The Ronnie Raymond Firestorm Appreciation Thread

[Herald]

Come and talk about Ronnie, his friends, and enemies here!

http://www.newkadia.com/Covers/L/F/Fury%20of%20Firestorm/furyoffirestorm1.jpg

[astronato]

When I was in my comic buying heyday as a kid, Firestorm was DC's new breed/next generation character. Flash and Firestorm were two of the few DC titles I used to buy.

I just got back into comics a few years ago after a 20 year lapse and found out he got axe. What a shame. I would buy a Firestorm:Rebirth book.

I don't have a complete collection. Is there any word of a Firestorm DC Showcase?

http://www.dialbforblog.com/archives/253/ad_firestorm.gif

[astronato]

Monitor Duty's profile on Firestorm...........

http://www.monitorduty.com/mdarchives/2006/03/alan_kistlers_p_7.shtml

http://www.flemart.com/firestorm2.jpg

[Metall-x]

I just started collecting the old Firestorm comics and they are awesome. Ronnie is a great character. Not overly dramatic or dark but not goofy either and he is weighted nicely by Prof Stein. When was the last time Black Bison showed up in comics?

[astronato]

I just started collecting the old Firestorm comics and they are awesome. Ronnie is a great character. Not overly dramatic or dark but not goofy either and he is weighted nicely by Prof Stein. When was the last time Black Bison showed up in comics?


He got whacked in Day of Vengeance during the build up to Infinite Crisis.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Bison

Yeah, I dug Black Bison. Cool name, cool look and I have an affinity for Native American characters.

http://image.milehighcomics.com/istore/images/fullsize/32233702026.26.GIF

[holtom2000]

for me, Super Powers clinched it for me... that's what made the character as popular as he ever got, in my opinion. esp. the Death of Superman episode

[Metall-x]

He got whacked in Day of Vengeance during the build up to Infinite Crisis.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Bison

Yeah, I dug Black Bison. Cool name, cool look and I have an affinity for Native American characters.

http://image.milehighcomics.com/istore/images/fullsize/32233702026.26.GIF


hey, I just bought that issue. It was awesome. Bison had so much potential. They could have made a hero out of him.

[Cat-Scratch]

Come and talk about Ronnie, his friends, and enemies here!

http://www.newkadia.com/Covers/L/F/Fury%20of%20Firestorm/furyoffirestorm1.jpg

Boy I loved getting that comic WAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYY back then when dinosaurs still harassed us all!

I miss Ronny, but thought Jason was a good replacement until towards the end of that series when so much of Ronny's series was brought back. Made it seem like it was such a waste of character for both Ronny and Jason. Pity.

Does this mean about to be flammed?! :(
Keep it fun if so, please! :D

[garion]

ronnie rules!!!

And how about a Firehawk Appreciation thread. I always thought she was great!! Ok... hot!!!

Edit: Because bird's and hawk's are confusing to me for some reason. :)

[astronato]

By all means, post some Firehawk pics...........

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firehawk_%28comics%29

http://image.milehighcomics.com/istore/images/fullsize/32233702026.17.GIF

[holtom2000]

This is something Jason will never have - cheesy '80s immortality!!!

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[Kent Horton]

Firestorm was best when Mikhail was part of the mix.

[garion]

By all means, post some Firehawk pics...........

ok. :D

http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/d/dd/FirehawkFoF.JPG

[garion]

http://www.majorspoilers.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/10/5224/02.jpg

[Herald]

I have an affinity for Native American characters.


Hey, me too!! In fact, I have ideas for stories featuring Silver Deer and Owlwoman!

http://image.milehighcomics.com/istore/images/fullsize/32233702026.27.GIF

[Metall-x]

How about mult-plex..bring back his old rogue gallery for god's sake.

[astronato]

http://firestorm.mandlo.com/images/misc/rr_kid.jpg

[holtom2000]

nice... lil Firestorm

[nemosdad]

Man did I love me some Firestorm back in the day!!! Couple of issue's stand out in my mind.

Ronnie playing basket ball against what he thought was his rogue's gallery was fantastic!!

And Ronnie getting the beat down from Cliff. ( I think that was his name). We were led to believe that Cliff was just a bully through high school untill he told Ronnie why he was punching his face in. Both characters came out on top from it. Really well told.

Those types were the best Firestorm stories in the same way Peter Parker is more interesting than Spider-Man.

Wasn't too happy to see the Fire Elemental angle. IMHO that destroyed everything I liked about the character. I liked the idea of the elemental, just not at the destruction of Firestorm.

Thanks for the PM Astronato! I missed this thread when it started.

[BarryJordan]

Firestorm was best when Mikhail was part of the mix.
Please tell that's sarcasm...any Firestorm that isn't Ronnie and The Prof. has failed and been terrible

[Cat-Scratch]

Soo, I take it that no one here actually liked Jason? :confused:

[Thunderstorm]

He is the one and only Firestorm!

[Cat-Scratch]

He is the one and only Firestorm!

So, I'll take that and place it in the NO category. :D

[Thunderstorm]

So, I'll take that and place it in the NO category. :D

I don't hate him, but he hasn't grown on me at all. I think Firestorm, I think Ronnie.

[stingermck]

Oh Ronnie. How I love thee. Super Powers was what got me into comics, and I thought his flame head was awesome.

If I have to choose between Jason, or no Firestorm at all, than Jason is OK. But he NEEDS to be in the JLofA

[nemosdad]

I like Jason. As a new character I might have read a book with him in it if they made him a new hero. I got the first five or six issues of the new Firestorm but I just couldn't stop comparing him to Ronnie.

I don't really understand how DC could come to the conclusion that the fan racket on the boards about Firestorm translates into "lets kill off the fan favorite that a huge chunk of readers can relate to, for no reason in particular, and replace him with someone new". (Unless DC was trying to recreate the young and just learning Firestorm that worked so well the first time. But like I said, shoulda done it as a new character.)

That's a sure fire way to alienate fans. Were I in the uper offices, I would have tried Ronnie as Firestorm in a solo book first, and move on to Jason if things weren't looking to rosie. I'd love to say a lesson was learned here by the higher ups but I know the response would be "it's this or nothing".

[omacv4]

i wish they'd bring ronnie back. he was my favorite dc character. i thought for sure that dc was bringing him back with him rejoining the JLA after the Obsidian storyline, his appearance in Power Company, and a couple of other guest appearances.

it was disappointing when they killed him off in Identity Crisis (ugh). in the jason series, i think tptb missed a golden opportunity. it would've been great if they had ronnie become the "professor" to jason's firestorm. why they didn't go that route is beyond me. i got the series up to the IC crossover and dropped it after the OYL start. i really could've cared less about the return of stein. i guess that was DC's way of trying to appease old school fans.

[Kal-LReturns]

Ah Firestorm, how I have missed you so...


You know, when I think of my younger days and reading comics during them, one memory that almost always pops to mind is The Fury of Firestorm. Man I freakin' loved that flame-headed bastard. I'd kill to get a Firestorm: Rebirth.

[biffordmichael]

I've told this story all over the place, it's (for some reason) one of my strongest comic memories...It was a cold dark crisp night, you know how when snow is coming it gets really clear and silent outside, we were watching SnowBird (local tv puppet that told you if you had school or not) and it looked like mid-70's Nashville was about to get pounded so my Dad packed me into the van and we headed to Hill's Grocery Store next door to JP Brown's drug store to get set up for the snow. I went to the drug store with a crisp TWENTY DOLLAR BILL to spend on comics, I had already bought all of the books I usually read so this cash was going to things like those Marvel pocket books reprint things, or treasury comics that I couldn't afford usually or anthology titles like DC's war or horror books...just some extra stuff for the big snow day...I spun the rack and saw Firestorm issue one and brought it home. I didn't read Marvel really save for the X-Men and those sixties reprint paperbacks and was a big DC nerd. Something about Firestorm one and Ronnie Raymond just flipped me out! I read it that night laying in front of an open patio door looking up only to see if the snow had started...for twenty minutes I was lost in this book and I must have read it over and over and over that snow day! I called my friends and told them about it, sat up and talked to my Mom about it, drew Firestorm on EVERYTHING...from that day on the Ronnie version of Firestorm was my favorite. When the book ended I was crushed...when he turned back up in Flash I subscribed just to get the issues early (dispite being folded and glued in those brown open at each end envelope things they used back then...), Fury Of Firestorm carried me for years until it got lost (about the time I drifted out of comics), When I started reading comics in 04 again (USA Today pimped Whedon's X-Men and Metzler's ID Crisis) I saw Firestorm die and it was awful...coming back just in time to watch an old best friend die...I tried so hard to get into the Jason series but found the character of Jason uninteresting, ONLY when he was paired with Ronnie for a while did I start to get into it...WHY DC insists on killing off the originals and repurposing the uniform with someone new is beyond me...thankfully this is comics so I know SOMEDAY Ronnie will be back...now if I could just get that Showcase Presents Firestorm Volume one to replace all the old comics I sold to get beer money in college! Ronnie would have approved I suspect!

Biff who can't think of any other character's first appearence that ever stuck in his mind like Firestorm's did!

[Grievous]

Okay someone recommend me some firestorm trades and stories that he appears in,

[Speedball93]

I think the whole legacy thing at DC has gotten way out of hand. I don't mind Jason as a character, but why does he have to be Firestorm?? Why can't he be something new??There was nothing wrong with Ronnie, but as always DC has to "diversify there character base" which translates into "we don't have any more cool ideas so let's put someone new in the suit."

[phunengames]

I think the whole legacy thing at DC has gotten way out of hand. I don't mind Jason as a character, but why does he have to be Firestorm?? Why can't he be something new??There was nothing wrong with Ronnie, but as always DC has to "diversify there character base" which translates into "we don't have any more cool ideas so let's put someone new in the suit."

Why?

Fans do not buy new stuff. When was the last time a totally new character created in the last 10 years appeared in the Diamond Top 25? How about created in the last 20years? How about 30? 40?

Creators want to own their stuff. If you are going to create a 20 million dollar property wouldn’t you like to own and control it? If creators are hesitant to create new characters then companies have to revamp older ones.

Why can’t diversity be a cool idea? A new setting, outlook or atmosphere can breathe life into a character or a universe. It seems Marvel just re-discovered that America has a west coast. It seems people are okay with diversity as long as it does not change anything they like because their stuff is okay just the way it is. If you are going to change a character everything should be on the table. That is the test for me. If a company is not willing to do that then it should leave the character alone. But hey there are some people that a Batman without the yellow around the bat on his chest is not the "real" Batman. Go figure. :)

People do not like change for the most part. Even if the change is done “correctly” it will have problems. I have no idea whaat correctly means, but many posting feel there is a defintive "corrct" way. My point of view is fans want what they want. Is goes with being a fan. Logic does not enter into the equation. If a favorite of a fan is killed then they are going to be pissed. No matter how well it is done. Companies just have to decide if it is worth the aggravation.

DC’s push to diversify is not a new thing. It has gone on for years Batgirl, Mr. Terrific, Johnny Thunder and Wildcat and some examples. Book from the Milestone and Xero were critical success but sales on them never matched their praise.

I have no problem buy new stuff. But sales seem to show I am in the minority. Empire was the same book at Gorilla Comics and DC but it seems that many fans had an easier time buying a Waid & Kitson book with a DC emblem on it.

At this point revamps seem to be the most effective way to breathe life into a charter or Universe. DC went new with Breech. You could argue it would have lasted a little longer with Captain Atom on the cover.

I understand that people miss Ronnie, but Firestorm had been put though many changes over the years(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firestorm_%28comics%29). He was even de-powered. I just add the newest one to the list. Since he was created, Firestorm seemed to the DC character most open to change and new possibilities. Ronnie will be missed but I hope Firestorm will continue to grow.

[holtom2000]

I understand that people miss Ronnie, but Firestorm had been put though many changes over the years(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firestorm_%28comics%29). He was even de-powered. I just add the newest one to the list. Since he was created, Firestorm seemed to the DC character most open to change and new possibilities. Ronnie will be missed but I hope Firestorm will continue to grow.


I get what you're saying, and actually tried the new Firestorm title. Sorry, no dice.
I want Firestorm with Ronnie in the mix. I don't care what DC's trying to do - I will resist it. And so will a lot of other readers. That's led to a split in what little Firestorm fanbase there is. Didio's legacy.

[Herald]

Fans do not buy new stuff.

"New stuff" in old wrapping is still "new stuff". Putting a pre-established name on it doesn't fool anybody but the naive.

You seem to like Wikipedia. Surely, they have an entry for New Coke...

Creators want to own their stuff. If you are going to create a 20 million dollar property wouldn’t you like to own and control it?

A fallacious argument.

There's no guarantee that any idea is going to be "a 20 million dollar property" before it is brought to market...

Why can’t diversity be a cool idea?

It can.
But not the way DC is currently approaching it...

DC’s push to diversify is not a new thing. It has gone on for years Batgirl, Mr. Terrific, Johnny Thunder and Wildcat and some examples.

Those characters:

1. Did not come into being soon after the previous versions were killed off

2. Did not come into being one after another after another after another. The DiDio regime has overdone the whole notion of legacy.

I have no problem buy new stuff. But sales seem to show I am in the minority. Empire was the same book at Gorilla Comics and DC but it seems that many fans had an easier time buying a Waid & Kitson book with a DC emblem on it.

And I, for one, bought the book back when Gorilla Comics was releasing it.

Believe it or not, I don't mind new stuff, as long as the new stuff is presented in a way I like. That is my right of choice as a consumer.

At this point revamps seem to be the most effective way to breathe life into a charter or Universe.

But sales seem to show that you are in the minority in that opinion...

DC went new with Breech. You could argue it would have lasted a little longer with Captain Atom on the cover.

But, as you can see, they won't give Captain Atom, or, for that matter, almost any of their pre-established characters an ongoing series. No, they only get a miniseries.

Interesting how the company is more willing to trust NEW characters with NO fanbases...

I understand that people miss Ronnie, but Firestorm had been put though many changes over the years(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firestorm_%28comics%29). He was even de-powered.

So was Superman.
When does he get replaced for longer than 6 months??

[phunengames]

I get what you're saying, and actually tried the new Firestorm title. Sorry, no dice.
I want Firestorm with Ronnie in the mix. I don't care what DC's trying to do - I will resist it. And so will a lot of other readers. That's led to a split in what little Firestorm fanbase there is. Didio's legacy.


Hey I understand fans want wat fans want. That is the right of a fan. But there still has to be a for growth. The new interenterview with Mr. Diggle hit on some of my thoughts.

RAMA: Do you think Green Arrow’s definitive origin is “too easy”? Does the simplicity of Oliver Queen’s transformation to Green Arrow beg for revision?

AD: Simplistic origin stories always beg for revision, as each new generation of readers becomes more sophisticated. Batman’s origin story used to be summed up in less than one page, but that didn’t stop Frank Miller and David Mazzuchelli from expanding it into the masterful Batman: Year One. It’s like a fractal pattern—you can zoom in and expand the story infinitely.

Left unchanged, an origin story written for the children of the 1940s simply isn’t going to hold water for mature 21st century readers. If we treated every origin as sacrosanct, Batman would still carry a gun and Superman wouldn't be able to fly. Of course you have to respect what’s gone before, but at the same time you have to keep moving forward. Superheroes should be men of tomorrow, not yesterday. Evolve or die!

NRAMA: As an experienced writer, what do you think is the most important constraint you can put on yourself when retelling an iconic character’s definitive origin? What do you think makes for the best type of revisionism in this medium?

AD: It’s a fine balancing act between respecting what’s gone before and preserving those elements which are sacrosanct, while at the same time not being afraid to move the story forward and build something that feels new and fresh and contemporary. The fans seem to think I got that balance right on Adam Strange, and I’m pretty confident with this one.

If concepts do not move forward they can die. It seemed that every incantion of Firestorm was a snapshot of what was going on. I have always seen the charter as fluid. You can lose people along the way, but status quo does not seem to be something that has fit Firestorm over the years. Everyone has like and dislike. Mr. Diggle has issues with Crossovers but hey most do but guess what they sell. Not all change can sell, but "as is" is not a huge selling point either at time.

Change may not net new readers but putting out the same character from 20 years ago is not going to convince the person to buy the book that said no to it 20years ago. To me Firestorm was about change at the most basic level. That is what I saw in the Ronnie Raymond Firestorm. I hope it is not lost. Going forward.

[Speedball93]

Hey I understand fans want wat fans want. That is the right of a fan. But there still has to be a for growth. The new interenterview with Mr. Diggle hit on some of my thoughts.



If concepts do not move forward they can die. It seemed that every incantion of Firestorm was a snapshot of what was going on. I have always seen the charter as fluid. You can lose people along the way, but status quo does not seem to be something that has fit Firestorm over the years. Everyone has like and dislike. Mr. Diggle has issues with Crossovers but hey most do but guess what they sell. Not all change can sell, but "as is" is not a huge selling point either at time.

Change may not net new readers but putting out the same character from 20 years ago is not going to convince the person to buy the book that said no to it 20years ago. To me Firestorm was about change at the most basic level. That is what I saw in the Ronnie Raymond Firestorm. I hope it is not lost. Going forward.
How is putting Jason in the suit and telling the exact same kinds of story growth? There wasn't one Firestorm issue that I read in the current run that couldn not have been told with Ronnie as the lead. Granted I only picked up about 1/3 of the run. Growth would be taking the concept and the character into situations that he has never faced and exploring them that way. I never saw them do this with Jason. If they would have introduced Jason as a supporting character to Ronnie and worked him along and at some point handed him the mantle, I might have been more willing to accept him in that role. Killing Ronnie to make room for and forcing us to take Jason was not the "correct way" to do it IMO.

[Cat-Scratch]

How is putting Jason in the suit and telling the exact same kinds of story growth? There wasn't one Firestorm issue that I read in the current run that couldn not have been told with Ronnie as the lead. Granted I only picked up about 1/3 of the run. Growth would be taking the concept and the character into situations that he has never faced and exploring them that way. I never saw them do this with Jason. If they would have introduced Jason as a supporting character to Ronnie and worked him along and at some point handed him the mantle, I might have been more willing to accept him in that role. Killing Ronnie to make room for and forcing us to take Jason was not the "correct way" to do it IMO.

I kind of felt the same as you, BUT, I still like Jason. I'd have preferred to have seen Ronny & Jason plus the Prof make up Firestorm. Jason is different enough from Ronny for me to some him as viable, despite your points. I just hope that DC does something foolish like kill off Jason or some such thing just to bring back Ronny. That'd be as bad as what has been done to Ronny, just my feelings on the matter.

[FirestormX]

Despite the fact I was expecting a Ronnie Firestorm, I didn't hate Jason (mind you I didnt collect the new series either), but there wasnt much I could do about it, but just wait and hope for a Ronnie return. However, I did have an idea that would somewhat appease both camps of the character ( I doubt it would happen but it seems plausible to me). If you go by what was revealed about the matrix and Firestorm from the first series, it was established that Ronnie had the metagene for the Firestorm powers. Stein was to get the matrix to become the Earth's Fire elemental. With the two of them merged together, the matrix was able to copy Ronnie's powers. Now with the matrix within Jason, I see no reason why Ronnie couldn't be separated from the matrix with his powers intact, and Jason retains his powers as they were copied by the matrix, so we have two Firestorms, of which either they could both keep the name or one could change theirs (too bad Supernova is already taken, wouldve been a cool name to use) :)

Well its a thought I had about how to resolve the controversy over the character. I'm sure someone else would have a better idea than mine.

[FilterKing]

BRING BACK JASON!!

[Cat-Scratch]

BRING BACK JASON!!

He's still about, isn't he? As for bringing back the series, if that's your meaning -

BIG SECOND!!

[astronato]

Nice piece on some of the latter day additions to the pre crisis JLA...including Firestorm.

http://www.moviepoopshoot.com/comics101/101.html

http://www.moviepoopshoot.com/comics101/images/2005/feb2/firestorm.jpg

[FilterKing]

He's still about, isn't he? As for bringing back the series, if that's your meaning -

BIG SECOND!!
AWW YEAH! We finally on the same page,kid.

[Cat-Scratch]

Nice piece on some of the latter day additions to the pre crisis JLA...including Firestorm.

http://www.moviepoopshoot.com/comics101/101.html

http://www.moviepoopshoot.com/comics101/images/2005/feb2/firestorm.jpg

Looks like there's going to be a fight there! ;)
Nice Starlin cover, too! :D

[Cat-Scratch]

AWW YEAH! We finally on the same page,kid.

We've been a lots, friend! I did try to point out that you seemed out of character to me in that thread. Not to drag that up.

I 'll say it again, I like both, but I really get afraid of DC compounding "a mistake" of sorts.
Jason and Ronny are both great as Firestorm or so I feel and think.

[astronato]

Firestorm's entry on Toonopedia.............

http://www.toonopedia.com/firestor.htm

http://images.comicbookresources.com/news/firestorm2.jpg

[Dav G]

I loved Firestorm (the second series) when I was a kid. I remember seeing the house ad with the first issue cover:

http://www.comics.org/graphics/covers/2628/200/2628_2_001.jpg

I bought the book and fell in love with Pat Broderick's artwork right there. I liked Firestorm, because although DC wanted Conway to create a "DC Spider-Man", the whole setup was inventive, and the characters distinct. Instead of a nerdy student...Ronnie was a bit of a dumb jock - and the nerdy component was the ethereal professor.

The whole nature of the mixture of two people in one body, the need of one to turn into Firestorm at the wrong moment for the other, made for an inventive superhero comic.

Given the advances in comic art, the best older art typically looks "okay". But around that time, DC only had like 4 good artists: Broderick, George Perez, Jim Aparo and Don Newton. So Broderick on Firestorm made that book a big hit.

I really dug the issues where he fought the Hyena:

http://www.comics.org/graphics/covers/2628/400/2628_4_010.jpg

Eventually Broderick left the book, but his replacement - newcomer Rafael Kayanan - was very good too, so I kept reading for another few years. His stuff rocked:

http://www.comics.org/graphics/covers/2628/400/2628_4_039.jpg

A few years later Broderick went on to draw Captain Atom, and after 30 issues was succeeded by none other than...Rafael Kayanan.

That book was excellent, although it didn't last as many issues as Firestorm - something like 55 issues.

[Banana_Oil]

Where did Shadowstorm go? WHERE?!

[astronato]

http://www.comics-unlimited.com/news/images/firestorm-strikes-again.jpg

[astronato]

http://www.supermanartists.comics.org/bronzeage/Firestorm01.JPG

[astronato]

Firestorm/Covers (http://www.dcdatabaseproject.com/Cover_Art_Gallery_Firestorm)

[Carter101]

Can you tell where i got this from??? :p ;) :D
http://wizarduniverse.com/_images_/005545/Firestorm%20Chase.jpg

[astronato]

Wow. That's really nice. I'd like to own that.

[Carter101]

Wow. That's really nice. I'd like to own that.
It will be out sometime soon, check your local walmart in the next Year or so:p

[JRCarter]

This is something Jason will never have - cheesy '80s immortality!!!

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You call that cheesy? This is cheesy:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-z9ymVmU0Y

[holtom2000]

Lord, and I steamed right now.
Not that Fakerstorm seems destined for the Justice League, and that I'll probably end up dropping a title I've collected for more than 20 years (though it hardly fills me with joy)
That's DC's decision, and other than post my views on the subject and by voting with my money (i.e. NOT buying something), there's not really much I can do.
What I DO have a problem with is posters who are clearing loving what DC IS doing, and get pissed off and start attacking people who post views that don't coincide with their own.
When did it become OK to tell people off or tell them to stop posting just because someone else's opinions are not the same as their own?
That really pisses me off. As a newspaper editor, I run letters all the time from readers who don't agree with my editorials. That's life. That makes for great reading.
When did having a difference of opinion become something bad?

[holtom2000]

You call that cheesy? This is cheesy:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-z9ymVmU0Y

that post is great BTW...

[astronato]

Lord, and I steamed right now.
Not that Fakerstorm seems destined for the Justice League, and that I'll probably end up dropping a title I've collected for more than 20 years (though it hardly fills me with joy)
That's DC's decision, and other than post my views on the subject and by voting with my money (i.e. NOT buying something), there's not really much I can do.
What I DO have a problem with is posters who are clearing loving what DC IS doing, and get pissed off and start attacking people who post views that don't coincide with their own.
When did it become OK to tell people off or tell them to stop posting just because someone else's opinions are not the same as their own?
That really pisses me off. As a newspaper editor, I run letters all the time from readers who don't agree with my editorials. That's life. That makes for great reading.
When did having a difference of opinion become something bad?

I'd drop JLA too if I hadn't dropped it already.

And you go on asking for what you want.

I know I will.

[Carter101]

..
That really pisses me off. As a newspaper editor, I run letters all the time from readers who don't agree with my editorials. That's life. That makes for great reading.
When did having a difference of opinion become something bad?

I sure hope not pal. And maybe he won't stay long on JLA, maybe he will, (I don't care either way cause i love the book since my g-pa, r.i.p. a year today, got me hooked on 'em), but i guess this will give you almost 3 dollars to try something new if you want too. JSA is awesome if you like team books...

[holtom2000]

I sure hope not pal. And maybe he won't stay long on JLA, maybe he will, (I don't care either way cause i love the book since my g-pa, r.i.p. a year today, got me hooked on 'em), but i guess this will give you almost 3 dollars to try something new if you want too. JSA is awesome if you like team books...

jsa's been the best team book at DC for some time... love it
sadly my pull list continues to shrink - pretty much only getting what Johns and Ostrander write these days... but at least I know it's going to be good stuff

[Carter101]

jsa's been the best team book at DC for some time... love it
sadly my pull list continues to shrink - pretty much only getting what Johns and Ostrander write these days... but at least I know it's going to be good stuff
So true! I love his Corps War, and the inf. crisis,,,, well i love johns quite a bit and Ostrander rocks the house... But remember with 52, Ronnie could still be out there somewhere...hopefully not the nazi world but you never know;)

[Carter101]

http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb101/Carter101_photo/001ebk4f.gif
Tiny Ronnie Mugen by evilgrins..Shoot this could of been an awesome game.. I really wish if the make a new JL Heroes that he is in it.(to be truthfully i hope a lot of people are in it):D

[Spade]

Lord, and I steamed right now.
Not that Fakerstorm seems destined for the Justice League, and that I'll probably end up dropping a title I've collected for more than 20 years (though it hardly fills me with joy)
That's DC's decision, and other than post my views on the subject and by voting with my money (i.e. NOT buying something), there's not really much I can do.
What I DO have a problem with is posters who are clearing loving what DC IS doing, and get pissed off and start attacking people who post views that don't coincide with their own.
When did it become OK to tell people off or tell them to stop posting just because someone else's opinions are not the same as their own?
That really pisses me off. As a newspaper editor, I run letters all the time from readers who don't agree with my editorials. That's life. That makes for great reading.
When did having a difference of opinion become something bad?


Lol. You always make multiple negative comments whenever anyone makes a postive thread about Jason Rusch. You don't think you are guilty of the same behavior you describe above?

[holtom2000]

Lol. You always make multiple negative comments whenever anyone makes a postive thread about Jason Rusch. You don't think you are guilty of the same behavior you describe above?

I don't hide my dislike for Jason, and will debate it vigorously...
What I won't do, and what my big problem is, is tell someone their opinion doesn't matter matter and that they shouldn't post what they think. never did that once. never will. it's just RUDE. That's the BIG difference
and when Fakerstorm's title was still going, I NEVER openly wished for the title to fail... as people were making a living from it.

[Spade]

I don't hide my dislike for Jason, and will debate it vigorously...
What I won't do, and what my big problem is, is tell someone their opinion doesn't matter matter and that they shouldn't post what they think. never did that once. never will. it's just RUDE. That's the BIG difference
and when Fakerstorm's title was still going, I NEVER openly wished for the title to fail... as people were making a living from it.


What the difference in "never" openly wishing for the title to end and opening admitting to not reading the title after a spell, condeming the character of Jason Rusch, and demanding the return of Ronnie Raymond as the lead in every pro Jason Rusch thread or Firestorm issue review? I see no difference in what you do and what you claim others do to you.

[holtom2000]

What the difference in "never" openly wishing for the title to end and opening admitting to not reading the title after a spell, condeming the character of Jason Rusch, and demanding the return of Ronnie Raymond as the lead in every pro Jason Rusch thread or Firestorm issue review? I see no difference in what you do and what you claim others do to you.

take a look at some of the posts directed my way. I'm basically told by some that I'm a "whining fan-boy" and "bye" and "I'm tired of hearing your point of view, so stop already"
1. I don't attack other posters
2. I don't ever tell posters not to write down what they think of believe

What can I do to get Ronnie back? Not much, other than spend my dollars wisely and voice my concerns, the same as Jason supporters do. I don't have a problem with that.
The problem I have is the personal attacks and the trying to shut out debate.
What I do isn't going to make much if any difference in DC's plans.
You want to spout off on the greatness of Jason? Be my guest. I'll never tell you you can't do that. That's what makes my editorials pages among the best in my province - healthy, back-and-forth debate

If you can't tell the difference between advocating a character I enjoy, and having someone insult you and tell you to stop posting because your opinion doesn't matter, then there's not much more to say.

[Spade]

take a look at some of the posts directed my way. I'm basically told by some that I'm a "whining fan-boy" and "bye" and "I'm tired of hearing your point of view, so stop already"
1. I don't attack other posters
2. I don't ever tell posters not to write down what they think of believe

What can I do to get Ronnie back? Not much, other than spend my dollars wisely and voice my concerns, the same as Jason supporters do. I don't have a problem with that.
The problem I have is the personal attacks and the trying to shut out debate.
What I do isn't going to make much if any difference in DC's plans.
You want to spout off on the greatness of Jason? Be my guest. I'll never tell you you can't do that. That's what makes my editorials pages among the best in my province - healthy, back-and-forth debate

If you can't tell the difference between advocating a character I enjoy, and having someone insult you and tell you to stop posting because your opinion doesn't matter, then there's not much more to say.

I have read them. Cause and effect. Cause and effect.

Is the name calling and personal attacks too much? Yes. However, I think you bring most of it on by your own behavior. So both parties are wrong in my eyes. If you support Ronnie Raymond I would suggest you do it a more postive manner than some of the bordeline trolling your posting behavior leans towards. I don't think you did anything in this thread. I'm just asking to re-examine your own behavior and not play victim.

That's it from me.

[holtom2000]

if you can't separate name-calling, and telling people their opinion doesn't matter so don't bother posting, to friendly if at times heated debate about a character, so be it.
luckily I don't run my newspaper that way. My best papers have great back-and-forth between people debating the issues.
You know what I don't see in my newspaper? People writing in, telling people their opinion doesn't matter, and to stop sending letters in the editor because their opinion doesn't matter.

I don't like Fakerstorm, but I sure don't tell people they're wrong to like him. people like what they like.
You know what they say about people who deal only in absolutes.
No one's going to sway one side or the other. All you can do is put forth your opinions, and people will either disagree or they'll agree.
As far as I'm concerned, either side is entitled, and should continue to, advocate for their favourite character.
What one side shouldn't do is tell the other side their opinion doesn't matter, and to stop posting.

But hey, if you think people are entitled to say and do that, or that I have all this coming because I like to post about Ronnie and debate him vs. Jason, that's your opinion...

[Cat-Scratch]

Personally, I'd like to see both Jason and Ronny be Firestorm. I like both. The one who initiates the merger is the dominate one until knocked out, then the other takes over. They can also bring in others to "up" the power. Who knows, this could work and be for all Firestorm fans to be happy? Combining as much of both together?

[holtom2000]

Personally, I'd like to see both Jason and Ronny be Firestorm. I like both. The one who initiates the merger is the dominate one until knocked out, then the other takes over. They can also bring in others to "up" the power. Who knows, this could work and be for all Firestorm fans to be happy? Combining as much of both together?

I would be more than happy with that, and have said so before.

[Herald]

if you can't separate name-calling, and telling people their opinion doesn't matter so don't bother posting, to friendly if at times heated debate about a character, so be it.
luckily I don't run my newspaper that way. My best papers have great back-and-forth between people debating the issues.
You know what I don't see in my newspaper? People writing in, telling people their opinion doesn't matter, and to stop sending letters in the editor because their opinion doesn't matter.

I don't like Fakerstorm, but I sure don't tell people they're wrong to like him. people like what they like.
You know what they say about people who deal only in absolutes.
No one's going to sway one side or the other. All you can do is put forth your opinions, and people will either disagree or they'll agree.
As far as I'm concerned, either side is entitled, and should continue to, advocate for their favourite character.
What one side shouldn't do is tell the other side their opinion doesn't matter, and to stop posting.

But hey, if you think people are entitled to say and do that, or that I have all this coming because I like to post about Ronnie and debate him vs. Jason, that's your opinion...

Agreed.

You'd think you were personally insulting the people responding, when you're actually talking about a fictional character. Funny how you're not allowed to disagree with the group, not really...

[astronato]

It was good to see Ronnie briefly in the Booster book.

I'd love for a Booster story or two that featured him as Firestorm.

[holtom2000]

not a great day for Ronnie fans... though hardly unexpected.
thankfully Ronnie will still likely make an appearance in Booster Gold

[Metall-x]

Jason will never truly be firestorm in my book.

[Louis Lane]

>It was good to see Ronnie briefly in the Booster book.

Hopefully, with each of DC's 52 Earths featuring alternate timelines and dimensions, we'll see the return of Ronnie Raymond sometime soon.

I wouldn't mind reading a team-up between the multiple versions of Firestorm.

And they would need to toss Firehawk and the Black Bison in for good measure.

LL

[BubbaKanoosh]

http://fc04.deviantart.com/fs10/i/2006/114/3/e/Firestorm_by_marciotakara.jpg

[BubbaKanoosh]

http://fc04.deviantart.com/fs8/i/2005/335/c/d/Lil_Firestorm_coloured_by_Kitsune_2077.j pg

[holtom2000]

wicked art. bravo

more from the past. ah memories... i had most of those figures, including Firestorm... and loved the old cartoon

http://www.planetforce.com/SPOWERSLSE.JPG

http://images.wikia.com/marvel_dc/images/thumb/b/b6/Firestorm_SuperFriends.jpg/180px-Firestorm_SuperFriends.jpg

[astronato]

http://fc04.deviantart.com/fs8/i/2005/335/c/d/Lil_Firestorm_coloured_by_Kitsune_2077.j pg

I love that.

And the previous one too.

Thanks.

[astronato]

Here is a cool Firestorm fan site........... Nuclear Reactions (http://otaku.memory-motel.net/firestorm/)

[Herald]

I may have to draw a pic! :)

[astronato]

I may have to draw a pic! :)

Do it! <AAAA>

[DBHughes]

http://www.flemart.com/firestorm2.jpg

Wow! Where did that come from? I know it's too much to hope for, but is it a poster? :D

[Cat-Scratch]

I may have to draw a pic! :)

Oh look, a Weiser-ism. He may sue you now. :rolleyes: ;)

[astronato]

It's by Tom Fleming. I think it was done for that DC card game. What's it called?

Here is a link to his stuff........ http://www.flemart.com

[Herald]

Oh look, a Weiser-ism. He may sue you now. :rolleyes: ;)

Nah, I'm sure he'll say he will sue, but not actually do it. ;) :p

[Cat-Scratch]

Nah, I'm sure he'll say he will sue, but not actually do it. ;) :p

Yes, he likes making threats. But the guy is like Droopy the Dog, but without the funny or cute.

[astronato]

Ha ha. Funny........

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[Metall-x]

Why did Ronnie Raymond/Firestorm, never show up in the JLU cartoon? He would have been awesome as handled by Timm and co.

[astronato]

I may have to draw a pic! :)

Are you done yet? :p

http://www.mp-shoot.com/comics101/images/2005/feb2/united.jpg

[Metall-x]

They need to make a Ronnie Raymond Timmverse cartoon. It would be awesome!

[bhudson1972]

I'm always looking for back issues to pursue at the nearby comic shops or when I'm out on vacation. I don't know a lot about Firestorm, but I know I've always enjoyed the issues that I've come across. Of the few issues that I own, I really enjoyed the story arc that ran from #62 - #65 and Annual #5. I think part of that is how much I enjoyed John Ostrander's writing during that time. I also own Captain Atom #5. When I was younger, I remember reading his 8 page stories at the end of the Flash.

I've always thought the fact that Firestorm is made up of two individuals is very unique among heroes and a great aspect to his character.

Anyway, getting back to what I was saying, this thread got me pumped up to go out and buy some Fury of Firestorm back issues. I recently purchased #1 - #4 and #41 - #42.

I would be interested in getting his very first mini from 1978 if I ever come upon it.

[Evernut]

I really dug the issues where he fought the Hyena:

http://www.comics.org/graphics/covers/2628/400/2628_4_010.jpg



Yes! Someone else remembers The Hyena! She was always one of my favorite supervillains. I loved the battles in the original series and the ones that appeared in the back of Flash. I generally didn't care for the Hyena stories in Fury of Firestorm, but the one where Firestorm went to Africa to find a cure after being infected himself was something.

I haven't read most of this thread, but I loved the classic Firestorm as well. Recently I decided to sell some of my comics, and I looked through my issues of Fury of Firestorm and thought, "I can't sell these! They totally rock!" There were even a couple of Flash comics I thought about selling, but kept just for the Firestorm adventures in the back.

[FirestormX]

This is one ot the things that I thought interesting about the FS and the relationship with is rogues gallery, pretty much most of them he had some type of connection to and couldn't really fight them full out.

Examples:

Killer Frost - Had a somewhat one sided relationship with Martin
Black Bison - One of Ronnie's teachers that became possessed due to his grandfather's spells.
Hyena - Defintely the most difficult foe he had to fight since she was his girlfriend's sister.
Multiplex - Had a working relationship with Martin
2000 Committee - The agent working against FS was none other than Martin's ex wife (can't remember her name right now)
Firehawk - Remember she was a villain's pawn at first, Lorreine Reilly, who was in love with FS.
Typhoon - Former co-worker with Martin.

[astronato]

Ronnie goes pro wrestler........
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[astronato]

Super Dickery!
http://stlcomics.com/ebaystr/firestorm.v1.2.2.jpg

[holtom2000]

Firestorm the pro wrestler - soon to be battling the Thing in a special Marvel-DC crossover

[palpatine17]

The only thing that bothers me about Ronnie Raymond is that he looks too much like Lightray from the New Gods and newcomers to the DC Universe could easily get the two mixed up. :(

[astronato]

Hey Firestorm fans....

There is a new Firestorm figure coming soon from the DC Universe Classic line.

http://dcuniverseclassics.com

http://dcuniverseclassics.com/Wave-2/Firestorm

[Maus]

Has anyone posted this? One of my favorite issues back in the day...

http://nuclearfan.tripod.com/fs2_009.jpg

[holtom2000]

i stumbled onto some nice custom figures
i would love a JLU Firestorm figure - he was in the comic
same as blue beetle
http://www.joeacevedo.com/images/customzone/customcon/lars2005/jlu1.jpg

http://www.joeacevedo.com/images/customzone/customcon/lars2005/jlu5.jpg

[astronato]

From JUSTICE LEAGUE OF AMERICA #193

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2369/1999091253_cbdc0c8862_o.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2014/1999099493_5fe489d27d_o.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2166/1999908770_e0883fe857_o.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2302/1999120891_57f63b60e8_o.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2277/1999934336_77078d01a4_o.jpg

[holtom2000]

greatest JLofA story of all time bar none

[astronato]

greatest JLofA story of all time bar none

When Barry Allen tells you to shut up. You know you've done wrong. :p

[Herald]

Look what I just found! :D

http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/7634/firestorm6nd.jpg

[caats19]

that's good stuff, but more proof that we dont' really need barry back.

[BanMan]

From JUSTICE LEAGUE OF AMERICA #193


Sure makes it sound like Barry should've led the JLA for a while.

[Herald]

http://images.comiccollectorlive.com/27CF9EA1-7C8E-4724-868A-005B93F5C503/EDE7BBDE-4FAB-47B4-9C2C-2C67EB6EEC71/D72F0E71-3712-4C6E-A010-16EAF8C4570A.jpg

[caats19]

http://www-personal.umich.edu/~superman/blogimages/firestorm6.jpg

[Lupek]

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2073/2038259062_7c442273f7.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2264/2000086050_2fc85e96fc_b.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2393/2000103794_7d3e9cbbf3_b.jpg

[Lupek]

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2013/1999323595_e1868cac7f_b.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2046/1999341745_357458af24_b.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2099/2000156762_a9d7e2ec52_b.jpg

[holtom2000]

When Barry Allen tells you to shut up. You know you've done wrong. :p

isn't that the truth

[Lupek]

I'd like to see Ronnie join the cast of the Booster Gold book.