COLBERT GETS CAP'S SHIELD

[MattBrady]

<img src="http://www.newsarama.com/marvelnew/CapAmerica/DDream/Colbert_Shield.jpg" border="0" align="right">As Marvel hinted yesterday (http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?t=104834), Captain America’s shield made an appearance on last night’s <i>The Colbert Report</i>.

The shield showed up at the end of the show; with Colbert first taking back his criticism of Cap for siding against the Federal Government and the Super Hero Registration Act, and then reading a letter from Marvel Editor in Chief, Joe Quesada. The letter read:

Dear Stephen,

As Editor in Chief of Marvel, I am burdened with the handling of our characters’ estates in the sad event that a hero should perish before his time.

Captain America’s will was read last Friday, and while heavy-hearted, I am proud to announce the Star-Spangled Avengers has bequeathed his most valuable possession, his indestructible shield, to the only man he believed had the red, white, and blue balls to carry the mantle, Stephen Colbert.

Welcome to the Marvel Universe.

Sincerely,

Joe Quesada

The shield was then brought out, and Colbert accepted it, giving it a rap with his knuckles.

“That’s the sound of indestructible Wakandan Vibranium,” Colbert said. “I take this responsibility very seriously, and I promise to use this shield only to fight for justice…and to impress girls.

“Ladies, anybody want to touch it?

[screams from audience]

“Cap? I hope I make you proud.”

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Marvel fans may recognize the shield - it was a constant prop in the editorial offices (probably best known recently for appearing in a picture with Bill Rosemann a few years back when Marvel moved their offices), dating back to the days of long-time <b>Captain America</b> write and editor Mark Gruenwald. Most recently, the shield had been in Editor Tom Brevoort's office.

According to Brevoort, the shield was acquired by Gruenwald, who either commissioned it or received it as a gift from a fan costumer in the early 1980s.

"It was one of two shields that Mark had, the other being the 'cursed' shield—so named because, after Mark’s passing, anybody who possessed it would get fired shortly thereafter," Brevoort told Newsarama. "That 'cursed' shield is long gone at this point."

Reportedly, the shield will be added to the set of <i>The Colbert Report</I>, along with Colbert's other mementos of democracy and liberty.

[Somebody]

*based on aspects of yesterday's thread, waits nervously for thread implosion...*

[delltechdude]

that was the only part of the show I caught last night, I have to say while I hate that Steve Rogers is gone (for now) Atleast the shield is being kept by the right man :D

[xdemon]

I'll bet Bill O'Reilly is so jealous right now!:D

[RDuarte]

While I geeked out that Colbert actually said "Wakandan Vibranium" on national television, I was slightly disappointed in him because he claimed the Wakandan Vibranium was indestructible. The shield may be indestructible (made of a Wakandan Vibranium/steel alloy), but Wakandan Vibranium is not. A geek like Colbert should have known that. :p

[joekelly007]

i thought caps shield was made of adamantium ??!!?!

and leave it to marvel to turn the "death" of their moral center into a joke.....

[STL]

Hmmm.

I can't see publicity being that bad for Marvel. Good move. And a reminder to the broader audience that what they're reading is a comic after all and should be entertaining; not some social commentary.

The read out letter does sound like boot-kissing though. Could've had a bit more wit to it.

[MattBrady]

and leave it to marvel to turn the "death" of their moral center into a joke..... I know! it was just like when Jay Leno wore a Superman black armband when he died, or the SNL skit about Superman's funeral!

Shameless! :)

Come on folks - obviously, this was done in good fun, and in the spirit of (as all publishers have done over the years) <i>not</i> taking themselves too seriously. Let's try not to go 180 degrees from that this early in the day. People are just waking up.

MattB

[Snikkas]

Frakkin' awesome

[Bearpod91]

Ha! Awesome!

[Somebody]

i thought caps shield was made of adamantium ??!!?!
Nope - the Handbooks once claimed it was an adamantium/vibranium alloy, but all that proved is that the HBs DO get stuff wrong - adamantium's an alloy, which wasn't invented until well after WW2 - and then in imitation of Cap's shield.

The shield itself is "an unknown, unduplicatable vibranium/steel alloy", since the guy who made it fell asleep while it was being made and Something Happened between then and it setting.

[John Evans]

And a reminder to the broader audience that what they're reading is a comic after all and should be entertaining; not some social commentary [My emphasis].
.

(1) I didn't realise the two things were mutually exclusive.

(2) What do you think Colbert's show is if not social commentary?

J

[jaredgood1]

Dear Ed Brubaker,
Please kill Colbert now. If possible, something involving rabid schnauzers hopped up on herbal viagra seems appropriate.
Thank you very much.

[Bob LeFevre]

I thought it was pretty funny and light hearted. Stuff like this is great for the industry!!!

[CKdoubleU]

Nope - the Handbooks once claimed it was an adamantium/vibranium alloy, but all that proved is that the HBs DO get stuff wrong - adamantium's an alloy, which wasn't invented until well after WW2 - and then in imitation of Cap's shield.

The shield itself is "an unknown, unduplicatable vibranium/steel alloy", since the guy who made it fell asleep while it was being made and Something Happened between then and it setting.


I guess I was wrong too.

From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Captain_America%27s_shield#The_indestruc tible_shield

During one of his experiments to fuse vibranium with an experimental steel alloy (the other metal in the steel alloy is described by some sources as titanium (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Titanium)), MacLain fell asleep and woke to find the experiment a success. However, this was due to an unknown catalyst (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catalyst) entering the process during his slumber, and he was unable to duplicate the result. The vibranium-steel alloy mix was then poured into a mold for a tank (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tank)'s upper hatch to create the disc shape and painted to become Captain America's symbol.
Rogers' indestructible shield has often been referred to as being an adamantium (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adamantium_%28comics%29)-vibranium alloy. This is not the case: adamantium was only developed after Rogers was revived from suspended animation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suspended_animation), during MacLain's later experiments to try and duplicate the material of the shield (the substance made its first appearance in Avengers Vol. 1 #66, July 1969).
The adamantium-vibranium error first arose in the Captain America entry in the Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Official_Handbook_of_the_Marvel_Universe ) (the composition of the shield was inaccurately described in the adamantium entry) and was propagated in several subsequent stories by writers using the Handbook as a reference. The error was corrected in Captain America #303-304 (March-April 1985), which established that the shield is made of vibranium and an "experimental steel alloy", but that did not prevent the error's repetition over the years.


I always thought the shield was made of a combination of vibranium and what would later be called adamantium.

Color me informed.

[stones throw]

Why are Marvel sucking up so much to Colbert? The shield should stay in the Marvel offices. If only Cap were still around...

Anyway, on "The Word" segment Joe Quesada seems so proud of Colbert was saying exactly the same stuff all the Civil War detractors have been saying! "Pick a side Wolverine!" Except we're called "200 whiny fanboys", but when it gets said on TV Quesada's rushing to kiss his ass.

[VocalMan81]

Dear Ed Brubaker,
Please kill Colbert now. If possible, something involving rabid schnauzers hopped up on herbal viagra seems appropriate.
Thank you very much.HAHAHAHA, fool! The only way The Colbert can be killed is by several dozen vicious bears.


Vicious lady bears.

[USAgent]

Why are Marvel sucking up so much to Colbert? The shield should stay in the Marvel offices. If only Cap were still around...

Anyway, on "The Word" segment Joe Quesada seems so proud of Colbert was saying exactly the same stuff all the Civil War detractors have been saying! "Pick a side Wolverine!" Except we're called "200 whiny fanboys", but when it gets said on TV Quesada's rushing to kiss his ass.

I agree. Who is Colbert to get such a prized item from the offices? Seems kind of cheap to just give away such a memento from a Marvel legend such as Gruenwald. And to a two-bit commedian at that. They said it will become part of the set, which means it'll probably get tossed out in a few years when the show is axed.

[melperfect]

Why are Marvel sucking up so much to Colbert? The shield should stay in the Marvel offices. If only Cap were still around...

Anyway, on "The Word" segment Joe Quesada seems so proud of Colbert was saying exactly the same stuff all the Civil War detractors have been saying! "Pick a side Wolverine!" Except we're called "200 whiny fanboys", but when it gets said on TV Quesada's rushing to kiss his ass.

It's so early for the dumbest comment of the day!

Yes, because he should have derided Colbert for the great exposure. 201 whiny fanboys.

[RDuarte]

Why are Marvel sucking up so much to Colbert?

Because Colbert represents the spirit of the time? The Zeitgeist. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeitgeist) And because Colbert has the power to get his viewers to help name a bridge after him in Hungary (in a contest designed to honor dead Hungarians; the Hungarian ambassador to the US came out on the show and said they'd name it for Colbert anyway), got thousands of viewers to participate in his Green Screen Challenge (a contest with no prize that required considerable skill), and had thousands of viewers post on Wikipedia to "save" the African elephant. Not to mention having a mascot of a minor league hockey team named after him, having two flavors of Ben and Jerry's Ice Cream, and having hundreds of people stand at the US/Canadian border waving fish to attract Stephen Junior back home. In short, what Stephen Colbert endorses, promotes, and talks about makes the collective consciousness of American pop culture. And in the coveted male 18-35 demographic, no less.

So, yes, Marvel is soooooooo stupid for wanting to keep a good working relationship with this guy, right? Yes, Marvel is teh stupedz...

[XtremeX]

What a bunch of BS... :rolleyes:

Dirk deserves the shield!

[kennyab]

Why are Marvel sucking up so much to Colbert? The shield should stay in the Marvel offices. If only Cap were still around...

Anyway, on "The Word" segment Joe Quesada seems so proud of Colbert was saying exactly the same stuff all the Civil War detractors have been saying! "Pick a side Wolverine!" Except we're called "200 whiny fanboys", but when it gets said on TV Quesada's rushing to kiss his ass.

When Stephen Colbert says it, it's a joke on a comedy show, not an irate fanboy telling Quesada that he's the worst thing to happen to Marvel since Assistant Editor's Month.

And Colbert has been supportive of Marvel comics, having Quesada on the show to plug Civil War and bringing attention to Cap #25. I see it as a gift to someone who's made a contribution to the visibility of comics.

[vbartilucci]

Anyway, on "The Word" segment Joe Quesada seems so proud of Colbert was saying exactly the same stuff all the Civil War detractors have been saying! "Pick a side Wolverine!" Except we're called "200 whiny fanboys", but when it gets said on TV Quesada's rushing to kiss his ass.
When you say it you're a whiny fanboy.
When Steven Colbert says it he's being witty and ironic.
And when Ron Burgundy says it, it's the TRUTH!

[SifoDyasJr]

This proves it! Colbert IS the new Captain America! He's got the sheild...
http://www.cafepress.com/colbert08hq

[JKA]

good PR. I don't think this a problem at all, it actually makes Cap's death seem more permanent.

[CKdoubleU]

Why are Marvel sucking up so much to Colbert? The shield should stay in the Marvel offices. If only Cap were still around...

Anyway, on "The Word" segment Joe Quesada seems so proud of Colbert was saying exactly the same stuff all the Civil War detractors have been saying! "Pick a side Wolverine!" Except we're called "200 whiny fanboys", but when it gets said on TV Quesada's rushing to kiss his ass.
Of course he is; Quesada is doing everything he can to integrate himself & Marvel into pop culture. He's marketing his products.

What I'd like to know is, in the short amount of time Colbert's been at his show (18 months or so?), how would that be enough time for Captain America to make the decision to leave his shield to him?

That goes on to ask a few philisophical questions, like:
Would Cap really be a fan of Colbert? Can you see him being interviewed by him on his show?
Would Cap honestly think it would be better to give his shield to a famous celebrity, or to someone more worthy, like a political figure, or even an everyman??
What about other shows, like The Daily Show, or Real Time with Bill Maher?

I realize this is all in good fun, and I got a good chuckle, but it just got me thinking..

[ReaperFett]

Why are Marvel sucking up so much to Colbert? The shield should stay in the Marvel offices. If only Cap were still around...

Anyway, on "The Word" segment Joe Quesada seems so proud of Colbert was saying exactly the same stuff all the Civil War detractors have been saying! "Pick a side Wolverine!" Except we're called "200 whiny fanboys", but when it gets said on TV Quesada's rushing to kiss his ass.
Colbert is using this brand new invention known as a joke. I hear it's all the rage on comedy shows.

[CKdoubleU]

This proves it! Colbert IS the new Captain America! He's got the sheild...
http://www.cafepress.com/colbert08hq


...and apparently the thong to match.
http://www.cafepress.com/colbert08hq.114935537

http://images.cafepress.com/product/114935537v6_240x240_Front.jpg

[siren3-4]

What a great idea . . . I love it !!! I am sure it will have a prominent place on his wall. :cool:

[elaithin]

Y'know - this thread really does prove that some people really just will bitch about absolutely ANY old thing.

[jaredgood1]

HAHAHAHA, fool! The only way The Colbert can be killed is by several dozen vicious bears.


Vicious lady bears.
That's just what the Wiki people want you to think...

[Green Llama]

I would have been a hell of a lot more impressed if they gave the thing to someone who really deserves it...Joe Simon.

[Derek Ruiz]

i thought caps shield was made of adamantium ??!!?!

and leave it to marvel to turn the "death" of their moral center into a joke.....

Comics are entertainment you do know that right? Anything that will keep Comic in major media I am all for. The should give him an Ironman Helmet now.

[Brand Echh]

While I geeked out that Colbert actually said "Wakandan Vibranium" on national television, I was slightly disappointed in him because he claimed the Wakandan Vibranium was indestructible. The shield may be indestructible (made of a Wakandan Vibranium/steel alloy), but Wakandan Vibranium is not. A geek like Colbert should have known that. :p

To point out that I could be an even bigger geek... he said he could hear the quality of the metal after knocking on it.... Wakandan Vibranium doesn't make any sounds.

[Nate-Earth 2]

I know, its the "death" of a fictional character (one of my favorites, honestly), but this just didn't seem too funny to me. Colbert's comments were great, but Joe Q's letter...I don't know...just didn't sit right with me. I'm not sure what it was, honestly...

[ziza9]

*based on aspects of yesterday's thread, waits nervously for thread implosion...*

haha. Nah. That show was good fun.

[The Funketeer]

Why are Marvel sucking up so much to Colbert? The shield should stay in the Marvel offices. If only Cap were still around...

Anyway, on "The Word" segment Joe Quesada seems so proud of Colbert was saying exactly the same stuff all the Civil War detractors have been saying! "Pick a side Wolverine!" Except we're called "200 whiny fanboys", but when it gets said on TV Quesada's rushing to kiss his ass.

Because when Colbert says it he's joking and at the end of the day he goes home to his wife and children whereas when you guys say it you're serious and you go home to your mom's basement to hop on the internet and complain about the actions of fictional characters as if they have any real impact on your life.


Which is not to say that I haven't gone online and complained about Civil War. I have. But some of us take it a little too far.

[ziza9]

Comics are entertainment you do know that right? Anything that will keep Comic in major media I am all for. The should give him an Ironman Helmet now.

Or that Hammer of Thor replica. :) That thing is cool. By the way, you have a great attitude about all comics, not just your own. That's a cool thing to see.

[CKdoubleU]

I know, its the "death" of a fictional character (one of my favorites, honestly), but this just didn't seem too funny to me. Colbert's comments were great, but Joe Q's letter...I don't know...just didn't sit right with me. I'm not sure what it was, honestly...

Was it the 'red, white, and blue balls' part? 'Cause Cap wouldn't say that. Ultimate Cap probably, but not 616.

[Ben543250]

I know! it was just like when Jay Leno wore a Superman black armband when he died, or the SNL skit about Superman's funeral!

Shameless! :)

Come on folks - obviously, this was done in good fun, and in the spirit of (as all publishers have done over the years) not taking themselves too seriously. Let's try not to go 180 degrees from that this early in the day. People are just waking up.

MattBI think some of your posters don't realize that Captain America WASN'T a real person!!

[Moriarty]

It was funny and cool to see Colbert with the shield last night. Good times.

[Brand Echh]

I guess I was wrong too.

From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Captain_America%27s_shield#The_indestruc tible_shield


I always thought the shield was made of a combination of vibranium and what would later be called adamantium.

Color me informed.

Man... don't go quoting <a href="http://www.brownsvilleherald.com/onset?id=74316&template=article.html">Wikipedia as a source</a>. It's not. And in this case, it isn't accurate.

No, the shield is not made out of Adamantium, but Adamantium wasn't made after Steve's revival either (Wolverine got it long before the Avengers formed).

The most recently retconned version of the story goes, McLain was experimenting with an unknown metal (now known as Vibranium - remember, the substance hadn't officially been named yet) and accidentally created a new alloy with other metals, including (but not limited to) steel. It's one solid piece, despite being shown in some cards and handbooks as layered.

The other question is, what kind of Vibranium was it and how did it get to America? Klaw hadn't "discovered" the substance yet and the Plunder family handn't "discovered" the Savage Land yet. This was addressed in Priest's run of Black Panther - apparently the great god-king donated a chunk of metal as a gift to Cap, as a reward for his honor.

[s*p rules]

I know! it was just like when Jay Leno wore a Superman black armband when he died, or the SNL skit about Superman's funeral!

Shameless! :)

Come on folks - obviously, this was done in good fun, and in the spirit of (as all publishers have done over the years) <i>not</i> taking themselves too seriously. Let's try not to go 180 degrees from that this early in the day. People are just waking up.

MattB

In other words, don't add your opinion on this whole subject unless you're doing it with your lips on Quesada's ass right next to Matt's. No dissention, just laugh at the death of a favorite character and move along. This public forum is no place for stating your own views on the subject :rolleyes:

I think we all get the fact that it was done in good fun, Matt. That doesn't mean some of us can't be a little salty about it, or would rather see Brubaker continuing his great run on Captain America with the character actually in the book. Yes, he'll be back, but I just barely got through the 90s and the whole wave of "good comic writing = killing character and having someone else in the mask" trend, and I really wasn't looking for a return to that way of thinking so soon. Or, ever. I had hoped with the new crop of talented writers we have now that good ideas could come from what we could do with characters, not to them.

But, hell, it's just a fictional character, so I'll unclench a bit and fill out my NCAA bracket. Go Bucks.

[EmeraldGuy32]

Genius move by Marvel.

[Gladiator X]

I think some of your posters don't realize that Captain America WASN'T a real person!!


Shut yer mouth!

People got early mornin' bitchin' to do and we don't need no bozos bringin' stuff like that inta the thread!





;)

[Shadowcards]

I think its great Colbert got the shield and I find the guy entertaining each night and thats the word.

Also enjoyed his work on Harvey Birdman.

[Avantre]

So does anyone know what happened to the second 'cursed' shield (and also who lost their jobs while possessing it)? Sounds like there's a story in that one.

And it seemed like a sound advertising move on Marvels part. If they put the shield up on that wall, it's big and flashy enough to draw attention every time the cameras are on that part of the stage, which makes it a good advertising tool. It's not really doing much good to them sitting in an office somewhere.

[ender2814]

I'm very happy for Stephen, but I think there are a few more people who deserve the shield more than Colbert:

Michigan J. Frog (http://scoop.diamondgalleries.com/news_images/9322_26178_2.jpg)

Michael J. Fox (http://www.lacoctelera.com/quefuede/imagen/Michael%20J.%20Fox.jpg)

Matthew J. Falcon (http://www.mbt.landfill-site.com/Confused_man_wearing_glasses.jpg)

Jaleel White (http://www.paulscheer.com/uploaded_images/Picture%207%20Urkel-778919.jpg)

and, my number one pick,

Fred Savage (http://www.abc.net.au/news/features/img/Entertainmentblog/2006/march/20060322fred.jpg)

[gwangung]

In other words, don't add your opinion on this whole subject unless you're doing it with your lips on Quesada's ass right next to Matt's. No dissention, just laugh at the death of a favorite character and move along. This public forum is no place for stating your own views on the subject :rolleyes:

I think we all get the fact that it was done in good fun, Matt. .

That is not evident from your post. :rolleyes:

You do know what "fun" is, do you not?

[vbartilucci]

What I'd like to know is, in the short amount of time Colbert's been at his show (18 months or so?), how would that be enough time for Captain America to make the decision to leave his shield to him?
--He took that little interview in Frontline 11 seriously, realized he really WAS out of sync with America, and figured he better do something cool and hep to get his cred back.
--He knew he was coming back, and wanted to make sure the shield was in the hands he could get it back from without too much of a fight.
--Colbert bid highest in the charity fundraiser on Ebay. Over $4,300.00 was raised to save the Sumatran Rat Monkey.
--He really wanted to leave it to Eric Cartman, but couldn't get a valid address.

[gcoleman99]

But, hell, it's just a fictional character, so I'll unclench a bit and fill out my NCAA bracket. Go Bucks. Heck, I knew Milwaukee was bad, but I didn't know that they were bad enough to get demoted to the NCAA! :eek: :eek: :eek:

[Unknown]

That sheild was made for Mark Gruenwald, who loved his superhero comics so much that he asked for his ashes to be put in a print run of a comic.

It should have stayed in the Marvel offices.

I hope the Gru haunts Stephen and Joe for as long as that Shield is removed from Marvel.

[vbartilucci]

The most recently retconned version of the story goes, McLain was experimenting with an unknown metal (now known as Vibranium - remember, the substance hadn't officially been named yet) and accidentally created a new alloy with other metals, including (but not limited to) steel. It's one solid piece, despite being shown in some cards and handbooks as layered.
In the hazy mists of my memory I recall an origin of the shield on the old Captain America cartoon (As in "When Captain America Throws his mighty shieeeeeld...") where the metal was described as coming from a meteor. Anyone else recall that? Or is it just me being insane again?

[HartyPotter]

I think this was a pretty cool thing to do. Go Colbert!

[SpyGuy]

One thing I noticed from watching THE REPORT last night...Cap's shield is in dire need of a new paint job. Quesada needs to send his henchman Bendis over to Home Depot and touch that bad boy up a little before shipping it out to be displayed on national TV...

[DaVeO]

I can't believe the whine fest I'm hearing. "Why does Stephen get the shield?" "Joe is kissing his ass" "They are making Cap's death into a joke"

God forbid Joe is trying to get some publicity beyond the comic stores and sensationlist media. Colbert is funny (to most) and is a great supporter of comic books. So he has a shield replica? So what? Did you expect Joe Q to come knocking on YOUR door? Did you expect Bush to make a public address concerning Steve's death?

I don't even really collect Marvel but I support what Joe Q did. And now you get to see the shield on national T.V. prominently displayed in Colbert's collection.

It's just amazing what people will complain about just for the sake of being heard. :rolleyes:

[vfxdammerung]

Don't want to go too political, but, no one deserves the shield more than our American troops who are out there protecting our freedom.

[khuxford]

Dear Ed Brubaker,
Please kill Colbert now. If possible, something involving rabid schnauzers hopped up on herbal viagra seems appropriate.
Thank you very much.

That is disturbing at the same time that it is funny. :D

[iyamwhatiyam]

Why are Marvel sucking up so much to Colbert? The shield should stay in the Marvel offices. If only Cap were still around...

Anyway, on "The Word" segment Joe Quesada seems so proud of Colbert was saying exactly the same stuff all the Civil War detractors have been saying! "Pick a side Wolverine!" Except we're called "200 whiny fanboys", but when it gets said on TV Quesada's rushing to kiss his ass.

When Colbert says it, he's playing an ass. Just like his whole persona is playing an ass like O'Reilly.

[CBrown]

Don't want to go too political, but, no one deserves the shield more than our American troops who are out there protecting our freedom.

No one deserves to get a plastic prop as part of a marketing gimmick more than our troops?

[Michael Hawk]

I didn't know about this until I watched the show (I need to check my e-mails more..) but I thought it was pretty funny (especially the part at the end where Colbert grabbed a sword).

[Arsenal3]

When Stephen Colbert says it, it's a joke on a comedy show, not an irate fanboy telling Quesada that he's the worst thing to happen to Marvel since Assistant Editor's Month.


Hey! I LIKED Assistant Editor's Month!

[khuxford]

Dear Ed Brubaker,
Please kill Colbert now. If possible, something involving rabid schnauzers hopped up on herbal viagra seems appropriate.
Thank you very much.

That is disturbing at the same time that it is funny. :D

[RTommyB216]

Don't want to go too political, but, no one deserves the shield more than our American troops who are out there protecting our freedom.
I think they should all get one, that way they can deflect the bombs and stuff, then throw it and take out like 10 terrorrists each.

[spiderrob8]

A couple of points-

I don't watch him but-

this is all in good fun guys. and hey it gets some publicity. But really, it is just for fun

also, you guys do know this isn't Cap's real shield right?:D Some fan just gave ti to Gruenwald, and i am sure you can all buy one and be a little Capt. America yourself :)

I may have seen if Mrs. Gruenwald wanted it though, and given Colbert another replica since it was her husbands.

[Arsenal3]

Marvel should've put that shield on eBay instead. Then, it could be treated with the dignity and respect it deserves. Preserved for prosterity in someone's personal collection.

I'm honestly dumbfounded that people are outraged by this. It's a fun, goofy prop that most people didn't know existed until reading this article. Seriously, people. Leave the house once in a while. There's a whole world out there to be pissed off at, and for much better reasons.

[spiderrob8]

Did you expect Bush to make a public address concerning Steve's death?
:

That'd be awesome!

[spiderrob8]

One thing I noticed from watching THE REPORT last night...Cap's shield is in dire need of a new paint job. Quesada needs to send his henchman Bendis over to Home Depot and touch that bad boy up a little before shipping it out to be displayed on national TV...

It's well known that while the shield is indestructible, the paint on the shield is not :rolleyes: Each paint flick represents a bullet blocked in the name of protecting our freedoms.

:D

[The D]

i thought caps shield was made of adamantium ??!!?!

and leave it to marvel to turn the "death" of their moral center into a joke.....

Why are Marvel sucking up so much to Colbert? The shield should stay in the Marvel offices. If only Cap were still around...

Anyway, on "The Word" segment Joe Quesada seems so proud of Colbert was saying exactly the same stuff all the Civil War detractors have been saying! "Pick a side Wolverine!" Except we're called "200 whiny fanboys", but when it gets said on TV Quesada's rushing to kiss his ass.

In other words, don't add your opinion on this whole subject unless you're doing it with your lips on Quesada's ass right next to Matt's. No dissention, just laugh at the death of a favorite character and move along. This public forum is no place for stating your own views on the subject :rolleyes:

I think we all get the fact that it was done in good fun, Matt. That doesn't mean some of us can't be a little salty about it, or would rather see Brubaker continuing his great run on Captain America with the character actually in the book. Yes, he'll be back, but I just barely got through the 90s and the whole wave of "good comic writing = killing character and having someone else in the mask" trend, and I really wasn't looking for a return to that way of thinking so soon. Or, ever. I had hoped with the new crop of talented writers we have now that good ideas could come from what we could do with characters, not to them.

But, hell, it's just a fictional character, so I'll unclench a bit and fill out my NCAA bracket. Go Bucks.
Should I laugh because it's funny or should I hate the world for being so stupid?

[Spider-Man]

Would it have been so hard for Marvel to make a replica of Gru's shield? Seems to me his shield should remain in a case at the Marvel offices, in honor of a good and creative man who went before his time.

Spidey

[Spider-Man]

I may have seen if Mrs. Gruenwald wanted it though, and given Colbert another replica since it was her husbands.

Lookie here, a person with actual sensitivity and thoughtfulness. Too bad you don't work at Marvel.

Spidey

[MattBrady]

I think we all get the fact that it was done in good fun, Matt. that was buried so deeply in your post to be utterly invisible.

And the "don't post unless" noise...yeah - does the irony of posting that in a thread where there are many contrary views, about a topic which has seen <i>loads</i> of contrary views hit you at all? Does it what - wing around you and then strike, or just come right in between the eyes?

With that first post, I was just hoping for this thread to lean a little away from the "proving negative stereotypes about comics fans right" side of things. But...there are more stories, more days...more threads...

MattB

[KorE4life]

As daniel ketch is my witness i promise ill have a company make me a replica of caps shield.

[MattBrady]

Lookie here, a person with actual sensitivity and thoughtfulness. Too bad you don't work at Marvel. So you're saying it wasn't? That no one checked? You know this how?

I'd pay real money to see conclusions stop being jumped to, and the opinions of dead people being assigned by individuals who never even knew them... (not to mention people apparently putting curses and calling hoodoo on others becuase they made a decision they didn't agree upon...I thought I was typing on a computer in the 21st century, but apparently, I'm writing on a tree in the forest in the 16th.)

MattB

[ReaperFett]

That sheild was made for Mark Gruenwald, who loved his superhero comics so much that he asked for his ashes to be put in a print run of a comic.

It should have stayed in the Marvel offices.

I hope the Gru haunts Stephen and Joe for as long as that Shield is removed from Marvel.
I would respond better to this, but your post made me lose so many braincells tha ma hed now hurtz n ma spellung iz slowaly gettung worz jus repli-ing t ut.

[purgmc95]

There comes a point when all of this goes a little bit too far and starts looking like a bunch of desperate geeky fan boys trying to prove this fictional story has some merit in real life. It doesn't and it's reached that point. You should be more concerned about standing up for your own civil rights, which are being dangerously eroded, rather than worry about some fictional comic book characters.

Enjoy the story, but the majority of people tuning in to this show are going to care less about a fictional characters fictional shield promoting liberty, if they know what it is at all.

[tboyla]

Are the folks upset by this for real??? It's a prop, people, and Marvel is in the business of selling comics. It's called PR. And, don't worry - when Cap finally returns I'm sure Colbert will be happy to return the shield to its rightful owner.

[Heffaloo]

That is not evident from your post. :rolleyes:

You do know what "fun" is, do you not?


According to my source,

F is for Fire that burns down the whole town.
U is for Uranium bombs.
N is for No Survivors.

[ThomasC22]

I agree. Who is Colbert to get such a prized item from the offices? Seems kind of cheap to just give away such a memento from a Marvel legend such as Gruenwald. And to a two-bit commedian at that. They said it will become part of the set, which means it'll probably get tossed out in a few years when the show is axed.


I think I'm with you on this. Putting aside the whole Cap's death thing this was an heirloom from one of the Marvel greats (meaning Gru not Cap) and it shouldn't be cheapened to the point of being given away as part of a marketing stunt. I'm all for marketing stunts my issue is in not seeing the value of keeping the Shield in the Marvel offices. As (the Newsarama user) Spider-Man said above, Would it have been that hard to get a cheap replica made to give to Colbert?

It just seems a little too allegorical to me, Joe Q's Marvel tossing out an important part of Marvel history to score some cheap marketing points.

In fairness though, Mark Gruenwald probably would have loved anything that got more people to look at comics but for those of us who valued Mark's contribution its sad to see how little Marvel thinks of his memory.

[Bugaboo-X]

((Stolen from Marvel editorial/promotional offices))
To-do list for the week, re Cap.America:

1. Mention Colbert at least twice more. Give replica shield? DONE
2. Start rumors sniper may have been dating Anna Nicole Smith.
3. Submit "Top 10" list to Letterman's show. Maybe "candidates to replace Rogers?" Or play up the presidential election angle???
4. Sue YouTube for copyright infringement. ... Have Legal Dept. look into this. There's gotta be a Capt.America video clip out there somewhere.
5. Look into cost of producing "WWCAD?" bracelets.
6. "Pi Day" is March 14. Cap's shield is a circle.
7. Swamp fan news outlets with more releases like --

Hold on. Great idea!: WE GET NEWSARAMA TO POST *THIS* LIST!!! More discussion, maybe a little more controversy, more page space...

[Blarg81]

So you're saying it wasn't? That no one checked? You know this how?

I'd pay real money to see conclusions stop being jumped to, and the opinions of dead people being assigned by individuals who never even knew them... (not to mention people apparently putting curses and calling hoodoo on others becuase they made a decision they didn't agree upon...I thought I was typing on a computer in the 21st century, but apparently, I'm writing on a tree in the forest in the 16th.)

MattB

Here here Matt. I can't believe how people get this worked up over something like this.. Once again the stereotypes are proven to exist.. :(

[Gregx]

Anyone bitching about this needs to just go outside, and get a life. Try to get laid. Anything!

You people make all of us who collect comics look bad.

[Wellness]

Dear Ed Brubaker,
Please kill Colbert now. If possible, something involving rabid schnauzers hopped up on herbal viagra seems appropriate.
Thank you very much.

You UN-American, servant of UN-truthfiness.

[jniffen]

In the hazy mists of my memory I recall an origin of the shield on the old Captain America cartoon (As in "When Captain America Throws his mighty shieeeeeld...") where the metal was described as coming from a meteor. Anyone else recall that? Or is it just me being insane again?

Does it F**king matter?!!! IT'S A COMIC BOOK!! It is there for entertainment, pure and simple. Would I rather that they give Cap's shield to someone that's going to use it as a bedpan, or perhaps toss it in the trash, or use it to hold their nachos on Super Bowl night, or perhaps give it to someone who will put it in a place of honor, like on a mantle on the set of a very popular show, where it will get noticed by millions? I think I'll go with the latter.

This is why people make fun of comic book nerds. The most important things in the world to some of you is that Marvel gave Cap's shield to a comedian, and that it's such a "huge trespass" on the dignity of the shield, or the person whose office it used to sit in. Let it go. It's a great marketing strategy, bottom line.

[ThomasC22]

Anyone bitching about this needs to just go outside, and get a life. Try to get laid. Anything!

You people make all of us who collect comics look bad.

Here here Matt. I can't believe how people get this worked up over something like this.. Once again the stereotypes are proven to exist..

For the record, the real stereotype against Comic fans is that they are immature. So I'd ask you both this, is there anything more immature than insulting someone you disagree with?

Being upset about something and expressing that isn't a sign of immaturity. Immaturity requires the expression cross a line into some kind of unacceptable behavior (like insults, crying, physical violence, etc...)

So really, which side of this argument is being immature?

[RDuarte]

So really, which side of this argument is being immature?

Your Momma!

Sorry, I couldn't resist... :D

[Broo715]

Why are people so up in arms about the shield? It's not like that was the only one in existence.

Years ago, they marketed a limited edition prop replica of Cap's Shield. It was available to anyone. I'm sure the Marvel offices have one or two in their posession.

[Spider-Man]

So you're saying it wasn't? That no one checked? You know this how?

I'd pay real money to see conclusions stop being jumped to, and the opinions of dead people being assigned by individuals who never even knew them... (not to mention people apparently putting curses and calling hoodoo on others becuase they made a decision they didn't agree upon...I thought I was typing on a computer in the 21st century, but apparently, I'm writing on a tree in the forest in the 16th.)

MattB

Wow. Every time you post, I wonder: will you sleep at night if someone, just one person, DOESN'T see things the way you do?

I'd wager good cash that I am quite right about Marvel and the shield, and about my take on you. You're going to get an ulcer if you keep overreacting to people who choose to have their own opinions.

Spidey

[MattBrady]

For the record, the real stereotype against Comic fans is that they are immature. not really. To start laying out stereotypes laid against comic fans is the path of madness, but immaturity is only <i>one</i> of them. There's the anti-social thing, the hygiene thing, the caring about fictional characters more than real people thing, the obsessive compulsive thing, and loads more.

But you just made a textbook perfect strawman argument.

MattB

[Vic Mackey]

Some on crying about someone doing something they don't like. Immature.
Someone calling someone else a dumbas s for crying about it. Not immature, just stating the obvious.

[MattBrady]

Wow. Every time you post, I wonder: will you sleep at night if someone, just one person, DOESN'T see things the way you do?

I'd wager good cash that I am quite right about Marvel and the shield, and about my take on you. You're going to get an ulcer if you keep overreacting to people who choose to have their own opinions.

Spidey Dude - see the above post about the irony. At this point there have been hundreds of posts that I don't agree with at all, on any aspect of this story. But yet, according to you, I "overreact" to people who have their own opinions. Can we spare the persecution complex? The thousands upon thousands of posts on this board stand in stark opposition to your premise that I apparently, get upset when people post their views. I'll admit, I do have a thing for opinions which are based on fallacies or made up whole cloth from the individual's view, and then purported to be the truth - a character flaw, probably, just like my desire to <i>not</i> see entire threads derailed by people who are expressing their view of reality as the <I>truth</I>.

And how were you right about the shield, which was given to Brevoort for him to do with as he chose? I'm not seeing that one at all...are you saying it was stolen from Gruenwald, or that in the 12 years since his death, his wife, who was fine with leaving it in Marvel's care, was wonr/lying/not being truthful about it? What?

MattB

[RDuarte]

Wow. Every time you post, I wonder: will you sleep at night if someone, just one person, DOESN'T see things the way you do?

I'd wager good cash that I am quite right about Marvel and the shield, and about my take on you. You're going to get an ulcer if you keep overreacting to people who choose to have their own opinions.

Spidey

And your going to get an ulcer if you keep coming back to these boards just to say "nuh-uh" every time someone says "uh-huh."

These are Matt's boards. He can ask anyone here to behave anyway he wants. If someone doesn't like it, I'm sure they can find a hundred more comic message boards to suit their needs/behavior. Free speech doesn't guarantee anyone a free ACCESS to speech. So long as Matt owns the website, Matt can tell us how to behave.

And for the record, all Matt was trying to do is calm everyone down. A simple, "Keep it civil, don't insult others, and don't jump to conclusions." Why is that so hard for anyone to grasp?

[soulsonic]

not really. To start laying out stereotypes laid against comic fans is the path of madness, but immaturity is only <i>one</i> of them. There's the anti-social thing, the hygiene thing, the caring about fictional characters more than real people thing, the obsessive compulsive thing, and loads more.

But you just made a textbook perfect strawman argument.

MattB


what have you heard about my hygiene?

[ThomasC22]

not really. To start laying out stereotypes laid against comic fans is the path of madness, but immaturity is only <i>one</i> of them. There's the anti-social thing, the hygiene thing, the caring about fictional characters more than real people thing, the obsessive compulsive thing, and loads more.

But you just made a textbook perfect strawman argument.


Well...no...here's the thing. Poor hygiene, being anti-social, etc... all signs of...wait for it...immaturity. Because the definition of maturity is "adulthood: the period of time in your life after your physical growth has stopped and you are fully developed " so any lack of development either in one's hygiene or one's social graces or one's whatever would be arrested development and therefore be a sign of immaturity.

So what I said isn't a strawman argument.

As far as caring too much about fictional characters, there are two things here. First, just from my perspective, I think this is disrespectful to Mark Gruenwald who was not fictional. Second, on "caring too much" that is hard to define. The people who have expressed an opinion (which I don't fully agree with by the way) here have done nothing more than post a response on a Comic message board and I'm not sure that constitutes "too much".

In the late 1800s Sir Arthur Conan Doyle received up to 10 death threats a day for killing off Sherlock Holmes so as the scale goes the people in this thread have been pretty calm.

Why are people so up in arms about the shield? It's not like that was the only one in existence.

Years ago, they marketed a limited edition prop replica of Cap's Shield. It was available to anyone. I'm sure the Marvel offices have one or two in their posession.

I think you need to read the article a little better. From above...

According to Brevoort, the shield was acquired by Gruenwald, who either commissioned it or received it as a gift from a fan costumer in the early 1980s.

"It was one of two shields that Mark had, the other being the 'cursed' shield—so named because, after Mark’s passing, anybody who possessed it would get fired shortly thereafter," Brevoort told Newsarama. "That 'cursed' shield is long gone at this point."

[MattBrady]

what have you heard about my hygiene?far to much. soap is not the enemy, my friend.

MattB

[Spider-Man]

Outside of CBR, I have never visited an online forum whose moderators take so seriously the "task" of making certain other people don't take other things seriously.

This is of course ludicrous. Just as is whining and crying just because we don't all see things the way the "big time" folks who run a "big time" comic news site do.

And you know what? I've read comics all my life, they're important to me as both entertainment and art, I hope to one day work in the field, and I am a HUGE fan. My friends and family know it and I'm proud of what I love. But I'll be the first person to tell anyone that none of these characters are real in the sense that any of us here are.

At the same time, this egotistical, superior attitude that some people have here of bashing fans because they care about these characters is disgusting. These character, fictional though they are, mean something to us, and always will. We know they're not real, but they inhabit a real part of us, and no one has the right to tell us that's wrong or foolish.

Spidey

[Spider-Man]

And your going to get an ulcer if you keep coming back to these boards just to say "nuh-uh" every time someone says "uh-huh."

These are Matt's boards. He can ask anyone here to behave anyway he wants. If someone doesn't like it, I'm sure they can find a hundred more comic message boards to suit their needs/behavior. Free speech doesn't guarantee anyone a free ACCESS to speech. So long as Matt owns the website, Matt can tell us how to behave.

And for the record, all Matt was trying to do is calm everyone down. A simple, "Keep it civil, don't insult others, and don't jump to conclusions." Why is that so hard for anyone to grasp?

Thanks, Sayid. I am sufficiently learned.

But seriously, Matt, if I had my own boards and got as irate as I've seen you, well...let's just say I'd need to keep a BP monitor in my desk drawer.

Spidey

[MattBrady]

We know they're not real, but they inhabit a real part of us, and no one has the right to tell us that's wrong or foolish.I completely agree, but I do have the right to ask anyone to curb your behavior when they are making assumptions and claims, and positing them as truths when in fact, they have zero factual basis.

This is of course ludicrous. Just as is whining and crying just because we don't all see things the way the "big time" folks who run a "big time" comic news site do. okay - see, now I'm convinced you're just not reading anything I'm writing here...in my last two responses on this thread, I've driven holes through this idea. Big holes. It doesn't hold up.

MattB

[MattBrady]

But seriously, Matt, if I had my own boards and got as irate as I've seen you, well...let's just say I'd need to keep a BP monitor in my desk drawer.after doing this as long as I've been doing it, this kind of thing barely wakes me up.

MattB

[soulsonic]

far to much. soap is not the enemy, my friend.

MattB

"Of course you realize, 'DIS means war!" :p

[protonik]

Dear Ed Brubaker,
Please kill Colbert now. If possible, something involving rabid schnauzers hopped up on herbal viagra seems appropriate.
Thank you very much.

SOMEBODY doesn't know that Colbert's archnemesi are BEARS.

[RTommyB216]

Well...no...here's the thing. Poor hygiene, being anti-social, etc... all signs of...wait for it...immaturity. Because the definition of maturity is "adulthood: the period of time in your life after your physical growth has stopped and you are fully developed " so any lack of development either in one's hygiene or one's social graces or one's whatever would be arrested development and therefore be a sign of immaturity.

In the late 1800s Sir Arthur Conan Doyle received up to 10 death threats a day for killing off Sherlock Holmes so as the scale goes the people in this thread have been pretty calm.

Really grasping at straws, man. Hygiene, either way, isn't a result of maturity. Little kids can take showers. Also, by these standards, Galileo was executed for a book he wrote and belief he had, so I guess we've been pretty calm.

[Violent Gorilla]

I hate fanboys so much.

This thread and the one yesterday just cement that.

How they can take something like this that's just lighthearted fun and turn it into something terrible, I can never know. Such fufilling lives you idiots must lead.

[MattBrady]

stop with the namecalling

MattB

[AirDave817]

Pretty cool segment of The Colber' Repor'!
I'm jealous! I want my very own Wakandan Adamantium Shield!

[Zechs]

I wonder what became of the cursed your fried Capt shield?

[si, rodrigo]

For the record, the real stereotype against Comic fans is that they are immature. So I'd ask you both this, is there anything more immature than insulting someone you disagree with?

Being upset about something and expressing that isn't a sign of immaturity. Immaturity requires the expression cross a line into some kind of unacceptable behavior (like insults, crying, physical violence, etc...)

So really, which side of this argument is being immature?

Uhh I think the real stereotype is that comic book readers are balding, near sighted overweight 40 something readers who live in their parent's basement and go online to complain about anything and everything.

Complaining about a JOKE insulting the memory of a fictional character's death. Complaining about how a prop should have been given to someone else. Complaining about how they are called whiny fanboys for complaining. Complaining about not being able to complain.

[MattBrady]

I wonder what became of the cursed your fried Capt shield? Bill Jemas thought it looked really nice in his office after the staff gave it to him as a gift...and then... :)

I keed, I keed.

I don't know what happened to it, but I've seen more than a few over the years.

MattB

[Tophat]

Some where some place the Red skull is weting his pants :D

[OM]

...The origin of that shield, according to Gru at a con appearance a couple of years before he passed on, was that it was a prop made by a fan costumer. He also said it was a really good prop job, but did admit that it was a bit smaller than Cap's shield was in "real life". Of course, the real question he couldn't answer at the time was where the TV Series shield - that transparent one that doubled as the windshield for his bike - disappeared to. The bike itself got recycled and remodded into some other Sci-Fi bike, but the shield has long since disappeared.

stop with the namecalling...Awww. Once again, Matty becomes a party pooper! :p :p

[iyamwhatiyam]

For the record, the real stereotype against Comic fans is that they are immature. So I'd ask you both this, is there anything more immature than insulting someone you disagree with?

Being upset about something and expressing that isn't a sign of immaturity. Immaturity requires the expression cross a line into some kind of unacceptable behavior (like insults, crying, physical violence, etc...)

So really, which side of this argument is being immature?

Your side. No doubts about it. The shield going to Colbert is a pleasant lark that does no one any harm. It's good for Colbert, a comic genius and an honest-to-God patriot, and it's good for Marvel. And it made most comics fans laugh.

Quit trying to twist the conversation into who says what. The bottom line is that the people whining that this somehow is disrespect on the part of Marvel are INSANE.

Again, get off your computer, go outside and chill the hell out.

[iyamwhatiyam]

Wow. Every time you post, I wonder: will you sleep at night if someone, just one person, DOESN'T see things the way you do?

I'd wager good cash that I am quite right about Marvel and the shield, and about my take on you. You're going to get an ulcer if you keep overreacting to people who choose to have their own opinions.

Spidey
He's reacting to people who insult friends of his without having any basis for doing it. Do you just take that kind of thing in stride? If you do, I'm guessing you don't have many friends. If you don't, stop being a hypocrite.

[iyamwhatiyam]

no one has the right to tell us that's wrong or foolish.

Spidey

EVERYONE has a right to tell you what's wrong or foolish. You just don't have to stick around to listen to it.

[OM]

EVERYONE has a right to tell you what's wrong or foolish. You just don't have to stick around to listen to it....But on the other hand, proving them wrong and/or busting their nose as a lesson to keep said out of your business can, in many cases, be ultimately far more rewarding than those who claim revenge is petty and childish would care for us to know.

Definition of High Moral Ground: Someplace you stand in defiance and hope that whoever's about to beat the living s'hit out of you will be conbefuddled and bamfoozled into believing that they did something wrong after all, and is no guarantee that the beating will not take place, much less be lessened in severity.

[gwangung]

For the record, the real stereotype against Comic fans is that they are immature. So I'd ask you both this, is there anything more immature than insulting someone you disagree with?

I dunno; Ann Coulter and Rush Limbaugh are making a good living doing that. Apparently a good segment of the American public sees nothing wrong with that.

And....Don Rickles.:D

[Arsenal3]

This thread is pure black comedy.

Anyway, was this move disrespectful to the memory of Mark Gruenwald? Why don't we leave that determiniation to the people who... um... actually knew him... and worked with him and stuff?

[Tophat]

I hate fanboys so much.

This thread and the one yesterday just cement that.

How they can take something like this that's just lighthearted fun and turn it into something terrible, I can never know. Such fufilling lives you idiots must lead.


I am fan boy I have no doubt about it and I do have fare share of complaints about marvel but. I have agree with Violent Gorilla

It was jsut joke it was funny joke. I think people have over reacted.

Just my two cents

[geek4x4]

http://comicsradar.com/images/stopcolbert.jpg

[Heffaloo]

Well...no...here's the thing. Poor hygiene, being anti-social, etc... all signs of...wait for it...immaturity. Because the definition of maturity is "adulthood: the period of time in your life after your physical growth has stopped and you are fully developed " so any lack of development either in one's hygiene or one's social graces or one's whatever would be arrested development and therefore be a sign of immaturity.

So what I said isn't a strawman argument.


Well, yes it is. You didn't discuss the points they brought up, you just commented on how mature they were failing to be. That is a strawman argument. Just because your points were valid does not make them pertinent.

[Nate-Earth 2]

I think its kind of goofy, how in every single thread, there's someone saying "get a life, nerds" or something along those lines, on a comic book forum, no less. While at the same time, i do think theres some kind of limit to the amount of emotion you can have tied up in a fictional character. Do i care that they killed Cap? Of course, i've always liked steve rogers more than "cap" actually, and it makes me a little sad. But, at the same time, i can say "they killed cap" as opposed to "he was killed". I don't know. When i read the "wakandian Sheild" thing on the original article, i said to myself "hmm...i thought it was adamantium, maybe they retconned that" and that was pretty much as far as the thought went. But, in the same vein, i wouldn't denounce those that would get testy on the subject; it's just something that matters to them more. Being more of a DC guy, honestly, i can't say i wouldn't get a tad upset if something concerning Green Lantern was stated incorrectly in the mainstream media. Its all perspective, i guess. I just think its kind of funny to read a statement saying "what fulfilling lives you idiots must lead" from someone who obviously scrolled through like 4 pages of "idiotic" comments to post that.

[jniffen]

Does anybody remember what this was all about, or has it all reverted to bitch fests and maturity level testing? Just curious.

[ThomasC22]

Really grasping at straws, man. Hygiene, either way, isn't a result of maturity. Little kids can take showers. Also, by these standards, Galileo was executed for a book he wrote and belief he had, so I guess we've been pretty calm.

Yes it is. Children mature and as they do they realize they have to do things they might not want to do because it is expected of them such as...wait for it...cleaning themselves. It is a very early sign of maturity but its still is a sign of it.

Your side. No doubts about it. The shield going to Colbert is a pleasant lark that does no one any harm. It's good for Colbert, a comic genius and an honest-to-God patriot, and it's good for Marvel. And it made most comics fans laugh.


Well, in all fairness, "does no one you personally care about any harm" is a more accurate description of what is going on here. By the way, on a side note, its a little immature to call people insane (which is name calling) even after the owner of the board has asked you kindly not to. Just sayin'

Well, yes it is. You didn't discuss the points they brought up, you just commented on how mature they were failing to be. That is a strawman argument. Just because your points were valid does not make them pertinent.


The really didn't bring up any points other than to say people who have a problem with this are stupid. I would ask this of anyone in this thread, give me specific points as to why it is wrong for someone to be upset by this. Not "shut up fanboys" but actual, logical points.

If someone can do that I'd be happy to refute those points.

[RDuarte]

http://comicsradar.com/images/stopcolbert.jpg

He obviously meant to say "fight AGAINST injustice," or "fight for JUSTICE." Considering he is able to interview everyone including authors, inventors, politicians, scientists, and celebrities, and never stumble, stutter, and always with a smart answer (due to years of improv), he gets a pass for flubbing one line. In fact in all the history of Colbert on TV, I only know of two clips where he loses it. Both times, he messes up because Jon Stewart laughed out loud (when he shouldn't have).

Colbert Laughs During "Prince Charles Gay?" Segment. (http://www.massdestraction.com/1984-Funny_Corbert_Report.html)

Colbert Laughs During JFK-Cronkite Spoof. (http://onegoodmove.org/1gm/1gmarchive/2007/02/an_exclusive.html)

And if that isn't good enough, he also gave a 20 minute presentation at the White House Correspondent's Dinner (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-869183917758574879&q=colbert+white+house+correspondents&hl=en) (a few feet away from the President) while satirizing both the Administration and the Correspondents. He always keeps it cool under pressure.

Again, he should get a pass for one little screw-up.

Edit: Not to mention, he's going to use the shield to pick up chicks. Hell, we'd all do that if we were in the MU.

[MattBrady]

I would ask this of anyone in this thread, give me specific points as to why it is wrong for someone to be upset by this. Not "shut up fanboys" but actual, logical points.

If someone can do that I'd be happy to refute those points.Again, I think you're making up things to argue against. Very few, if anyone has said anything about people being "wrong" to be upset by this.

There have been those that were ridiculed for being <i>as</i> upset about it as they were, and my faves - folks assigning opinions to the dead (that amazingly are the same as theirs), putting out their opinions as facts without any basis, and calling down curses on those who did something they disagree with.

That's what it boils down to, mostly.

MattB

[jmyoung]

Does it F**king matter?!!! IT'S A COMIC BOOK!! It is there for entertainment, pure and simple. Would I rather that they give Cap's shield to someone that's going to use it as a bedpan, or perhaps toss it in the trash, or use it to hold their nachos on Super Bowl night, or perhaps give it to someone who will put it in a place of honor, like on a mantle on the set of a very popular show, where it will get noticed by millions? I think I'll go with the latter.

This is why people make fun of comic book nerds. The most important things in the world to some of you is that Marvel gave Cap's shield to a comedian, and that it's such a "huge trespass" on the dignity of the shield, or the person whose office it used to sit in. Let it go. It's a great marketing strategy, bottom line.

I think you responded to the wrong guy's post.

[spiderrob8]

for the record, since I brought up Mrs. Gruenwald, I didn't mean they never checked with her, i just meant it would be nice if they had at some point. For all i know, she didn't care at all about the prop-her husband may have had many and it was his hobby/job. Considering it's been there for years, I guess she didn't.

It might have been nice to keep at the office. But Mark Gruenwald seemed like a guy who liked to have a lot of fun with comics. I doubt he would have liked many of the recent things Marvel has done, being an old school guy who seemed to revere Marvels history, but he would have liked the publicity, and Colbert's take on it, I suspect

[RDuarte]

Mark Gruenwald seemed like a guy who liked to have a lot of fun with comics. I doubt he would have liked many of the recent things Marvel has done, being an old school guy who seemed to revere Marvels history, but he would have liked the publicity, and Colbert's take on it, I suspect

I don't want to presume anything about Mark Gruenwald. I didn't know him. But the one thing I remember was that everyone said he had a great sense of humor. When he died, Marvel did one of those tributes in the Bullpen. Everyone mentioned some of the crazy things he would do around the office. I remember reading that his wake was a celebration of his life and his sense of humor, including a "21 whoopie cushion salute." I don't know how he would feel about his shield being given away, but I think he would get any joke, no matter how good or bad, small or large.

[RedRonin]

Why exactly are people complaining? This is just suppose to be fun.

[DrBat]

Wasn't the joke supposed to have been that the shield had gone missing, and it looked like Colbert had stolen it (http://www.comicbookresources.com/news/newsitem.cgi?id=9953)? So why is it here that Cap left it in his will for Colbert?

[iyamwhatiyam]

I doubt he would have liked many of the recent things Marvel has done, being an old school guy who seemed to revere Marvels history, but he would have liked the publicity, and Colbert's take on it, I suspect

Gruenwald killed off a fair share of characters in his own writing for dramatic effect. I don't think he would have had a problem with Civil War at all. I'd say that as a story CW owes quite a bit to Mark's Squadron Supreme series.

[trapper32]

Without a doubt, an excellent move by Marvel. Colbert caters to the 25-40 demo. This is great exposure. There's a reason Ben & Jerry named an ice-cream after him. The Colbert Train is steam-rolling up the ratings and corporations are taking notice. His success can be attributed to his devoted online following. What he says is gospel to a lot people. Sad? Yes. But d*mmit, he's entertaining.

Better than that hack Stewart, whose show has gotten old and needs to go.

[Dark Light]

I get it now, It's not the Punisher who replaces Rogers, It's Colbert!

[ThomasC22]

Without a doubt, an excellent move by Marvel. Colbert caters to the 25-40 demo. This is great exposure. There's a reason Ben & Jerry named an ice-cream after him. The Colbert Train is steam-rolling up the ratings and corporations are taking notice. His success can be attributed to his devoted online following. What he says is gospel to a lot people. Sad? Yes. But d*mmit, he's entertaining.

Better than that hack Stewart, whose show has gotten old and needs to go.

For the record, Stewart still draws more viewers than Colbert both overall and in the Key Demo (18-49). Stewart averages 1.6 million while Colbert averages 1.2 (which is down from its high of 1.5m last year)

Still great exposure for Marvel but it isn't like he's the best horse in town or anything.

Ironically, just a week ago Fox News announced that its new "The 1/2 Hour New Hour" (which is a conservative knock-off of the liberal daily show) had 1.4 million views in its debut so even that did better than Colbert's show.

[CodeGuy]

Ironically, just a week ago Fox News announced that its new "The 1/2 Hour New Hour" (which is a conservative knock-off of the liberal daily show) had 1.4 million views in its debut so even that did better than Colbert's show.

Well, a debut vs. an average isn't the best comparison.

[siren3-4]

For the record, Stewart still draws more viewers than Colbert both overall and in the Key Demo (18-49). Stewart averages 1.6 million while Colbert averages 1.2 (which is down from its high of 1.5m last year)

Still great exposure for Marvel but it isn't like he's the best horse in town or anything.

Ironically, just a week ago Fox News announced that its new "The 1/2 Hour New Hour" (which is a conservative knock-off of the liberal daily show) had 1.4 million views in its debut so even that did better than Colbert's show.

Why would you trust anything FOX reports . . :D

[jmcl89]

For the record, Stewart still draws more viewers than Colbert both overall and in the Key Demo (18-49). Stewart averages 1.6 million while Colbert averages 1.2 (which is down from its high of 1.5m last year).

I think when you have two similar shows, and one airs at 11PM and the other at 11:30, it would be pretty unusual for the later one to get better ratings.

[Bullet_Train]

i thought caps shield was made of adamantium ??!!?!

and leave it to marvel to turn the "death" of their moral center into a joke.....

Yes, we should NEVER turn the death of fictional characters into a joke...Im still wearing black and will continue to wear black every wednesday until Steven Rogers is WRITTEN back to life...

[XtremeX]

Wasn't the joke supposed to have been that the shield had gone missing, and it looked like Colbert had stolen it (http://www.comicbookresources.com/news/newsitem.cgi?id=9953)? So why is it here that Cap left it in his will for Colbert?

"because like Cap still being alive, the will was a lie... it's just meant to shut people up."


:D

[Gregx]

Yes, we should NEVER turn the death of fictional characters into a joke...Im still wearing black and will continue to wear black every wednesday until Steven Rogers is WRITTEN back to life...

I'll assume you're joking.

[DaVeO]

Without a doubt, an excellent move by Marvel. Colbert caters to the 25-40 demo. This is great exposure. There's a reason Ben & Jerry named an ice-cream after him. The Colbert Train is steam-rolling up the ratings and corporations are taking notice. His success can be attributed to his devoted online following. What he says is gospel to a lot people. Sad? Yes. But d*mmit, he's entertaining.

Better than that hack Stewart, whose show has gotten old and needs to go.

So now your calling John Stewart a hack? Why did he deserve that?

[WineLoverBub]

All I know is that Joe Quesada and Steven Colbert just need to meet up in motel room and have at it with each other.

It's apparent that they love each other A LOT!

[Enigma20XX]

In my opinion, this is the only enjoyment I was able to get out of the whole Civil War/Captain America #25 mess!

[Enigma20XX]

So now your calling John Stewart a hack? Why did he deserve that?

Yes... while I may not agree 100% with his political views... the man IS good at making you laugh... and isn't that the real important thing?

[The Spirit]

:eek:

Colbert is the new Cap!?

[Pack]

I can't believe no one posted this yet (although someone came close..) but everyone sing along now....


When Stephen Colbert throws his mighty shield,
All those who chose to oppose his shield must yield...

[Pack]

Oh, yeah, one other thing:

It's really hard to disagree that Colbert is no worse a Cap than Reb Brown or Matt Salinger...

[JLAJRC]

The BIGGER question is why would Cap will his shield to someone who called him a "traitor." You would think he would give it to Jon Stewart instead. Colbert would probably want Iron Man's helmet instead. :D

[DarkJared]

I'll start by saying I don't like Joe Q...

But he's doing wonders for the industry lately. Joe Q is giving us something we haven't had in a while and that's a larger than life character of a EIC. he may not be the creative wonder that Stan Lee was but he has that growing persona (like it or not) that is attracting attention to the medium from outside.

Civil War
Stephen King's Dark Tower and more upcoming
Death of Captain America

- all this and more appearing only recently in mainstream media and in circles that would have previously mocked comics as an art or literary form.

Interest is growing in comics since he became EIC. Sales numbers show that. The North American industry has broadenned it's market by offerinf manga and romance comics and now adaptations of respected and award winning writers' works.

And now attaching his line of books to the Colbert Report (like or not) will likely bring in numbers of new readers or bring back former readers who are now adults.

[Nightfly]

In my opinion, this is the only enjoyment I was able to get out of the whole Civil War/Captain America #25 mess!
agreed <truthiness in effect>

[beta-ray]

Take THAT Sally Floyd!!! :mad:


:p

[beta-ray]

All I know is that Joe Quesada and Steven Colbert just need to meet up in motel room and have at it with each other.

It's apparent that they love each other A LOT!

Oh jealousy is sooo ugly...

[Captain'sLog]

"When Stephen Colbert throws his mighty shield"...:confused:
Hmmmm...doesn't sound right, really...:p :D

[c_andrew_s]

I loved it! It was really fun.

Good job to all!

[CGazillions]

"When Stephen Colbert throws his mighty shield"...:confused:
Hmmmm...doesn't sound right, really...:p :D

It will never sound right except in the hands of the right man, Captain America! ( Ok Weird I just had a flashback to that awfully fun arcade game "The avengers" and hearing over and over "Captain America!") Stephen Colbert might make a better "Typeface"

Ed

www.comicsgazillions.com

[Pack]

It will never sound right except in the hands of the right man, Captain America! ( Ok Weird I just had a flashback to that awfully fun arcade game "The avengers" and hearing over and over "Captain America!") Stephen Colbert might make a better "Typeface"

Ed

www.comicsgazillions.com

"America still needs your help... GOOOOOOOOOOOO!"

[CGazillions]

"America still needs your help... GOOOOOOOOOOOO!"

muahahahh nooooo stop please.

Ed

www.comicsgazillions.com

[vbartilucci]

Does it F**king matter?!!! IT'S A COMIC BOOK!! It is there for entertainment, pure and simple. Would I rather that they give Cap's shield to someone that's going to use it as a bedpan, or perhaps toss it in the trash, or use it to hold their nachos on Super Bowl night, or perhaps give it to someone who will put it in a place of honor, like on a mantle on the set of a very popular show, where it will get noticed by millions? I think I'll go with the latter.

This is why people make fun of comic book nerds. The most important things in the world to some of you is that Marvel gave Cap's shield to a comedian, and that it's such a "huge trespass" on the dignity of the shield, or the person whose office it used to sit in. Let it go. It's a great marketing strategy, bottom line.
Um...Did you mean to rip someone else a new one? I was arguing about the elemental components of Cap's shield, not adding to some pointless debate over who gets possession of a mere replica.

[MordWa]

Well, we know Stephen "Captain Truthiness" Colbert has a myspace page -

BUT DOES HE WATCH NASCAR?!

That's all *I* want in a Cap...



My one question remaining:

Does this make Jon Stewart ... the new "Bucky"?

[zenith16]

Why are Marvel sucking up so much to Colbert? The shield should stay in the Marvel offices. If only Cap were still around...

Anyway, on "The Word" segment Joe Quesada seems so proud of Colbert was saying exactly the same stuff all the Civil War detractors have been saying! "Pick a side Wolverine!" Except we're called "200 whiny fanboys", but when it gets said on TV Quesada's rushing to kiss his ass.


watch this video in full and you'll see why.
http://www.cbc.ca/thehour/videos/thumbnails/20061115_mesley.jpg[/center]

http://www.cbc.ca/mrl3/30569/thehour/videos/20061115_mesley.wmv

and this on the Colbert reports show..
The Colbert Report
Morley Safer talks to Stephen Colbert, the "fake news" reporter whose Comedy Central program is making waves. Sunday at 7 p.m. ET/PT.

http://www.cbsnews.com/sections/i_video/main500251.shtml?id=1558063n
and here way more here.
http://www.cbsnews.com/sections/i_video/main500251.shtml?id=1009917n

and way more in here.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/04/27/60minutes/main1553506.shtml?source=search_story



plus he helped give them media attention. on tv. which other's shows don't give much of a damn to do so. and more people wach show like and the daily show then those other's that wouldn't give marvel the time of day or would have them rushed off.

[AntManArmy]

Previously loud fanboys on the internet proclaimed themselves as the sole protectors of fictional superheroes. Now they are proclaiming themelves the sole protectors of friggin' props. Way to accept new responsibilities.

[shizumadrive]

"It was one of two shields that Mark had, the other being the 'cursed' shield—so named because, after Mark’s passing, anybody who possessed it would get fired shortly thereafter," Brevoort told Newsarama. "That 'cursed' shield is long gone at this point."

.


Dammit you morons at marvel gave the cursed shield to Captain America!

[RDuarte]

watch this video in full and you'll see why.
http://www.cbc.ca/thehour/videos/thumbnails/20061115_mesley.jpg[/center]

http://www.cbc.ca/mrl3/30569/thehour/videos/20061115_mesley.wmv

and this on the Colbert reports show..
The Colbert Report
Morley Safer talks to Stephen Colbert, the "fake news" reporter whose Comedy Central program is making waves. Sunday at 7 p.m. ET/PT.

http://www.cbsnews.com/sections/i_video/main500251.shtml?id=1558063n
and here way more here.
http://www.cbsnews.com/sections/i_video/main500251.shtml?id=1009917n

and way more in here.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/04/27/60minutes/main1553506.shtml?source=search_story



plus he helped give them media attention. on tv. which other's shows don't give much of a damn to do so. and more people wach show like and the daily show then those other's that wouldn't give marvel the time of day or would have them rushed off.\

Here's the whole 60 Minutes Interview, in case anyone wanted to see it. It's very insightful. (http://onegoodmove.org/1gm/1gmarchive/2006/05/stephen_colbert_4.html)

[Avantre]

So, watching the next Colbert episode, I saw that the shield is at least half-visible on the wall, in wide-shots (not tight-shots) when Colbert's facing the camera to his right. And it is fairly visually striking, so people will often spot it when they change to that camera angle. So it seems like a decent investment - free continuous advertising for giving away a twenty+-year old prop.

(And the market share is more than just American viewers - I'm watching the Colbert show on Australian cable).

[coy_dog0]

Its too bad that man that stood for the ideals of the US has only really gained mainstream media attention because of a cheap publicity stunt.

Here's a tribute to the Cap:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=OETuLwljXuo

[Doubleshot]

Colbert's Red White and Blue balls!

HA!!!

[The Creeper]

"Red, white, and blue balls."


Nice.

[trapper32]

So now your calling John Stewart a hack? Why did he deserve that?

Okay okay... "hack" may have been a little strong. I just think his act is getting old. He dislikes Bush...a lot; we get it.

PS - I love the quote. Izzard is the most original comic to hit the stage in our generation. You should check out his new show on FX, "The Riches". His accent is a bit off, but it'll get better.

"Hoocha hoocha hoocha... Lobster."

[Erwin Rafael]

Its too bad that man that stood for the ideals of the US has only really gained mainstream media attention because of a cheap publicity stunt.


cheap publicity stunt?

the comic was well-written and well-drawn. that's not a cheap publicity stunt.

[Willowhugger]

Funny idea.

Tony Stark stole the shield and forged a letter to get it into Colbert's hands!

;-)