the popularity he’s currently experiencing with Y, but don’t ask him to put his finger on the reason what has made Y a hit. “Who knows? I love the book, and I couldn't be more proud of it, but the only person who thought from day one that Y would be a hit was [original series editor] Heidi MacDonald.

”But if you forced me to pick just one element that contributed to the book's success, I would have to say penciller and co-creator Pia Guerra. I've been fortunate enough to work with some pretty amazing artists during my short career, but no one's ever clicked with me quite like Pia. Her ‘performances’ really sell my dialogue, and her artwork always makes an unbelievable world look and feel absolutely real. She's the best.”

While it could seem easy to say that, given his personal involvement with the title’s creation, the difference in why Y is a hit and increasing Vaughan’s image in the industry is because it’s not “just another job” of writing a corporate-owned character, the writer doesn’t fully agree.

”I don't think I've ever approached a writing assignment, whether it was Swamp Thing or an eight-page Wonder Girl back-up, as ‘just another job,’” Vaughan said. “Working at a mental hospital was just another job. Being a live-in dog butler was just another job. Writing professionally is an honor and a privilege and a joy, whether or not it's work-for-hire. That said, I think writers are almost always at their best when they're working on concepts they created. Not because we own those characters, but because we gave them life.”

<img src="http://classic.newsarama.com/DC/ylastman.jpg" width="175" height="277" align="left" border="0">Given its easily accessible story and lack of superhero trappings, Y: The Last Man could obviously be used as an ambassador to the “outside” world, used, along with many other independent and non-cape books to show a large audience of readers not familiar with comics that they’re not all about men in tights. The first person in line on the crusade to get Y into hands of readers in the outside world: Vaughan himself.

”I always wanted Y to be the kind of comic that ‘civilians’ like my girlfriend or my father could read,” Vaughan said. “I don't care whether or not they like it, but I hope they can at least digest it. To that end, Pia and I did discuss ways to make the series accessible, in terms of page layouts, etc. to people who may have only ever read the Sunday funnies.

”Again, it's a huge testament to Pia that so many first-time comic readers were able to make sense of our debut issue, which introduces dozens of characters while jumping around globally and chronologically. I like to think that we ended up with a book that's complex, but not complicated.”

Once readers are drawn in to the story of Y, its only natural that their minds start to wander and wonder about the world of Y. After all, Yorick’s story, while compelling for its own reasons, is only one of about a billion on the planet. Those other stories, as well as what happened in the gaps of the series itself, are all part of the growing file in Vaughan’s mind with a ‘Y’ on the front. But, the writer said he’s very careful about just how much he reveals.

“I know exactly what happened to Yorick, Hero and everyone else during the two months between issues one and two, for example, but I didn't show it because I wanted to get past the initial stages of mourning, confusion and terror as quickly as possible,” Vaughan said. “Those elements will always be part of the ‘unmanned world,’ and I knew it would be more interesting to rejoin the survivors after they've already started to accept what's happened.

<img src="http://classic.newsarama.com/Vertigo/pic_lrgylm7cvr.jpg" width="175" height="340" align="right" alt="Y: The Last Man #7">”If there's demand for a one-shot or something, maybe I'll go back and fill in some gaps, but in a story of this scope, there will always be cool ideas/moments/characters left on the cutting-room floor. In the end, readers will hopefully be left with sixty-odd issues of nothing but the best.”

Moving quickly through the mourning, terror and confusion quickly meant that the responses of women that were shown were only the smallest tip of the iceberg. According to Vaughan, when confronted with the idea of a world without men, there are as many responses as there are women.

”For example, I've asked every woman I know if she would ever wear makeup again if there were no more men, and I've never gotten the same response twice,” Vaughan said. “We'll be exploring all kinds of different reactions to this ‘gendercide,’ with some women clinging to the old norms of the dearly departed patriarchy, and others revolting against them.”

One of the women have a unique response to the tragedy is agent 355, the women assigned to bodyguard Yorick as he makes his way to Boston, where cloning research is reportedly underway, representing the best hope for repopulating the planet with males. While other women are upfront about the potential Yorick represents, to 355, he’s a package to be delivered, and, as their journey begins, she treats him with serious brusqueness.

One of the interesting factoids about 355 however is that she’s a secret agent, working for the Culper Ring, and is still on her “mission” despite the radical change of the planet’s makeup. What’s even more interesting than that is that the Culper Ring isn’t something Vaughan pulled from his imagination – the Culper Ring was a group of spies used by George Washington, and there was a real agent 355.

“During the American Revolution, the Culper Ring was General Washington's secret intelligence organization,” Vaughan explained. “They used invisible ink, dead drops, and triple-digit codenames centuries before that 007 loser. The original Agent 355 was a female Culper Ring spy whose true identity is still the subject of much debate amongst historians. Her relation to our Agent 355 is another mystery altogether...”

Another group of women showing a unique response to the death of all the men are the Daughters of the Amazon – a uber radical group who (along with still blaming men for the disaster and all the planet’s problems) have voluntarily cut off their left breasts, both to show solidarity with the Amazons of legend, as well as to be able to fire a bow better.

“Supposedly, the original Amazons removed a breast to facilitate the firing of a bow, though plenty of historians now think that's just a myth,” Vaughan explained. “The fact that the word Amazon means ‘without breast’ seems to support the mastectomy theory, while the fact that contemporary female archers shoot magnificently despite their still-intact bosoms seems to discount it. You make the call.

”And why would any woman do it today? Well, why do some parents remove their male children's foreskins? Why do seventeen-year-old girls shove metal rods through their tongues? Obviously, there are lots of reasons. You make the call.”

The Amazons of Y are vehemently opposed to any attempt to re-create the world’s population as it once was, meaning that Yorick is to be killed on sight. According to Vaughan, the rationale for the Amazons is multi-tiered and not easily parsed.

“What do you think motivates the Daughters of the Amazon?” Vaughan asked back when asked about the Amazons’ motivation. “Is it fear? Is it lust for power? Is it anger or sadness or insanity? Or is it none of the above? I guess I'd rather give readers enough information to let them reach their own conclusions than force-feed them an oversimplified explanation.”

And of course, as was revealed in issue #4, Yorick’s sister, Hero has joined the Amazons and has volunteered to track and kill the reported male survivor who’s making his way to Boston.

Good drama, that.

<img src="http://classic.newsarama.com/Vertigo/pic_lrgylm8cvr.jpg" width="175" height="318" align="left" alt="Y: The Last Man #8"> “Our next storyline [beginning with December’s #6] is a five-issue arc called ‘Cycles,’” Vaughan said. “I hate spoiling stuff, so I'll just say that it's a bit of a gothic horror story. Yorick and friends end up in a seemingly utopian town whose female residents are harboring one of those proverbial ‘dark secrets.’ And there may finally be some romance in store for the last man on Earth. Also, a monkey will probably do something stupid. As for the title, it either refers to patterns of change, menstrual synchrony amongst cohabiting women, or Harley Davidsons. I forget...”

Vaughan said that he and Guerra aren’t following any prescribed, trade-friendly format – the arcs (of four or five issues a piece) are just the way they want to tell stories. “While I'm confident that Y will read great in trade form, we also work hard to make sure that it's a satisfying monthly read,” Vaughan said. “I love serialized storytelling, and I think the 22-page comic can be a hugely rewarding format.”

But one day, like all good things, Y will be no more, as Vaughan said that he has the series planned out from beginning to end, and Y does have a definite ending – it’s about five years down the road though, if Vaughan has his way.

If acclaim and the popularity of Y continues to grow as it has been over the course of the first five issues (which included a sold out #1 and #2, a <a href="http://classic.newsarama.com/cgi-bin/ubb/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=1&t=000080" target="_blank">rush-reprint compilation</a> of #1 and #2, as well as a recently announced rush-solicitation of a Y: The Last Man trade paperback – shipping December 18th, along with issue #6), it could be the industry’s most popular comic in five years.

And yes – the popularity of Y in the comics market is spreading to other forms of media – Vaughan said that he and Guerra get offers from Hollywood almost daily, but they’re not ready to sign anything yet. “In the right hands, I think a Y movie or TV show could be a lot fun, but it's not a priority for me,” Vaughan said. “I've always thought of Y as a long-form serialized graphic novel, and the fact that it's coming out every month from Vertigo is a dream come true. Anything else is just gravy.”

And finally, – and if you believe him – Vaughan said that he hasn’t let the series’ success get to him.

“As Gertrude Stein once said, ‘I write for myself and strangers. The strangers, dear readers, are an afterthought.’ That's not to say I don't appreciate every single person who buys the book, just that I want to stay true to my original vision, and not let any praise or criticism alter the course of the series. The grassroots support we've gotten from readers has been astounding, and watching people actually discuss and debate the world of Y has been the highlight of my career.”

BoyWonder
11-29-2002, 11:43 AM
Are reading this Marvel? A mature readers line, that doesn't rely on updating superheroes by making them swear and have sex. Vertigo is without a shadow of a doubt the most innovative line at any major publisher.

Gelogurte
11-29-2002, 11:43 AM
Wow! Great interview!
I'm very happy about this book!
Keep it up!

Act of God
11-29-2002, 11:47 AM
O.K.,now what do we Y-maniacs have to do in order to convice people that it is high time they burn their X-crap and head to VERTIGO?This book is FREAKIN` AMAZIN`!!! ;)

KingStalin
11-29-2002, 11:51 AM
I'm still kicking myself for not getting issues one, at the time i though oh just another series that prob won't last or will be eh, so i saved money. But I just told my comic shop[ aobut the trade and he ordered it for me. personally i see Y as the next preacher. A great finite adventure with great stories and art. I may have missed the monthly band wagon but i gurantee I'll be there for the trades. Long live the last man!

KingStalin
11-29-2002, 11:52 AM
[quote]Originally posted by Act of God:
<strong>O.K.,now what do we Y-maniacs have to do in order to convice people that it is high time they burn their X-crap and head to VERTIGO?This book is FREAKIN` AMAZIN`!!! ;) </strong><hr></blockquote>

Hey pal there's still plenty of room for the X-stuff and Y. No need for book burning, we don't live in nazi germany so let's enjoy all forms of literature and not what one group tells us to love.

xdemon
11-29-2002, 12:12 PM
Y and Fables are the best title DC is producing. I have been following both series since #1 and have enjoyed every issue. Now if the rest of the books DC produces were this good...

Minute Man
11-29-2002, 12:20 PM
[quote]Originally posted by Act of God:
<strong>O.K.,now what do we Y-maniacs have to do in order to convice people that it is high time they burn their X-crap and head to VERTIGO?This book is FREAKIN` AMAZIN`!!! ;) </strong><hr></blockquote>

there is room for both. Personally, I'd hate to have to give up what Grant Morrison is doing with The New X-Men or the joy that is my monthly fix of Y: The Last Man or Fables or Alias or JSA or The Hulk or 100 Bullets or Ultimate Spider-Man or Hellblazer or, well, you get the idea....

csGuy
11-29-2002, 12:21 PM
with Brian possibly taking over Ultimate X-Men after Millar, it can only increase the popularity of Y.

Really looking forward to the trade.

MurrayC
11-29-2002, 12:45 PM
I suppose it's up to me to say something "negative" about this book.

<deep breath, and, exhale>

Ok... Even though I am buying this book, and enjoying it, I honestly don't think it's as good as it is being hyped.

Now, don't get me wrong, I like the characters, I like the concept, I like the art, I think it is way better than a lot of the current mainstream (or even Vertigo) titles for that matter, but, it's just not grabbing me by the balls. I find the pacing to be a little to slow for my taste. It doesn't grab me as a "page turner".

We are four issues in, and nothing has happened. There have been a couple twists here and there, but nothing that really grabs you by the balls.

Also, I find the main character, Yorick, to be something of a wet blanket. He is the ONLY male left on earth, and he doesn't seemed too bothered by that. Whenever something happens, he just putters on through, he doesn't seem to be in any real danger. I was expecting a lot of chase secenes (from women who WANT him to women who want him DEAD) and plays more like a stroll in the park with the odd hissy-fit.

Maybe my standards are too high, or maybe I was spoiled by books like Preacher or Hitman. When I read the first Preacher TPB, I literally did not put it down until I was done. And when I was done, I immediately got the second TPB.

I dunno... Even though I look forward to each issue, I am hoping it will get better and earn the hype.

Sorry if I am pissing anyone off. (let the hate replies begin)

Tom Daylight
11-29-2002, 01:59 PM
[quote]Originally posted by BoyWonder:
<strong>Are reading this Marvel? A mature readers line, that doesn't rely on updating superheroes by making them swear and have sex. Vertigo is without a shadow of a doubt the most innovative line at any major publisher.</strong><hr></blockquote>

And Marvel would say: look how the Vertigo titles generally sell in comparison to MAX.

gren99
11-29-2002, 02:01 PM
a good piece of literature doesn't have to be a pageturner to be well, great.

'preacher' had a nice pulpy feel to it and certainly was a page-turner, but 'Y' is a very different type of book and in my estimation just as compelling for very different reasons.

certain novels, f.e. are utterly easy to read, true page turners -- and you breeze right through them in a matter of a couple of hours (well, i do anyway). others are much more detailed, complex and rich in texture and you might take a bit longer to get through them. does that make the latter kind worse than the former?

not in my book.

'Y' is very much a book with lots and lots of texture and i enjoy the immersive quality of it's universe immensely. it's one of the few books i know that really all but forces it's readership to think about it's characters and their trappings with each and every issue. there is much more here than just simple storytelling -- and frankly, complex books like 'Y' should be cherished, because they tend to be few and far between.

MurrayC
11-29-2002, 03:31 PM
Hey, Gren99, you make very good points on all accounts. However, I think my point is that I am trying to understand why this book is receiving so much hype/excitement.

My general observation is that everyone is going, "Oh, my, GAWD! This is like, the best book.. EV-ERRRR!" And my reaction is, "Well, I like it ok, I guess"

Grenn, you say that a book like "Y" is "are utterly easy to read, true page turners ". It is easy to read, but it isn't a page turner.

And you also say that some books "are much more detailed, complex and rich in texture and you might take a bit longer to get through them." Again, "Y", to me anyway, isn't like that, so I guess I am confused as to the appeal.

Don't get me wrong, I enjoy the book, and will keep buying it as long as it holds my interest.

Perfect Strangler
11-29-2002, 04:08 PM
[quote]Originally posted by csGuy:
<strong>with Brian possibly taking over Ultimate X-Men after Millar, it can only increase the popularity of Y.</strong><hr></blockquote>

I've never heard about Vaughan taking over Ultimate X-Men. Could somebody post a link to the story, please? :)

Sean Walsh
11-29-2002, 04:50 PM
[quote]Originally posted by csGuy:
<strong>with Brian possibly taking over Ultimate X-Men after Millar, it can only increase the popularity of Y.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Ooh, time to start buying UXM again?! :)

Sean

Todd VerBeek
11-29-2002, 04:56 PM
[quote]Originally posted by KingStalin:
<strong>Hey pal there's still plenty of room for the X-stuff and Y.</strong><hr></blockquote>

And O. Don't forget O.

O hasn't been published yet, but there should still be room for it when it is.

;)

Eric J. Moreels
11-29-2002, 06:34 PM
One thing I don't get is that with the overwhelming popularity of Y: The Last Man, why Brian's Chamber mini-series for Marvel performed so poorly sales-wise.

Granted, the X-Men Icons label could have been a deterrant, given the less-than-stellar performance of previous mini's to bear that imprint, but Chamber was the exception to the rule. A very cool murder-mystery starring one of the most visually interesting X-characters (especially when drawn by Lee Ferguson and colored by Jose Villarrubia!) that deserved much more interest and attention than it got.

Keep up the great work, Bri!

Eric J. Moreels
11-29-2002, 06:40 PM
[quote]Originally posted by Perfect Strangler:
<strong>I've never heard about Vaughan taking over Ultimate X-Men. Could somebody post a link to the story, please? :) </strong><hr></blockquote>

It's a rumor borne out of the recent Great American Comic Book Expo in Boston, which we covered at X-Fan:

<a href="http://x-mencomics.com/xfan/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=12828" target="_blank">X-FAN'S GREAT AMERICAN COMIC BOOK EXPO REPORT</a>

Enjoy!

Studio D Comics
11-29-2002, 07:03 PM
[quote]Originally posted by MurrayC:
<strong>However, I think my point is that I am trying to understand why this book is receiving so much hype/excitement.

My general observation is that everyone is going, "Oh, my, GAWD! This is like, the best book.. EV-ERRRR!" And my reaction is, "Well, I like it ok, I guess"
Don't get me wrong, I enjoy the book, and will keep buying it as long as it holds my interest.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Yeah, I've been collecting since #1, and I really like the concept. There are so many possibilities with it. But 5 issues in, and not a lot is happening... I'd like to see more happen during each issue. I am still enjoying it, but it's not my fav comic.


later
don

Kerouac
11-29-2002, 08:02 PM
[quote] And Marvel would say: look how the Vertigo titles generally sell in comparison to MAX. <hr></blockquote>

I was unaware that anything from Max, except Alias, had sold worth a damn. In fact, I can barely recall what books Max put out, aside from Alias and Fury, and I work in a comic book store.

Not trying to be a fanboy defending Vertigo (even though I am a Vertigo fanboy), just pointing out that nothing from Max has really been a sales-topper for Marvel. The line, as a whole, has been basically a complete failure, imo.

Matt

<a href="http://www.continuitypages.com" target="_blank">www.continuitypages.com</a>

MattBrady
11-29-2002, 08:54 PM
[quote]Originally posted by Kerouac:
<strong>I was unaware that anything from Max, except Alias, had sold worth a damn. In fact, I can barely recall what books Max put out, aside from Alias and Fury, and I work in a comic book store.

Not trying to be a fanboy defending Vertigo (even though I am a Vertigo fanboy), just pointing out that nothing from Max has really been a sales-topper for Marvel. The line, as a whole, has been basically a complete failure, imo.
</strong><hr></blockquote>

That may be from your view, but overall (and I don't have the numbers handy) I'm pretty sure that Marvel's MAX titles have sold better than Vertigo titles, which land around #110 and up.

This month's Top 300 is <a href="http://classic.newsarama.com/DecemberTop300.htm" target="_blank"> here</a>. Alias comes in at #70, and Shang-Chi at #86. By comparison, the first Vertigo book comes in at #91, The Filth, with the bulk of the Vertigo line landing below #110, which, IIRC, is pretty much where Vertigo resides on the Top 300 chart.

Of course, reorders and trades boost both the Vertigo numbers and exposure, but as far as monthlies go, I'd bet that MAX beat out Vertigo, both in quantity sold and retail dollars.

MattB

alec_burkhardt
11-29-2002, 10:14 PM
[quote]Originally posted by Matt Brady:
<strong>Of course, reorders and trades boost both the Vertigo numbers and exposure, but as far as monthlies go, I'd bet that MAX beat out Vertigo, both in quantity sold and retail dollars.

MattB</strong><hr></blockquote>

Not sure how you're figuring, but I assume it has to be on averages rather than totals. Which is really a meaningless way to compare; because whoever publishes the fewest titles is almost guaranteed to come out ahead simply by dropping their lower selling titles. Since Vertigo generally has a dozen or so monthly (ongoing + minis) comics coming out and MAX is currently down to a single ongoing (Alias) and a single mini (Shang-Chi), MAX is highly unlikely to beat Vertigo in terms of total issues sold in a month or retailer dollars in a month. Alias & Shang-Chi together don't add up to 60k - so if each Vertigo title only sold 5k (and none sell that low), Vertigo would be selling more units & likely making more money.

But since the two companies clearly have different opinions concerning the numbers necessary to make a comic worth publishing, comparing the MAX & Vertigo imprints probably is pointless. Marvel apparently doesn't like sales <20k, which is where the last two MAX titles, Apache Skies & Hood were by their final issues, while DC continues to publish the Vertigo titles despite the fact that they all pretty much sell below 20k.

alec

Minute Man
11-29-2002, 11:44 PM
[quote]Originally posted by Kerouac:
<strong>

I was unaware that anything from Max, except Alias, had sold worth a damn. In fact, I can barely recall what books Max put out, aside from Alias and Fury, and I work in a comic book store.

Not trying to be a fanboy defending Vertigo (even though I am a Vertigo fanboy), just pointing out that nothing from Max has really been a sales-topper for Marvel. The line, as a whole, has been basically a complete failure, imo.

Matt

<a href="http://www.continuitypages.com" target="_blank">www.continuitypages.com</a></strong><hr></blockquote>

well, all I can say is Steve Gerber out-Vertigoed Vertigo with his recent Howard the Duck mini series for MAX....it gets my vote for Best Limited Series of 2002...I also greatly enjoyed Brian Vaughan's The Hood mini series for the MAX line....pity both didn't sell better....that said I'm a pretty big Vertigo reader as well....

Jeffbot
11-30-2002, 03:58 AM
I had no idea that Pia was a woman.

It's great to see a female in the industry taking part in such a fabulous book.

MattBrady
11-30-2002, 08:45 AM
[quote]Originally posted by alec_burkhardt:
<strong>Not sure how you're figuring, but I assume it has to be on averages rather than totals. </strong><hr></blockquote>

I guess I could've been clearer - I wasn't talking about comparing the two lines, but rather that any given MAX title sells more than any given Vertigo title.

As I said, I don't have the numbers, but I'm pretty sure that's the way it's been since MAX's debut.

MattB

alec_burkhardt
11-30-2002, 02:33 PM
[quote]Originally posted by Matt Brady:
<strong>

I guess I could've been clearer - I wasn't talking about comparing the two lines, but rather that any given MAX title sells more than any given Vertigo title.

As I said, I don't have the numbers, but I'm pretty sure that's the way it's been since MAX's debut.

MattB</strong><hr></blockquote>

Well, the numbers aren't hard to locate and just from reading my first message it should be clear that you're incorrect. Yes, both Alias & Shang-Chi are outselling any current Vertigo title but all you have to do is go back to Apache Skies & Hood to find MAX books that sold less than Filth or Fables and equal to Hellblazer, Transmet, and 100 Bullets. So any given MAX title does not out sell any given Vertigo title. But of course any MAX title which isn't outselling all Vertigo titles had better be a mini or it probably won't be around for long.

Anyway, I'm not certain if this is a worthwhile comparison to be making as to the "success" of either imprint. Clearly Marvel & DC have different concepts of success for MAX & Vertigo, respectively. Both aren't likely to claim publically that their imprint isn't a success and it's very easy to explain why either is a success if that's the goal.

alec

AForceOfOne
11-30-2002, 04:00 PM
and of course...like always...the whining continues. Oh hey Marvel...why don't you do this? We fanboys believe we can do everything better than you the company who does this for a living.

I'm sorry...but forget about comparing Max to Vertigo. Marvel puts out a higher quality book than DC at any given time. They put out more high quality books in one week then DC does in a month.

So let's all burn our books because the fanboys are always right. Next thing people are gonna do is police the stores and lunge at people saying they're not good enough to read so and so's book unless they can answer a series of questions.

This is another case of the readers getting an interview and yet again, the fans, turn it into yet another DC vs. Marvel pissing match.

You know what...I find interest in this book but I won't read it. It's not DC turning me off from it. It's the high and mighty readers. So HEY DC! You lost a sale because of your own customers! You people should talk about the actual book or in any case what the story is related to. Each person enjoys something different. That is what makes comics so great. It's a business but you know what...it's a hobby to us and I'm ashamed to be a reader when I read posts like these joking or otherwise. I've said it before and I'll say it again. If anybody is ruining the industry it's us the readers...NOT the companies contrary to Internet belief.

I don't believe it's all fans just as I don't point this post at all the people who posted here...but there are many.

Y is one of those books that pushes the industry forward, wether I buy it or not, just as Grant's New X-Men. It's about getting the word out on the quality work to push the industry forward. Does it really matter who sells more than who? Especially from our point of view?

doom
12-01-2002, 03:26 AM
[quote]Originally posted by AForceOfOne:
<strong>and of course...like always...the whining continues. Oh hey Marvel...why don't you do this? We fanboys believe we can do everything better than you the company who does this for a living.

I'm sorry...but forget about comparing Max to Vertigo. Marvel puts out a higher quality book than DC at any given time. They put out more high quality books in one week then DC does in a month.

So let's all burn our books because the fanboys are always right. Next thing people are gonna do is police the stores and lunge at people saying they're not good enough to read so and so's book unless they can answer a series of questions.

This is another case of the readers getting an interview and yet again, the fans, turn it into yet another DC vs. Marvel pissing match.

You know what...I find interest in this book but I won't read it. It's not DC turning me off from it. It's the high and mighty readers. So HEY DC! You lost a sale because of your own customers! You people should talk about the actual book or in any case what the story is related to. Each person enjoys something different. That is what makes comics so great. It's a business but you know what...it's a hobby to us and I'm ashamed to be a reader when I read posts like these joking or otherwise. I've said it before and I'll say it again. If anybody is ruining the industry it's us the readers...NOT the companies contrary to Internet belief.

I don't believe it's all fans just as I don't point this post at all the people who posted here...but there are many.

Y is one of those books that pushes the industry forward, wether I buy it or not, just as Grant's New X-Men. It's about getting the word out on the quality work to push the industry forward. Does it really matter who sells more than who? Especially from our point of view?</strong><hr></blockquote>

que?

Tom Daylight
12-01-2002, 02:23 PM
[quote]Originally posted by Eric J. Moreels:
<strong>

It's a rumor borne out of the recent Great American Comic Book Expo in Boston, which we covered at X-Fan:
</strong><hr></blockquote>

The rumour's been around a lot longer than that...

AForceOfOne
12-01-2002, 07:07 PM
right doom.

so that was either a wise ass remark or you just didn't undstand.

So if you didn't...here it is.
You see a pissing match is one person thinks the other is better so they always try to outdo the other. Case in point. EVERY SINGLE TIME there's an interview on this site two geniues always go at it time and time again about what company and or imprint is better then the other. Marvel is always hated no matter what most of the time. DC is loved. Now it's Max vs. Vertigo.

Who the hell cares? Does it matter? What about the book itself? This is what I'm saying. I detest the mightier than thou attitude comic book fans seem to have. It's a very big reason why comics are in the situation they're in and why readers are looked down upon. Comic Book Guy ring a bell? Alot of people forgot about the enjoyment of the books and start talking like they work for the company. They don't and with that attitude I can tell you right now they won't.

It's like this all over the net. The industry in general would be alot better off without it.

AForceOfOne
12-01-2002, 07:09 PM
[quote]Originally posted by Minute Man:
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well, all I can say is Steve Gerber out-Vertigoed Vertigo with his recent Howard the Duck mini series for MAX....it gets my vote for Best Limited Series of 2002...I also greatly enjoyed Brian Vaughan's The Hood mini series for the MAX line....pity both didn't sell better....that said I'm a pretty big Vertigo reader as well....</strong><hr></blockquote>

Didn't Cage rank up there as well? If I'm not mistaken it was one of the better books put out by Max. I didn't read it...no money at the time but it looked pretty well done.

Grendel Prime
12-02-2002, 11:09 AM
2002 has really been Brian Vaughan's year.

His MAX mini-series The Hood was one of the best books Marvel produced, in my opinion. It performs almost on a level with Alias, in terms of offering a different take on superhero stories, but in some ways was even better, with its healthy dose of campy "guest stars" and not-so-heavy reliance on obscenities. I would love to see an on-going series like this one, based on a low-rung bad-guy's perspective of the cape & cowl crowd.

And Y has been simply impressive. I am definitely not a member of the "nothing-happens-I-don't-get-it-Vertigo-sucks" whiner's club.

The weird thing is that I didn't even realize Vaughan was responsible for BOTH of my favorite new books of 2002 until The Hood was already done and gone.

I hope someone other than me remembers this when award time rolls around. Vaughan (and Guerra) deserve one.

alec_burkhardt
12-02-2002, 01:51 PM
[quote]Originally posted by AForceOfOne:
<strong>So if you didn't...here it is.
You see a pissing match is one person thinks the other is better so they always try to outdo the other. Case in point. EVERY SINGLE TIME there's an interview on this site two geniues always go at it time and time again about what company and or imprint is better then the other. Marvel is always hated no matter what most of the time. DC is loved. Now it's Max vs. Vertigo.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Since you're initial response immediately followed my second post, I'd like to clear up if you are referring to my posts as part of this supposed "pissing match". If you read my 2 posts, I wasn't favoring either company or imprint. In fact I said it was rather pointless for people to attempt to judge either as a success since the criteria for "success" is amorphous to the point that both MAX & Vertigo could be looked at as either successful or not.

However what I was doing was correcting the completely false information being spread by the journalist who oversees this site. Any MAX title does not outsell any Vertigo title. This information does not mean either is more successful in my opinion but it is an easily verifiable fact.

As for the interview itself, I had no comments to make. It was well done, and it has almost convinced me to take a look at Y; perhaps when the initial collection comes out this month.

alec

AForceOfOne
12-02-2002, 11:38 PM
point taken alec.

Is it just me or has this certain reporter done his fair shair of misreporting in the past month? I think this is about the fifth article misquoted or mis-something.