View Full Version : I love Superman and Batman, so why do I hate Superman Batman?
superless2
03-20-2007, 04:23 PM
I love both Superman and Batman. I love stories written about them, but damn it if I cannot bring myself to purchase Superman Batman. Is it the art or the plot or both? Maybe part of it is that they are pretty much Superman stories with Batman in them....but I love Superman...so what is the problem?
Anyone else feel this way?
Punchy
03-20-2007, 04:26 PM
Because it's had ____ writers, having characters you like is not enough.
Zabardast
03-20-2007, 04:30 PM
Crappy story. It's late all the time. It's not taken seriously. Any of these.
Dragavon
03-20-2007, 04:36 PM
Loeb made it into the comic book version of a summer popcorn movie. After that it has been forgettable.
Ben Strasser
03-20-2007, 04:40 PM
Maybe part of it is that they are pretty much Superman stories with Batman in them
That's the problem for me particularly with the current arc. I'm dropping it for a while till Dustin Nguyen starts his arc as artist. I wanted to see him on Batman for longer than that one arc a while back.
Plus, the S/B book itself has definitely lost something since Loeb left. His stuff especially the first arc with McGuinness was fun.
Bane122
03-20-2007, 06:59 PM
It's a redundant book.
They are both in JLA, do we really need another book with the two of them? It that their "extra special" clubhouse (no girls allowed)?
astronato
03-20-2007, 07:05 PM
I just read a Superman/Batman story (Tell Me If You've Heard This One Before...) that was in the Superman/Batman Greatest Stories Ever Told tpb and it was awful. The art was lovely but the dialogue was excruciatingly bad. They should never let Joe Kelly near Superman or Batman again.
I was thinking about getting the Superman/Batman trades. Is it all as bad as this?
HartyPotter
03-20-2007, 07:08 PM
Simply put, it's one of the worst books on the stands. I loved Loeb's Superman Batman when the Superman core titles and Batman core titles sucked. Now the Superman and Batman core titles are better than they've been in a long time, and Superman Batman sucks, it's marginalized.
loupgaroukid
03-20-2007, 07:32 PM
Joe Kelly's Superman/Batman Annual was excellent, IMO. To me he is the only writer, besides the departed Mr. Loeb, who gets the dynamic between the Big 2, and why they need their own book.
There is enough material between Bats and Supes, and their respective "families" to fuel plenty of stories, IF they can manage to shift the focus away from supposed events and focus on the characters...and not let the title characters get pushed out of their own book for the sake of pimping lesser characters.
BillReed
03-20-2007, 08:09 PM
Characters don't make a story, dude. Writing and art do.
tralfaz
03-20-2007, 08:10 PM
Characters don't make a story, dude. Writing and art do.
and pat lee sure aint gonna save it.
the reason why it worked in the beginning was because it had a direction, now it just exists. either give it some meaning or get rid of the book
zodcomplex
03-20-2007, 08:25 PM
This book should have ended @ #26, the Sam Loeb tribute issue. The latest story arc is horrible, and it led to me dropping the title. Part of the appeal of Loeb's run on the title were the artists he was paired with. Nothing against Matthew Clark, but his art doesn't compare w/ McGuinness, Turner, or Pacheco. The current arc is a perfect example of how a good 2-3 issue story can magically become a boring, drawn out six issue arc. The first four arcs were great, even though "With a Vengeance" was too confusing for it's own good. Like another poster said, this was essentially the comic equivalent of a Michael Bay film.
superless2
03-20-2007, 08:33 PM
and pat lee sure aint gonna save it.
the reason why it worked in the beginning was because it had a direction, now it just exists. either give it some meaning or get rid of the book
That Pat Lee art looks atrocious.......call it Superman Batman - The Manga.......NO THANKS!!!
superless2
03-20-2007, 08:35 PM
Superman and Batman vs. The Metal Hentai Tentacle Monsters
http://dccomics.com/media/covers/6935_400x600.jpg http://dccomics.com/media/covers/7297_400x600.jpg
The Spirit
03-20-2007, 09:05 PM
It was fun under loeb. it was really good. as someone said, like s popcorn type thing. now it sucks.
Regulator
03-20-2007, 09:07 PM
Joe Kelly's Superman/Batman Annual was excellent, IMO. To me he is the only writer, besides the departed Mr. Loeb, who gets the dynamic between the Big 2, and why they need their own book.
There is enough material between Bats and Supes, and their respective "families" to fuel plenty of stories, IF they can manage to shift the focus away from supposed events and focus on the characters...and not let the title characters get pushed out of their own book for the sake of pimping lesser characters.
You must be from one of the alternate dimensions that those two fools keep basing their plots around. Yawn.
It was ok under Loeb for two arcs, then it just got moronic. Now it's just bland, cookie-cutter superheroics.
Inactiveman
03-20-2007, 09:33 PM
It feels like it has the quality of bad "5th week" issues like those Elseworlds they did years ago. Bad writting, bad art, and since its not in continuity nobody bothers to improve.
Moonbeam
03-20-2007, 09:50 PM
I thought this sounded pretty cool and worth a try ...
SUPERMAN/BATMAN #37
Written by Alan Burnett
Art and cover by Dustin Nguyen & Derek Fridolf
Variant cover by Claudio Castellini
Get ready for an epic tale written by Alan Burnett (Batman Beyond, The Superman/Batman Adventures animated series) with art by Dustin Nguyen (BATMAN) & Derek Fridolf! This haunting 6-part story arc will challenge Batman’s and Superman’s very souls, and could only be titled “Torment.”
Retailers: This issue will feature two covers that may be ordered separately. The Standard Edition cover is by Dustin Nguyen & Derek Fridolf; one copy of the Variant Edition, with a cover by Claudio Castellini, may be ordered for every 10 copies of the Standard Edition ordered. Please see the Previews Order Form for further details.
On sale June 27 • 32 pg, FC, $2.99 US
- Vaneta
IceGambit
03-20-2007, 10:39 PM
Because it makes a Superman/Batman team-up less special when there's an ongoing dedicated to it.
This book should have ended @ #26, the Sam Loeb tribute issue.
Agreed. It lost something after this. As an ongoing - no. As an occasional mini series- yes.
neko85
03-21-2007, 12:15 AM
I liked it in the beginning (was that when Loeb was still on it?) but soon lost interest...
Although I think the cover with the Metal Men looks sweet...
O_o
Crappy story. It's late all the time. It's not taken seriously. Any of these.
That's it for me, I don't have money for sideshows. Loeb was good, but i have no interest in it these days
TheGrayHulk
03-21-2007, 12:59 AM
I love both Superman and Batman. I love stories written about them, but damn it if I cannot bring myself to purchase Superman Batman. Is it the art or the plot or both? Maybe part of it is that they are pretty much Superman stories with Batman in them....but I love Superman...so what is the problem?
Anyone else feel this way?
Because they're the night and the day... they're just too different (Miller knew this). They shouldn't work together (not too much, at least). The problem, of course, is that they're DC's most popular characters... and they just do the math and think is a great way to sell comics to the kids... even though they just don't work together.
My opinion, at least.
God-Man
03-21-2007, 01:16 AM
I love both Superman and Batman. I love stories written about them, but damn it if I cannot bring myself to purchase Superman Batman. Is it the art or the plot or both? Maybe part of it is that they are pretty much Superman stories with Batman in them....but I love Superman...so what is the problem?
Anyone else feel this way?
Yea, I feel the same way. The problem with Superman/Batman is that it's just not very good. In fact, it hasn't been very good since Loeb's final arc.
I thought this sounded pretty cool and worth a try ...
SUPERMAN/BATMAN #37
Written by Alan Burnett
Art and cover by Dustin Nguyen & Derek Fridolf
Variant cover by Claudio Castellini
Get ready for an epic tale written by Alan Burnett (Batman Beyond, The Superman/Batman Adventures animated series) with art by Dustin Nguyen (BATMAN) & Derek Fridolf! This haunting 6-part story arc will challenge Batman’s and Superman’s very souls, and could only be titled “Torment.”
Retailers: This issue will feature two covers that may be ordered separately. The Standard Edition cover is by Dustin Nguyen & Derek Fridolf; one copy of the Variant Edition, with a cover by Claudio Castellini, may be ordered for every 10 copies of the Standard Edition ordered. Please see the Previews Order Form for further details.
On sale June 27 • 32 pg, FC, $2.99 US
- Vaneta
They lost me when they called it "Torment".. talk about bad associations!
superless2
03-21-2007, 08:05 AM
So is the book in continuity or not?
roshambo
03-21-2007, 10:04 AM
So is the book in continuity or not?
i think it straddles the line...pretty much pick and choose, but generally not. i'm sure the first couple arcs were, with Luthor and Supergirl.
but i'm dropping it after the Metal Men thing...i'm about "6-part epic"ed out. the current story is taxing me as it is.
Aeopile
03-21-2007, 11:50 AM
So is the book in continuity or not?
You got me! Early in the arc, it shows the updated Manhunter... but then it shows Luthor (a wanted criminal as of the end of Up, Up, and Away) in the open, and Batman finds him with little trouble. But in Superman 659, he is reflecting on what has happened to him recently, and he mentions all the Superman stories except the Donner Superkid stuff, and even refers to adventures with the league, and some stuff working directly with Batman (reference to Enemies Among Us).
I'm sticking through the 6th part, and then I'm dropping this title faster that you can say Ambesol
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