NEW JOE FRIDAYS: WEEK 39

[MattBrady]

<a href=http://www.newsarama.com/NewJoeFridays/NewJoeFridays39.html><img src="http://www.newsarama.com/NewJoeFridays/JoeQHeadshot.jpg" align="right" border=0></a><i>This week we talk more about <b>Captain America #25</b> and let reader’s have their say/ask their questions about it, hit a few other random topics and preview a few titles shipping from Marvel in June…</i>

<b>Newsarama: Joe, before we hit on <i>Cap #25</i> some more, a couple of quickies - <i>Iron Man</i> director Jon Favreau recently posted this on his Myspace page…

<i>"Speaking of the books, Joe Quesada, Adi Granov and myself have been collaborating on a very cool project that you will soon be hearing about. You want to know more, pester Marvel publishing."</i>

So Joe, taking Favreau’s cue, what’s up with this?

JQ</B>: Some cool stuff, but it’s a bit too early to discuss.

<b>NRAMA: And how Phil Jimenez on <i>Amazing Spider-Man</i>, as he announced at <i>WonderCon</i>?

When? Paired with who? And anything you’d like to say about it?

JQ</B>: Phil is doing some <i>Amazing</i> work on our <i>Free Comic Book Day</i> <b>Spider-Man</b> story in May, beyond that, you’ll have to wait and see.

<b>NRAMA: Well, those were quick, now weren’t they…

Okay, we’re going to give our readers a chance to ask their <i>Captain America</i> questions themselves this week, but one question dominated all others, so it might be best for us to amalgamate them all at the top of this week’s Q&A…

Click <a href=http://www.newsarama.com/NewJoeFridays/NewJoeFridays39.html>here</a> for the full Q&A...

[SDM]

Phil Jimenez on Spider-Man = me buying it

[Bird Flu Man]

Hmm . . . that X-MEN: ENDANGERED SPECIES ONE-SHOT sure look nice, but I can't make up my mind as to which one to get -- the first one listed in the solicits or the second one listed in the solicits . . .

[Beheader]

Retailers take note. That X-Men one-shot was solicitated twice. AKA Order billions of them.

[PhoenixFacto]

Very cool X-men image. Looking forward to this x-men event. I have full confidence in Mike Carey. His x-book is my favorite.

[Clem]

Put me down as another faithful comic book reader who couldnt get a copy of Cap 25 for his personal collection because of asshole speculators.

I think i prefer it when comics stay in their little ridicule-friendly niche, at least then i get to read the bloody things!

[KyleV]

Hey, second time I've ever sent in a question and it gets answered!

JQ: While S.H.I.E.L.D. has been made responsible for implementing the Registration Act, KyleV, because there wasn't any indigenous organization capable of getting the job done, the long-term goal is to gradually turn over much of the day-to-day responsibility to the Commission on Superhuman Affairs.

However, outside of being the Director of S.H.I.E.L.D., Tony Stark is also an American citizen--and part of the agreement he brokered with the President when he started down the road to becoming the figurehead of the Pro-Registration movement was that he'd get to oversee and hold the Registration information himself. So consider him, in this case, a Special Advisor to the President (which is more or less what he was during Civil War) as well as the Director of S.H.I.E.L.D. Hope that helps



That DOES clear things up, but I can't imagine that the Commission is going to be okay with the fact that S.H.I.E.L.D. has that info. And I think we've already seen that Tony doesn't trust S.H.I.E.L.D. (in Mighty Avengers #1).

It would be nice to see this issue explored, particularly with regards to how the rest of the world now relates to America and vice versa.

[purgmc95]

JQ: It’s a perfect storm of convergences. The country’s climate … the political landscape … the war … pop culture interest … and let’s not discount the story itself and Civil War.

There is no "perfect storm of convergences" here. Had there been no war in Iraq, which has led to the country's climate and politial landscape, there would have been no story here. It probably wouldn't have even been considered. It is not a timing of coincidence, it's Marvel hastily putting together a cash cow that feeds off of all of those things. There's nothing wrong with that, but to say you're at the forefront of things when you're actually just feeding off events smacks a little of hypocrisy.

[cleazer]

Retailers take note. That X-Men one-shot was solicitated twice. AKA Order billions of them.Obviously someone is going to die.

Hmm, can anyone think of any X-Men that haven't died yet? :p

[BlueBeetleIII]

Hey, second time I've ever sent in a question and it gets answered!



That DOES clear things up, but I can't imagine that the Commission is going to be okay with the fact that S.H.I.E.L.D. has that info. And I think we've already seen that Tony doesn't trust S.H.I.E.L.D. (in Mighty Avengers #1).

It would be nice to see this issue explored, particularly with regards to how the rest of the world now relates to America and vice versa.


Also would like to see the other side. What would SHIELD and the UN think about the director being devoted to the President of one country.

[tiso_spencer]

Joe, a pull list means all the difference until you realize that even with a pull list not everyone was able to get the damn comic because every regular Joe Dirt was coming in buying the books off the shelves to re-sell. I am sure retailers would have easily had enough copies for the book if you told them exactly why they had to order in Civil War numbers. There was not enough to go around, period for either customers.

[The Guvnor]

Thanks for asking my question Matt and thanks for answering Joe. It was a nice, unexpected birthday present.

NJF out while there is still light outside me here in the UK on Friday, I am very impressed.Some good stuff this week. As regards to where I get most of my comic book information I say it would have to be from sites like this. I pick up Previews but I already know what the solicits are, but it is good to get news daily on sites the the 'Rama.

[BanMan]

Retailers take note. That X-Men one-shot was solicitated twice. AKA Order billions of them.

Damn! Beat me to the punch.:mad:

[BanMan]

Retailers take note. That X-Men one-shot was solicitated twice. AKA Order billions of them.

Marvel should make that an ongoing practice. :)

[Morten Pedersen]

I will diffently pick up Carey's X-men oneshot, unfortanly Silverstri is only drawing the cover and not the whole book, but Eaton is okey.

[Morten Pedersen]

Obviously someone is going to die.

Hmm, can anyone think of any X-Men that haven't died yet? :p

On the tip of my head, i can only remember Nightcrawler and Xavier has never really died in the 616 universe.

Marrow hasn't died either, since she had two hearts.

[lorbaat2]

We could have also have advertised the death in Previews and spoiled it for everyone months in advance which is what usually happens with things like this and then there would have been no surprise at all.

Yeah, and you also could have made the Daily News wait until Thursday to break the story.

It would have been just as big a news story the next day, and wouldn't have spoiled thestory for folks who are hard-core enough to buy and read their books on Wednesday.

[zeraze1]

JQ: It’s a perfect storm of convergences. The country’s climate … the political landscape … the war … pop culture interest … and let’s not discount the story itself and Civil War.

There is no "perfect storm of convergences" here. Had there been no war in Iraq, which has led to the country's climate and politial landscape, there would have been no story here. It probably wouldn't have even been considered. It is not a timing of coincidence, it's Marvel hastily putting together a cash cow that feeds off of all of those things. There's nothing wrong with that, but to say you're at the forefront of things when you're actually just feeding off events smacks a little of hypocrisy.

I find this post ironic since Captain America became an icon in the first place because he was created in response to the growing threat of the Axis powers to the USA. Not surprisingly, writers over the decades have used the concerns of real Americans as inspiration for Cap's adventures. The following article explores this:

http://www.opinionjournal.com/la/?id=110009780

So, killing off Cap in this post-9/11 era is simply following tradition.

zeraze

[Kolimar]

MYSTIC ARCANA: MAGIK
Written by LOUISE SIMONSON & DAVID SEXTON
Penciled by STEVE SCOTT & ERIC NGUYEN
Cover by MARKO DJURDJEVIC
Part one of a MAGIC EVENT that spans across the ages. Ian McNee wanted to be the Sorcerer Supreme but was bested by Stephen Strange (MARVEL FANFARE #6). Now a collector of magical and bizarre artifacts in the lower east side of New York, he's on a dangerous quest for four items that he thinks will keep a crazed Ancient Egyptian Priest from resurrection. This issue, the object is the Sword of Bone, and we finally discover the story of what really happened when Magik traveled to Ancient Egypt and met Storm's descendent

I believe the correct term is "ancestor". I won't even mention the correct spelling for "descendant". :p :D ;)


during NEW MUTANTS #34 in a 22-page story by Louise Simonson and Steve Scott.

Uh... NM#34 was written by Chris Claremont and penciled by Steve Leialoha. Simonson's run started with #55. :p :D ;)

[theodoros2]

ROY THOMAS is back. This is my personal favorite news

[gwangung]

I find this post ironic since Captain America became an icon in the first place because he was created in response to the growing threat of the Axis powers to the USA. Not surprisingly, writers over the decades have used the concerns of real Americans as inspiration for Cap's adventures. The following article explores this:

http://www.opinionjournal.com/la/?id=110009780

So, killing off Cap in this post-9/11 era is simply following tradition.

zeraze

That's because most fanboys who get off on slagging the big comic companies simply have their head up their arses; they have no conception of context or the surrounding environment.

[SpyGuy]

Obviously someone is going to die.

Hmm, can anyone think of any X-Men that haven't died yet? :p

I'd say Nightcrawler's probably due to die for a while (notice how I phrased that), and I'm guessing all of the Astonishing X-Men are probably safe until Whedon and Cassaday end their run.

My pick? Havok.

[longshot7]

What Joe doesn't get is that those of us who don't normally buy Cap but do buy other Marvel books didn't put Cap #25 on our pull lists because we didn't know what was going to happen. There's a way to do that without spoiling the actual death.


btw, great quote by kitty-tc. Very true. Love that Campbell.

[0bsessions]

I'd say Nightcrawler's probably due to die for a while (notice how I phrased that), and I'm guessing all of the Astonishing X-Men are probably safe until Whedon and Cassaday end their run.

My pick? Havok.

Nah, Havok died long enough and it was relatively recent, and I get the feeling he'll be staying in space with Corsair. Polaris, on the other hand...she seems ripe, to me.

I'm mostly just happy that Kurt's on that cover. Brubaker said that some X-Men would die or stay in space in the current arc. This at least lets me assume my favorite member of the current roster of Uncanny is returning (Anyone else, I could honestly care less about them making it home, though Darwin IS growing on me).

[0bsessions]

What Joe doesn't get is that those of us who don't normally buy Cap but do buy other Marvel books didn't put Cap #25 on our pull lists because we didn't know what was going to happen. There's a way to do that without spoiling the actual death.


btw, great quote by kitty-tc. Very true. Love that Campbell.

To be entirely fair to Joe, the questioner clearly and explicitely stated that he's a regular, hardcore reader of the title and has been for a while. If it's that important to him, why not have it on a pull list? It's common sense to most common fans.

[The 'Nam]

So, anyone else noticed Criminal went up $.50? Good book, I know, but price raises are never any fun...

[khuxford]

Plus, and maybe I’m off base here, but don’t most stores have pull-lists for their hardcore customers these days? I mean pull lists are kind of like the win-win for both parties - the customer gets guaranteed their favorite books despite the scarcity of the product and the retailer knows that they have a guaranteed sale which is important in a non returnable marketplace.

So, I’m kind of perplexed by this one, maybe there are more stores than I’m aware of that don’t have pull-lists for their customers? But, if you do go to a store that has a pull-list and if you have Cap reserved and if your retailer tells you that they sold it to some one else, well then I say you have an issue with your local retailer that you need to resolve.

I think there's an unfortunate Catch22 there...not every fan who would have been interested in THE DEATH OF CAPTAIN AMERICA had the issue on their pull list...cuz, y'know, they didn't know that was what #25 was until 20+ news outlets reported it and the book was sold out before they got off work to go scoop it up. :)

I'm not blaming Joe for that, but just pointing out that, in this case, a pull list can't be cited as the way to avoid the disappointment for an event that wasn't advertised prior to release. :D

[khuxford]

Yeah, and you also could have made the Daily News wait until Thursday to break the story.

It would have been just as big a news story the next day, and wouldn't have spoiled thestory for folks who are hard-core enough to buy and read their books on Wednesday.

Ummm...by Wednesday, it would have been all over blogs and fansites, so it wouldn't be a BREAKING story on Thursday. Joe actually addressed that in the interview. As much as I think people ABOVE JOE could have made better decisions that would have better served Marvel's customers, Joe is FULL of intelligent, valid points in his answering the questions with perspective to his part in the process.

[Kolimar]

Yeah, and you also could have made the Daily News wait until Thursday to break the story.

It would have been just as big a news story the next day, and wouldn't have spoiled thestory for folks who are hard-core enough to buy and read their books on Wednesday.

I don't mind the spoiler but I agree with you: 24 hours wouldn't have hurt the sales or the impact. That and a fair warning for retailers would have been much better.

[khuxford]

Joe, a pull list means all the difference until you realize that even with a pull list not everyone was able to get the damn comic because every regular Joe Dirt was coming in buying the books off the shelves to re-sell. I am sure retailers would have easily had enough copies for the book if you told them exactly why they had to order in Civil War numbers. There was not enough to go around, period for either customers.

Ummm...traditionally, retailers are supposed to pull for their pull list customers before putting the copies on the shelf. I know some stores that put the stuff on the shelf and then start pulling, which can lead to the problem you experienced...but responsible retailers would kind of realize that the guy coming to register with his arms full of Cap issues is going to screw him for pull list copies.

So...your scenario ISN'T Marvel's fault...it is the fault of the retailer. No retailer should have had disappointed Cap pull list customers...just disappointed non-Cap pull list customers and walk-up customers.

[Kolimar]

I think there's an unfortunate Catch22 there...not every fan who would have been interested in THE DEATH OF CAPTAIN AMERICA had the issue on their pull list...cuz, y'know, they didn't know that was what #25 was until 20+ news outlets reported it and the book was sold out before they got off work to go scoop it up. :)

I'm not blaming Joe for that, but just pointing out that, in this case, a pull list can't be cited as the way to avoid the disappointment for an event that wasn't advertised prior to release. :D

Agreed. <w>

[jonnynyc]

not to kiss butt
but i get all my news from newsarama
(maybe some cbr, sbc and beat thrown in too)

[Kolimar]

Ummm...traditionally, retailers are supposed to pull for their pull list customers before putting the copies on the shelf. I know some stores that put the stuff on the shelf and then start pulling, which can lead to the problem you experienced...but responsible retailers would kind of realize that the guy coming to register with his arms full of Cap issues is going to screw him for pull list copies.

Key word being "responsible". :p :D Personally, I've had problems with retailers selling stuff from pull lists gambling with the time they have to replace the issue and thinking the regular client is still a probable or even sure sale while the new guy is not.


So...your scenario ISN'T Marvel's fault...it is the fault of the retailer. No retailer should have had disappointed Cap pull list customers...just disappointed non-Cap pull list customers and walk-up customers.

At the very least, it's partially Marvel's fault for generating a crappy situation where crap is more likely to happen.

[mike oxbig]

I for one don't want to know everything months in advance.

While Marvel is prone to hype there were enough pretty big clues for me to add Captain America to my pull list two weeks before it came out to make sure I got it instead of my usual picking it up off the shelf.

[Dino1963]

Everytime I read one of these Joe Fridays, all I can think of is PT Barnum and his saying, "There's a sucker born every minute." There's so much hype and so little substance. Wasn't he only suppose to be at Marvel after a year or two? I wish he and Dan Didio would agree to leave their respective companies and get someone who doesn't put out a majority of books that are depressing and not fun. I'd watch the news for that and get that free. They both have taken almost all my enjoyment of superhero comics and ruined it. I guess it's a sign of the mentality of people today, that this is the stuff that sells, thankfully there are other outlets that I still do enjoy. I see in a year or two if things continue the way they are, I will be reading no Marvel or DC superhero books, and it's kind of sad. Maybe like my mom said, I'm finally growing up.

[RichJohnston]

Heck from the cover alone you would have figured it out and when do you think Rich Johnston would have had it exactly? The boy is good, what can I say..

I had it in January... I was just being nice.

[deathshead2]

Joe Q's art is horrible so I really hope he isn't planning to do anything with Iron man.

[comicfanuk]

"X-MEN: ENDANGERED SPECIES ONE-SHOT" sounds great! X-teams together! :D

[MattBrady]

Everytime I read one of these Joe Fridays, all I can think of is PT Barnum and his saying, "There's a sucker born every minute." There's so much hype and so little substance. Wasn't he only suppose to be at Marvel after a year or two? I wish he and Dan Didio would agree to leave their respective companies and get someone who doesn't put out a majority of books that are depressing and not fun. I'd watch the news for that and get that free. They both have taken almost all my enjoyment of superhero comics and ruined it. I guess it's a sign of the mentality of people today, that this is the stuff that sells, thankfully there are other outlets that I still do enjoy. I see in a year or two if things continue the way they are, I will be reading no Marvel or DC superhero books, and it's kind of sad. Maybe like my mom said, I'm finally growing up. please find a way to express your opinion without insulting those who may feel differently from you.

MattB

[khuxford]

I had it in January... I was just being nice.

I figured that was his polite nod to possibly having asked you not to run it and you obliged. :)

[dobieck]

Ummm...by Wednesday, it would have been all over blogs and fansites, so it wouldn't be a BREAKING story on Thursday. Joe actually addressed that in the interview. As much as I think people ABOVE JOE could have made better decisions that would have better served Marvel's customers, Joe is FULL of intelligent, valid points in his answering the questions with perspective to his part in the process.

100% agree. I think this was one of the best Joe Friday's in a while (though I enjoy them all).

And no matter what he says, he still gets blasted on here.

[0bsessions]

100% agree. I think this was one of the best Joe Friday's in a while (though I enjoy them all).

And no matter what he says, he still gets blasted on here.


Joe Quesada: I love puppies.

XInternetPoster1138X: Pffft, what about kittens? God, Joe Q is such a jerk! FIRE HIM!!!

[IronWolf]

I did not realize there was anger over the Cap news. I first found out about it by listeing to the Howard stern show that day, then a friend of mine who works for the AP told me about it and i Bought a copy , when it came to my house i read it and was still blown away by the death. Oh well i for one was brought right back into the MU, after civil war i was ready to just stop buying comics just because nothing was really looking that good, but now i wanna see where this is going to go.

[dobieck]

I guess it's a sign of the mentality of people today

Thanks.

Signed
Earth

[Blind Assassin]

Joe, a pull list means all the difference until you realize that even with a pull list not everyone was able to get the damn comic because every regular Joe Dirt was coming in buying the books off the shelves to re-sell. I am sure retailers would have easily had enough copies for the book if you told them exactly why they had to order in Civil War numbers. There was not enough to go around, period for either customers.

At our shop, the comics for subscribers are pulled out of the box and put behind the counter first, before the store opens. The remaining "non pull list" copies are then placed on the shelves for the rest of the consumers.

If your shop sets you up with a pull list, but sells copies off the stand before the book is 'pulled' for you, that's something you need to address with your retailer, not with Joe Quesada.

[Ian]

If vigilantism has been illegal all this time then how did the New Warriors do it on TV?

[Blind Assassin]

What Joe doesn't get is that those of us who don't normally buy Cap but do buy other Marvel books didn't put Cap #25 on our pull lists because we didn't know what was going to happen. There's a way to do that without spoiling the actual death.
.

Cap has had an amazing relauch w/ Brubaker/Epting. and yet you didn't add it to your pull.

The first issue saw a long time Cap villain get blown away. and yet you didn't add it to your pull.

The tale of Bucky's 'death' and 'return' was done amazingly well. and yet you didn't add it to your pull.

There was a Civil War tie-in arc, and yet you didn't add it to your pull.


For 24 issues, you knew what the solicits were, and yet you didn't add it to your pull.

And now you complain that you weren't given a chance to add it to your pull because Marvel didn't tell you in the solicit what was going to happen?

Well, they told you for 2 years what was going on in the book, and you didn't find it interesting enough to buy or add to your pull.

What changed?

Oh wait, Cap died, so now he's interesting, right?

[dobieck]

Cap has had an amazing relauch w/ Brubaker/Epting. and yet you didn't add it to your pull.

The first issue saw a long time Cap villain get blown away. and yet you didn't add it to your pull.

The tale of Bucky's 'death' and 'return' was done amazingly well. and yet you didn't add it to your pull.



For 24 issues, you knew what the solicits were, and yet you didn't add it to your pull.

And now you complain that you weren't given a chance to add it to your pull because Marvel didn't tell you in the solicit what was going to happen?

Well, they told you for 2 years what was going on in the book, and you didn't find it interesting enough to buy or add to your pull.

What changed?

Oh wait, Cap died, so now he's interesting, right?

Awesome Post! I love it.

I added cap to my list when I got back into comics at issue 15 because of the great reviews and buzz here and in Wizard. Went back and bought all the issues I missed (Winter soldier arc is top notch).

Yeah, I agree, no sympathy. This is a great book.

[jmacleodpc19]

As for dead X-Men, I don't think Xavier has actually died (that wasn't undone later on) but he is on his third body, if I remember correctly. Didn't he need a new body after the Brood infected him, and after his heart attack in Uncanny 200?

I somehow managed to avoid all of the news about Cap #25. I picked one up along with the rest of my books. I had no idea what was going to happen. And then I read Civil War: The Initiative first. I was confused by the announcement that Cap was killed, immediately followed by the announcement that Cap was still alive (I skipped the previews at the end b/c I didn't want it to ruin anything.)
Too bad there wasn't some sort of "Read Cap #25 before this issue" warning in there.

[The Guvnor]

So, anyone else noticed Criminal went up $.50? Good book, I know, but price raises are never any fun...

Crap, naw I didn't notice. I agree that price rises are not fun, but I'll still pick it up. I wonder if that is because it is extra-sized or as it is a creator-owned project.

[mattguthrie]

Hmm . . . that X-MEN: ENDANGERED SPECIES ONE-SHOT sure look nice, but I can't make up my mind as to which one to get -- the first one listed in the solicits or the second one listed in the solicits . . .

i was thinking the same thing...lol...

[Jim Connick]

IUh... NM#34 was written by Chris Claremont and penciled by Steve Leialoha. Simonson's run started with #55. :p :D ;)

Uh, Louise Simonson is writing THIS, not New Mutants #34.

[mattguthrie]

I'd say Nightcrawler's probably due to die for a while (notice how I phrased that), and I'm guessing all of the Astonishing X-Men are probably safe until Whedon and Cassaday end their run.

My pick? Havok.


ah but havok hasn't been back that long in comics time since he was in that coma being taken care of by annie....IF an active x-man dies its gonna be...well at least someone that would make jamie madrox show up...maybe it is xavier...

[RedRonin]

So, anyone else noticed Criminal went up $.50? Good book, I know, but price raises are never any fun...
Hmm damn. Still 32 pages no ads, and I'm sure Bru and co. will fill it to brim with a great storytelling and extras.

Also, that is first piece of Silvestri art I've ever liked.

[jonnynyc]

enough with the dead mutants already
there are other interesting things to do besides kill characters

[zhstar]

I think Marvel handled the Cap 25 correctly in terms of media and buzz among comic fans. And the comic itself was so top-notch!

Joe, I access info online. And Marvel's output has been great recently.

[EMeadow]

So, anyone else noticed Criminal went up $.50? Good book, I know, but price raises are never any fun...

Just noticed that myself. Sucks but it is a book with no ad content so Marvel is losing money there. Unfortunately I can understand they need all the pages for all the Brubaker extras in every issue.

If we're lucky, maybe the price can go back down when the trades come out. I think most people are rightfully assuming this book is going to do very well in the trade market.

[SmileOnADog]

Put me down as another faithful comic book reader who couldnt get a copy of Cap 25 for his personal collection because of asshole speculators.

I think i prefer it when comics stay in their little ridicule-friendly niche, at least then i get to read the bloody things!

I very much agree. I understand Joe is a businessman and he has to bow to the bottom line but he had to have known that once the story hit one newspaper it would hit the media before any fan could get to the comicsshop.

I guess I am just loving the old days. The 80's that is.

[EMeadow]

I for one don't want to know everything months in advance.

While Marvel is prone to hype there were enough pretty big clues for me to add Captain America to my pull list two weeks before it came out to make sure I got it instead of my usual picking it up off the shelf.

I had this discussion with Mark Waid at San Diego one year when he said at a panel he was not a fan of Previews/Advance Comics (I think they were both still around that year) because of the idea that the solicits spoil too much.

I said it then, and I'll still stand by it now (Granted back then the popularity of the internet wasn't as known. And for time period sake I believe this was in 94)

Our general short attention span usually means by the time the book actually comes out we've forgotten what the solicit actually said at the time. (unless you read the solicits over and over)

[EMeadow]

I had it in January... I was just being nice.

That just explains why Quesada was the one being framed for killing you and not the actual culprit. :D

[DarkJared]

JQ: [Laughs], investcomics, great question! I guess what I’d like to know most is where Marvel readers are getting the bulk of their comic’s news. Are they getting it online, from Wizard and assorted comic’s periodicals?

Well after last week's shameful display it won't be Wizard that's for sure!

JQ has some great ideas sometimes and he likes to say he's a firend of the retailer looking to get more bodies in the stores but the way Cap #25 was handled it is clear he's the friend of the BIG retailers not the little guys who make up most of the retailers in world.

[foxfire]

enough with the dead mutants already
there are other interesting things to do besides kill characters
Seriously... it seems so many events now are predicated on a character or random people dying.

[EMeadow]

100% agree. I think this was one of the best Joe Friday's in a while (though I enjoy them all).

And no matter what he says, he still gets blasted on here.

Well he does always end up saying something ever week that annoys somebody.

It is the nature of the business with the huckster mentality.

But he always does something in a way to offend.

He needs a Jemas so he can be good cop again. I think people are tired of him being the bad cop.

[Stephen Day]

I'm really looking forward to Mystic Arcana: Magik.

There was instant reconition for me when I saw the words Sword of Bone, it was used by Cadaver in Secret Defenders. I miss that series, it wasn't great but it was fun. Sepulcre is apppearing in Thunderbolts next issue and now this. :)

[DocSpin]

However, outside of being the Director of S.H.I.E.L.D., Tony Stark is also an American citizen--and part of the agreement he brokered with the President when he started down the road to becoming the figurehead of the Pro-Registration movement was that he'd get to oversee and hold the Registration information himself. So consider him, in this case, a Special Advisor to the President (which is more or less what he was during Civil War)


hehehe --- Tony Stark, SAP :D

[pop monkey]

Put me down as another faithful comic book reader who couldnt get a copy of Cap 25 for his personal collection because of asshole speculators.

I think i prefer it when comics stay in their little ridicule-friendly niche, at least then i get to read the bloody things!

That's very selfish of you! Besides, how faithful can you really be if you don't have a pull list or a pre-order for one? We had a whole bunch of genuine faithful readers who all got their copy last Wednesday.
If your comic store doesn't offer a sub service, find one that does or go with a web order store.

[Ovid]

Of course, Beowulf actually did die at the end of the poem and his people were pretty much extinct by then too. Theseus died. Achilles died. Roland and Oliver died. The dying bit, often tragically, and irrevocably, is kinda important. Campbell had an irritating habit of generalising everything into a bland mush, missing out a lot of the high drama and tragedy in the myths he was studying.

Hero with a Thousand Faces = Completely Missing the Point in a Thousand Ways.

[pop monkey]

Ummm...traditionally, retailers are supposed to pull for their pull list customers before putting the copies on the shelf. I know some stores that put the stuff on the shelf and then start pulling, which can lead to the problem you experienced...but responsible retailers would kind of realize that the guy coming to register with his arms full of Cap issues is going to screw him for pull list copies.

So...your scenario ISN'T Marvel's fault...it is the fault of the retailer. No retailer should have had disappointed Cap pull list customers...just disappointed non-Cap pull list customers and walk-up customers.

Totally with you about the "responsible retailers" thing. We pull all subscriber and special order books first before even opening for the day, so if we sell out before subscribers get their copies it's because WE screwed up and didn't order enough to fill the copies we knew would sell. As an additional note, if your store doesn't have some sort of pull list system or isn't carrying it out responsibly (selling to speculators before filling subscriber orders), get the hell out of there and find another store, or go with an online retailer -- and let them know exactly why you are leaving.

[RichJohnston]

I figured that was his polite nod to possibly having asked you not to run it and you obliged. :)

Nah. There's spoilers and there's spoilers.

Check January's columns to see what I *actually* ran...

[Lars]

JQ: No, I think in the end, much like delaying Civil War so that Steve [McNiven] could finished the whole series, in time people will see that it was decision that was made for the good of the story, the fans and industry.

Civil War being delayed was good for the fans and the industry? It certainly didn't help the story... most people I know say "It was delayed... FOR THIS?"

Delayed periodicals affecting several other titles (THREE seperate times) is NOT good for the industry. This cuts out sales for the retailers, and that, sir, is NOT good for the industry.

[Dr Stranger]

Everytime I read one of these Joe Fridays, all I can think of is PT Barnum and his saying, "There's a sucker born every minute." There's so much hype and so little substance. Wasn't he only suppose to be at Marvel after a year or two? I wish he and Dan Didio would agree to leave their respective companies and get someone who doesn't put out a majority of books that are depressing and not fun. I'd watch the news for that and get that free. They both have taken almost all my enjoyment of superhero comics and ruined it. I guess it's a sign of the mentality of people today, that this is the stuff that sells, thankfully there are other outlets that I still do enjoy. I see in a year or two if things continue the way they are, I will be reading no Marvel or DC superhero books, and it's kind of sad. Maybe like my mom said, I'm finally growing up.

They're comic books... What kind of substance are you looking for?

And dark, gritty stories have been popular for over 20 years now.

[cookepuss]

Dino1963: I won't disagree with you about the NJF hype level. I will say one thing though, on a trivia level, PD Barnum never said that "there's a sucker born every minute." In fact, that's a misquote. He actually said that "there's a customer born every minute." So, in that regard, Joe could be Barnum in every respect. ;)

[Alan Coil]

JQ: It’s a perfect storm of convergences. The country’s climate … the political landscape … the war … pop culture interest … and let’s not discount the story itself and Civil War.

There is no "perfect storm of convergences" here. Had there been no war in Iraq, which has led to the country's climate and politial landscape, there would have been no story here. It probably wouldn't have even been considered. It is not a timing of coincidence, it's Marvel hastily putting together a cash cow that feeds off of all of those things. There's nothing wrong with that, but to say you're at the forefront of things when you're actually just feeding off events smacks a little of hypocrisy.

So is Joe doing the happy dance?

[wildcat71]

please find a way to express your opinion without insulting those who may feel differently from you.

MattB
With all due respect, what is really so offensive about this post? I read posts all the the time that are FAR worse, without a word written about those.At least this poster is not just name calling and blatantly childish.I don't get it, this was a pretty intelligent observation IMO.This is why I don't post more, anyone who has their own opinion seems to be berated on here, while the ones that " go with the herd " are untouchable. We are all certainly entitled to our own opinions and they are just that, opinions.You really can't argue with a person for their opinion.What really was so bad about this post?

[Alan Coil]

On the tip of my head, i can only remember Nightcrawler and Xavier has never really died in the 616 universe.

Marrow hasn't died either, since she had two hearts.

The death of Prof. X...X-Men #42...1968.

[Alan Coil]

I know some stores that put the stuff on the shelf and then start pulling, which can lead to the problem you experienced...

My LCS guy does this. For Cap #25, he almost ran out before he finished the subscription pulls. The last copy went to the last subscriber.

[JLAJRC]

Cap has had an amazing relauch w/ Brubaker/Epting. and yet you didn't add it to your pull.

The first issue saw a long time Cap villain get blown away. and yet you didn't add it to your pull.

The tale of Bucky's 'death' and 'return' was done amazingly well. and yet you didn't add it to your pull.

There was a Civil War tie-in arc, and yet you didn't add it to your pull.


For 24 issues, you knew what the solicits were, and yet you didn't add it to your pull.

And now you complain that you weren't given a chance to add it to your pull because Marvel didn't tell you in the solicit what was going to happen?

Well, they told you for 2 years what was going on in the book, and you didn't find it interesting enough to buy or add to your pull.

What changed?

Oh wait, Cap died, so now he's interesting, right?

Great post, although I will admit that you are correct. This is what it took to add it to my pull-list. If it's good, I'll keep collecting it and even read the trades. Only difference is that I'm not whining about it.:cool:

[coy_dog0]

Each and every excuse Joe Q gave was complete B.S. The ONLY reason to leak Cap's death was so that moronic speculators that have not been buying Cap since 1986 (like me), would have a chance to make money on eBay. EVEN IF we readers read it first, WE would have bought ALL the copies anyway, and Joe Q would still get his yearly bonus.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=UwPZsSgoXP0

Here's our challenge to Joe Q. He can't really answer it, though, without resorting to double talkin' jive.

[WebHobbit]

Put me down as another faithful comic book reader who couldnt get a copy of Cap 25 for his personal collection because of asshole speculators.

I think i prefer it when comics stay in their little ridicule-friendly niche, at least then i get to read the bloody things!


DITTO

:mad: :mad: :mad:

[portermj]

I'm a little confused. Did Civil War: Aftermath have the list of people who died off screen in Civil War #7. I thought the idea was to let it be vague, for whatever reason. Could anyone post the list?

[beta-ray]

I find this post ironic since Captain America became an icon in the first place because he was created in response to the growing threat of the Axis powers to the USA. Not surprisingly, writers over the decades have used the concerns of real Americans as inspiration for Cap's adventures. The following article explores this:

http://www.opinionjournal.com/la/?id=110009780

So, killing off Cap in this post-9/11 era is simply following tradition.

zeraze

Interesting point. Also interesting to note that Cap leaves the modern world pretty much like he entered it (see Cap's pose in Civil War the Confession)... Some kinda poetry there.

And Mr. Q, I get most of my comic news from Newsarama (and other internet sites)...

Should we start a poll for that?

[beta-ray]

Each and every excuse Joe Q gave was complete B.S. The ONLY reason to leak Cap's death was so that moronic speculators that have not been buying Cap since 1986 (like me), would have a chance to make money on eBay.

Damn you figured out his motive. He was aiming for speculators ONLY of which Marvel would not get any money off of.

[lfhobbies]

Put me down as another faithful comic book reader who couldnt get a copy of Cap 25 for his personal collection because of asshole speculators.

I think i prefer it when comics stay in their little ridicule-friendly niche, at least then i get to read the bloody things!

Go down to your LCS this Wednesday - I know we are getting stock of them again - limit 1 per customer at cover price - still first prints

James

[lfhobbies]

Totally with you about the "responsible retailers" thing. We pull all subscriber and special order books first before even opening for the day, so if we sell out before subscribers get their copies it's because WE screwed up and didn't order enough to fill the copies we knew would sell. As an additional note, if your store doesn't have some sort of pull list system or isn't carrying it out responsibly (selling to speculators before filling subscriber orders), get the hell out of there and find another store, or go with an online retailer -- and let them know exactly why you are leaving.


Agreed - some retailers are out there for the short dollar and usually that is followed by short life of business - pull lists are one of the best tools a retailer can have (ie we have 26 people down to get X-23 ... I know I have sold 26 copies when I am ordering them, I order another 9 copies for my shelf and its easy - retailers take note - your pull list customers are the best source of income you have, and customers - if your store doesn't have one or doesn't respect it find a new store)

PS Thanks for answering my two questions - damn I was really off on that Happy Hogan thing - that was my way back for Cap ((a clone was killed and not the real Cap since Iron Man, bring connected to every computer in the world, heard chatter of the assassination and placed the clone Cap (the CLAP :D ) in the court scene and not the real Rogers))

Ah well we'll see how he returns.... still interested in the fact they refuse to show World War Hulk # 5 though

[cookiejar]

Im amazed that Joe Q's quote included someone else's quote about the hero myth from Joseph Campbell... I would have thought he had read the book, seeing as he is so involved in the future of comics today...

And for anyone else interested, read The Hero with a Thousand Faces by Joseph Campbell... It is THAT good... start with that one and hunt down his other books if you like em.

[cookiejar]

Go down to your LCS this Wednesday - I know we are getting stock of them again - limit 1 per customer at cover price - still first prints

James

Yeah...well speaking of "responsible comic shops", I had prepaid for a Capt America #25 the day it sold out, and told them whatever cover was fine (they told me this was probably going to be a 2nd print anyway)...

well they called me and told me it was in, so I figured it was a first print.... anyhoo I went in to pick it up and after 5 mins the guy came out with the copy. I asked him if it was possible if I could get the other cover...

Comic book guy: ummm, I could go and look but you put that you would take either cover.

me: yeah, but I was hoping for the other cover..

CBG: Well we are supposed to just give out the copies and not take special requests.

Me: Well, could you go look anyway?

CBG: No, I can't, because then I would have to go through the stacks and they don't want us going through the pile and messing it up.

Me: ummmm.... okaaay.

Well as I walked out, I couldn't figure out WHY when the shipment came in, and they obviously had copies in the back...they couldn't fill my little request. I didn't bitch about the condition it was in (corner was dented)... but seriously how hard was it to give me the other cover? I noticed the one in the glass case selling for 20 bucks was in perfect condition...

Weren't the copies in 1:1 ratio anyway?

Congrats go out to 3rd Planet in Houston, TX... You no longer have any of my business...I know of 2 other comic stores within driving distance who treat the customers better.

[DarkJared]

JQ: While S.H.I.E.L.D. has been made responsible for implementing the Registration Act, KyleV, because there wasn't any indigenous organization capable of getting the job done, the long-term goal is to gradually turn over much of the day-to-day responsibility to the Commission on Superhuman Affairs.

Suck on that FBI and/or Homeland Security.... neither of you are capable of taking role call and training people in police work.

[mattguthrie]

Each and every excuse Joe Q gave was complete B.S. The ONLY reason to leak Cap's death was so that moronic speculators that have not been buying Cap since 1986 (like me), would have a chance to make money on eBay. EVEN IF we readers read it first, WE would have bought ALL the copies anyway, and Joe Q would still get his yearly bonus.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=UwPZsSgoXP0

Here's our challenge to Joe Q. He can't really answer it, though, without resorting to double talkin' jive.


yeah cause real comic fans wouldn't EVER stoop to selling a comic over priced on the internet...and they weren't any part at all involved in the speculator boom of the ninties...oh wait we have people on this very thread saying how they aren't regular readers but wanted to have the issue...hmmmm....

[mattguthrie]

JQ: While S.H.I.E.L.D. has been made responsible for implementing the Registration Act, KyleV, because there wasn't any indigenous organization capable of getting the job done, the long-term goal is to gradually turn over much of the day-to-day responsibility to the Commission on Superhuman Affairs.

Suck on that FBI and/or Homeland Security.... neither of you are capable of taking role call and training people in police work.


how could the FBI or homeland security teach aerial combat to someone who can fly with out any tech? or teach a kid with the ability to control fire to use that? its not police work its like what they have been doing in new mutants, gen-x and new x-men. they are training heroes not cops...

[mattguthrie]

With all due respect, what is really so offensive about this post? I read posts all the the time that are FAR worse, without a word written about those.At least this poster is not just name calling and blatantly childish.I don't get it, this was a pretty intelligent observation IMO.This is why I don't post more, anyone who has their own opinion seems to be berated on here, while the ones that " go with the herd " are untouchable. We are all certainly entitled to our own opinions and they are just that, opinions.You really can't argue with a person for their opinion.What really was so bad about this post?


well if you read it again he did imply that those who like this stuff haven't "grown up" yet. also i guess he is implying that people are depressing and not fun...that or we have little substance...even though i agree with what someone said earlier, things have been dark for over 20 years...V for vendetta, the watchmen, frank millers dark knight returns and daredevil...so this is nothing new...

Everytime I read one of these Joe Fridays, all I can think of is PT Barnum and his saying, "There's a sucker born every minute." There's so much hype and so little substance. Wasn't he only suppose to be at Marvel after a year or two? I wish he and Dan Didio would agree to leave their respective companies and get someone who doesn't put out a majority of books that are depressing and not fun. I'd watch the news for that and get that free. They both have taken almost all my enjoyment of superhero comics and ruined it. I guess it's a sign of the mentality of people today, that this is the stuff that sells, thankfully there are other outlets that I still do enjoy. I see in a year or two if things continue the way they are, I will be reading no Marvel or DC superhero books, and it's kind of sad. Maybe like my mom said, I'm finally growing up.

[wildcat71]

Yeah...well speaking of "responsible comic shops", I had prepaid for a Capt America #25 the day it sold out, and told them whatever cover was fine (they told me this was probably going to be a 2nd print anyway)...

well they called me and told me it was in, so I figured it was a first print.... anyhoo I went in to pick it up and after 5 mins the guy came out with the copy. I asked him if it was possible if I could get the other cover...

Comic book guy: ummm, I could go and look but you put that you would take either cover.

me: yeah, but I was hoping for the other cover..

CBG: Well we are supposed to just give out the copies and not take special requests.

Me: Well, could you go look anyway?

CBG: No, I can't, because then I would have to go through the stacks and they don't want us going through the pile and messing it up.

Me: ummmm.... okaaay.

Well as I walked out, I couldn't figure out WHY when the shipment came in, and they obviously had copies in the back...they couldn't fill my little request. I didn't bitch about the condition it was in (corner was dented)... but seriously how hard was it to give me the other cover? I noticed the one in the glass case selling for 20 bucks was in perfect condition...

Weren't the copies in 1:1 ratio anyway?

Congrats go out to 3rd Planet in Houston, TX... You no longer have any of my business...I know of 2 other comic stores within driving distance who treat the customers better.
Be careful what you ask for......you did say either cover was fine.......LOL

[Blind Assassin]

You said 'I'll take any cover', and then got upset at the cover chosen for you......

...next time, choose more wisely.


edited to add: looks like Wildcat beat me to it. :)

[EmeraldGuy32]

That DT cover is insane.

[Krypto]

Yeah, and you also could have made the Daily News wait until Thursday to break the story.

It would have been just as big a news story the next day, and wouldn't have spoiled thestory for folks who are hard-core enough to buy and read their books on Wednesday.


Spot on. It's disingenous for Joe to say 'Simple - the only place we went to break the news was the New York Daily News for that Wednesday morning. Anyone who picked it up from there did so of their own accord.' as if Marvel didn't know the story would be picked up by wire services and be halfway around the world within minutes. Yes Marvel only told the Daily News . . . they knew no more effort was needed.

So hurrah for Marvel, they could have spoiled the story months ago, but didn't: they spoiled it the day before. Cheers, Joe, nice to know the loyal readers who pay your wage month in, month out, matter.

[mike oxbig]

Well after last week's shameful display it won't be Wizard that's for sure!


Good point! Newsarama IGN, and CBG are the only places I go. I don't read previews because I don't want to know things or have to make purchasing decisions 3 months ahead.

If you're reading this anonymous Marvel staffer go here http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?t=104370 or here http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?t=104804 to read about the Wizard beef.

[ZEBULON]

And here you have it Joe single handedly puts pull lists through the roof, as I am sue now many more customers will get pull lists, because you never know what great event will come next from marvel. This is very beneficial but I bet none of the whiny "retailers" will thank joe for that or for bringing mainstream customers into the store in droves over the last few years. Ah well such is the fate of marvel characters and creators.

[ZEBULON]

Spot on. It's disingenous for Joe to say 'Simple - the only place we went to break the news was the New York Daily News for that Wednesday morning. Anyone who picked it up from there did so of their own accord.' as if Marvel didn't know the story would be picked up by wire services and be halfway around the world within minutes. Yes Marvel only told the Daily News . . . they knew no more effort was needed.

So hurrah for Marvel, they could have spoiled the story months ago, but didn't: they spoiled it the day before. Cheers, Joe, nice to know the loyal readers who pay your wage month in, month out, matter.

Yeah KRYPTO I'm sure youre a loyal reader. I dont understand why the dc fans are so jealous of marvel, that they feel the need to attack everything they do. I think its pretty obvious that marvel is way way on top. The sales reflect this. I dont know if its because they have so much time on their hands with didios incredibly unproffesional shipping delays or what, but your time would be better spent trying to get dc to put out better comics and not to ruin anymore characters.

[ME5]

Hello.

To Clem and WebHobbit: You weren't "faithful" Cap readers. If you were, then you would have Cap on a pull list (unless you have a poor excuse for a retailer who doesn't do pull lists). So, you didn't get Cap last week. If you ARE "faithful" comic readers, you easily picked up a copy THIS week. You have a real problem because you simply had to wait ONE week to get a first printing of Cap's death??? At least find a real reason to complain about things. A ONE week delay to get a comic you supposedly want really badly as a "fan" and not a speculator can not be a tough living experience.

To Krypto: Actually, the story was not "spoiled" the day before Cap came out, the media attention hit the same morning the issue came out. Quite a difference.

To cookiejar: Yes, your retailer "could" have tried to make you a bit happier. However, you DID request either cover. It is possible that your retailer was running low on the other cover and had specific requests for that cover that you didn't know about. Now, go buy books where you feel you will get the best service, I support you in that. I just don't think you are being completely fair to your retailer under the circumstances.

Be Well, All...:)

[WebHobbit]

Hello.

To Clem and WebHobbit: You weren't "faithful" Cap readers. If you were, then you would have Cap on a pull list (unless you have a poor excuse for a retailer who doesn't do pull lists). So, you didn't get Cap last week. If you ARE "faithful" comic readers, you easily picked up a copy THIS week. You have a real problem because you simply had to wait ONE week to get a first printing of Cap's death??? At least find a real reason to complain about things. A ONE week delay to get a comic you supposedly want really badly as a "fan" and not a speculator can not be a tough living experience.


You don't get it. I admit not having CA on my pull list but I STILL DON'T HAVE THE ISSUE AND CAN'T FIND IT ANYWHERE.

Sell me an Epting cover at $3.99 and I'll get over this...or point me where I can buy it.

[Dino1963]

[QUOTE=MattBrady]please find a way to express your opinion without insulting those who may feel differently from you.

MattB[/QUOTE

I'm not sure how I was outright insulting anyone, but I will apologize. But I think this will be my last post. Everytime I post and I say something different from other people, you always chastize me and I have never outright called people names like so other posters. Whether or not you are specifically picking on me or not, it seems so. I have posted on other websites similiar posts and never been called out, but I am always singled out here. Oh, well, I'll keep my opinions to myself, the only person who really cares about them anyway.

[mike oxbig]

Everytime I read one of these Joe Fridays, all I can think of is PT Barnum and his saying, "There's a sucker born every minute."

Implied suckerdom.

[wildcat71]

[QUOTE=MattBrady]please find a way to express your opinion without insulting those who may feel differently from you.

MattB[/QUOTE

I'm not sure how I was outright insulting anyone, but I will apologize. But I think this will be my last post. Everytime I post and I say something different from other people, you always chastize me and I have never outright called people names like so other posters. Whether or not you are specifically picking on me or not, it seems so. I have posted on other websites similiar posts and never been called out, but I am always singled out here. Oh, well, I'll keep my opinions to myself, the only person who really cares about them anyway.
I'm with you there....I didn't find it insulting in the least,and I have read 100 X worse on here.....with nothing said about those....I don't get it either....

[Dino Pollard]

Key word being "responsible". :p :D Personally, I've had problems with retailers selling stuff from pull lists gambling with the time they have to replace the issue and thinking the regular client is still a probable or even sure sale while the new guy is not.

At the very least, it's partially Marvel's fault for generating a crappy situation where crap is more likely to happen.
No, that's the fault of your retailer. Marvel has no control over how the retailers run their shops and handle their pull-lists. Back when I worked at a comic book store, we would always handle pull-lists before putting books on the shelves. And, we would also ensure that we ordered enough copies to satisfy the pull-lists as well as have enough left over for the shelves.

Marvel did what was best for them -- it was a smart business move on their part. If they had done what you want them to do, it would have hurt their profit margin.

Marvel is a business and just like any other business, it's their job to generate the most profit they can. By not spoiling Cap's death three months in advance through Previews and by waiting until the day the issue was out and releasing it to news outlets, Marvel has created a far larger demand for the comic than there would have been.

Look at all the media frenzy going on about Cap's death. This is a great thing for a medium which is almost always completely looked down upon by the outside world. And you're pissed off just because you couldn't instantly get a copy. Boo-freaking-hoo, cry me a river.

[Dino Pollard]

If vigilantism has been illegal all this time then how did the New Warriors do it on TV?
Because it was written by Zeb Wells. Vigilantism has always been against the law.

[khuxford]

how could the FBI or homeland security teach aerial combat to someone who can fly with out any tech? or teach a kid with the ability to control fire to use that? its not police work its like what they have been doing in new mutants, gen-x and new x-men. they are training heroes not cops...

He does have a point, though. The SHRA is a US law. It is both registration AND basically selective service registration...for S.H.I.E.L.D.??? The US has an independent global agency handling the policing of their own registered heroes and lets them get drafted for use by S.H.I.E.L.D.?

That kind of sends realism screaming out the window. You know...how the President in real life is supposed to be the President in the Marvel Universe...the one who sends Ambassadors that think the United Nations building would be better off with a few less floors and thinks they shouldn't ever be allowed to keep us from going to war when we're good and ready.

It would have made more sense, realism-wise, to appoint Tony to a new organization (that could have stolen away some S.H.I.E.L.D. folks, if necessary. Remember...I don't think there are a lot of S.H.I.E.L.D. people with super powers...so the experienced registered heroes (Iron Man, Ms. Marvel, Wasp, Wonder Man, etc) would be pretty good at handling the training...and they would have been at any organization that Tony was running, post-war.

But in the sense that counts the most...the interesting story sense...having Tony takeover S.H.I.E.L.D. makes sense. It is something that opens up exciting possibilities where having him start a new organization...I dunno...the best possibilities inherent in making it a new organization (other than realism) would be the growing pains involved (for some reason, the JLI scene where their ship comes crashing through the roof of the building comes to mind).

[khuxford]

You said 'I'll take any cover', and then got upset at the cover chosen for you......

...next time, choose more wisely.


edited to add: looks like Wildcat beat me to it. :)

Ummm...but he didn't get pissed that he had the other cover...he got pissed that the worker wouldn't even bother to check for the other cover when he asked and that he was given a slightly damaged copy for his pull to begin with.

[khuxford]

Spot on. It's disingenous for Joe to say 'Simple - the only place we went to break the news was the New York Daily News for that Wednesday morning. Anyone who picked it up from there did so of their own accord.' as if Marvel didn't know the story would be picked up by wire services and be halfway around the world within minutes. Yes Marvel only told the Daily News . . . they knew no more effort was needed.

So hurrah for Marvel, they could have spoiled the story months ago, but didn't: they spoiled it the day before. Cheers, Joe, nice to know the loyal readers who pay your wage month in, month out, matter.

Dear lord...I understand people are upset, but be rational.

1. I know you're not in the US, but Marvel didn't spoil it the day before...they spoiled it the day of...simply hours before it would have become an internet news story anyway. (edit: you have to understand that the unfortunate nature of your area getting books on Thursdays means this would have been out in the media for you regardless)

2. They couldn't have someone BREAK the news Thursday...because it already would have made the rounds on Wednesday when the issue hit.

It is ironic that you accuse someone else of being disingenuous.

[cookiejar]

You said 'I'll take any cover', and then got upset at the cover chosen for you......

...next time, choose more wisely.


edited to add: looks like Wildcat beat me to it. :)

And they ALSO told me that what I was paying for was MOST likeley a 2nd print (which usually don't have multiple covers anyway)...

Thanks KHUXFORD, yeah... I was more pissed that the comic guy seemed like I was asking him for a huge favor, which as he was an employee, and had no REAL power....he could not think for himself.

[cookiejar]

Originally Posted by MattBrady
please find a way to express your opinion without insulting those who may feel differently from you.

MattB[/QUOTE

I'm not sure how I was outright insulting anyone, but I will apologize. But I think this will be my last post. Everytime I post and I say something different from other people, you always chastize me and I have never outright called people names like so other posters. Whether or not you are specifically picking on me or not, it seems so. I have posted on other websites similiar posts and never been called out, but I am always singled out here. Oh, well, I'll keep my opinions to myself, the only person who really cares about them anyway.


[QUOTE=Dino1963]
I'm with you there....I didn't find it insulting in the least,and I have read 100 X worse on here.....with nothing said about those....I don't get it either....

I agree...Im starting to wonder if MattB is a bot :D ...I thought it was a good thing you said...

I remember when I started to see how the comic world works. I was behind the scenes at a comic convention .... It was kind of like a little kid going to DIsneyworld and seeing Mickey Mouse take off his head in the break room and bitch about the customers.

Yeah... Maybe you ARE growing up...:( ...maybe its time we all stopped believing in Santa Claus

[khuxford]

People need to give Matt a break here. If you want to make disparaging remarks about how Joe carries himself (i.e. the insinuation that he's treating us all like suckers) or insult the readers (you know...the suckers)...maybe you could take it to your blog or, if you must do it on this site, at least take it to Talk@ instead of putting it in the thread discussion of a FEATURE/FRONT PAGE column.

[ZEBULON]

I agree with matt b and khuxford. I have been sick lately with all the people who dont add anything to the discussion other then to drop by and make fun of quesada on a personal level for whatever reason. I'm fine with people criticizing his buisness decisions. You dont like something he's doing like world war hulk, or whedon on runaways or the death of cap or ultimates, or moon knight or ultomate power etc then fine say why you think he made a bad decision. Sometimes people will make fun of his weight or something about his personality, and its just frustrating. basically I think matt b. is just asking you to actually add something to the conversation so that everyone can have an elevated experience here on newsarama.

[Nights]

If vigilantism has been illegal all this time then how did the New Warriors do it on TV?

Hush don't anger the mads boy..

If we learn anything from this all it is that logic and commonsense have no place in marvel. :)

You do raise a good question about the new all the heroes were criminals in first place attitude. Were suppose to believe that all the mask types were wanted by the cops now when we seen time and time again that most heroes weren't like Spider-Man and were treat with some respect by the authorities. So were suppose to believe that 99% of marvel is bigots toward mutants and that the authorities were all looking other way expect with spiderman?

[ME5]

Hello.

To WebHobbit:

1--Check local retailers in your area.

2--Check Midtown Comics.

3--Ask "Pop Monkey" on Newsarama or "lfhobbies", both of whom are retailers.

4--1 000 000 Comics in Montreal, QC, Canada (the one near Sherbrooke and Guy.

Those are some suggestions. Good Luck.

Be Well...:)

[Nights]

Yeah KRYPTO I'm sure youre a loyal reader. I dont understand why the dc fans are so jealous of marvel, that they feel the need to attack everything they do. I think its pretty obvious that marvel is way way on top. The sales reflect this. I dont know if its because they have so much time on their hands with didios incredibly unproffesional shipping delays or what, but your time would be better spent trying to get dc to put out better comics and not to ruin anymore characters.

HAHAHAHH woo yay hee hee.. poof.. funniest thing I read all week..

[lfhobbies]

I agree with matt b and khuxford. I have been sick lately with all the people who dont add anything to the discussion other then to drop by and make fun of quesada on a personal level for whatever reason. I'm fine with people criticizing his buisness decisions. You dont like something he's doing like world war hulk, or whedon on runaways or the death of cap or ultimates, or moon knight or ultomate power etc then fine say why you think he made a bad decision. Sometimes people will make fun of his weight or something about his personality, and its just frustrating. basically I think matt b. is just asking you to actually add something to the conversation so that everyone can have an elevated experience here on newsarama.


I agree 100% - some posters that don't agree with what Marvel/DC/Quesada/DiDio/Marvin the Martian/whoever is doing. And that is fine as long as they bring something to the discussion. The crowd that posts insults with no backup or personal attacks are not adding anything to the community. The same goes for the people that just post things like "Avengers rock, you suck". All that does is wastes the time of the majority of the posters here who are interested in the discussions and pulls away from any real discussion going on.

That said.... AVENGERS ROCKS :D

[lfhobbies]

Hello.

To WebHobbit:

1--Check local retailers in your area.

2--Check Midtown Comics.

3--Ask "Pop Monkey" on Newsarama or "lfhobbies", both of whom are retailers.

4--1 000 000 Comics in Montreal, QC, Canada (the one near Sherbrooke and Guy.

Those are some suggestions. Good Luck.

Be Well...:)


Thats true - I can send you the comic for cover plus shipping this Thursday - (I never have the time to ship things out on Wed) - (unless of course Diamond 'loses' them) let me know if you are interested

[Nights]

People need to give Matt a break here. If you want to make disparaging remarks about how Joe carries himself (i.e. the insinuation that he's treating us all like suckers) or insult the readers (you know...the suckers)...maybe you could take it to your blog or, if you must do it on this site, at least take it to Talk@ instead of putting it in the thread discussion of a FEATURE/FRONT PAGE column.

Wow.. with this one post the world has change.. I fore see that never again will a harsh word will be spoken again on these boards. You have brought peace to the world in our time. Thanl You Thank.. *LMAO*

Sorry but I just find it funny that you actually think that this going like stop anyone from posting what you don't like on a public board you don't own.

Matt a big boy let him handle things himself. Joe is a even bigger boy who throws enough crap around just to piss people off to not epect some less than pleasant replies.

[cookiejar]

People need to give Matt a break here. If you want to make disparaging remarks about how Joe carries himself (i.e. the insinuation that he's treating us all like suckers) or insult the readers (you know...the suckers)...maybe you could take it to your blog or, if you must do it on this site, at least take it to Talk@ instead of putting it in the thread discussion of a FEATURE/FRONT PAGE column.

I actually don't think its a bad thing that people bitch... I mean at least even if they are taking the time to complain, at least Joe knows they care... he would be more concerned if no one was bitching... if someone just doesn't care, thats the worst thing.

Khux, I was commenting on Matt's reply to one of the posters saying to chill out on something that I didnt even feel was all that bad, or at least warranted a tsk tsk...

C'mon, its America... people can rant and rave about how much they like something and people can bitch about it as well... I read Newsarama because:

a. decent source of info

b. the people in the biz seem to think its a good place to drop info on whats going on...

c. the people here seem to genuinely care about comics...yeah there is the occasional jerk who will be that way cuz he thinks hes funny... but there usually is some discussion worthy of merit here. The serious people here can smell a jerk when they resort to low blows (and there are a lot of them on here).

I have been the target of attacks on here for stating something I felt, and because I didnt feel the same way, people jumped all over me for it... but I didnt feel I needed to back down because of it.

I personally give credit to Joe for making Marvel relevant again. For many years I collected and never felt the excitement that I have the last year or so... I think being a EIC means having some balls, and if Joe is pissing off people, he must be doing something right.

That said, I also hope that Joe (and Marvel) would have the balls to leave the Captain dead, at least for more than a few years... and not bring him back the same way they brought back the other Captain (Marvel).

[WebHobbit]

Thats true - I can send you the comic for cover plus shipping this Thursday - (I never have the time to ship things out on Wed) - (unless of course Diamond 'loses' them) let me know if you are interested


Thanks for the offer but CParadise is sending me one out Mondayish.

:)

[Alan Coil]

Spot on. It's disingenous for Joe to say 'Simple - the only place we went to break the news was the New York Daily News for that Wednesday morning. Anyone who picked it up from there did so of their own accord.' as if Marvel didn't know the story would be picked up by wire services and be halfway around the world within minutes. Yes Marvel only told the Daily News . . . they knew no more effort was needed.

So hurrah for Marvel, they could have spoiled the story months ago, but didn't: they spoiled it the day before. Cheers, Joe, nice to know the loyal readers who pay your wage month in, month out, matter.

And Joe only told the New York paper because the rest of the country is inconsequential.

[ME5]

Hello.

To lfhobbies: Thanks for the back-up! May I ask where your store is located?

I have truly enjoyed the majority of your posts that I have seen, even the ones I disagree with...lol. Thanks for being a responsible and helpful retailer.

Be Well...:)

[ME5]

Hello.

To WebHobbit: See how easy it truly was to get a copy of Cap #25 at cover? So, "faithful" comic readers CAN get a copy at cover if they want it. They simply had to wait a single, solitary week.

So, are you "over it" now? ;) ;) (just a little teasing )

I hope you enjoy it when you get it. I did.

Be Well...:)

[WebHobbit]

Hello.

To WebHobbit: See how easy it truly was to get a copy of Cap #25 at cover? So, "faithful" comic readers CAN get a copy at cover if they want it. They simply had to wait a single, solitary week.

So, are you "over it" now? ;) ;) (just a little teasing )

I hope you enjoy it when you get it. I did.

Be Well...:)

Well, if you call having to order it from several states away and pay more in shipping than the book costs easy then I guess it wasn't too bad. This IS waiting longer than a week though. Remember I don't have it yet. It will be more like 2 weeks in total.

And all of this so some non-comicbook reading speculator scumbags can make 75 bucks a copy on friggin' eBay. No, I guess I aint over it,

[Alan Coil]

Well, if you call having to order it from several states away and pay more in shipping than the book costs easy then I guess it wasn't too bad. This IS waiting longer than a week though. Remember I don't have it yet. It will be more like 2 weeks in total.

And all of this so some non-comicbook reading speculator scumbags can make 75 bucks a copy on friggin' eBay. No, I guess I aint over it,

And you shouldn't get over it.

There are stores that didn't get the reorders this week. They didn't know they were available. And I still think there is the small possibility that they are not truly 1st prints. Why would Marvel go to the expense of printing 100,000 EXTRA copies, yet then leave them sitting at the printer...instead of shipping them to Diamond.

[Krypto]

Yeah KRYPTO I'm sure youre a loyal reader. I dont understand why the dc fans are so jealous of marvel, that they feel the need to attack everything they do. I think its pretty obvious that marvel is way way on top. The sales reflect this. I dont know if its because they have so much time on their hands with didios incredibly unproffesional shipping delays or what, but your time would be better spent trying to get dc to put out better comics and not to ruin anymore characters.

Only if you learn to punctuate/spell/make sense.

[Krypto]

Dear lord...I understand people are upset, but be rational.

1. I know you're not in the US, but Marvel didn't spoil it the day before...they spoiled it the day of...simply hours before it would have become an internet news story anyway. (edit: you have to understand that the unfortunate nature of your area getting books on Thursdays means this would have been out in the media for you regardless)

2. They couldn't have someone BREAK the news Thursday...because it already would have made the rounds on Wednesday when the issue hit.

It is ironic that you accuse someone else of being disingenuous.

Thanks for the correction - I thought I read it on Tuesday, but seemingly not. Sandra Bullock moment . . .

[khuxford]

Well, if you call having to order it from several states away and pay more in shipping than the book costs easy then I guess it wasn't too bad. This IS waiting longer than a week though. Remember I don't have it yet. It will be more like 2 weeks in total.

And all of this so some non-comicbook reading speculator scumbags can make 75 bucks a copy on friggin' eBay. No, I guess I aint over it,

WebHobbit...I like you...I do...but MANY retailers got plenty of new copies this past Wednesday. If you couldn't find one in your area, you either have some retailers that were unfortunately unable or to slow at changing their backorders to reorders with Diamond...or you didn't try all that hard. You could have had one bought online that would have been to you only a week and a half (or less) after it came out if you had been willing to check online.

You have a right to be frustrated with not having it the Wednesday it came out, to some extent...but complaining that you don't have it more than 2 weeks later isn't Marvel's fault.

[WebHobbit]

Believe me I tried very hard! Just ask my family who are probably tired of hearing me bitch & whine about it!

:D

I did try the online option many times over several days including that Wednesday and every time I tried they were sold out. One place I tried multiple times was midtown as they were mentioned a lot around here as having it at cover price. I also tried Atomic comics (among others) as JoeQ himself suggested them in an email. They were also sold out.

Now I'm sure that some of these online retailers must have had it in stock at some point over the last week & half but never when I checked. I been buying all sorts of stuff online for more than a decade now so I'm hardly a newbie here!

One thing that probably didn't help my situation is I have to work a day job that has NO INTERNET access. So I can't web-surf until after 3:40pm weekdays.

[wildcat71]

People need to give Matt a break here. If you want to make disparaging remarks about how Joe carries himself (i.e. the insinuation that he's treating us all like suckers) or insult the readers (you know...the suckers)...maybe you could take it to your blog or, if you must do it on this site, at least take it to Talk@ instead of putting it in the thread discussion of a FEATURE/FRONT PAGE column.
I think my point has been lost in the discussion.I'm just saying what is good for the goose is good for the gander.Some people can say anything negative that they want.Some aren't even allowed to cast their own opinion on here, no matter if it is negative or positive.SORRY, I thought this was a discussion site, not a one sided love my opionion or leave site.I like Marvel, I like DC, but it does seem this is the bash Dc must love Marvel site.Why can't we like both?That's just stupid IMO.Let people have their opinion, it's just that, THEIR opinion.It's not going to change the world and it's not going to hurt you.It's ridiculous when we are criticized for having our own thoughts.I agree, some of us are growing up, while others need to.Not saying comics are for kids,I'm saying allowing others to speak their minds is a sign of maturity.

[khuxford]

I think my point has been lost in the discussion.I'm just saying what is good for the goose is good for the gander.Some people can say anything negative that they want.Some aren't even allowed to cast their own opinion on here, no matter if it is negative or positive.SORRY, I thought this was a discussion site, not a one sided love my opionion or leave site.I like Marvel, I like DC, but it does seem this is the bash Dc must love Marvel site.Why can't we like both?That's just stupid IMO.Let people have their opinion, it's just that, THEIR opinion.It's not going to change the world and it's not going to hurt you.It's ridiculous when we are criticized for having our own thoughts.I agree, some of us are growing up, while others need to.Not saying comics are for kids,I'm saying allowing others to speak their minds is a sign of maturity.

I think you've lost the point of the statement that Matt asked the guy to relax on (and ASKED, didn't demand, didn't delete, didn't give him an account suspension...just asked publicly in order to nip a possible flaming argument before it happened):

Everytime I read one of these Joe Fridays, all I can think of is PT Barnum and his saying, "There's a sucker born every minute." There's so much hype and so little substance. Wasn't he only suppose to be at Marvel after a year or two? I wish he and Dan Didio would agree to leave their respective companies and get someone who doesn't put out a majority of books that are depressing and not fun. I'd watch the news for that and get that free. They both have taken almost all my enjoyment of superhero comics and ruined it. I guess it's a sign of the mentality of people today, that this is the stuff that sells, thankfully there are other outlets that I still do enjoy. I see in a year or two if things continue the way they are, I will be reading no Marvel or DC superhero books, and it's kind of sad. Maybe like my mom said, I'm finally growing up.

You see...anyone who likes this FEATURE COLUMN at Newsarama.com is a sucker. Anyone who likes ANY PRODUCT THAT QUESADA OR DIDIO ARE PUTTING OUT has some really stupid/bad/idiotic/negative mentality that they're demonstrating by contributing to the sales of the title. Apparently, it is an immature mentality, since Dino feels his not liking their direction might be a sign that he is growing up.

Now...go back and read his statement and find me anything constructive. Find me anything that can contribute to an actual discussion or debate. Hell, find me anything actually being SPECIFIED so that it can be discussed, instead of a general blanket insult for anything they've done in their respective jobs and the people that buy the stuff so that they still have those jobs.

Did he start hurling insults or curses at people? No. Is he contributing anything but a potential flaming argument with nothing constructive about it? Nope. We'd probably be in that flaming argument right now, except Matt decided to try to stop it before it happened...and some of you have decided to debate Matt's wisdom or fairness in doing so now.

And let me stress...this is a FEATURE COLUMN. If you want to bash the work of these two gentlemen without bothering to cite any particular work to back up your dissatisfaction, you could probably create a thread in the TALK@ section that won't see Matt step in unless you start throwing around huge insults at each other. Heck, even then, he might just label it a slapfight so that anyone wandering into the thread only has themselves to blame. :D

But this a feature column and its thread should be kept as a place for reasoned discussion, not baseless bashing.

I don't speak for Matt or the site in anything I said. I'm just trying to reason with some people I think are reacting a little too harshly to Matt suggesting the guy slow his roll. I, also, think the free speech arguments are a little silly: this is a site that you need to sign up for and agree to the TOS in order to be an active member. That it requires MEMBERSHIP means it isn't entirely public. This isn't public server space...it is space that Newsarama.com provides. As such, your speech is only as free as the TOS allows and you're not suffering from capital C Censorship if asked to tone down your rhetoric.

[wildcat71]

I think you've lost the point of the statement that Matt asked the guy to relax on (and ASKED, didn't demand, didn't delete, didn't give him an account suspension...just asked publicly in order to nip a possible flaming argument before it happened):



You see...anyone who likes this FEATURE COLUMN at Newsarama.com is a sucker. Anyone who likes ANY PRODUCT THAT QUESADA OR DIDIO ARE PUTTING OUT has some really stupid/bad/idiotic/negative mentality that they're demonstrating by contributing to the sales of the title. Apparently, it is an immature mentality, since Dino feels his not liking their direction might be a sign that he is growing up.

Now...go back and read his statement and find me anything constructive. Find me anything that can contribute to an actual discussion or debate. Hell, find me anything actually being SPECIFIED so that it can be discussed, instead of a general blanket insult for anything they've done in their respective jobs and the people that buy the stuff so that they still have those jobs.

Did he start hurling insults or curses at people? No. Is he contributing anything but a potential flaming argument with nothing constructive about it? Nope. We'd probably be in that flaming argument right now, except Matt decided to try to stop it before it happened...and some of you have decided to debate Matt's wisdom or fairness in doing so now.

And let me stress...this is a FEATURE COLUMN. If you want to bash the work of these two gentlemen without bothering to cite any particular work to back up your dissatisfaction, you could probably create a thread in the TALK@ section that won't see Matt step in unless you start throwing around huge insults at each other. Heck, even then, he might just label it a slapfight so that anyone wandering into the thread only has themselves to blame. :D

But this a feature column and its thread should be kept as a place for reasoned discussion, not baseless bashing.

I don't speak for Matt or the site in anything I said. I'm just trying to reason with some people I think are reacting a little too harshly to Matt suggesting the guy slow his roll. I, also, think the free speech arguments are a little silly: this is a site that you need to sign up for and agree to the TOS in order to be an active member. That it requires MEMBERSHIP means it isn't entirely public. This isn't public server space...it is space that Newsarama.com provides. As such, your speech is only as free as the TOS allows and you're not suffering from capital C Censorship if asked to tone down your rhetoric.You are still missing the entire point about some people calling each other names, raving like lunatics,and never a word mentioned to " cool it down " I don't care if this is pvt or sign up, you still get to have an opinion, whether you deem it right or wrong.When everyone is treated equal , then I will shut up about it.Can you honestly say it is fair to ask one person to tone it down when their are others hurling insults left and right ?I'd rather see someone criticize Quesada or Didio than call me someone else on here a name.I'm done with this line of conversation.No one is right, no one is wrong, but fair is fair and equal rights for everyone.

[khuxford]

You are still missing the entire point about some people calling each other names, raving like lunatics,and never a word mentioned to " cool it down " I don't care if this is pvt or sign up, you still get to have an opinion, whether you deem it right or wrong.When everyone is treated equal , then I will shut up about it.Can you honestly say it is fair to ask one person to tone it down when their are others hurling insults left and right ?I'd rather see someone criticize Quesada or Didio than call me someone else on here a name.I'm done with this line of conversation.No one is right, no one is wrong, but fair is fair and equal rights for everyone.

I'm not missing the point. Find me a feature article where that happens and Brady doesn't come in and say something. Find me a front page feature where any of what you're suggesting has happened and Brady didn't do something about it. Show me how often that happens.

Now, in the Talk@ area, you might be able to find some examples...but Dino's post would have gone uncommented on in Talk@, which is my whole point.

And, point of fact, Dino was insulting plenty of people via his implications...without a single constructive bit in his post to redeem it.

[silverbolt]

[QUOTE=MattBrady]please find a way to express your opinion without insulting those who may feel differently from you.

MattB[/QUOTE

I'm not sure how I was outright insulting anyone, but I will apologize. But I think this will be my last post. Everytime I post and I say something different from other people, you always chastize me and I have never outright called people names like so other posters. Whether or not you are specifically picking on me or not, it seems so. I have posted on other websites similiar posts and never been called out, but I am always singled out here. Oh, well, I'll keep my opinions to myself, the only person who really cares about them anyway.


mmm...ive learned from the past, you can't question the powers that be in the threads about "certain people" who give exclusive interviews weekly.

I just dont "discuss" on this "discussion board" anymore. I only give input when i wanna kiss an artist or writer's ass.
like most people here do. because the only people that it's ok to criticize here is Rob Liefeld and...
...
well, just him I guess - and this week is pile on Michael Turner week.
:p

[silverbolt]

actually i shouldnt have written the above post. I dont want to be accused of spreading "untruths" on the internet.

I apologize to anyone Ive offended. Please dont put me on an ignore list.

which is the equivalent of a 5 year old putting his hands to his ears and yelling at the top of his lungs LALALALALALALA I CANT HEAR YOU since they cant take an opposing point of view like an adult.

ouch. i sound bitter tonite. I better get back to my world now.

[wildcat71]

I'm not missing the point. Find me a feature article where that happens and Brady doesn't come in and say something. Find me a front page feature where any of what you're suggesting has happened and Brady didn't do something about it. Show me how often that happens.

Now, in the Talk@ area, you might be able to find some examples...but Dino's post would have gone uncommented on in Talk@, which is my whole point.
Like I said, I'm done with this......I could go back and find plenty of examples.But I'm really over all this.It's not as if I'm just making it up...it does happen, and it appears it's all about WHO you are and WHO you are talking about.Like I said, I'm done with this.It's pointless.

[ME5]

Hello.

To Silverbolt and Wildcat71: Plenty of criticisms of many creators and comics exist on this site. I know I have made my fair share of them. As long as you criticize in a polite, mature manner, giving reasons for the critique, you will have no problems. If you are simply trashing someone because it is your supposed right to be able to do so, well, that is not necessarily true, here.

By the way, Wildcat71, many people feel the opposite of what you say about Marvel and DC bashing is true. I have seen more weekly attacks on Marvel threads than I have on DC threads. Perspective, I guess.

Be Well...:)

[wildcat71]

[QUOTE=Dino1963]


mmm...ive learned from the past, you can't question the powers that be in the threads about "certain people" who give exclusive interviews weekly.

I just dont "discuss" on this "discussion board" anymore. I only give input when i wanna kiss an artist or writer's ass.
like most people here do. because the only people that it's ok to criticize here is Rob Liefeld and...
...
well, just him I guess - and this week is pile on Michael Turner week.
:p
I could not agree with you more

[mattguthrie]

Well, if you call having to order it from several states away and pay more in shipping than the book costs easy then I guess it wasn't too bad. This IS waiting longer than a week though. Remember I don't have it yet. It will be more like 2 weeks in total.

And all of this so some non-comicbook reading speculator scumbags can make 75 bucks a copy on friggin' eBay. No, I guess I aint over it,


well i suggest don't live in a back water state....most places that have a high population didn't have a problem with th copies of #25.....live in a normal part of the country and you wont have a problem.

[mattguthrie]

And you shouldn't get over it.

There are stores that didn't get the reorders this week. They didn't know they were available. And I still think there is the small possibility that they are not truly 1st prints. Why would Marvel go to the expense of printing 100,000 EXTRA copies, yet then leave them sitting at the printer...instead of shipping them to Diamond.

like i said dont live in a back water state and you wont have shipping problems because you you wont be in the boondocks...

[mattguthrie]

Like I said, I'm done with this......I could go back and find plenty of examples.But I'm really over all this.It's not as if I'm just making it up...it does happen, and it appears it's all about WHO you are and WHO you are talking about.Like I said, I'm done with this.It's pointless.

i COULD...but im not gonna....cause matt nipped something in the bud because that guy DID insult readers because he "grew up"...and obviously we didn't....

[ME5]

Hello.

To mattguthrie: A bit rude and uncalled for reply, don't you think? I don't agree with WebHobbit's position, but insulting where he lives? Ratchet it down a notch, bub, we are trying to be friendly.

Be Well...:)

[wildcat71]

i COULD...but im not gonna....cause matt nipped something in the bud because that guy DID insult readers because he "grew up"...and obviously we didn't....
See? Here's this guy calling Indiana a " backwater" state. I realize he's not talking about any one of us posters per se.But this is part of the animosity I refer to.Why say something like this? Is it going to change anything? Does it make you feel better about yourself? Why resort to this? I guess I'm just too nice of a person.Like mama always said. if you don't have anything good to say, keep your mouth shut.BTW I'd hardly call Indiana a backwater state.We could all be a shade nicer on here, and it won't hurt, I promise.Peace to all

[wildcat71]

[QUOTE=mattguthrie]i COULD...but im not gonna....cause matt nipped something in the bud because that guy DID insult readers because he "grew up"...and obviously we didn't....[/QUO
Sorry, multiple posts

[wildcat71]

i COULD...but im not gonna....cause matt nipped something in the bud because that guy DID insult readers because he "grew up"...and obviously we didn't....
sorry multiple posts

[wildcat71]

i COULD...but im not gonna....cause matt nipped something in the bud because that guy DID insult readers because he "grew up"...and obviously we didn't....
How do you delete a post/ I can only seem to edit mine....sorry

[wildcat71]

See? Here's this guy calling Indiana a " backwater" state. I realize he's not talking about any one of us posters per se.But this is part of the animosity I refer to.Why say something like this? Is it going to change anything? Does it make you feel better about yourself? Why resort to this? I guess I'm just too nice of a person.Like mama always said. if you don't have anything good to say, don't say anything at all.BTW I'd hardly call Indiana a backwater state.We could all be a shade nicer on here, and it won't hurt, I promise.Peace to all
SORRY about the multiple posts.....not sure how that happened and I'm not sure how to get the extras off.....:confused:

[NedPepper]

enough with the dead mutants already
there are other interesting things to do besides kill characters


Are there ANY mutants not depowered or dead? Jeez. I agree that there has to be other things to do to make comics exciting besides killing characters. It's officially overkill, and both Marvel and DC are guilty. Isn't Joss and Ed both hinting at killing characters in their respective arcs? Is there even a mutant population anymore?

While the rest of the MU is exploding, the poor X-Men are being picked and chewed away.

Hell, it'll probably be Hank McCoy and I'll have to quit reading comics altogether just to avoid going into a depression. ;) After Cap, I can't take another long time favorite biting the bullet.

[Krypto]

i COULD...but im not gonna....cause matt nipped something in the bud because that guy DID insult readers because he "grew up"...and obviously we didn't....


I didn't read that comment as insulting everyone else, just the poster saying that he's changing. I think there's a bit of oversensitivity sometimes.


As for the question of people being pegged as either DC or Marvel, well, after my first post I have some fella immediately telling me to, basically, bugger off and stick to my DC books; my board name is Krypto, therefore I must hate Marvel. Dear dear!

My normal name is Martin Gray - I'll happily change to it if that helps.

[WebHobbit]

well i suggest don't live in a back water state....most places that have a high population didn't have a problem with th copies of #25.....live in a normal part of the country and you wont have a problem.


Did that make ya feel good?

:rolleyes:

Please oh please exalted arbiter of all that is civilized and normal -supply all of us lowly hillbilly peasants with a list of places worthy of proper Diamond servicing.

:p

[Greygor]

Did that make ya feel good?

:rolleyes:

Please oh please exalted arbiter of all that is civilized and normal -supply all of us lowly hillbilly peasants with a list of places worthy of proper Diamond servicing.

:p

LOL,

You should try living outside the Good Ol USA :)

At my comic store I've had to buy issue 34 of Fifty Two before getting issue 32 because every so often the customs people throw a wobbly and don't release the shipment.

In addition they don't do a pull-list (And before you say it - it is the only English Language comic store in the city so I can't go elsewhere)

After saying that they got 1 issue of Cap America 25 on Thursday (They receive books very late on Wednesday) and the guy offered it to me (although he did tell me to hide the cover while going to the counter :) )

[khuxford]

See? Here's this guy calling Indiana a " backwater" state. I realize he's not talking about any one of us posters per se.But this is part of the animosity I refer to.Why say something like this? Is it going to change anything? Does it make you feel better about yourself? Why resort to this? I guess I'm just too nice of a person.Like mama always said. if you don't have anything good to say, keep your mouth shut.BTW I'd hardly call Indiana a backwater state.We could all be a shade nicer on here, and it won't hurt, I promise.Peace to all

Ummm...what he said was out of line. But when did he say it? At 1-friggin' AM on the east coast. You responded at almost 4AM EST. You expect Matt to see this?

It's not simply hours after the story was posted, when it is going to be more under the magnifying glass. You have a problem with it? Hit the report button and you'll see whether there's a double standard.

[lfhobbies]

Hello.

To lfhobbies: Thanks for the back-up! May I ask where your store is located?

I have truly enjoyed the majority of your posts that I have seen, even the ones I disagree with...lol. Thanks for being a responsible and helpful retailer.

Be Well...:)

Hey no problem

Sure our store is in Milford PA 18337 right on the north east border touching NJ & NY.

We are also possibly opening up a second store in Philly this Summer - I am going down there this week to look at some locations.

Thanks for the compliments, much appreciated

James