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MattBrady
03-17-2007, 12:01 AM
<img src="http://www.newsarama.com/dcnew/WAcker/Booster/Booster1.jpg" border="0" width="185" height="292" align="right" />Reached for comment Friday evening about the new <b>Booster Gold</b> series announced by Dan Didio at their LA <a href=http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?t=105423><b>DC Nation</b></a> panel, writer Geoff Johns shared some brief thoughts on the new series…

“I won't say much right now, but I loved writing Booster Gold in <b>52</b>,” wrote Johns, “Absolutely loved him. Especially in <b>52 - week 52</b>, where he's extremely prominent. Dan Jurgens created a brilliant character way ahead of his time. So I had ideas for a <b>Booster Gold</b> book. In the same vein as the Power Girl arc in <b>JSA: Classified</b> and <b>Stars & S.T.R.I.P.E.</b> or <i>Quantum Leap</i> and <i>Doctor Who</i>. We need more time travel!! And the idea made <b>Booster Gold</b> the link between <b>52</b> and <b>Countdown</b>. The first arc is called "52 Pick-Up!" and deals with the ramifications of the ending of <b>52</b>. What new things appear, how and why, etc.

“So who's Jeff Katz? Do a quick Google search and you'll see. He wrote for Image Comics and he's a film producer and executive. His background speaks for himself. I met him in L.A. Jeff's mom and mine knew each other in Detroit before we were even born. His instincts are great. His humor is contagious. He loves the DC Universe as much as I do. And Jeff's favorite character is Booster Gold. Ever since the <b>Justice League International</b> days. So against all of Dan Didio's wishes, we're giving a JLI member their own monthly book.

“What else can I say? A bar fight with Jonah Hex, the world's greatest Green Lantern Guy Gardner's first day on the job, the Justice League International, Rip Hunter, a last page that will rival <b>Justice Society of America</b>’s and...Supernova?

“I co-wrote the proposal with Jeff Katz and am co-writing for at least the first few issues, but this will really be Jeff's book.

“And I can't say more about Dan Jurgens and Norm Rapmund. We wouldn't have a Booster Gold without Dan and Norm is the icing on the cake. More from all of us next week!!”

Somebody
03-17-2007, 12:08 AM
So, this is in the same line as him imposing his old fanletter idea on Superboy, despite the idea having been comprehensively debunked in the time between his letter and Teen Titans, huh?

Tendrin
03-17-2007, 12:08 AM
Oh yeah.

This is gonna be sweet.

SmileOnADog
03-17-2007, 12:11 AM
So, this is in the same line as him imposing his old fanletter idea on Superboy, despite the idea having been comprehensively debunked in the time between his letter and Teen Titans, huh?

:confused: Whaaaa?????

cncoyle
03-17-2007, 12:13 AM
Sounds very interesting. I'm torn, though. I like Booster Gold, but I also like Supernova's costume. Is there any way Michael could use *both* costumes in this title? Or can we tweak the Supernova costume to look a little more Booster-ish? (Replace the red with gold, maybe?)

Knowbrainer
03-17-2007, 12:15 AM
:confused: Whaaaa?????

Yeah, I was confused, too.

However, I like the idea of seeing a Booster Gold series, even if the news spoils the fact that he'll live past week 52.

OM
03-17-2007, 12:16 AM
So, this is in the same line as him imposing his old fanletter idea on Superboy, despite the idea having been comprehensively debunked in the time between his letter and Teen Titans, huh?...Woah! As most Newsarama readers know, I'm probably one of the most vehement supporters of The Kid, and this is the first time I've heard *anything* along these lines. Details, son, details!

Lofcutus
03-17-2007, 12:20 AM
When I was first introduced to Booster Gold he a was a joke of a character and i didn't care for him (early '90s). The more recent stuff I've read (and his appearances on JLU) have really given me an appreciation for the character. I'll definitely be giving this a try! But on the same token I'm gonna pick up Avengers Classic too, so my judgement isn't as sound as it could be.;)

caats19
03-17-2007, 12:26 AM
amazing. booster has held a spot in my heart since his head got slammed in a car door. this is great

Kolimar
03-17-2007, 12:28 AM
Fan-freaking-tastic! :D :D :D Great creative team. :) :) :) Well, I'm not familiar with Katz but Geoff will be there to steer him right at first. More than enough to give him a chance. Bah, I'd give him a chance in any case. :D

Kolimar
03-17-2007, 12:29 AM
amazing. booster has held a spot in my heart since his head got slammed in a car door. this is great

Ah, a 90's fan. :D ;)

rwe1138
03-17-2007, 12:31 AM
A bar fight with Jonah Hex, the world's greatest Green Lantern Guy Gardner's first day on the job, the Justice League International, Rip Hunter, a last page that will rival <b>Justice Society of America</b>’s and...Supernova?
I'm sold. Where do I sign up? :D

steelscott
03-17-2007, 12:32 AM
Hell yeah!

Go, Jeff Katz! I had a feeling he'd do something like this, seems like a creative dude.

www.TNAOBB.blogspot.com

Catch it!

Kolimar
03-17-2007, 12:34 AM
Yeah, I was confused, too.

However, I like the idea of seeing a Booster Gold series, even if the news spoils the fact that he'll live past week 52.

It was to be expected. After all, they already "killed" him recently. Thanks to 52, they resurrected his popularity. There would be no point in killing him again. Instead they can try and use his new status as a launchpad for a series.

JLAJRC
03-17-2007, 12:36 AM
I'm buying.

Kolimar
03-17-2007, 12:39 AM
Sounds very interesting. I'm torn, though. I like Booster Gold, but I also like Supernova's costume. Is there any way Michael could use *both* costumes in this title? Or can we tweak the Supernova costume to look a little more Booster-ish? (Replace the red with gold, maybe?)

Nah. Geoff already hinted at a Supernova appearance but I bet it won't be Booster. At least, not our Booster. :D That way, it'll be the classic "who are you and why are you wearing my costume?" mystery. ;)

Disco Cookie
03-17-2007, 12:41 AM
So, this is in the same line as him imposing his old fanletter idea on Superboy, despite the idea having been comprehensively debunked in the time between his letter and Teen Titans, huh?

Don't you mean "First post!"?

vbartilucci
03-17-2007, 12:42 AM
“So who's Jeff Katz? Do a quick Google search and you'll see.

One googlage later...

So apparently the book is being written by either...

...Jeff Katz, the afternoon talk show host at WBT in Charlotte, North Carolina

...Jeff Katz, CEO/Founder of Orbitz

...Mr Jeffrey G Katz President and CEO, Swissair

Huh. Well, they've been trying to bring in new blood.<g>

Somebody
03-17-2007, 12:43 AM
...Woah! As most Newsarama readers know, I'm probably one of the most vehement supporters of The Kid, and this is the first time I've heard *anything* along these lines. Details, son, details!
It's the half-Superman/half-Luthor clone thing. If anyone's got the early Superboy v3 issues within scanning distance, it'd be appreciated if you look it out (I think #8, but it could be anywhere in the first ten issues, and I don't have them to hand...)

SpyGuy
03-17-2007, 12:43 AM
In the same vein as the Power Girl arc in <b>JSA: Classified</b> and <b>Stars & S.T.R.I.P.E.</b> or <i>Quantum Leap</i> and <i>Doctor Who</i>. We need more time travel!!

I completely agree, so where's my new TIME MASTER series starring Rip Hunter? I'd be more than happy to write it if that's what it will take...

beetlebabe
03-17-2007, 12:44 AM
I will be impatiently waiting for this one to come out.

olokin
03-17-2007, 12:44 AM
Sounds good. I may have to ceck this out.

Kolimar
03-17-2007, 12:45 AM
“So who's Jeff Katz? Do a quick Google search and you'll see. He wrote for Image Comics and he's a film producer and executive. His background speaks for himself.

Comic book creators and their work in other fields. What do you think? (http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?t=56758) :p :D ;)

tangata manu
03-17-2007, 12:50 AM
this is the happiest i´ve been from a news in this site. with Geoff johns involved in this. is exactly what i was asking from DC.

there is a god!.

AgentSaint
03-17-2007, 12:51 AM
This is great news especially if geoff is coauthoring in the beginning!

Gokitalo
03-17-2007, 12:51 AM
It's the half-Superman/half-Luthor clone thing. If anyone's got the early Superboy v3 issues within scanning distance, it'd be appreciated if you look it out (I think #8, but it could be anywhere in the first ten issues, and I don't have them to hand...)

Also, check this out: http://keithchampagne.blogspot.com/2005/12/superboy.html

Anyway, I'm happy to hear Booster's getting his own series :D Too bad Ted Kord can't make guest appearances :(

EDIT: As TCJohnson pointed out, Ted CAN make guest appearances!

TCJohnson
03-17-2007, 12:54 AM
You know, with a bit of katsup and onions, crow really doesn't taste that bad. A bit tough to chew on, but really not that unpleasant of a taste.

TCJohnson
03-17-2007, 12:55 AM
Also, check this out: http://keithchampagne.blogspot.com/2005/12/superboy.html

Anyway, I'm happy to hear Booster's getting his own series :D Too bad Ted Kord can't make guest appearances :(


Well, really....if it is a time travel story....

louiscedar
03-17-2007, 12:55 AM
This is awesome news, I can't wait....It's going to be good to see Booster in his own series.

wonderfish
03-17-2007, 12:57 AM
There are many things I could say to this, but "oh hell yes" seems to cover it.

Hokeyboy
03-17-2007, 12:59 AM
You know, with a bit of katsup and onions, crow really doesn't taste that bad. A bit tough to chew on, but really not that unpleasant of a taste.
Well played, sir.

BornToRun
03-17-2007, 01:06 AM
Yeah, I was confused, too.

However, I like the idea of seeing a Booster Gold series, even if the news spoils the fact that he'll live past week 52.

Not necessarily. There's lots of time travel possibilities there!

Kolimar
03-17-2007, 01:11 AM
I completely agree, so where's my new TIME MASTER series starring Rip Hunter? I'd be more than happy to write it if that's what it will take...

Well, if you're willing to make the sacrifice... :p :D ;)

GeorgeG
03-17-2007, 01:19 AM
Jeff Katz is a creative executive over at New Line Cinema. He's involved with We3, the Vertigo property heading to the big screen.

khuxford
03-17-2007, 01:29 AM
Yeah, I was confused, too.

However, I like the idea of seeing a Booster Gold series, even if the news spoils the fact that he'll live past week 52.

Ummmm...no. He could die in 52 and they could still do a series based on his time travel as it appears that Daniel Carter might be Booster Gold. Or we still have the fact that he's a basic timetravel character anyway.

vbartilucci
03-17-2007, 01:32 AM
It's the half-Superman/half-Luthor clone thing. If anyone's got the early Superboy v3 issues within scanning distance, it'd be appreciated if you look it out (I think #8, but it could be anywhere in the first ten issues, and I don't have them to hand...)
Issue #26, actually.

http://mysite.verizon.net/vinniebartilucci/superboy26pg25.jpg


And here's one from issue #12
http://mysite.verizon.net/vinniebartilucci/Superboy_LP-.jpg

caats19
03-17-2007, 01:40 AM
Ah, a 90's fan. :D ;)

ha believe it or not, i'm more a 2000's fan, but i when i was little i used to read my brothers death of superman TB a looot. and one of my fav parts was when doomsday was kicking boosters ass.

Street Carp
03-17-2007, 01:42 AM
Ooooooooooh man, I'm so there! :D

(ian)

Clem
03-17-2007, 01:42 AM
Can we have the collar back on his costume? I thought it was cool in a goofy way.

ralphdibny
03-17-2007, 01:47 AM
Crap. Geoff was (and still is sometimes) one of my favorite writers but these days he seems to have a slant towards excessively violent and deaths and psychotic characterization. I'm going to go on the record as saying that I'm concerned with haing Geoff write Booster regularly.

Here's hoping he proves me wrong and this starts on the phase of him going back to the Geoff I miss reading...

caats19
03-17-2007, 01:50 AM
heck no to the collar

Gokitalo
03-17-2007, 02:14 AM
Well, really....if it is a time travel story....

*scratches head* woops, that part had completely disappeared from my brain, strangely enough.

ROBRAM89
03-17-2007, 02:17 AM
GJ: "We need more time travel!!!"

"I got a fever! And the only prescription...is more time travel!"

DeTroyes
03-17-2007, 02:19 AM
IMHO, this was the most surprising news to come out of today's panel. I figured Booster was likely to be getting a new series of his own, but haveing Johns attached to it was extremely unexpected. Pleasantly so, but unexpected nevertheless.

This and the new Infinity, Inc will definetely be on my pull list whenever they come out.

jza1218
03-17-2007, 02:22 AM
There should be a crossover with Jughead's Time Police!!!

shizumadrive
03-17-2007, 02:49 AM
Alot of my second or third tier favorites have been killed off recently. I don't know how in the heck Booster managed to make it. I would have thought he'd die way before Elongated and Blue Beetle. Even the Question. I'm not even the biggest booster fan. BUt if he's written a bit more like he was in 52 then it might just work. I liked his Supernova identity better that his old cheeseball one though.

So is this series going to ever mention all the deaths of his friends or forget it all for the sake of humor.

Moonbeam
03-17-2007, 02:50 AM
A time travel comic ...

*sigh*

I'm in love.

- Vaneta

Moonbeam
03-17-2007, 03:04 AM
It's the half-Superman/half-Luthor clone thing. If anyone's got the early Superboy v3 issues within scanning distance, it'd be appreciated if you look it out (I think #8, but it could be anywhere in the first ten issues, and I don't have them to hand...)

Yeah -- he always had that idea for Superboy. Geoff talked about it on Newsarama in this interview (http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?t=99798).

GJ: You know, when they revealed that he was a clone, I always had the idea to do that with his character. All they said was he was a clone of Superman and Paul Westfield, and nobody outside of the Superboy book knew who the other guy was. And I always thought having DNA of Superman and Lex Luthor would make a pretty compelling and conflicted character. And right away, when I first got offered the book, I knew that was my last page.

NRAMA: That last page of Issue #1 was when Superboy found out the other 50 percent of his DNA came from Lex Luthor. You knew that from the start, huh?

GJ: Yeah, I just knew right away that I'd love to do this reveal and I'd love to explore that idea: What if Superboy found out his DNA had come from Lex Luthor? And it wasn't only from a bad guy -- it was from the worst guy in the DC Universe.

And it ended up being such an effective story element that it became a cornerstone of one of the biggest DC events in history.

Pretty cool.

- Vaneta

Ricky222
03-17-2007, 03:42 AM
I only wish Ted was still around. I always picture them together.

Jeremy Williams
03-17-2007, 04:17 AM
Alot of my second or third tier favorites have been killed off recently. I don't know how in the heck Booster managed to make it. I would have thought he'd die way before Elongated and Blue Beetle. Even the Question. I'm not even the biggest booster fan. BUt if he's written a bit more like he was in 52 then it might just work. I liked his Supernova identity better that his old cheeseball one though.

So is this series going to ever mention all the deaths of his friends or forget it all for the sake of humor.

DC is bringing him back not out of a great creative plan but because they're pus...softies. And worry too much about their image, not alienating audience too much. They failed to put the trigger on Nightwing while Marvel did the deed on Cap and in end, the House of Ideas thrive because of it.

greenman
03-17-2007, 04:24 AM
This is a smart move from a money-making perspective. Booster has alot of good will coming out of 52, and we haven't even seen the ending yet. But time-travel is a really crappy plot hook. Its just a really bad concept to build a story around because Its one of those things that makes you have to have alot of exposition and explanation to make the story work, and even then it wont make sense if you really think about it. Even hardcore WHOVIANS only get by not taking it at all seriously. Hmm.. then again... Booster might be just the character for that.

Jeremy Williams
03-17-2007, 04:32 AM
This is a smart move from a money-making perspective. Booster has alot of good will coming out of 52, and we haven't even seen the ending yet. But time-travel is a really crappy plot hook. Its just a really bad concept to build a story around because Its one of those things that makes you have to have alot of exposition and explanation to make the story work, and even then it wont make sense if you really think about it. Even hardcore WHOVIANS only get by not taking it at all seriously. Hmm.. then again... Booster might be just the character for that.

While I think bringing back Booster is gutless, I think Booster being about the "time-travelling" sort-of give DC an area not explored in other books.

furioso2012
03-17-2007, 05:02 AM
One googlage later...

So apparently the book is being written by either...

...Jeff Katz, the afternoon talk show host at WBT in Charlotte, North Carolina

...Jeff Katz, CEO/Founder of Orbitz

...Mr Jeffrey G Katz President and CEO, Swissair

Huh. Well, they've been trying to bring in new blood.<g>

Try the Internet Movie Databse, imdb.com

(hint: he did not produce PIMPS ON A BLIMP)

furioso2012
03-17-2007, 05:07 AM
DC is bringing him back not out of a great creative plan but because they're pus...softies. And worry too much about their image, not alienating audience too much. They failed to put the trigger on Nightwing while Marvel did the deed on Cap and in end, the House of Ideas thrive because of it.

Oh, COME ON! Steve Rogers will be back as Cap in 2008.

booster
03-17-2007, 06:47 AM
Oh hell yes.

No chance in hell I wouldn't be excited at this.

nietoperz
03-17-2007, 07:06 AM
I cannot wait! Seriously, this is the best DC news I have heard in a very long time. :)

Punchy
03-17-2007, 07:12 AM
Damnit!

I love Booster, not a fan of Johns.

But since he's only co-writing, and seemed to do a good job in 52...

Having Booster's creator on art doesn't hurt neither.

Bill_Nolan
03-17-2007, 08:05 AM
Hopefully Guy Gardner is not portrayed in his typical jerk persona in this time travel story. He was never a jerk in his early appearances, but it seems like his "modern" personality is based on someone looking at the cover to GL #59 and deciding that was what he was like, even tho' that cover in no way reflected what went on in the book.

Brainlock
03-17-2007, 08:41 AM
Damnit!

I love Booster, not a fan of Johns.

But since he's only co-writing, and seemed to do a good job in 52...

Having Booster's creator on art doesn't hurt neither.
yeah, Geoff started getting on my nerves with his YJ retcons in Teen Titans (as noted in those lettercol scans, which I sadly remember reading way back when). Especially seeing his run on ACTION, paired with Donner, makes me nervous about getting this book off the ground with an untested comics writer (re: WW debacle). I hope DiDio gets the first 6+ issues COMPLETELY in the can before they release this book.

What would I like to see?
Michelle/Goldstar - she IS a time traveller, too, remember. At least a better send-off than she got last time!

Daniel - I'm still thinking he's Michael's (and Michelle's?) father aka Daniel, and I wouldn't mind seeing him as SuperNova before he becomes "Rip".

Rip - at least an update on the TIME MASTERS and LINEAR MEN, like Rip's future self, "Hunter", who first appeared trying to arrest Booster for 'time crimes' or some nonsense.

IF we are going to see Booster doing some time traveling, how about hopping in to the early days of the JLA, so we know what the hell is going on, was it Dinah or Diana that founded the League? Is JLA:Y1 completely out the window or what? This would be a GREAT place to clear some of that confusion up, guys! >koffJurgensWaidwritingoff<


btw, since nobody has said it yet: BOOSTERIFFIC!

bossofbam
03-17-2007, 09:22 AM
Hopefully Guy Gardner is not portrayed in his typical jerk persona in this time travel story. He was never a jerk in his early appearances, but it seems like his "modern" personality is based on someone looking at the cover to GL #59 and deciding that was what he was like, even tho' that cover in no way reflected what went on in the book.


I seem to remember that Guy is Geoff's brother's favorite character, so I think we are ok!:D

skaly
03-17-2007, 09:28 AM
Yeah, I was confused, too.

However, I like the idea of seeing a Booster Gold series, even if the news spoils the fact that he'll live past week 52.

Killing a character twice in the same series? That would be a new low for comics.

adamania
03-17-2007, 09:48 AM
This is a smart move from a money-making perspective. Booster has alot of good will coming out of 52, and we haven't even seen the ending yet. But time-travel is a really crappy plot hook. Its just a really bad concept to build a story around because Its one of those things that makes you have to have alot of exposition and explanation to make the story work, and even then it wont make sense if you really think about it. Even hardcore WHOVIANS only get by not taking it at all seriously. Hmm.. then again... Booster might be just the character for that.

Don't tell Exiles fans about the time-travel thing. They think it is cool enough to keep supporting month after month.

jsf
03-17-2007, 10:00 AM
My boycott of DC is now officially over.

For this, I'm in again. :)

holtom2000
03-17-2007, 10:06 AM
curse you DC! Curse you I say
i'm all over this like flies on stink

Deadshot77
03-17-2007, 10:23 AM
<img src="http://www.newsarama.com/dcnew/WAcker/Booster/Booster1.jpg" border="0" width="185" height="292" align="right" />Reached for comment Friday evening about the new <b>Booster Gold</b> series announced by Dan Didio at their LA <a href=http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?t=105423><b>DC Nation</b></a> panel, writer Geoff Johns shared some brief thoughts on the new series…

“I won't say much right now, but I loved writing Booster Gold in <b>52</b>,” wrote Johns, “Absolutely loved him. Especially in <b>52 - week 52</b>, where he's extremely prominent. Dan Jurgens created a brilliant character way ahead of his time. So I had ideas for a <b>Booster Gold</b> book. In the same vein as the Power Girl arc in <b>JSA: Classified</b> and <b>Stars & S.T.R.I.P.E.</b> or <i>Quantum Leap</i> and <i>Doctor Who</i>. We need more time travel!! And the idea made <b>Booster Gold</b> the link between <b>52</b> and <b>Countdown</b>. The first arc is called "52 Pick-Up!" and deals with the ramifications of the ending of <b>52</b>. What new things appear, how and why, etc.

“So who's Jeff Katz? Do a quick Google search and you'll see. He wrote for Image Comics and he's a film producer and executive. His background speaks for himself. I met him in L.A. Jeff's mom and mine knew each other in Detroit before we were even born. His instincts are great. His humor is contagious. He loves the DC Universe as much as I do. And Jeff's favorite character is Booster Gold. Ever since the <b>Justice League International</b> days. So against all of Dan Didio's wishes, we're giving a JLI member their own monthly book.

“What else can I say? A bar fight with Jonah Hex, the world's greatest Green Lantern Guy Gardner's first day on the job, the Justice League International, Rip Hunter, a last page that will rival <b>Justice Society of America</b>’s and...Supernova?

“I co-wrote the proposal with Jeff Katz and am co-writing for at least the first few issues, but this will really be Jeff's book.

“And I can't say more about Dan Jurgens and Norm Rapmund. We wouldn't have a Booster Gold without Dan and Norm is the icing on the cake. More from all of us next week!!”

I can not give enough props to Geoff Johns for this!!!!!!!!
THANK YOU! 52 #52. I can not wait to see the lead in for this new series.
It's about damn time! It looks like Booster's recognition he was waiting for from his fraternity will be coming at the END of 52, not the beginning. ;) Nice twist.

Comic-Reader
03-17-2007, 10:36 AM
Booster Gold was never one of my favorite characters although I do have his original series. However, I'll give this a try. If his character doesn't devolve back to the JLI mess, then this could be good.

As for the Superboy reveal, I've said before that I thought it was a great addition to the character. Especially when I thought about the fact that it meant that Superman and Lex Luthor essentially had a child together. Not really explored in the series, but in my mind, it was a fun twist.

Geoff does seem to love those shocking last pages that get people talking. The Teen Titans #1 reveal; the last page of Justice Society #1, and the last page of Inifinte Crisis #1. We'll see what his plans are for the last page of Booster #1, but for now I trust him to deliver on his promise of a good shocker.

Alexlucard
03-17-2007, 10:47 AM
I have to admit Booster is my second favorite character int he DCU, but I'm wary of Geoff writing him. I've just never liked his stuff and his propensity to turn fun characters into emo kids. See: Young Justice -> Teen Titans and Wally West. I also really hated Rebirth. I realize I'm in the minority, and I'll be buying the comic mainly because Jurgens is on it and to support Booster, but I'd have preferred say Jurgens, Geffen, DeMatteis, Bedard or several others handling MJC before Johns.

The big worry is the "Guy Gardner's first day on the job." Guy wasn't originally the awesome overbearing egotistical jerkoff with a heart of gold we know him to be today. It wasn't until he suffered brain damage as a Green Lantern that he gained the personality of Ronnie Reagan's #1 fan.

Also, it would be nice to see him atempt to you know, go back in time and try to save Ted. Even if he can't/doesn't, he needs to try. Or his sister. or Sue. And so on.

Also, I would kill to have a scene between Booster and Rip Hunter arguing over whether 1.21 Gigawatts is really enough for Time Travel.

Deadshot77
03-17-2007, 11:11 AM
Can we have Kevin Maguire do the covers?
Pretty please?????????

Johnny Smith
03-17-2007, 11:14 AM
Damnit!

I love Booster, not a fan of Johns.

But since he's only co-writing, and seemed to do a good job in 52...

Having Booster's creator on art doesn't hurt neither.

So you'll have your brother pick this book up :rolleyes:

lordlad
03-17-2007, 11:19 AM
Let's bet how long this series will last.

Dark Light
03-17-2007, 11:29 AM
I don't like Booster Gold, and was very happy when I thought he was dead, but I will check it out if Johns is on the book.

Lord Ruthven
03-17-2007, 11:45 AM
Absolutely loving this. I'm onboard for both Booster Gold and Infinity Inc.
Really can't wait to see Blue and Gold again, even if it is only briefly. I wonder if Booster will be able to stop himself from warning Ted against the investigation that ultimately lead to his death. Surely Booster will respect the laws of time travel and not interfere with the past?

DavetheAvata
03-17-2007, 11:48 AM
I don't like Booster Gold, and was very happy when I thought he was dead, but I will check it out if Johns is on the book.

"I was very happy when I thought he was dead"

Not just retired from being a superhero, nor returned home or simply that he just wasn't appearing in any books but you had to really be sure he was dead before you were happy? Remind me not to get on your bad side.

brawl2099
03-17-2007, 11:50 AM
It's the half-Superman/half-Luthor clone thing. If anyone's got the early Superboy v3 issues within scanning distance, it'd be appreciated if you look it out (I think #8, but it could be anywhere in the first ten issues, and I don't have them to hand...)

Thank you Super-obscure-reference-boy! Wow... referring to a letter that's at least 15 years old. That's something... Everyone was trying to guess Superboy's gene stock at the time though, so I wouldn't put much weight behind that.

Dark Light
03-17-2007, 12:08 PM
"I was very happy when I thought he was dead"

Not just retired from being a superhero, nor returned home or simply that he just wasn't appearing in any books but you had to really be sure he was dead before you were happy? Remind me not to get on your bad side.

We don't need Booster Gold. He is a joke. How many issues do you think this will last?

grantg
03-17-2007, 12:09 PM
I love Booster and all of the JLI characters. As for Booster's new book, I'm going to "wait and see."

Uchiha_Prodigy
03-17-2007, 12:15 PM
As long as its not Booster's ancestor, I'll pick it up for at least the first arc.

Barry Strange
03-17-2007, 12:30 PM
This is a smart move from a money-making perspective. Booster has alot of good will coming out of 52, and we haven't even seen the ending yet. But time-travel is a really crappy plot hook. Its just a really bad concept to build a story around because Its one of those things that makes you have to have alot of exposition and explanation to make the story work, and even then it wont make sense if you really think about it. Even hardcore WHOVIANS only get by not taking it at all seriously. Hmm.. then again... Booster might be just the character for that.

The great part of a time-travel series is that you have the whole of DC's characters to play with...Anthro? Kamandi? Tomahawk? Shining Knight (Sir Justin)? Star Rovers? And so on...

Superfrick
03-17-2007, 12:42 PM
Christ. I can't visit Newsarama for the next few weeks, because even the headlines are 52 spoilers @.@;

I totally undertsand the buisness of solicits (Which I don't read) and reporting the nes.. but comon! What part of 52's ending hasn't been spoiled yet?

SyVyN11
03-17-2007, 12:46 PM
I'm buying.

Me too. It seems that it will be a fun book.

DO YOU HEAR US DIDIO!! WE WANT MORE FUN BOOKS!!!

EVERYTHING DOESN'T HAVE TO BE ABOUT THE END OF THE FREAKIN' WORLD.

rwe1138
03-17-2007, 01:03 PM
I only wish Ted was still around. I always picture them together.
Well, with time-travel apparently being one of the main facets of the book, don't discount a Blue & Gold reunion, if only for at least one issue.

Lucky Luke
03-17-2007, 01:04 PM
This is all swell news.

But...

DC, will you please, PLEASE, PLEASE reprint Dan Jurgens' Booster Gold series? :( :( :(

Oh, and Aztek and Hitman, while you're at it? :(

TCJohnson
03-17-2007, 01:21 PM
I love Booster and all of the JLI characters. As for Booster's new book, I'm going to "wait and see."


If they right him like they wrote him in that issue of 52 where Supernova's identity is revealed (can';t remember issue number) I will be on board, deffinitely.

shining knight
03-17-2007, 01:54 PM
Yes,yes freaking yes!:D

grantg
03-17-2007, 02:25 PM
If they right him like they wrote him in that issue of 52 where Supernova's identity is revealed (can';t remember issue number) I will be on board, deffinitely.

Oh, I liked that part of 52 very much.

I'm all about a Booster book, but I'm more worried about the creative team. Geoff is the man, but he still gets a strike for writing Beetle's death. (You too Rucka!) Katz is brand new. Jurgens & Rapmund just finished their run on Nightwing - which I didn't care for at all. Does Jurgens need a different inker or is it just a factor of time?

Still, I never thought I'd see a JLI member got their own book. That makes me very happy. :)

Now all we need is a story to bring back Ted and Tora. Plus a kinder, gentler Martian Manhunter. :D

Deadshot77
03-17-2007, 02:44 PM
We don't need Booster Gold. He is a joke. How many issues do you think this will last?

Yawn. Thanks for adding to this thread. There are always haters out there. lol.

It depends on how well the series is done. Geoff Johns wants this to succeed & will be sacrificing his time to help give this series a great starpower rub & smashing start up.

Booster's original series only lasted 25 issues, but hopefully the new writer can collaborate with Geoff(and Dan Jurgens) & help this series supercede that. It'll all depend on the story & how integral they want to make this to DCU history. If not to mess up continuity or make alternate universes, multiple selves or time paradoxes, they can even have the characters "forget" Booster was even there after his visit. Tho, I think a key story would be for him to TRY to save one of his friends(or family-Michelle/Goldstar/new? Supernova) from death, succeed & bring them with "outside" the time stream. This could lead to a DCU version of EXILES only with time misplaced dead superheroes(or villains?) that possibly can't touchdown permanently in any time period, but can possibly save the world & no one remember it. ;) The possibilities are endless. :D

Plus the access to certain characters in the DCU can make this series REALLY fun. I like Dan Carter/Rip Hunter, Supernova & other old Booster allies/enemies. It'll hopefully be good to revisit with & see some underutilized characters again from his past, present AND future. Skeets(terminator, lol) can also be a constant evil entity chasing him as well as the Linear Men for what damage he might cause. This is going to kick some major azz & I applaude DC for giving it a shot. Thanks also to Geoff Johns again for loving the character & helping to launch it!

AM/FM Wizard
03-17-2007, 02:56 PM
heck no to the collar

Heck yes to the collar

Deadshot77
03-17-2007, 03:08 PM
Heck yes to the collar

I'm pro collar for nostalgia purposes. It also makes him unique. :D

grantg
03-17-2007, 03:16 PM
I'm pro-collar. Plus, they did change his DCD figure at the last minute.

AdamYJ
03-17-2007, 04:08 PM
Yeah -- he always had that idea for Superboy. Geoff talked about it on Newsarama in this interview (http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?t=99798).

And it ended up being such an effective story element that it became a cornerstone of one of the biggest DC events in history.

Pretty cool.

- Vaneta

I hated that story development. Truth be told, I just dislike that whole "my father is evil" angst situation anyway. Also, I hate Lex Luthor. Well, hate's a strong word. I just really don't need to see him outside of Superman comics. He's such a big, overblown character that it's better not to use him everywhere.

Also, Kon was just no fun to read about after that revelation.

Oh well, I'll give the Booster Gold book a try.

sebzero11
03-17-2007, 04:43 PM
Wow.

....and by wow, of course, I mean "HOLY F***ING GAWD"!!!!

Johns & Jurgen, and other guys I'm happy about by default!!??!!

BOOSTERIFIC!!!

sexyjesus
03-17-2007, 05:33 PM
Me too. It seems that it will be a fun book.

DO YOU HEAR US DIDIO!! WE WANT MORE FUN BOOKS!!!

EVERYTHING DOESN'T HAVE TO BE ABOUT THE END OF THE FREAKIN' WORLD.
Then read All New Atom if you want the most fun book from the big two.

JLAJRC
03-17-2007, 05:45 PM
Then read All New Atom if you want the most fun book from the big two.

That's a great book. I also recommend Shadowpact and Blue Beetle. BOP has been on a role, too.

Somebody
03-17-2007, 05:54 PM
Yeah -- he always had that idea for Superboy. Geoff talked about it on Newsarama in this interview (http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?t=99798).
And it ended up being such an effective story element that it became a cornerstone of one of the biggest DC events in history.

Pretty cool.

- Vaneta
He was never a clone of Superman until Johns though from the initial revelation onwards - they tweaked Westfield's DNA so he looked like Superman and had certain Superman-like powers, but Kryptonian "DNA" wasn't DNA (IIRC, it was triple-helixed), and it was all interpretation on their part after one of the Guardian clones destroyed what knowledge they had of Superman's DNA to try and make him as Superman-like as possible.

http://img50.imageshack.us/img50/7868/totallyhumanhx3.jpg

And, as you may have guessed, I never found it "effective", but just the worst sort of fanboyism...

Also, Kon was just no fun to read about after that revelation.
Well, most of the Teen Titans stuff with the Young Justice characters (especially Kon & Bart, but Cassie too. Sucking the fun out of Robin was left to his own series and Identity Crisis, but TT happily reflected that) seemed to be designed to suck all the fun out of them

GideonStargrave
03-17-2007, 06:25 PM
Yawn. Thanks for adding to this thread. There are always haters out there. lol.

It depends on how well the series is done. Geoff Johns wants this to succeed & will be sacrificing his time to help give this series a great starpower rub & smashing start up.

Booster's original series only lasted 25 issues, but hopefully the new writer can collaborate with Geoff(and Dan Jurgens) & help this series supercede that. It'll all depend on the story & how integral they want to make this to DCU history. If not to mess up continuity or make alternate universes, multiple selves or time paradoxes, they can even have the characters "forget" Booster was even there after his visit. Tho, I think a key story would be for him to TRY to save one of his friends(or family-Michelle/Goldstar/new? Supernova) from death, succeed & bring them with "outside" the time stream. This could lead to a DCU version of EXILES only with time misplaced dead superheroes(or villains?) that possibly can't touchdown permanently in any time period, but can possibly save the world & no one remember it. ;) The possibilities are endless. :D

Plus the access to certain characters in the DCU can make this series REALLY fun. I like Dan Carter/Rip Hunter, Supernova & other old Booster allies/enemies. It'll hopefully be good to revisit with & see some underutilized characters again from his past, present AND future. Skeets(terminator, lol) can also be a constant evil entity chasing him as well as the Linear Men for what damage he might cause. This is going to kick some major azz & I applaude DC for giving it a shot. Thanks also to Geoff Johns again for loving the character & helping to launch it!

Was it ever actually confirmed that Daniel Carter is Rip Hunter, or is that just an assumption everyone is making?

Deadshot77
03-17-2007, 07:03 PM
Was it ever actually confirmed that Daniel Carter is Rip Hunter, or is that just an assumption everyone is making?

3 hours before your post, I posted in the initial reveal of this series' thread(DC NATION 2):

"Hmm, if DC made ALL possible futures multiple earths, it's conceivable that if they don't reveal Dan Carter as Rip Hunter that they could eliminate this Legion and ALL futures, make Dan NEW Booster & keep him from the present stuck to roam the past & multiple universes(?) while the future doesn't exist yet. This could have them bring back the OLD Legion & have them cross universes instead of cross time. Same with Booster. His future isn't written yet, but if they replaced him with current Booster, that'd solve it. I don't know if I like that outcome for Michael John Carter's sake, so I won't get TOO excited until the end of 52. They didn't necessarily reveal everything yet. But I'll hold out hope that M.J. is Booster & Dan is Rip.
Not everything is spoiled, the tale has to be told for us to see how this leads in."
--------------------------------------------------------------------------

What made me think of that was another weary poster wondering if it was DJ or MJ behind the BG mantle. Then I thought maybe either the Big 3 SEE him die or THINK he is dead from JLofA #2 & what they said.

So, it's possible MJ can make the sacrifice & Dan time jumps his way as the NEW Booster. It's possible, still since Dan is Rip has NOT been confirmed.
If Dan isn't Rip & MJ stays Booster, I'd guess Supernova will be Dan or Dan will be placed by Rip to be BG's DAD in the future. If Supernova is female, then I'll be the first to guess it's Booster's sister Michelle(there was never a body found, just shreds of her Goldstar costume).

All that being said, I HOPE Dan is Rip, thus ending any speculation of a NEW Booster. It makes sense & I like the ironic twist that in the mystery of WHO Rip is/was & trying to draw him out, that villainous Skeets actually CREATED Rip Hunter.
I'll be waiting for 52 #52 to hopefully see MJ make it out alive & propel himself back into the spotlight & time itself. And a return of Trixie, the villainous Dirk Davis or anyone else will all be welcome sights if Jeff Katz can somehow work it in the new supporting cast. Geoff Johns is good at that, so hopefully he can help Jeff with his character history & honor. Looking forward to this BIG time. :)

The Marvel
03-17-2007, 07:24 PM
Jeff's mom and mine knew each other in Detroit before we were even born.

So that's how you break into comics...

No wonder I'm having such a hard time.

j-rod
03-17-2007, 08:25 PM
Booster and Suicide Squad coming back...

It's like 1987 all over again.

In that case, can I have my hair and 30 inch waist back please.

Dukakis for President.
J

GideonStargrave
03-17-2007, 08:50 PM
3 hours before your post, I posted in the initial reveal of this series' thread(DC NATION 2):

"Hmm, if DC made ALL possible futures multiple earths, it's conceivable that if they don't reveal Dan Carter as Rip Hunter that they could eliminate this Legion and ALL futures, make Dan NEW Booster & keep him from the present stuck to roam the past & multiple universes(?) while the future doesn't exist yet. This could have them bring back the OLD Legion & have them cross universes instead of cross time. Same with Booster. His future isn't written yet, but if they replaced him with current Booster, that'd solve it. I don't know if I like that outcome for Michael John Carter's sake, so I won't get TOO excited until the end of 52. They didn't necessarily reveal everything yet. But I'll hold out hope that M.J. is Booster & Dan is Rip.
Not everything is spoiled, the tale has to be told for us to see how this leads in."
--------------------------------------------------------------------------

What made me think of that was another weary poster wondering if it was DJ or MJ behind the BG mantle. Then I thought maybe either the Big 3 SEE him die or THINK he is dead from JLofA #2 & what they said.

So, it's possible MJ can make the sacrifice & Dan time jumps his way as the NEW Booster. It's possible, still since Dan is Rip has NOT been confirmed.
If Dan isn't Rip & MJ stays Booster, I'd guess Supernova will be Dan or Dan will be placed by Rip to be BG's DAD in the future. If Supernova is female, then I'll be the first to guess it's Booster's sister Michelle(there was never a body found, just shreds of her Goldstar costume).

All that being said, I HOPE Dan is Rip, thus ending any speculation of a NEW Booster. It makes sense & I like the ironic twist that in the mystery of WHO Rip is/was & trying to draw him out, that villainous Skeets actually CREATED Rip Hunter.
I'll be waiting for 52 #52 to hopefully see MJ make it out alive & propel himself back into the spotlight & time itself. And a return of Trixie, the villainous Dirk Davis or anyone else will all be welcome sights if Jeff Katz can somehow work it in the new supporting cast. Geoff Johns is good at that, so hopefully he can help Jeff with his character history & honor. Looking forward to this BIG time. :)

Dan being Rip Hunter actually does make a LOT of sense to me, and really is a more satisfying resolution to this story that Rip being MJ, or someone random. Otherwise, why introduce him at all? I know it possible that he COULD be Booster, eventually, but as mentioned before, killing the same dude twice in a year is just messed up.

Deadshot77
03-17-2007, 11:21 PM
Booster and Suicide Squad coming back...

It's like 1987 all over again.

In that case, can I have my hair and 30 inch waist back please.

Dukakis for President.
J

I'm going to keep praying that in 2027 that I STILL have my hair & 30 inch waist. Tho it might be grey by then, I'll take it. lmao.
Boo for Dukakis, but the image of him in the tank-SNL parody does bring a smile back to my face. lol.

That being said, SUICIDE SQUAD & BOOSTER GOLD? F'N A!!!!!!! DC does listen & take care of it's fans & this is proof. Keep it up, I say. Keep it up. :D

AdamYJ
03-17-2007, 11:35 PM
“I won't say much right now, but I loved writing Booster Gold in 52,” wrote Johns, “Absolutely loved him."

Wow, a DC character that Geoff Johns loves. What a shocker. :rolleyes: I know it's nice to have a writer with so much enthusiasm, but sometimes it seems a little weird. It seems like you could bring up any character from DC Comics and he'd be like "Dude, I love that character!" It's like that guy at the school dances, bars and nightclubs of the world who's always like "Dude, I love this song!" no matter what it is. :p

(Much respect and good-natured ribbing to Mr. Johns)

Kolimar
03-17-2007, 11:53 PM
So that's how you break into comics...

No wonder I'm having such a hard time.

It's never been a secret. Knowing people always helps getting noticed. I recommend you go and kidnap Joe Q and spend some quality time with him. :p :D

beta-ray
03-18-2007, 12:04 AM
Nah. Geoff already hinted at a Supernova appearance but I bet it won't be Booster. At least, not our Booster. :D That way, it'll be the classic "who are you and why are you wearing my costume?" mystery. ;)

Supernova is Ronin! :p

Was never the biggest Booster fan, but liked him in a more supporting role in JLA/JLI... Also not a big fan of time travel stories in general. However, this does sound like it has potential to be fun. A definite maybe!

Iron-Fist
03-18-2007, 12:27 AM
Can't wait for this!!

beetle1million
03-18-2007, 05:39 AM
He was never a clone of Superman until Johns though from the initial revelation onwards - they tweaked Westfield's DNA so he looked like Superman and had certain Superman-like powers, but Kryptonian "DNA" wasn't DNA (IIRC, it was triple-helixed), and it was all interpretation on their part after one of the Guardian clones destroyed what knowledge they had of Superman's DNA to try and make him as Superman-like as possible.

http://img50.imageshack.us/img50/7868/totallyhumanhx3.jpg

And, as you may have guessed, I never found it "effective", but just the worst sort of fanboyism...


Well, most of the Teen Titans stuff with the Young Justice characters (especially Kon & Bart, but Cassie too. Sucking the fun out of Robin was left to his own series and Identity Crisis, but TT happily reflected that) seemed to be designed to suck all the fun out of them

See, I didn't find Young Justice fun. I found it trite, whiny, repetitive, and full of the craptastic puns and sci-fi references that have ruined much of Peter David's otherwise great work... Though creatively, Young Justice was a lowpoint for him.

I didn't give a crap about Cassie or Bart until Teen Titans, and Superboy's origin was a much more 'who gives a crap' convoluted mess until Johns changed it up.

By the way, for all you guys who don't get it: Retcon refers to retroactively changing continuity, as in something Crisis, a Superboy punch, or Scarlet Witch manipulation does. Johns didn't retcon Superboy's origin. The original stories didn't change. It was simply suggested that the people who explained his origin were liars. Two different things.

And, regarding bashing Johns for using an idea he first mentioned in a letter column: Wow, yeah, how dare he. Because having speculated on it in a letter years before somehow invalidates it for usage later on. C'mon, get a grip.

Can't wait for Booster meets Jonah Hex.

Brainlock
03-18-2007, 05:53 AM
Booster's original series only lasted 25 issues, but hopefully the new writer can collaborate with Geoff(and Dan Jurgens) & help this series supercede that. It'll all depend on the story & how integral they want to make this to DCU history. If not to mess up continuity or make alternate universes, multiple selves or time paradoxes, they can even have the characters "forget" Booster was even there after his visit. Tho, I think a key story would be for him to TRY to save one of his friends(or family-Michelle/Goldstar/new? Supernova) from death, succeed & bring them with "outside" the time stream. This could lead to a DCU version of EXILES only with time misplaced dead superheroes(or villains?) that possibly can't touchdown permanently in any time period, but can possibly save the world & no one remember it. ;) The possibilities are endless. :D

Plus the access to certain characters in the DCU can make this series REALLY fun. I like Dan Carter/Rip Hunter, Supernova & other old Booster allies/enemies. It'll hopefully be good to revisit with & see some underutilized characters again from his past, present AND future. Skeets(terminator, lol) can also be a constant evil entity chasing him as well as the Linear Men for what damage he might cause. This is going to kick some major azz & I applaude DC for giving it a shot. Thanks also to Geoff Johns again for loving the character & helping to launch it!

I was one of a couple people who played with the "DC Exiles" on the DC boards a couple years back, but I always had DONNA TROY in the lead/Blink role, due to her fubar'd continuity. Now with her 'Harbinger' status (still?...possibly...I think...?) it makes more sense for her to assemble a team like that, and Booster and/or Rip would be perfect for it, as well. (I also had Walter West, Mitch Shelley, "Last Son of Earth" Kal-El as GL, and Will Payton as mainstays.)

I just hope Michael stays Booster, and Dan doesn't take up the role IF Michael doesn't make it out of 52 at last second. COUNTDOWN is supposed to begin with a death, remember? I hope that if Dan does stick around, he takes up the SN identity to learn the ropes of superheroing and time travel before becoming Rip, who is several years older than Dan was shown (hint, hint).

If SuperNova doesn't turn out to be Dan (or alt.time Booster), then maybe Will Payton can be brought back, separated from Prince Gavyn? (which should NEVER have been done to Will to begin with. :rolleyes: UGH!)

Kevenn
03-18-2007, 02:59 PM
I love the news of a Booster gold series. However, with a new Atom, a new Firestorm, a new Question around. . .I'm hesitant to completely celebrate this news, for fear that it's also a new Booster Gold. I wanna' see Jon Michael carter as Booster Gold, please.

I also vote a "YES" to the collar. :D

AdamYJ
03-18-2007, 04:20 PM
See, I didn't find Young Justice fun. I found it trite, whiny, repetitive, and full of the craptastic puns and sci-fi references that have ruined much of Peter David's otherwise great work... Though creatively, Young Justice was a lowpoint for him.

I didn't give a crap about Cassie or Bart until Teen Titans, and Superboy's origin was a much more 'who gives a crap' convoluted mess until Johns changed it up.

By the way, for all you guys who don't get it: Retcon refers to retroactively changing continuity, as in something Crisis, a Superboy punch, or Scarlet Witch manipulation does. Johns didn't retcon Superboy's origin. The original stories didn't change. It was simply suggested that the people who explained his origin were liars. Two different things.

And, regarding bashing Johns for using an idea he first mentioned in a letter column: Wow, yeah, how dare he. Because having speculated on it in a letter years before somehow invalidates it for usage later on. C'mon, get a grip.

Can't wait for Booster meets Jonah Hex.

Well, that's nice for you. I thought Young Justice was a nice, light, frothy romp of a book filled with wonderful puns (I love puns), humor and likable, ingratiating characters. It had a certain cartoon-like quality that I loved. While I found Teen Titans before OYL to be cliched, depressing, overly nostalgic and only borderline entertaining. It only got a little better after OYL.

holtom2000
03-18-2007, 04:53 PM
I love the news of a Booster gold series. However, with a new Atom, a new Firestorm, a new Question around. . .I'm hesitant to completely celebrate this news, for fear that it's also a new Booster Gold. I wanna' see Jon Michael carter as Booster Gold, please.

I also vote a "YES" to the collar. :D
and that's just it, isn't it? If DC pulls another bait and switch, then I likely would not get this title. So much has been put into the elevation of Booster, it would seem idiotic to snuff him out.
but then that's what they did to Ronnie, isn't it?

Kolimar
03-18-2007, 06:39 PM
ha believe it or not, i'm more a 2000's fan, but i when i was little i used to read my brothers death of superman TB a looot. and one of my fav parts was when doomsday was kicking boosters ass.

:mad: :p :D

Kolimar
03-18-2007, 08:07 PM
See, I didn't find Young Justice fun. I found it trite, whiny, repetitive, and full of the craptastic puns and sci-fi references that have ruined much of Peter David's otherwise great work... Though creatively, Young Justice was a lowpoint for him.

It's ok if you didn't like it but... calling it a "creative lowpoint"? Suuure... :p :D


I didn't give a crap about Cassie or Bart until Teen Titans, and Superboy's origin was a much more 'who gives a crap' convoluted mess until Johns changed it up.

Superboy was Westfield's clone and that's it. There was nothing convoluted about it. "Superboy was Westfield's clone for years but now that's all false. Lex Luthor is his true 'daddy'!!" Now, that's much closer to being convoluted. :p


By the way, for all you guys who don't get it: Retcon refers to retroactively changing continuity, as in something Crisis, a Superboy punch, or Scarlet Witch manipulation does. Johns didn't retcon Superboy's origin. The original stories didn't change. It was simply suggested that the people who explained his origin were liars. Two different things.

Absolutely wrong. "Westfield's clone" was the official explanation given in a story done by this Superboy's creator: Karl Kesel. And it remained that way for for several years. No one thought of touching that part of the Kid's origin again because the story was simple, clear and well done. That is until Johns came along with his "idea" and retroactively changed the history of the character by saying "that's false, this is how it really happened". That's the very definition of a "retcon".


And, regarding bashing Johns for using an idea he first mentioned in a letter column: Wow, yeah, how dare he. Because having speculated on it in a letter years before somehow invalidates it for usage later on. C'mon, get a grip.

I think one of the big problems with it is that it's a fanboy idea, executed fanboy-style. Johns changed previously established, clear, problem-free continuity simply because he didn't like it and/or he liked his original idea (the one he had as a simple fan) better. So when he finally achieved his dream and became the creator in charge of the Kid he simply changed everything so it would be the way he wanted it. Not because it made more sense or because Superboy's origin needed an update or a fix. It was the story he wanted to tell and it didn't matter what he had to change to make it work.

Koben Kelly
03-19-2007, 05:26 AM
DC is bringing him back not out of a great creative plan but because they're pus...softies. And worry too much about their image, not alienating audience too much. They failed to put the trigger on Nightwing while Marvel did the deed on Cap and in end, the House of Ideas thrive because of it.

Rah-rah. Go team. We're number one.

Nice bit of trolling... now go back under your bridge.

---Koben:rolleyes:

Koben Kelly
03-19-2007, 05:32 AM
Well, most of the Teen Titans stuff with the Young Justice characters (especially Kon & Bart, but Cassie too. Sucking the fun out of Robin was left to his own series and Identity Crisis, but TT happily reflected that) seemed to be designed to suck all the fun out of them

And, you, sir, are sucking the fun out of this thread.

---Koben:confused:

Brainlock
03-19-2007, 05:55 AM
It's ok if you didn't like it but... calling it a "creative lowpoint"? Suuure... :p :D




Superboy was Westfield's clone and that's it. There was nothing convoluted about it. "Superboy was Westfield's clone for years but now that's all false. Lex Luthor is his true 'daddy'!!" Now, that's much closer to being convoluted. :p




Absolutely wrong. "Westfield's clone" was the official explanation given in a story done by this Superboy's creator: Karl Kesel. And it remained that way for for several years. No one thought of touching that part of the Kid's origin again because the story was simple, clear and well done. That is until Johns came along with his "idea" and retroactively changed the history of the character by saying "that's false, this is how it really happened". That's the very definition of a "retcon".




I think one of the big problems with it is that it's a fanboy idea, executed fanboy-style. Johns changed previously established, clear, problem-free continuity simply because he didn't like it and/or he liked his original idea (the one he had as a simple fan) better. So when he finally achieved his dream and became the creator in charge of the Kid he simply changed everything so it would be the way he wanted it. Not because it made more sense or because Superboy's origin needed an update or a fix. It was the story he wanted to tell and it didn't matter what he had to change to make it work.

You forgot to mention the fact the DNA was corroborated by different people, independently of one another with NO TIES to Westphall, Cadmus, or Luthor.

Then we don't even get Kon, Tim, Kal, or even BRUCE saying, "hold on, let me double-check those results!":rolleyes: :mad:

oh, and, despite what that panel suggests, there was no reaction to Kryptonite other than an initial pre-programmed mental suggestion that didn't work after The Kid realized what it really was.

yenaled
03-19-2007, 08:14 AM
I'll bite.

RocketeerZ
03-19-2007, 10:13 AM
DC is bringing him back not out of a great creative plan but because they're pus...softies. And worry too much about their image, not alienating audience too much. They failed to put the trigger on Nightwing while Marvel did the deed on Cap and in end, the House of Ideas thrive because of it.

Heh... and another Marvel Zumbvie claws his way in. I'd have to say this is a fairly ...um... "curious" point. First off, there isn't a person more concerned with "image" in comics today MORE than Joe Quesada, so that part ALONE I'd have to disagree with, Second you are praising Marvel for having the fortitude to "pull the trigger" on Capt America? The entire thing was one huge publicity stunt that was (IMHO) designed to get people's mind off the lackluster job on writing and continuity that Civil War suffered, as well as (and I do have a lot of respect for Marvel on this part) get the mainstream media pushing a Marvel Comics property. Death, for the most part, is rarely a good "plot" point these days. For all I know, the death of Steve Rogers will turn into this sprialing, twisting, great storyline... and I hope it does. However, to me, the HUGE weight thrown behind this "plot" line of Roger's death reeks of desperation. I actually think DC's decision not to off Dick Grayson had as much to do with other creators at DC as the fear of the backlash would bring, but in the end... especially since one of the things DC wanted to do was "lighten" up Batman a little after Infinite Crisis ended... killing Dick Grayson would have done what? What means would have been met by killing the character off? How would DC have "thrived" for it?

Marvel will thrive in one way. Copies of Cap America #25 went through the roof, just like the copies of Superman #75 did. Nine to tweleve months from now you'll be able to get Cap #25 in quarter boxes... and unless the story is done well and timely (Which it might be, I have no idea) the overall readership of Capt Amercia will likely be no larger than it was one month ago.

Besides, you're killing DC for bringing back Booster (who actually never left since his death was faked and he was still around the whole time as Supernova) and you sit there praising Marvel Comics... but let's take a quick look at something. What about the (pointless and horribly handled) return of Capt Marvel? Hmmmm? NOW let's talk.

BTW, I'm ALL FOR a Booster Gold comic. I love the idea of it involving time travel and having Rip Hunter as supporting cast. I'm looking VERY forward to it.

RocketeerZ
03-19-2007, 10:24 AM
We don't need Booster Gold. He is a joke. How many issues do you think this will last?

Well, if the book is handled well, I think it could last quite a long time. It all comes down to if the book is well written and drawn. I think starting off wih Johns is a good idea it'll give the book some steam to start off with. Jurgans is a very good artist so that will help also. Look at books like Manhunter or when Birds of Prey first started. Both were handled very, very well... Birds of Prey thrived and manhunter was recently saved and will continue. If the books are done well... they will come (I hope).

RocketeerZ
03-19-2007, 10:31 AM
Then read All New Atom if you want the most fun book from the big two.

I have to agree to try the new Atom... it is a very, VERY well handled book. It's lots of fun and you can just tell it's headed in a very cool direction. Highly reccomended.

Another really REALLY fun book (it's not from the big two however) is INVINCIBLE. As much as I love DC, there isn't anything on the market as good as that right now.

holtom2000
03-19-2007, 11:25 AM
i think it's important for fans of older characters to get out and support Booster (if he floats your boat, that is).
If you want to see more older characters brought back, and not see the old bait and switch/replacement characters, then I think Booster needs to have strong sales.

PreCrisisDC
03-19-2007, 12:39 PM
Geoff, I would really like to see you tackle an ongoing or mini of Rip Hunter.

Cassius6303
03-19-2007, 04:03 PM
We don't need Booster Gold. He is a joke. How many issues do you think this will last?

265....Maybe more.

Count me in. Been a fan of Booster's since the first issue of his original series.

Regards,

Jamie

HexMan
03-20-2007, 10:07 AM
Not a huge Booster Gold fan, but the thought of him getting in a barfight wth JOnah Hex is pretty awesome. I'd buy that issue at least.

Cousin Cory
03-20-2007, 06:50 PM
By the way, for all you guys who don't get it: Retcon refers to retroactively changing continuity, as in something Crisis, a Superboy punch, or Scarlet Witch manipulation does. Johns didn't retcon Superboy's origin. The original stories didn't change. It was simply suggested that the people who explained his origin were liars. Two different things.


Well, now... this explanation is something of a "retcon" itself. Originally, as used by Roy Thomas, "retroactive continuity" did not change previously printed stories, but added new continuity surrounding previously established details. An example is Libby (Liberty Belle) Lawrence's marriage to Johnny (Johnny Quick) Chambers in 1942, as shown in All-Star Squadron. The fact that the two were married (or even knew each other) was never shown in their solo stories published during the Golden Age, but the revelation (in the 1980s) of that marriage did not contradict or invalidate anything in the original stories. That is what true retcons are all about. And by that standard, I would argue that Superboy as a Superman/Luthor clone is in fact a retcon. The earlier stories in which we were told that Westfield was the DNA donor happened exactly as originally published, but we now know that wasn't the full story.

Personally, my initial reaction to the Luthor revelation was negative, but I was won over in the end... there was great potential there, though sadly, it was never fully realized before Conner's demise.

Samy Merchi
03-20-2007, 06:58 PM
If you want to see more older characters brought back, and not see the old bait and switch/replacement characters, then I think Booster needs to have strong sales.
Holtom, I would get out to support this series even if Booster *didn't* float my boat. This series has so much going for it. I can support:

* JLI
* A return character instead of a bait/switch rookie revamp
* Geoff Johns
* And, of course, Booster Gold whom I love

Even if I hated Booster, those three above points would still be enough for me to buy the book. :)

I am so on board.