Bring Back Ted Thread - your suggestions [Archive]

vbartilucci

03-20-2007, 02:58 PM

"It's been years", said Dan Didio at Wizard World LA referring to Blue Beetle's death, "Get over it!"

Well, the fact that he's still getting crap for it all this time later may eventually get to him.

So we better come up with plausible resurrection stories now.

And no, I don't want a Superboy punch.

According to 52, Kord Omniversal is still a major player in Booster's home time - Skeets' components are made by them. But if Ted is gone, why would another company keep the name? It'd get bought by Waynetech or Lexcorp, cannibalized and the name would lay fallow. So there should be a reason that the company still exists centuries hence. Simple - Ted came back and kept it going.

The loose thread is obvious - we never saw the body being destroyed. Sasha was supposed to cremate it and destroy all evidence, but she sent off the goggles; who's to say she didn't stash the body somewhere? Also, whoever Everyman was working for in Manhunter had access to a Bug - odds are it's the one Ted took to Checkmate castle. So there's MORE stuff that didn't get destroyed. So it's fair to assume the body is intact, if ventilated and decaying.

The heroes feel they OWE it to Ted, and do something to bring him back. And now that he's been outed as a pretty smart guy and a competent detective, I think he'd be very useful to Checkmate. And he'd be able to take the organization that killed him (so to speak) and turn it around.

In short, Ted becomes DC's version of Tony Stark. Without the fascism tho.

Your turn...

nietoperz

03-20-2007, 03:03 PM

I miss the character, but dead should be dead. Let's leave him as he is.

BatWolverine

03-20-2007, 03:03 PM

WayneTech buys Ted Ominversal and keeps it going (with the name)...

...ala Ford with Jaguar, Volvo, Mazda or Diamler with Chrysler, Dodge etc. ;)

SouthtownKid

03-20-2007, 03:05 PM

"It's been years", said Dan Didio at Wizard World LA referring to Blue Beetle's death, "Get over it!"Didio beat me to my suggestion.

Suggestion #2: Straight-up trade to the Grim Reaper. Beetle for Booster.

BatWolverine

03-20-2007, 03:12 PM

Didio beat me to my suggestion.

Suggestion #2: Straight-up trade to the Grim Reaper. Beetle for Booster.
Suggestion #3: Beetle AS the Grim Reaper. ;) :p :D

JoeGKushner

03-20-2007, 03:20 PM

Throw his carcass into the lazarus pit.

Or have Captain Atom/Monarch save an alternate him from some universe that's collapsing due to the manipulations of Luthor during Infinite Crisis.

BatWolverine

03-20-2007, 03:22 PM

Have him (too) father a hereto unknown son with Talia...Temian!! ;) :p

JAGII

03-20-2007, 04:29 PM

According to 52, Kord Omniversal is still a major player in Booster's home time - Skeets' components are made by them. But if Ted is gone, why would another company keep the name? It'd get bought by Waynetech or Lexcorp, cannibalized and the name would lay fallow.

Actually, I think Waynetech does own Kord Omniversal. If I remember correctly, Beetle went bankrupt during his JLI days and then during, the dark days of Extreme Justice or post-Giffen/Pre-Morrison JLA, Bruce Wayne bought the company but still allowed Ted to run it. I think thats how it went. Can anyone confirm or deny this?

Anyway, here's one of my ideas for bringing back Ted (a timely one, given your William Gibson reference on the Metal Men thread):

Around the time that Ted developed a heart condition, Kord Omniversal was developing limited AI equipment, something to help Alzheimer's patients. It wasn't intended to be as grandiose as the Metal Men or Red Tornado, but a device that would develop mathematical equations of probability based on the individuals temperament, beliefs, and prior decisions. Again, it wouldn't be perfect, but it could help "sustain" memory while they continued working on the patient.

Anyway, on one of his more melodramatic "I'm gonna die from heart failure" moments, Ted decides to start programing himself into the machine. However, his attention is soon drawn away to his Checkmate research and he forgets about the project. And then gets shot in the head.

Cut to several years later, when the current Blue Beetle is fighting an older Beetle villain with connections to Kord Omniversal (the Mad Men? Dr. Alchemy?). After discovering Ted's workshop, he comes across the machine, which Ted fashioned into the shape of a small, robot version of himself (like H.E.R.B.I.E.!). Jamie activates the machine and gets himself a mentor in the shape of robo-Ted!

The trick here, and the one thing that could possibly save this from being a horrible cute-sy concept, is that robo-Ted isn't really Ted at all. He doesn't have full AI and, what's worse, is programmed from Ted's view of himself. So robo-Ted seems to make decisions based on two poles: sometimes he acts out of Ted's idealistic side, which drove him to be a hero like Dan Garrett; sometimes he acts of Ted's depressed side, which sees himself as an overweight, heart-failin', joke of a hero and disgrace to the Beetle name.

Again, this could be a terrible concept, but it would leave Ted dead, allowing Jamie to carry on, while also connecting the Blue Beetles to one another and fleshing out aspects of Ted's character.

rwe1138

03-20-2007, 04:31 PM

I'd be fine with Ted returning, so long as Jaime Reyes is still around.

BatWolverine

03-20-2007, 04:33 PM

Jamie activates the machine and gets himself a mentor in the shape of robo-Ted!
RoboT-ed(ucation) from Robo-TED, eh. ;)

cncoyle

03-20-2007, 04:35 PM

Or have Captain Atom/Monarch save an alternate him from some universe that's collapsing due to the manipulations of Luthor during Infinite Crisis.Or have Booster Gold yank Ted from the timestream nanoseconds before the bullet hits, clone his body and place the soulless clone in Ted's place.

astronato

03-20-2007, 04:35 PM

One day out of nowhere he just pops out of Bobby Ewings shower stall.

Nah, too Winnicky.

BatWolverine

03-20-2007, 04:36 PM

Or have Booster Gold yank Ted from the timestream nanoseconds before the bullet hits, clone his body and place the soulless clone in Ted's place.
Soulless clone of Ted...

...hmm, you mean Booster should place himself in Ted's place. ;)

KoozyK

03-20-2007, 05:00 PM

he died no more a mortal death than olllie did. so, just get kevin smith to bring him back.

BatWolverine

03-20-2007, 05:05 PM

he died no more a mortal death than olllie did. so, just get kevin smith to bring him back.
If not him, get Paul 'Captain Marvel' Jenkins.

ManifestFury

03-20-2007, 05:23 PM

cncoyle

03-20-2007, 05:30 PM

he died no more a mortal death than olllie did. so, just get kevin smith to bring him back.My time travel solution makes 1,000,000 times more sense than "Spectre-Reconstituted Lint/Superman's Detergent Sucks".

Hey, shouldn't there be some perks to having a time-travelling buddy? Maybe Booster Gold's new series could be him going back in time and saving all of 'his' Justice League from dying: Ice, Sue, Ralph, Ted, etc.

JAGII

03-20-2007, 05:41 PM

My time travel solution makes 1,000,000 times more sense than "Spectre-Reconstituted Lint/Superman's Detergent Sucks".

Hey, shouldn't there be some perks to having a time-travelling buddy? Maybe Booster Gold's new series could be him going back in time and saving all of 'his' Justice League from dying: Ice, Sue, Ralph, Ted, etc.

I do think something like that will happen in Booster's book, with at least Ted.

I'm a little concerned about that, though; Johns does not do humor well, and doesn't really seem to like humor. I don't know the other writer's work, so maybe he can bring that element, but I would hate to read a humorless Blue and Gold book.

BatWolverine

03-20-2007, 05:44 PM

I do think something like that will happen in Booster's book, with at least Ted.

I'm a little concerned about that, though; Johns does not do humor well, and doesn't really seem to like humor. I don't know the other writer's work, so maybe he can bring that element, but I would hate to read a humorless Blue and Gold book.
How can you say Johns doesn't do humor? Just see the amount of laughs he got over his SBoy Prime's knocking Pantha's head off. :rolleyes:

...granted none of it was from the fans/readers.

cvain

03-20-2007, 10:16 PM

well, one "solution" ive been thinking of could actually be an explanation of "the missing 52 seconds." Booster and Rip already faked a death by using a corpse from the future, but that time it wasnt a problem because they were going to incinerate it anyway, so all it needed was common DNA. itd be hard to do this with Ted because he has to die and be found in order for there not to be a time paradox. Even if they took him, went for billions of adventures, and then reinsterted him a split second after they took him, the "aging" would show, and it would be a bust. so, what they need to do, is take the body from right after it had died, and switch it for the living one just before it gets shot. so essentially the body would get shot twice, but only die once. now the time in between getting shot and dying probably isnt exactly instantenous, in fact, i could see it taking as long as 52 seconds. there would still be a time shift, but it would seem like no big deal. of course, it probably is, thus whatever "Countdown" is counting down to.

i dont really think this is what is going to happen, but it is a way to have Kord chill with Booster and Rip Hunter as the go have time-verse adventures.

Moonbeam

03-20-2007, 10:20 PM

I miss the character, but dead should be dead. Let's leave him as he is.

I'm with this suggestion myself.

But I'm always open to a fun time travel story.

- Vaneta

neko85

03-21-2007, 12:23 AM

If Booster Gold was able to have two of him running around at the same time... three actually if you consider the dead body he dropped off... why is it so hard to consider that booster saved him?

Or, maybe in his own series booster WILL save him!

Ted is tooo good a character to waste...
-MF

Well it's certainly plausible, I'll give you that. It'd be nice if it were true...

But I can't wait for that Booster series though!

And it'd sure be nice to have Blue and Gold again though..

I am ever hopeful.

[crosses fingers]

^_^

Herowatcher

03-21-2007, 02:58 AM

Ted Kord needs to come back and become the one and only Blue Beetle again.

If DC can revise things with Infinite Crisis then Ted Kord could have easily been grazed by Max's bullet in Countdown. Max would've thought he was dead, but Sasha saw different and is hiding the body until Ted recovers.

Kal El is Superman, Princess Diana is Wonder Woman, Bruce Wayne is Batman

and

Ted Kord is the Blue Beetle.

nuff said.

vbartilucci

03-21-2007, 09:39 AM

I'm a little concerned about that, though; Johns does not do humor well, and doesn't really seem to like humor. I don't know the other writer's work, so maybe he can bring that element, but I would hate to read a humorless Blue and Gold book.
That Captain Carrot thing wasn't funny?

Stars and STRIPE?

Maxine Hunkel's dialogue in JSA #1?

Johns can do funny.

Jamal Y. Igle

03-21-2007, 10:26 AM

cncoyle

03-21-2007, 10:28 AM

it's the one thing I hate more than anything else about this business.See, I'd think you creators would hate the crappy healthcare plans...

Cyphon

03-21-2007, 10:32 AM

No offense but Walt Disney's been dead for decades and there's still a Walt Disney company. I liked Ted but death shouldn't be a revolving door in comics. it's the one thing I hate more than anything else about this business.

There's a question for one of those Rama articles asking the talent: What do you hate most about the business?

Jamal Y. Igle

03-21-2007, 04:43 PM

See, I'd think you creators would hate the crappy healthcare plans...
Actually I have a really good healthcare plan.

cncoyle

03-21-2007, 05:02 PM

Actually I have a really good healthcare plan.I was obviously being snarky* comparing something serious like healthcare to a mundane topic such as character resurrection.

That's really cool to hear, honestly. I've read so many sad tales about creators with little or no healthcare, so it's refreshing to hear about somebody that's doing well. Are you exclusive to DC or freelance?

(*read: trying to be funny, but not succeeding. It's kinda my schtick.)

BatWolverine

03-21-2007, 05:04 PM

I was obviously being snarky* comparing something serious like healthcare to a mundane topic such as character resurrection.[/SIZE])
Too much coffee again, eh. ;)

...or m-maybe not enough. :eek: :(

:p :D

cncoyle

03-21-2007, 05:07 PM

Too much coffee again, eh. ;)

...or m-maybe not enough. :eek: :(

:p :DDefinitely "not enough". I'm a bottomless pit (literally, I have no bottom, my back ate it.:o)

I just don't want Mr. Igle mad at me! I like his work and I've seen him at Heroes--he could totally whip my ass.:p

Layters

03-21-2007, 05:09 PM

Im torn a death that mattered. Still they made him more interesting before his death and his ressurection would also have a big effect.

Seriously like Isis and Osiris I want them back but it would really damage the reasons for their death. Maybe when their death no longer matters

TCJohnson

03-21-2007, 05:17 PM

I'd be fine with Ted returning, so long as Jaime Reyes is still around.

I would be cool with Ted Kord getting a new identity all together so Jamie could keep his.

BatWolverine

03-21-2007, 05:31 PM

I would be cool with Ted Kord getting a new identity all together so Jamie could keep his.
How does Ted Kord, Black King (of Checkmate) sound?

...poetic irony or just rewards? ;) :D

JAGII

03-21-2007, 05:50 PM

That Captain Carrot thing wasn't funny?

Stars and STRIPE?

Maxine Hunkel's dialogue in JSA #1?

Johns can do funny.

Well, I didn't read Captain Carrot or Stars and STRIPE, so that may bankrupt my argument.

And you are right-- Maxine Hunkel's dialogue is pretty funny, and there have been a few good jokes in his books.

However, I don't think anyone could say he is as interested in writing about the humorous aspects of super-heroics. Sure, he'll throw in a joke here or there, when its convenient, but he seems more interested in tragedy, over-coming adversity, and living with a legacy.

These certainly aren't bad things to write about; I'm just not sure that it will work well for Booster, especially Booster with Beetle.

jedifish

03-21-2007, 06:14 PM

I don't miss Ted Kord. Leave him dead.

Gamma Duck

03-21-2007, 06:34 PM

I always find it funny that people who are perfectly willing to accept people flying, shooting laser beams from their eyes, other-dimensional travel, time travel, monsters, aliens, angels, demons and fooling decade-long co-workers by wearing a pair of glasses have such a fit about characters coming back from the dead. What’s the cut off point between enjoying the fantastic elements of the story and the “oh, well, that’s just unrealistic” attitude? It just makes no sense to me…it’s fantasy, albeit set in modern times. It really should be all or nothing.

Basically, if a death in comics is a good death (and, really, how many of those have there been? Three? Four, maybe?) then, yeah, it shouldn’t be touched. If the death is a piece of crap, like most comic book deaths are, it should absolutely be undone. Ted’s death was one of the more $#!+-tastic I’ve read in comics and, yes, should 100% be undone. Do it with a scarab, do it with time travel, I don’t care…he should come back.

Vic Vega

03-21-2007, 07:24 PM

D.C. is the House Of Grit. Everything That Is Not Gritty Shall Be Destroyed (see Sue Dibney and the JLI).

Beetle can't just be brought back he has to be Gritter as well.

If Beetle had been portrayed as competently as he was in the story got killed off in, Didio would've seen no reason to off him in the first place. Beetle hadn't been played straight since the late 80's Len Wein series.

A sleek stelthy, cyberninja entering fortresses to hack unassailble mainframes is a pretty good hero schtick to have. The fact that he travels around in a survellance hover-tank doesn't hurt either.

He'd need to become a Cyberpunk to be sucessful IMHO.

astronato

03-21-2007, 08:25 PM

Pull him out of the timestream, use magic, use the dreaded Superboy retcon punch, I dont care how they do it. I miss Ted and I want him back as the Blue Beetle.

Herald

03-21-2007, 09:14 PM

"It's been years", said Dan Didio at Wizard World LA referring to Blue Beetle's death, "Get over it!"

To Geoff Johns re: Hal Jordan's death - "It's been years. Get over it!"
To Judd Winick re: Jason Todd's death - "It's been years. Get over it!"

Oh, wait.
OBVIOUSLY, THEY DIDN'T.
And yet, DiDio allowed these people to resurrect these characters!!

Dan DiDio has NO place telling ANYbody to "get over" the death of a character they like, EVER.

HYPOCRITE. :mad:

wonderfish

03-21-2007, 09:37 PM

Am I the only one who actually likes the "revolving door of death"? Death is permanent enough in real life. I wouldn't need fiction if real life had everything I wanted. I like the idea that at least somewhere, people can come back.

I'm personally hoping Booster gets to save him when his new series comes along, or that he at least gets to try. The man deserves it.

(Although I hope Jaime gets to stick around. The two really aren't competing characters, and I love that kid.)

Jamal Y. Igle

03-22-2007, 12:29 AM

I was obviously being snarky* comparing something serious like healthcare to a mundane topic such as character resurrection.

That's really cool to hear, honestly. I've read so many sad tales about creators with little or no healthcare, so it's refreshing to hear about somebody that's doing well. Are you exclusive to DC or freelance?

(*read: trying to be funny, but not succeeding. It's kinda my schtick.)
exclusive until the end of the year.

Action Ace

03-22-2007, 12:58 AM

Hopefully he's still alive with the rest of the JSA on Earth 2.

Whoops, this isn't a Ted Knight thread?

While I'm at it, bring back the Ted Knight from Caddyshack and The Mary Tyler Moore Show too.

astronato

03-22-2007, 01:15 AM

Hopefully he's still alive with the rest of the JSA on Earth 2.

Whoops, this isn't a Ted Knight thread?

While I'm at it, bring back the Ted Knight from Caddyshack and The Mary Tyler Moore Show too.

What? Your not a Theodore Roosevelt fan?

Tirpen

03-22-2007, 06:14 AM

Let him stay dead. I liked Ted as much as anyone, but all these ressurections are getting beyond stupid.

cncoyle

03-22-2007, 09:11 AM

While I'm at it, bring back the Ted Knight from Caddyshack and The Mary Tyler Moore Show too.He was also the guy that narrated SuperFriends.
"Meanwhile, AT the Hall of JUSTICE..."

Moonbeam

03-22-2007, 09:29 AM

There's a question for one of those Rama articles asking the talent: What do you hate most about the business?

Noted.

Kinda negative though. Maybe I'll ask both ends -- what do you like most, and what do you dislike most.

And if I use it, I'll include Jamal again!

- Vaneta

NoFace

03-22-2007, 12:08 PM

Any Ted Kord fans who'd want to help out with this site (http://www.vicsage.com/bluebeetle/), drop me a line.

Gamma Duck

03-22-2007, 12:44 PM

Let him stay dead. I liked Ted as much as anyone, but all these ressurections are getting beyond stupid.

And yet not QUITE as stupid as all the needless deaths.

CodeGuy

03-22-2007, 01:12 PM

Kal El is Superman, Princess Diana is Wonder Woman, Bruce Wayne is Batman

and

Ted Kord is the Blue Beetle.

nuff said.

I don't think this is the best line of logic to take. By that reasoning, Ted Kord should never have existed because Dan Garret, cop who takes experimental Vitamin 2X to get his powers, should have stayed the Blue Beetle forever.

Habitual

03-22-2007, 02:01 PM

Kebab Gud

03-22-2007, 02:11 PM

yea.. threads are useless.. but if i put ted i my signature on SHH he will come back.... worked with Ice.. so now ive put Wally in it :D

astronato

03-22-2007, 04:25 PM

This was a legal issue. The only thing that can resurrect Ted Kord is a good IP Attorney, same with Superboy.

All of these "BRING THEM BACK DC!!!" threads are like watching my buddies 3 year old kid run at the wall as fast as he can, funny, but, painful as well.

Hab

It must be difficult for someone of your stature to have to wade through all this silly kids stuff to get to the really important threads about people in their underwear fighting crime.

I don't want you to put yourself out, but if you could bare to post one more time in here........Ive never heard that bit about it being a legal issue before. Where did you hear/read that? What is the snag?

CodeGuy

03-22-2007, 04:47 PM

There's no way it could be a legal issue. There's someone who looks like the Ted Kord Beetle in Manhunter. That would cause legal problems if there were any to be had.

JAGII

03-22-2007, 04:54 PM

There's no way it could be a legal issue. There's someone who looks like the Ted Kord Beetle in Manhunter. That would cause legal problems if there were any to be had.

There was some copyright issue that kept Beetle out of the JLU cartoon series (he appeared in the Johnny DC book). If I remember right, it had something to do with a character called "Blue Beetle" appearing on "The Electric Company," so a character with the same name couldn't be on a different TV series.

Maybe that's what Habitual was thinking?

CodeGuy

03-22-2007, 05:17 PM

There was some copyright issue that kept Beetle out of the JLU cartoon series (he appeared in the Johnny DC book). If I remember right, it had something to do with a character called "Blue Beetle" appearing on "The Electric Company," so a character with the same name couldn't be on a different TV series.

Maybe that's what Habitual was thinking?

That's interesting. I just looked up Blue Beetle on Wikipedia. According to them, the Electric Company character has been repeatedly referenced on The Dresden Files. I haven't noticed that, maybe it's in the background of his apartment. Wikipedia also says the TV rights to the character ran out in 2006.

Edit: Looks like Wikipedia might be a little off. Another section of the Wikipedia article says that the references were in the books, that it was just the name "Blue Beetle" applied to his car, and that the car was replaced with a different car in the show.

astronato

03-22-2007, 05:56 PM

Wiki said the reason the tv rights were held up was because of the old radio show. But nothing about why Ted Kord couldn't be used in the comics.

Blue Beetle has not appeared in the Justice League Unlimited animated series, although he has been featured in the comic book. This is due to the broadcasting rights of the old radio show; these rights expired in 2006, but the television series was cancelled that same year.[1] Plastic Man has also not appeared on the show for similar reasons involving his animated series, though he is mentioned by name.

On an unrelated note........

I don't read 52 ...Vic Sage is no longer the Question?

JAGII

03-22-2007, 06:19 PM

Wiki said the reason the tv rights were held up was because of the old radio show. But nothing about why Ted Kord couldn't be used in the comics.

Ahhh... is that what it was. You know, its pretty sad that I've gotten too lazy to look up Wikipedia before posting.

On an unrelated note........

I don't read 52 ...Vic Sage is no longer the Question?

Well, he's supposed to be dead. Most people believe that Renee Montoya is going to become the new Question, and 52 is pushing us that way.

I'm not buying it. Vic lives and he's just helping Renee find her way.

astronato

03-22-2007, 06:29 PM

Ahhh... is that what it was. You know, its pretty sad that I've gotten too lazy to look up Wikipedia before posting.

On an unrelated note........

Well, he's supposed to be dead. Most people believe that Renee Montoya is going to become the new Question, and 52 is pushing us that way.

I'm not buying it. Vic lives and he's just helping Renee find her way.

There would be little reason to conversate on these threads if everyone looked it up on wiki ;) Wiki's not alway accurate either.

Well I hope your right. When I got back into comics two years ago, there was an issue or two left from the last Question mini and I didn't it get because I couldn't get all the issues. I'll have to buy the back issues online. After the JLU tv series I am up for a Question book, but not if they are doing the secret identity switcheroo yet again. Its like musical chairs with the superheroes at DC.

Herowatcher

03-23-2007, 05:08 AM

Ted Kord's been the Blue Beetle for something like 40 years now. I would've loved DC to have brought the golden age Dan Garret into the DCU after Infinite Crisis, but they went... another way.:rolleyes: The golden age Dan Garret is thee Blue Beetle, but Ted is so close for me as well. Why go any further? (legacy doesn't cut it). Ted is irreplaceable for me just as DC's Trinity.

Sasha needs to be caring for Ted Kord in secret. Perhaps Booster Gold was able to nudge Ted out of the way of the bullet enough for the head wound to be less terminal. I dislike time travel stories, but I'll take it in this case.;)

astronato

03-25-2007, 12:41 AM

Perhaps Booster Gold was able to nudge Ted out of the way of the bullet enough for the head wound to be less terminal. I dislike time travel stories, but I'll take it in this case.;)

I would get the Booster book for sure if that were to happen. But DC has already teased Ted's return in Manhunter only for it to turn out not to be true. I wouldn't get your hopes up. I know mine aren't.

md62

03-25-2007, 08:46 AM

As an "old" Charlton comics fan & reader I am annoyed that both Ted & Vic are dead & have been replaced.

Back in the 60's I read as many Charlton Comics as I did DC & Marvel. As I got older I realized Ditko was the creator of these characters. I think he is one of the most under rated creator of the Silver Age (Bill Finger would be my choice for the Golden Age). I looked at Capt Atom - Blue Beetle & the Question as Charlton's Big 3. CA was their Superman. BB was their Spider-Man. And the Question was their Batman.

Lord Ruthven

03-25-2007, 09:07 AM

Pull him out of the timestream, use magic, use the dreaded Superboy retcon punch, I dont care how they do it. I miss Ted and I want him back as the Blue Beetle.

I'm with you on this, all the way!

vbartilucci

03-25-2007, 10:04 AM

This was a legal issue. The only thing that can resurrect Ted Kord is a good IP Attorney, same with Superboy.

I'm gonna start a new thread on the legal and royalty issues of re-creating characters. Y'all come...

md62

03-25-2007, 10:59 AM

Didn't Infinite Crisis change past events? Like Wonder Woman being a founding member of the JLA instead of Black Canary? Why couldn't it have changed other events like having Ted escape wounded & lost for awhile instead of receiving his fatal gunshot?

I am MODOK

03-26-2007, 02:34 PM

Ted should be the new Supernova. Have Booster pull him out of the past, and join up with Booster in the new ongoing series.

vbartilucci

03-26-2007, 05:53 PM

Sasha needs to be caring for Ted Kord in secret. Perhaps Booster Gold was able to nudge Ted out of the way of the bullet enough for the head wound to be less terminal. I dislike time travel stories, but I'll take it in this case.;)
I called Sasha as protector a while back.

And don't forget, The Question took a point-blank bullet to the head in the first issue of his book. It was a small-caliber gun, and the bullet didn't have the penetration power to make it through the skull, it just entered the skin and whipped around to the other side.

I don't recall Max (or anyone) checking the body for a pulse, it was just BOOM! Headshot! and he walked away to have Sasha pick up the mess.

I fully expect to see Ted show up in Booster's book. Whether or not he makes it out, I don't know, but I want more Ted. I could see Booster saving him, and having Ted actually be okay with dying, knowing that Max was brought down.

JAGII

03-26-2007, 06:25 PM

I fully expect to see Ted show up in Booster's book. Whether or not he makes it out, I don't know, but I want more Ted. I could see Booster saving him, and having Ted actually be okay with dying, knowing that Max was brought down.

I expect to see him, too. In fact, I think DC would be foolish to miss the opportunity to tell a story that would not only be a fan-favorite, but also potentially a powerful character story.

Here's my "dream" Blue and Gold time travel story:

Booster's time traveling takes him to a point early in Ted's career. Ted has just had his first failure as the new Blue Beetle and is considering giving up; he feels that he can never live up to Dan Garrett's legacy. Booster sees his old (future?) friend having a hard time and decides to give him some confidence.

Adopting an alternate persona (Supernova?), Booster pays some cheap hoods to engage in a fake battle with him in front of Beetle. Beetle jumps in to help and defeats the hoods handily, thereby "rescuing" Booster. Using his knowledge of the super-hero community, Booster convinces Beetle that he (or, rather, his false persona) is a successful, big-time hero who Beetle has just never heard of. Booster then goes on to praise Beetle's abilities as a hero and reinvigorates Beetle's confidence.

Booster stays around for a few days to watch his friend develop, and feels pretty good about his actions at first. But when a mugger's bullet grazes Beetle's head, Booster realizes that he put Ted back on a path that will ultimately lead to his violent death and derision from other heroes. To make things worse, Skeets suggests that Booster's involvement in Ted's early career will influence his decision to stay with the JLI and more specifically, with Booster, and that this association will have much to do with Beetle losing the respect of other heroes.

Booster has a decision to make, then: does he persuade Ted to give up the identity by crushing his self-esteem, or does he continue to encourage Ted and send him to his death?

Herowatcher

03-29-2007, 01:46 AM

Carter101

03-29-2007, 02:31 AM

Ted becomes the new DEAD MAN

md62

03-29-2007, 07:44 AM

IF DC revives the multiple earths I hope they put the Fawcett - Quality & Charlton characters on one earth.

astronato

03-29-2007, 11:47 AM

IF DC revives the multiple earths I hope they put the Fawcett - Quality & Charlton characters on one earth.

I'd buy that.

But I do like the Earth X concept where the Axis powers won (or were winning) WW2. I'm not sure how Captain Marvel and BB would fit into all that. Spysmasher is a good fit though.

TCJohnson

04-02-2007, 04:13 PM

Or maybe he will come back in 52.

Another fan asked if DC would consider writing stories from the Ted Kord Blue Beetle's past, even though the character is dead. Waid said to keep reading "52," if they miss Ted Kord. Rucka mysteriously added, "Just hang in there 5-6 more weeks."

http://www.comicbookresources.com/news/newsitem.cgi?id=10181

ManifestFury

04-06-2007, 12:24 AM

I expect to see him, too. In fact, I think DC would be foolish to miss the opportunity to tell a story that would not only be a fan-favorite, but also potentially a powerful character story.

Here's my "dream" Blue and Gold time travel story:

Booster's time traveling takes him to a point early in Ted's career. Ted has just had his first failure as the new Blue Beetle and is considering giving up; he feels that he can never live up to Dan Garrett's legacy. Booster sees his old (future?) friend having a hard time and decides to give him some confidence.

Adopting an alternate persona (Supernova?), Booster pays some cheap hoods to engage in a fake battle with him in front of Beetle. Beetle jumps in to help and defeats the hoods handily, thereby "rescuing" Booster. Using his knowledge of the super-hero community, Booster convinces Beetle that he (or, rather, his false persona) is a successful, big-time hero who Beetle has just never heard of. Booster then goes on to praise Beetle's abilities as a hero and reinvigorates Beetle's confidence.

Booster stays around for a few days to watch his friend develop, and feels pretty good about his actions at first. But when a mugger's bullet grazes Beetle's head, Booster realizes that he put Ted back on a path that will ultimately lead to his violent death and derision from other heroes. To make things worse, Skeets suggests that Booster's involvement in Ted's early career will influence his decision to stay with the JLI and more specifically, with Booster, and that this association will have much to do with Beetle losing the respect of other heroes.

Booster has a decision to make, then: does he persuade Ted to give up the identity by crushing his self-esteem, or does he continue to encourage Ted and send him to his death?
I'd LOVE to see Booster try to save Ted in his series... and mess it up.

No wait... work with me on this before anyone starts blasting away...

I think that Booster should go forward in time to get some DNA-stealing / brainwave-mapping device so that he can basically get to Ted before he dies from being shot and basically "save" him on the machine to clone and bring back with his original memories... it would be easy, make sense, and well... its sorta been done before...

BUT, when Booster tries to work the machine... he screws it up. He gets all the info, but has to download it fast because he's broken it... and all he has tgo download it into is...

Skeets.

Booster then has Ted as his "Jiminy Cricket" style friend... sorta helping as his conscious at times when he needs a gentle kick in the ass to stay as the hero he wants to be... and Booster is constantly trying to deal with his guilt with Ted being dead and only alive in Skeets by trying to "fix" skeets and bring back Ted.

I think it would work.

It could be fun, meaningful, bring a true ending to their story, further deepen their relationship without cheapening it, and give readers the feeling like Ted's return may happen, but only through true hard work and not some Deus Ex Machina situation...

Thoughts?
-MF

Lord Ruthven

04-06-2007, 09:51 AM

I'd LOVE to see Booster try to save Ted in his series... and mess it up.

No wait... work with me on this before anyone starts blasting away...

I think that Booster should go forward in time to get some DNA-stealing / brainwave-mapping device so that he can basically get to Ted before he dies from being shot and basically "save" him on the machine to clone and bring back with his original memories... it would be easy, make sense, and well... its sorta been done before...

BUT, when Booster tries to work the machine... he screws it up. He gets all the info, but has to download it fast because he's broken it... and all he has tgo download it into is...

Skeets.

Booster then has Ted as his "Jiminy Cricket" style friend... sorta helping as his conscious at times when he needs a gentle kick in the ass to stay as the hero he wants to be... and Booster is constantly trying to deal with his guilt with Ted being dead and only alive in Skeets by trying to "fix" skeets and bring back Ted.

I think it would work.

It could be fun, meaningful, bring a true ending to their story, further deepen their relationship without cheapening it, and give readers the feeling like Ted's return may happen, but only through true hard work and not some Deus Ex Machina situation...

Thoughts?
-MF

I think Ted would be so pissed that Booster stuck him in Skeets body that he'd lose the plot completely. I dare say he'd even go so far as to try to find a way to go back and prevent Booster from doing it in the first place. Yes, even if that meant hunting him through time with seemingly murderous intent...

Then again, nobody would buy a time-travelling Skeets gone bad.

Would they? ;) :p

ManifestFury

04-06-2007, 10:12 PM

I think Ted would be so pissed that Booster stuck him in Skeets body that he'd lose the plot completely. I dare say he'd even go so far as to try to find a way to go back and prevent Booster from doing it in the first place. Yes, even if that meant hunting him through time with seemingly murderous intent...

Then again, nobody would buy a time-travelling Skeets gone bad.

Would they? ;) :p
Maybe. But then again, if Ted grasped the fact that Booster was TRYING to save him and that the skeets body was the ONLY way... well, he'd be pissed at the situation, but nlot at Booster.

-MF

Lord Ruthven

04-07-2007, 04:20 PM

I can think of 52 reasons why Ted would be pissed at Michael if he ever found himself in that situation ;)

Besides, if Michael did put Ted in Skeets, it would cause all manner of hilarity for the JLoA.
Especially as Booster isn't a member and is (as far as the general DCU is concerned) is MIA following 52...

BubbaKanoosh

04-07-2007, 05:31 PM

I think he should stay dead..

I like the new BB...

Habitual

04-07-2007, 06:45 PM

It must be difficult for someone of your stature to have to wade through all this silly kids stuff to get to the really important threads about people in their underwear fighting crime.

I don't want you to put yourself out, but if you could bare to post one more time in here........Ive never heard that bit about it being a legal issue before. Where did you hear/read that? What is the snag?

All right if you can hear me way down there here it is :p

From what I've heard is that the character was used in an old radio show and the broadcaster still has a piece of the rights (also the same reason the character never appeared in JLU). This has to do with the original negotiation that Charleton comics did to obtain the rights from FOX.

There is a brief blurb on the wiki page, but, nothing incredibly detailed.

Hab

ps but it seriously cheeses me off when people start wagging there finger at Didio for what could be in this case no fault of DC's, but, rather people without enough energy or care to do a little research before mounting their high horses :mad:

rwe1138

04-07-2007, 07:30 PM

I think he should stay dead..

I like the new BB...
I love Jamie. But if there's room for two (current) Flashes, two Wildcats, two Green Arrows, and an assload of Green Lanterns, there's room for two Blue Beetles.

astronato

04-07-2007, 07:31 PM

All right if you can hear me way down there here it is :p

From what I've heard is that the character was used in an old radio show and the broadcaster still has a piece of the rights (also the same reason the character never appeared in JLU). This has to do with the original negotiation that Charleton comics did to obtain the rights from FOX.

There is a brief blurb on the wiki page, but, nothing incredibly detailed.

Hab

ps but it seriously cheeses me off when people start wagging there finger at Didio for what could be in this case no fault of DC's, but, rather people without enough energy or care to do a little research before mounting their high horses :mad:

But Dan Garrett was the Beetle on the radio and Ted was created at Charlton comics. Maybe that is it but it doesnt sound right on it's face.