CAPTAIN AMERICA: THE FALLOUT - DAY 2

[MattBrady]

<img src="http://www.newsarama.com/marvelnew/CapAmerica/DDream/CAPA025_dc_t.jpg" border="0" align="right"><b>SPOILERS FOR CAPTAIN AMERICA #25</b>

Day two of the “America in Crisis: The Death of Captain America” national media blitz continued Thursday, with more major news outlets picking up the story. Marvel’s Joe Quesada and Dan Buckley are still in high demand for interviews, with sources at Marvel telling Newsarama that virtually every major media outlet has produced video packages about the event with interviews of the two which will be run throughout the coming weekend on the news channels and elsewhere.

And while it may seem as if everyone with an opinion on the matter has weighed in, and tonight on Comedy Central’s <i>The Colbert Report</i>, Stephen Colbert, the most patriotic man in America, perhaps the universe, will feature the death of Captain America in his “THE WØRD” segment. <I>The Colbert Report</i> airs at 11:30 pm, following <i>The Daily Show</i> on Comedy Central. “THE WØRD” is usually uploaded to the show’s <a href=http://www.comedycentral.com/shows/the_colbert_report/index.jhtml>website</a>.

In a sampling of today’s media coverage of the issue…

<a href=http://www.nytimes.com/2007/03/08/books/08capt.html?_r=1&oref=slogin>George Gene Gustines covers the death for the <i>New York Times</i>, and includes a shout out to Newsarama</a>

<a href=http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=7770294>NPR devoted nearly three minutes to it this morning</a>

<a href=http://www.cleveland.com/plaindealer/stories/index.ssf?/base/entertainment/1173357151111730.xml&coll=2>Newsarama’s Mike Sangiacomo covers it for <i>The Cleveland Plain Dealer</i></a>

<a href=http://www.cleveland.com/plaindealer/stories/index.ssf?/base/entertainment/1173357151111730.xml&coll=2>eonline says “Dead, Shmead”</a> (no, really, they do).

<a href=http://www.theconservativevoice.com/article/23328.html>Michael John McCrae goes some strange places in The Conservative Voice</a>

<a href=http://www.huffingtonpost.com/ari-emanuel/did-bush-and-cheney-kill-_b_42967.html>And equally odd, Ari Emanuel asks is Bush and Cheny killed Captain America</a>

<a href=http://enterprise.southofboston.com/articles/2007/03/08/news/news/news05.txt>People are upset in Boston</a>

Oh, and Newsarama’s own Matt Brady will be talking about it with BBC Radio Five Live at 8:15 or so EST, which makes it…er…1:15 am, if it’s live, so if you’re on your way home from a bar, tune in. If it's held for the early am, we apologize for starting your day off that way.

Back on the sales side of things, Marvel’s Senior VP of sales David Gabriel is also having a busy day today, as Marvel is also contending with the direct market retail response, as many of the nation’s comic book stores were caught by surprise by the developments in <b>Captain America #25</b> and the skyrocketing demand for the issue the media attention has caused.

Gabriel addressed retail concerns in Diamond’s direct communication with retailers, <i>Diamond Daily</i>, saying:

<i>“While Marvel regrets having to withhold any solicitation information from retailers, we had no choice,” said Marvel Comics Senior Vice President of Sales David Gabriel. “The media would never have picked up the story unless it was an absolute secret... so we had no choice. Instead, we made sure to have the healthiest overprint ready to fill reorders for as long as possible.”

To ensure maximum exposure in the media, secrecy about Captain America’s fate had to be ironclad. Many retailers were understandably caught off-guard by the surprising developments of <b>Captain America #25</b>, resulting in rapid sell-outs at the retail level and quickly escalating prices in the aftermarket. However, as Gabriel stated, a significant overprint of this hot issue is now being shipped to Diamond, which will fill <u>all</u> backorders placed as of press time. Marvel fully supports the specialty market, and appreciates storeowners’ patience in this unusual circumstance. </I>

According to Marvel, overprints should hit stores next Wednesday.

Diamond has contacted retailers directly with the message:

<i>In response to retailer and consumer demand for Marvel Comics’ landmark CAPTAIN AMERICA #25 (DEC062304D) — which has rapidly sold out in many locations — Diamond wishes to announce that a massive overprint of CAPTAIN AMERICA #25 will be available at its Memphis Star System hub on FRIDAY EVENING, MARCH 9!

PLEASE NOTE:
If you placed a back order for CAPTAIN AMERICA #25 by noon, EST, on Thursday, March 8, your backorder should fill without difficulty. However, you may convert your backorder to a direct ship reorder by contacting your Diamond Customer Service Representative. YOU MUST REQUEST THIS CONVERSION NO LATER THAN MONDAY, MARCH 12 AT 5:00 P.M. EST. If you do not convert your backorder by this deadline, your backorder will remain in force, and your quantities will arrive with your March 21 shipment.

If you have additional questions regarding the availability of the issue, please contact your Diamond Customer Service Representative.</i>

On an editorial note, in a development sure to further incite the readers still critical of Iron Man’s role/characterization of <b>Civil War</b> and its fallout, Marvel has revealed to retailers via Diamond’s website that it will in fact be Stark who gets to – or tries to - choose the next Captain America.

According to Diamond’s description of Jeph Loeb and John Romita Jr’s <b>Fallen Son: The Death of Captain America – Captain America</b> special, “this pivotal issue features follows Iron Man’s quest to fill the red-white-and-blue uniform with a suitable replacement.”

[RDuarte]

I said it on Blog@ (http://blog.newsarama.com/2007/03/08/o-captain-my-captain/#comments) and I'll say it here:

Captain America Dying ISN'T News Until It's On The Colbert Report!

I think Marvel can now claim: Mission Accomplished!

[mookydo]

Hey...this is still just a comic book, right?

[Ravager]

Interesting, the new Cap is gonna be picked this soon. But Iron Man's choice better not take up the mantle. Its gotta be Bucky.

[durkadurka]

Hey...this is still just a comic book, right?

You are so naive.

[KyleCowstar]

<a href=http://www.theconservativevoice.com/article/23328.html>Michael John McCrae goes some strange places in The Conservative Voice</a>
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What a weirdo.... I think I'm more scared of him than Galactus.

[Fan4Fan]

So, when do the overprints hit the shelves? :confused:

[Fan4Fan]

Interesting, the new Cap is gonna be picked this soon. But Iron Man's choice better not take up the mantle. Its gotta be Bucky.

Something could always... err... happen... to Iron Man's choice... :eek:

[Ironhorse]

I have blind faith on Brubaker, I know he is gonna give us a hell of good stories, and about the resurrection, well it's something that is gonna happen, and I think Steve is going to come back from the dead in the 50th issue, also written by Bru, after all he is THE MAN. Peace.

[Vintage]

Iron Man to choose next Cap?!! That's going to work well.

I can easily see this becoming a battle over who is worthy to carry the mantle. Some upstart fresh from the woods. The Falcon, Cap's former comrade in arms. Patriot, grandson of the original Cap and disciple of Steve Rogers. Justice, son of Isaiah Bradley, who's been underground since The Crew. Or Bucky, aka The Winter Soldier, Cap's onetime sidekick, protege, and one of his closest friends, whose perhaps the best groomed for the role. Anyone's guess at this point. Tony is really the wrong person to be doing this.

Well, looks like I'll be up later than usual to check this out on the Colbert Report.

[MattBrady]

So, when do the overprints hit the shelves? :confused: Just added - next Weds, if all goes to plan.

MattB

[DoctorTom]

Something could always... err... happen... to Iron Man's choice... :eek:

Like a Superboy Punch? Or (given it's Marvel) Scarlet Witch yelling out "No more Captain Americas"? :)

[Arion]

Hey...this is still just a comic book, right?

With a character basically everyone knows.

[Robot H Brian]

Man. What a way to put a moderately obscure character (to them, not to us) on the mainstream map in a big way.

This is an amazing marketing success story.

Time will tell how it affects sales. At the very least, when the movie eventually comes out, more people will be familiar with the character.

And luckily, if it turns mainstream heads towards the series, it's got the best damn creative team on it in a long, long time, if not ever.

[Starpilot]

Great links. I especially enjoyed the vitriol-laced article in the Conservative Voice. What a nut!

[Snowspinner]

Ugh. This is just a rotten circumstance.

It does retailers very little good to have people come to the store and be unable to buy the product. Telling the person who's never been by a comic book store "We'll have it in two or three weeks" isn't going to work - their interest will have faded by then.

So what's gained by this stunt, sales-wise? The mainstream media attention does little to bring in new fans if they can't pick up the books.

Would Marvel have still done as well if the reveal weren't a complete secret? I don't know - clearly they were leaking it to the media in advance of Wednesday, so you've got to figure the media got a tip-off.

But this points to a big problem with the comics industry. With non-returnable merchandise that has to be ordered blind and that re-orders are likely to be difficult if not impossible, retailers are not in a position to take huge risks on a "trust us, it's going to sell" promise. But it wouldn't sell as much if they were told "Captain America will die here" - especially not as far back as they would have had to be told to make the orders.

There has to be a better way here - whether it's getting rid of Diamond's insane shipping practices or doing a better job of giving retailers a real idea of what a book is going to move. (Perhaps by creating an independent board of retailers who are kept in the loop on creative decisions and can issue non-spun ordering advice.)

But this is just a crap situation. Bring everyone into the comic stores to be disappointed. Great.

[Lex]

Whoo-hoo! I had hoped Colbert would make fun of this on his show.

I can't wait!

[durkadurka]

Ugh. This is just a rotten circumstance.

It does retailers very little good to have people come to the store and be unable to buy the product. Telling the person who's never been by a comic book store "We'll have it in two or three weeks" isn't going to work - their interest will have faded by then.
Geez, an American icon is dead, and all you can think of is money. Thanks a lot.

[Snowspinner]

Geez, an American icon is dead, and all you can think of is money. Thanks a lot.

A fictional character is dead, and all I can think about is the bad will this is going to generate among people who were potential comics fans.

[Nate Palm]

Tony is really the wrong person to be doing this.

And there shouldn't even be a new Captain America. Steve Rogers is Captain America. No Steve Rogers no Captain America. It's that simple. You can't just stick any yahoo in the suit and say 'The Spirit of America lives on.'

[ryanrhome]

<a href=http://www.theconservativevoice.com/article/23328.html>Michael John McCrae goes some strange places in The Conservative Voice</a>



I wondered when the first conserv...ahem...group of people would start looking at it from this angle. Funny that they can judge not only the story but the intention behind it without reading the lead up story or the follow up (there is clearly going to be A captain america...but he just isn't THE captain america we have seen since the 40's). The gist of the story which was also mentioned in lead ins Civil War and Frontline is that Captain America is a symbol, and Steve Rogers is a man. The man was killed, the symbol was not.

According to this person (what are his qualifications again?) the new captain america will be an homosexual atheist whose only power beyond shield slinging is a superfast 3rd trimester abortions. He also spends a 6 issue arc teaching contraception in a local high school.

Ridiculous.

[KyleV]

This has definitely been a marketing dream for Marvel. It would seem that their Civil War books are going to benefit from this, too.

And wow! It appears that the nutjobs from both sides of the political spectrum are coming out guns blazing! That's funny stuff.

Personally, I don't see a political statement in Cap's death, aside from perhaps pointing out that America IS divided these days and is trying to find its identity, but I wouldn't go so far as to say that his death is pointing in one particular direction or the other.

[SifoDyasJr]

Stephen Colbert should take over as the new Captain America

http://www.cafepress.com/colbert08hq

[durkadurka]

A fictional character is dead,

Blasphemy

and all I can think about is the bad will this is going to generate among people who were potential comics fans.

First come, first serve. Sucks to be last.

[KyleV]

Snowspinner said:But this is just a crap situation. Bring everyone into the comic stores to be disappointed. Great.

You would think that, but I found yesterday that this wasn't the case.

Quesada has done such a good job of tying Cap's death into Civil War, the "newbies" at the store I went to, upon hearing that Captain America #25 was sold out, bought up anything they could find with "Civil War" on it.

So they left perfectly happy, believing that anything with Civil War on it was just as important as Cap #25.

[Snowspinner]

Blasphemy



First come, first serve. Sucks to be last.

Just to check, are you joking, trolling, or an idiot?

[Snowspinner]

You would think that, but I found yesterday that this wasn't the case.

Quesada has done such a good job of tying Cap's death into Civil War, the "newbies" at the store I went to, upon hearing that Captain America #25 was sold out, bought up anything they could find with "Civil War" on it.

So they left perfectly happy, believing that anything with Civil War on it was just as important as Cap #25.

Huh.

Now that I have absolutely no idea how will play out. You've got to figure that they were buying tail end issues - parts 6 and 7, and the last few tie-ins. I have no concept of how those would play to a newbie reader.

Weird.

[durkadurka]

Just to check, are you joking, trolling, or an idiot?
Most probably all 3. Just don't like it when people bring me down. And you, sir, brought me down.

[Skyrider]

He'll be back.

[Jason Green]

This article from Wonkette (http://wonkette.com/politics/captain-america/comic-book-version-of-america-dies-too-242373.php) is one of the funniest things I've read on the subject of Cap #25. Check 'er out!

[Fan4Fan]

Just added - next Weds, if all goes to plan.

MattB


Thanks! :)

[s*p rules]

I'll be back buying marvel comics when Steve Rogers is brought back from the "dead".

I shudder at all the hullaboo that went on when Superman died, and how I bought into it as a naive young comic buyer. Now I can just laugh at how serious this is all being taken, and how idiotic the people who are buying this issue for $100 or more on eBay are going to feel in a year or two when the real cap is back and the issue is work $5. Morons.

[Fan4Fan]

Like a Superboy Punch? Or (given it's Marvel) Scarlet Witch yelling out "No more Captain Americas"? :)

Nah.... I meant something more along the lines of Punisher or Winter Soldier... ;)

[MattBrady]

I'll be back buying marvel comics when Steve Rogers is brought back from the "dead".

I shudder at all the hullaboo that went on when Superman died, and how I bought into it as a naive young comic buyer. Now I can just laugh at how serious this is all being taken, and how idiotic the people who are buying this issue for $100 or more on eBay are going to feel in a year or two when the real cap is back and the issue is work $5. Morons. can we stop the blanket insults of others, please?

thanks

MattB

[Vintage]

This article from Wonkette (http://wonkette.com/politics/captain-america/comic-book-version-of-america-dies-too-242373.php) is one of the funniest things I've read on the subject of Cap #25. Check 'er out!
LOL. Whoever wrote that needs to stay away from the spiked Kool-Aid.

[melperfect]

Want to know the best thing that's come from this whole situation?!?!?

Captain America #25 was a heart-breakingly good comic book.
Man did that hurt when I read it. All the respect in the world to the creators. Bravo!

[paulski]

Seriously though, Matt, I gotta agree. Anyone that pays that sort of money is a moron.

I know there's a sucker born every minute, but this is just ridiculous. :(

[Robot H Brian]

Ugh. This is just a rotten circumstance.

It does retailers very little good to have people come to the store and be unable to buy the product. Telling the person who's never been by a comic book store "We'll have it in two or three weeks" isn't going to work - their interest will have faded by then.

But this is just a crap situation. Bring everyone into the comic stores to be disappointed. Great.

Seems to me a situation such as this is a pretty solid opportunity for retailers to nut up and upsell these potential customers on other product and do something to incentivize them to come back (rain check coupon?) when the book's back in stock.

A good salesperson can turn a problem into an opportunity. If a retailer can't generate sales out of this (theoretical) influx of new customers, that ain't Marvel's fault.

[ziza9]

Seriously though, Matt, I gotta agree. Anyone that pays that sort of money is a moron.

I know there's a sucker born every minute, but this is just ridiculous. :(

Thirded. (uh, not really a word, but you get me.) If someone spends 80-100 bucks on something worth 3-5 bucks that's just dumb in every sense. They aren't stocks. It's comics.

[s*p rules]

can we stop the blanket insults of others, please?

thanks

MattB

Did you have someone specific in mind? :)

[Floodnado]

I was actually surprised it wasn't on the Report last night, given that it's Captain AMERICA and the fact that Stephen himself is a gigantic nerd.

[JohnLynch]

I have blind faith on Brubaker, I know he is gonna give us a hell of good stories, and about the resurrection, well it's something that is gonna happen, and I think Steve is going to come back from the dead in the 50th issue, also written by Bru, after all he is THE MAN. Peace.You mean Ed "We'll kill foggy but then take it back" Brubaker? Or Ed "Let's resurrect Bucky after 40 years" Brubaker? Yeah, I have LOTS of faith in him dealing with Captain America's death :rolleyes:

Sarcasm aside, I do like Ed Brubaker's writing. But dealing with death doesn't seem to be his specialty.

Iron Man to choose next Cap?!! That's going to work well.

I can easily see this becoming a battle over who is worthy to carry the mantle. Some upstart fresh from the woods. The Falcon, Cap's former comrade in arms. Patriot, grandson of the original Cap and disciple of Steve Rogers. Justice, son of Isaiah Bradley, who's been underground since The Crew. Or Bucky, aka The Winter Soldier, Cap's onetime sidekick, protege, and one of his closest friends, whose perhaps the best groomed for the role. Anyone's guess at this point. Tony is really the wrong person to be doing this.

Well, looks like I'll be up later than usual to check this out on the Colbert Report.You can rule out any black characters IMO. This is Marvel, not DC, so his replacement will probably be white.

Okay, I'm kidding. Sorta. I will really be surprised if the replacement is black. Captain America is considered an icon that represents America. I just can't see Marvel making that icon black. I'm not calling Marvel or Joe Q racist or anything, I just do not think it will happen.

Also the replacement, if chosen by Tony Stark, has to be pro-reg. So Patriot is ruled out.

With a character basically everyone knows.Some of these people are writing eulogies. They're saying as a fictional character gets a rez, real life America on our good ol' blue planet will rise as well. What the ____?

Geez, an American icon is dead, and all you can think of is money. Thanks a lot.Are you for real? No-one died. Honest. Even the fictional character isn't dead. This is comic death, which means he'll get a rez anywhere from 1 month away to 40 years away. Get some perspective.

[durkadurka]

Are you for real? No-one died. Honest. Even the fictional character isn't dead. This is comic death, which means he'll get a rez anywhere from 1 month away to 40 years away. Get some perspective.
I love when people take everything i say super serial.

[IronWolf]

Capitão América está morto
So IronMan Is gonna pick the new Cap? who died and made him...oh thats right

[erikthered25]

Ugh. This is just a rotten circumstance.

It does retailers very little good to have people come to the store and be unable to buy the product. Telling the person who's never been by a comic book store "We'll have it in two or three weeks" isn't going to work - their interest will have faded by then.

So what's gained by this stunt, sales-wise? The mainstream media attention does little to bring in new fans if they can't pick up the books.

Would Marvel have still done as well if the reveal weren't a complete secret? I don't know - clearly they were leaking it to the media in advance of Wednesday, so you've got to figure the media got a tip-off.

But this points to a big problem with the comics industry. With non-returnable merchandise that has to be ordered blind and that re-orders are likely to be difficult if not impossible, retailers are not in a position to take huge risks on a "trust us, it's going to sell" promise. But it wouldn't sell as much if they were told "Captain America will die here" - especially not as far back as they would have had to be told to make the orders.

There has to be a better way here - whether it's getting rid of Diamond's insane shipping practices or doing a better job of giving retailers a real idea of what a book is going to move. (Perhaps by creating an independent board of retailers who are kept in the loop on creative decisions and can issue non-spun ordering advice.)

But this is just a crap situation. Bring everyone into the comic stores to be disappointed. Great.

You sound like the guy I get my comics from. But let's be honest, if Marvel gave retailers a heads up on what's going on, they would have spoiled the shocker at the end. This is the age of the internet. Someone would have leaked it on their blog or posted the picture somewhere and then newsarama would have the picture up on Monday talking about Captain america dies in issue 25 spoiling the surprise. Then it would have been pointless to leak it to the media. Sometimes i swear..damned if you do damned if you don't. Folks complained when they basically gave away that peter parker would be revealing his identity in Civil War #2. The whined and complained that they could have sold so much more if it was kept a secret. Now they do that here and folks still complain. Do what you normally do. Work the crowd. Offer them the previous issue of Captain America, offer them Civil War. Tell them that they'll be getting that issue next week. Even before they made the announcement that the reorders would be there on next week you should have anticipated that they would do that and tell folks that. Take phone numbers tell them that I'll call you when the issue comes in next week. While we all complain remember that Marvel did deliver one of the biggest Event in comicdom history in a long time and that you all made a lot of money from that event also. This had to be a missed opportunity because it wouldn't have had the punch it did if it did not and then the comic world wouldn't be getting the press that we are getting now. Sometimes in order to generate press this magnitude, you gotta make the hard decision. Although this was a hard decision it was the best decision in the long run.

[astronato]

On an editorial note, in a development sure to further incite the readers still critical of Iron Man’s role/characterization of Civil War and its fallout, Marvel has revealed to retailers via Diamond’s website that it will in fact be Stark who gets to – or tries to - choose the next Captain America.

According to Diamond’s description of Jeph Loeb and John Romita Jr’s Fallen Son: The Death of Captain America – Captain America special, “this pivotal issue features follows Iron Man’s quest to fill the red-white-and-blue uniform with a suitable replacement.”

As someone who dreads the idea of a new Captain America, I think I like the premise of Iron Man choosing a candidate.

Tony is the last person people will want to choose a new Captain America and it won't work. My hunch is, that this is the point/plan.

Or at least I'm hoping ;)

[ziza9]

As someone who dreads the idea of a new Captain America, I think I like the premise of Iron Man choosing a candidate.

Tony is the last person people will want to choose a new Captain America and it won't work. My hunch is, that this is the point/plan.

Or at least I'm hoping ;)

Agent America: Puppet of S.H.I.E.L.D.

[Ash Talon]

Possible candidates for the Captain America role...

Falcon/Sam Wilson: This could lead to the first real, Black Captain America. I don't count that retcon mini a few years ago. This would be a very interesting development for the title and could also get quite a media buzz.

Winter Soldier/Bucky Barnes: Brubaker pretty much hinted that this is the direction he's heading. It could be a nice role reversal to have the previously mourned Bucky now mourning for Steve Rogers.

Punisher/Frank Castle: It's almost a certainty that Castle will at least attempt to don the Captain America costume. He'd probably even try to temper his usual crime-fighting tactics to match the legacy of Rogers. However, he'll quickly realize he can't fill the role properly and will relinquish the CA identity.

Hawkeye/Clint Barton: We know he's roaming around without his Hawkeye costume. He's acrobatic and has great aim with projectile objects (a shield anyone?). He's been out of the spotlight for a while now, so Clint stepping into the CA boots would be a nice touch. Hell, he even looks like Steve Rogers.

I think this could actually lead to an interesting storyline across several books and characters. Numerous people could try to fill the role of Captain America until Steve Rogers makes his return. Yeah, this would be very similar to the Return of Superman storyline. However, Marvel has a chance to do this much better. None of these candidates would be claiming to be Steve Rogers. As they each realize that they can't properly fill the role of Captain America, we'd all realize that only Steve Rogers could truly be Captain America.

On another note, I would mind seeing someone take over the role of Captain America on a more permanent basis. The new Cap's adventures just need to be well done, which Brubaker and Epting are certainly capable of. Marvel would just need to stick to their guns and make the new Cap last. It's not like Steve Rogers is the only optimistic do-gooder in the MU.

I still think this whole idea has to do with Joe Simon suing Marvel for the rights to Captain America and Steve Rogers.

[JeffTheBeefy]

It does retailers very little good to have people come to the store and be unable to buy the product. Telling the person who's never been by a comic book store "We'll have it in two or three weeks" isn't going to work - their interest will have faded by then.

Retailers were warned by Diamond to order heavy on this issue. A little simple logic and it was rather clear as to why. They only have themselves to blame if they didn't order enough.

Some won't like this comment, but facts are facts. They were warned. My LCS, the great and mighty Waterfront Comics, ordered plenty, and he is now helping out other shops in the Bay Area who didn't.

Yet another reason why I will spend my money nowhere else. Not only a great place to shop, but a owner who is on top of things :D

[Jon Snow]

You mean Ed "We'll kill foggy but then take it back" Brubaker? Or Ed "Let's resurrect Bucky after 40 years" Brubaker? Yeah, I have LOTS of faith in him dealing with Captain America's death :rolleyes:

Sarcasm aside, I do like Ed Brubaker's writing. But dealing with death doesn't seem to be his specialty.

You can rule out any black characters IMO. This is Marvel, not DC, so his replacement will probably be white.

Okay, I'm kidding. Sorta. I will really be surprised if the replacement is black. Captain America is considered an icon that represents America. I just can't see Marvel making that icon black. I'm not calling Marvel or Joe Q racist or anything, I just do not think it will happen.

Also the replacement, if chosen by Tony Stark, has to be pro-reg. So Patriot is ruled out.

Some of these people are writing eulogies. They're saying as a fictional character gets a rez, real life America on our good ol' blue planet will rise as well. What the ____?

Are you for real? No-one died. Honest. Even the fictional character isn't dead. This is comic death, which means he'll get a rez anywhere from 1 month away to 40 years away. Get some perspective.


I think he meant Ed "let´s make people believe that Foggy's dead" Brubaker and Ed "Let´s bring back a character that noone actually saw die" Brubaker.

Oh, in case you do not know, the FIRST Cap was indeed black, as seen in the amazing The Truth series.
Patriot would be a very good standin for Cap, sure, as would be Bucky.

But my guess is that it'll be someone else.

So long as it's not the Cap from the Heroes Reborn universe, i'm fine!

:)

And by the way, for anyone who still hasn't read this issue... it´s beautiful beyond words, and that thing with Sharon is so cruel, it´s heart-wrenching.

[mike oxbig]

I can not believe how well this played out for Marvel, if you were gonna do something like this now's the time with the political climate the way it is and a slow news day to boot.

I think Ironhorse is right, issue 50 would put us around summer of '09 which is blockbuster season.

[astronato]

I say Devil Dinosaur as the new Captain America. He just needs a bigger shield.

[ted_dahlman]

The eonline link didn't seem to work for me. if anyone else has the same problem, try this one.

http://www.eonline.com/news/article/index.jsp?uuid=e8c80ae9-7938-4ce5-97bc-4a71a2c47b0c

[deco_la]

Didn't Cap "die" before?

Wasn't he "dead" for years after WW2 until the Avengers found him? (Or Namor before them). In fact he was more literally dead then -- he didn't even have a book until he was thawed out from the ice.

As to whether it's gotta be Steve in the suit -- remember that What If that turns out to have been in canon -- in which we learn that a couple other guys wore the suit (and got killed) keeping the Cap legacy alive after WW2 and before SR's return (IIRC they were other flag-wearing heroes, the Patriot and the Spirit of '76 or similar; one of them saves Kennedy or something); those guys were heroes, too, and did the Cap legacy proud (and someone oughta post that ish on fullscansdaily -- it's hella relevant right now)

IMO it's a cool story idea and I'm sure Bru's gonna take it to cool places. In context of the story I'm sad & pissed SR got iced, but as a long-time comics fan, I'm not worried at all.

Finally, the fact there's a big overprinting that'll be on the shelves shortly(ish) has gotta be sad for those who bought up multi-copies and are trying to unload them on ebay (after all, the overprinting is still 1st printing, right? so there's no more value to the copies that sold out y'day than those that'll go on sale in few days, right?) -- and I for one DIG THAT!

[Steve Magnum]

Retailers were warned by Diamond to order heavy on this issue. A little simple logic and it was rather clear as to why. They only have themselves to blame if they didn't order enough.

Some won't like this comment, but facts are facts. They were warned. My LCS, the great and mighty Waterfront Comics, ordered plenty, and he is now helping out other shops in the Bay Area who didn't.

Yet another reason why I will spend my money nowhere else. Not only a great place to shop, but a owner who is on top of things :D

Yeah retailers were warned to increase their orders because of an alternate cover.

However, if they had been told that this was an important issue to order more of because it pertained to Civil War or because something "important" happens, then they might have ordered more. The story didn't need to be spoiled, but retailers should have been given more info than just "There will be two covers for this issue. Order a lot!"

[Snowspinner]

Seems to me a situation such as this is a pretty solid opportunity for retailers to nut up and upsell these potential customers on other product and do something to incentivize them to come back (rain check coupon?) when the book's back in stock.

A good salesperson can turn a problem into an opportunity. If a retailer can't generate sales out of this (theoretical) influx of new customers, that ain't Marvel's fault.

The people coming to the comic store because they saw the death of Captain America on CNN aren't interested in comics in general - they're interested in the death of Captain America. A rain check coupon might well help, but it's still going to leave a sour taste in a newbie's mouth - here's one of the biggest days in comics history, at least in terms of mainstream media coverage, and what people are learning is that they can't get comics unless they pre-order months in advance.

[mike oxbig]

This wil be solidified as possibly the greatest move ever by a comic company if Marvel can get the press to cover the release of the overprinting.

[Snowspinner]

Yeah retailers were warned to increase their orders because of an alternate cover.

However, if they had been told that this was an important issue to order more of because it pertained to Civil War or because something "important" happens, then they might have ordered more. The story didn't need to be spoiled, but retailers should have been given more info than just "There will be two covers for this issue. Order a lot!"

They were told something big happens in this issue.

But that's a crapshoot, and considering the financial hit retailers take if they over-order, they're still going to be more cautious when they have less information. Particularly when the information is just "this is going to be a big issue."

[Traumaville]

... is it just me...

I know there's no way it could happen. But what about Frank Castle taking over...
Thats stupid... right?:confused:

[JohnLynch]

Ridiculous.People like this John McCrae don't try to be credible. They try to get attention. And it worked.

I love when people take everything i say super serial.Yeah, having read some more of your posts I see you were joking. Sorry, but it didn't look like it from the initial quote (and I hadn't realised any more posts had been made when i made my post). And after reading a eulogy in the links in the first post, I wouldn't put the post being serious past anyone at this point ;)

I'll be back buying marvel comics when Steve Rogers is brought back from the "dead". I'll see you next month then.

how idiotic the people who are buying this issue for $100 or more on eBay are going to feelLink?

As for who I want to replace Captain America? I want it to be an asian unknown. Just so we can have Ron Zimmerman say "I ____ing hate (Captain America)... I ____ing hate that mousy little…what is he, Hawaiian? Chinese? It’s Captain America. He’s supposed to be an American icon and he looks like something Lucy Liu crapped."

Oh, in case you do not know, the FIRST Cap was indeed black, as seen in the amazing The Truth series.You mean Truth: Red, White and Black produced in 2003? I'd hardly call a stand alone mini-series written in 2003 about events in 1930s and 40s is the same as having the current Captain America be black. But again, I'd be pleasantly surprised if they do make the new one black, I just don't expect them to.

Patriot would be a very good standin for Cap, sure, as would be Bucky.Patriot I'd prefer over Bucky, but I wonder how it would affect the Young Avengers and its irregular publishing schedule. It doesn't have to, but I'd hate to see Young Avengers lose him. I'd also like to see Patriot eventually grow into his own hero that isn't necessarily associated with Captain America anymore, something that taking on the title wouldn't allow.

However Bucky I'd hate to see become Captain America. I think given his more recent history, Bucky has some issues to work out before he considered himself worthy of the Captain America uniform.

Wasn't he "dead" for years after WW2 until the Avengers found him? (Or Namor before them).Not at all. He still existed, but he'd retired or something. Him having dissapeared for all those years was actually a retcon and up until then Bucky and Captain America were around, just not seen. I say this based on the letters at the back of the Avengers which would often call for "Captain America to join the Avengers in an advisory position. Despite his age, he could train them and give them advice."

[ST0RM SHAD0W]

... is it just me...

I know there's no way it could happen. But what about Frank Castle taking over...
Thats stupid... right?:confused:



Thats what I thought.

[Snowspinner]

You sound like the guy I get my comics from. But let's be honest, if Marvel gave retailers a heads up on what's going on, they would have spoiled the shocker at the end. This is the age of the internet. Someone would have leaked it on their blog or posted the picture somewhere and then newsarama would have the picture up on Monday talking about Captain america dies in issue 25 spoiling the surprise. Then it would have been pointless to leak it to the media. Sometimes i swear..damned if you do damned if you don't. Folks complained when they basically gave away that peter parker would be revealing his identity in Civil War #2. The whined and complained that they could have sold so much more if it was kept a secret. Now they do that here and folks still complain. Do what you normally do. Work the crowd. Offer them the previous issue of Captain America, offer them Civil War. Tell them that they'll be getting that issue next week. Even before they made the announcement that the reorders would be there on next week you should have anticipated that they would do that and tell folks that. Take phone numbers tell them that I'll call you when the issue comes in next week. While we all complain remember that Marvel did deliver one of the biggest Event in comicdom history in a long time and that you all made a lot of money from that event also. This had to be a missed opportunity because it wouldn't have had the punch it did if it did not and then the comic world wouldn't be getting the press that we are getting now. Sometimes in order to generate press this magnitude, you gotta make the hard decision. Although this was a hard decision it was the best decision in the long run.

The previous issue of Captain America hit well over a month ago - any retailer who has a large number of those in stock has been screwing up their cycle sheets something fierce. As was any retailer who still has enough Civil War #1 to satisfy a horde of eager customers.

And no retailer in their right mind would promise "we'll have it next week" without knowing that.

Press does nothing if the people who walk into a comic shop because they heard about Captain America #25 on CNN can't buy Captain America #25. There's a small window where a story like this pays out, and the books need to be in the store in that window.

As for the long run, we'll have to see. The Death of Superman looked like a better idea at first than it actually was.

[Snowspinner]

This wil be solidified as possibly the greatest move ever by a comic company if Marvel can get the press to cover the release of the overprinting.

Which is a long shot - CNN isn't going to drag up a week-old story that wouldn't run on a big news day and run a follow-up "Hey, you can actually buy that thing we talked about a week ago."

"X is back in stock at some stores" isn't the kind of news "Captain America died" is, and "Captain America died" is only news on a mildly slow news day.

[JeffTheBeefy]

They were told something big happens in this issue."

Very true. And it didn't take much to draw the line from point A to point B and figure it out.:rolleyes:

[Shadowcards]

Frank Castle is going to be the rebound Captain America.until a real one is chosen.

[mike oxbig]

Which is a long shot - CNN isn't going to drag up a week-old story that wouldn't run on a big news day and run a follow-up "Hey, you can actually buy that thing we talked about a week ago."

Hence why it would be so impressive. And I'm not saying next week I'm saying tomorrow as in "This was so huge it sold out in a day!" kind of report.

The condescension was totally appreciated though.

[Traumaville]

A-Ha...
see, like I said... slow.
Rebound Captain America....

Huh.

[Snowspinner]

Very true. And it didn't take much to draw the line from point A to point B and figure it out.:rolleyes:

Sure it did.

It took a substantial outlay of money to order additional issues. An outlay of money that was not a sure bet. Remember - DC told people that Flash and Wonder Woman would be titles to watch out for. Quesada hyped Nextwave left, right, and center. Company hype is a mixed bag at best.

Sure, I might have guessed Captain America was going to bite it. Heck, I did guess it until Civil War #7, at which point I figured I must be wrong. But the question isn't what a retailer thinks the most likely out come is. The question is what they think they should bet on it.

[Traumaville]

I Vote For Zemo....



or the Armadillo....

[GeorgeG]

retailers should've limited people to one copy

[beta-ray]

Hey...this is still just a comic book, right?

Judging by some of the comments I have been reading across these boards I don't think so...

[KyleV]

Hey, Snowspinner:

In defense of Marvel, I don't think even THEY thought the book would sell like it did. Civil War got pretty good press, but none of those issues sold out in a matter of hours.

On top of that, we're talking about the death of a character who, while he's been around for a while, has been out of mainstream popular culture for a while. He doesn't have a movie or a cartoon. Heck, his book has been restarted FOUR TIMES because of lagging sales, most of which came in the last decade.

While I'm sure the exected to get some press on it (maybe a piece on NPR or a blurb on CNN), I don't think anyone thought people would go out in droves and buy the thing.

It's the nature of American media, too; one place runs a story, then everyone follows suit so they don't look like they missed it.

What Marvel should have done is put some kind of order form on their site, that way people could mail order it. I think new readers would be much more likely to buy it online (at, say, a slight discount) and have it delivered to them when the new run is ready than to head out to a comic book store next week.

[Tupper1979]

Ugh. This is just a rotten circumstance.

It does retailers very little good to have people come to the store and be unable to buy the product. Telling the person who's never been by a comic book store "We'll have it in two or three weeks" isn't going to work - their interest will have faded by then.

So what's gained by this stunt, sales-wise? The mainstream media attention does little to bring in new fans if they can't pick up the books.

Would Marvel have still done as well if the reveal weren't a complete secret? I don't know - clearly they were leaking it to the media in advance of Wednesday, so you've got to figure the media got a tip-off.

But this points to a big problem with the comics industry. With non-returnable merchandise that has to be ordered blind and that re-orders are likely to be difficult if not impossible, retailers are not in a position to take huge risks on a "trust us, it's going to sell" promise. But it wouldn't sell as much if they were told "Captain America will die here" - especially not as far back as they would have had to be told to make the orders.

There has to be a better way here - whether it's getting rid of Diamond's insane shipping practices or doing a better job of giving retailers a real idea of what a book is going to move. (Perhaps by creating an independent board of retailers who are kept in the loop on creative decisions and can issue non-spun ordering advice.)

But this is just a crap situation. Bring everyone into the comic stores to be disappointed. Great.

Hmmmm...how odd that today (Thursday) there were plenty of copies in my store...

I see no disappointment. I only see success for the industry.

Oh and when no one knows until late tuesday/early wednesday that a MAJOR character dies, I think that's pretty good in the age of the internet and all that jazz. But it shows you that some people will never be happy. I call those people Fanboys and they should die in a blaze of Wolverine action figures, Battlestar Galactica DVDs and double-foil stamped issues of Spawn #1.

[Snowspinner]

Hmmmm...how odd that today (Thursday) there were plenty of copies in my store...

I see no disappointment. I only see success for the industry.

Oh and when no one knows until late tuesday/early wednesday that a MAJOR character dies, I think that's pretty good in the age of the internet and all that jazz. But it shows you that some people will never be happy. I call those people Fanboys and they should die in a blaze of Wolverine action figures, Battlestar Galactica DVDs and double-foil stamped issues of Spawn #1.

I stopped by my LCS, on the other hand, and they were very much sold through. YMMV, but the situation, it is not great.

[mike oxbig]

That is a good idea Kyle ecept that the way things are currently structured retailers would cry foul like you wouldn't believe.

[Adon]

One thing I'm finding interesting is that Tony Stark, currently possessing the shield, is going to try to pick the replacement. Which is extremely loaded and bound to have a good amount of backlash. It reminds me a bit of the whole Artemis as Wonder Woman situation from a while ago -- I'm thinking that there will be a good number of heroes who refuse to acknowledge Tony's pick as Captain America in spite of whatever 'official' weight is put behind it. Some would call into question, not without merit, that Tony doesn't or shouldn't have the *right* to appoint a successor. Tony could counter that as head of SHIELD, he's the one with the authority. It comes down to, once again, legal authority versus moral authority. Tony would have the first... but does he have the second? I think it goes without saying there's a large number of people who don't think so.

So I am seeing at least two people claiming to be Captain America in the fallout. One being one of Cap's friends seeking to honor his legacy, and one being Tony's pick.

And just for the record, while I personally don't think Tony is the person with the right to make the call, it's easy to see him doing it. If Civil War has proven anything, he's a person who tends to go ahead with things once he makes up his mind, and is just arrogant enough to assume he's the best qualified to make the call. He certainly wouldn't mean any harm in it... Tony is all about doing what he thinks is best, often disregarding who he has to stomp on to get there.

[Liliaeth]

You sound like the guy I get my comics from. But let's be honest, if Marvel gave retailers a heads up on what's going on, they would have spoiled the shocker at the end. This is the age of the internet. Someone would have leaked it on their blog or posted the picture somewhere and then newsarama would have the picture up on Monday talking about Captain america dies in issue 25 spoiling the surprise. Then it would have been pointless to leak it to the media. Sometimes i swear..damned if you do damned if you don't. Folks complained when they basically gave away that peter parker would be revealing his identity in Civil War #2. The whined and complained that they could have sold so much more if it was kept a secret. Now they do that here and folks still complain. Do what you normally do. Work the crowd. Offer them the previous issue of Captain America, offer them Civil War. Tell them that they'll be getting that issue next week. Even before they made the announcement that the reorders would be there on next week you should have anticipated that they would do that and tell folks that. Take phone numbers tell them that I'll call you when the issue comes in next week. While we all complain remember that Marvel did deliver one of the biggest Event in comicdom history in a long time and that you all made a lot of money from that event also. This had to be a missed opportunity because it wouldn't have had the punch it did if it did not and then the comic world wouldn't be getting the press that we are getting now. Sometimes in order to generate press this magnitude, you gotta make the hard decision. Although this was a hard decision it was the best decision in the long run.


Not to mention that a lot of non-fans, reading about this and deciding they might want the comic, aren't going to instantly run to the comicstore. They're going to wait till they have the time and then go in when they pass by.

[JLAJRC]

The Conservative Voice and Huffington Post links are two of the funniest I've read in a long time.:D

[Mundungus]

While I trust that the death of Captain America is in great hands with Brubaker, and that Marvel really is shaking up the status quo these last few years. It seems like one big shock after another, and while I'm one of the "meh" about death in comics, this really has no poignance for me at all.

Maybe I'll change my tune once I get the next printing of #25, but way too many shocking things have followed after another these last two years and I really want to breathe between my storylines.

[zeraze1]

You can rule out any black characters IMO. This is Marvel, not DC, so his replacement will probably be white.

Okay, I'm kidding. Sorta. I will really be surprised if the replacement is black. Captain America is considered an icon that represents America. I just can't see Marvel making that icon black. I'm not calling Marvel or Joe Q racist or anything, I just do not think it will happen.

You've obviously forgotten Truth: Red, White and Black, which revealed that the very first Captain America was a Black man. Isaiah Bradley. Steve Rogers was Bradley's successor.

Hence, a new Black Captain America isn't much of a stretch.

zeraze

[HNutz]

Should be.... interesting....

Hmmm... who WOULD pick out a successor? Falcon, maybe?

[Doubleshot]

At this point the only reason I see Iron Man picking Cap's replacement is that he want's someone that will follow his orders. We know Cap had a mind of his own which was great.

What would be really great if it became a split book or similar. One could be Iron Man's pick and the other could be who picks up the mantle and basically shoots the finger at Tony. Imagine the fight that would have to happen.

I can see Marvel putting a woman in the suit.

[Adon]

At this point the only reason I see Iron Man picking Cap's replacement is that he want's someone that will follow his orders. We know Cap had a mind of his own which was great.

Here, I think Tony would seriously believe that since he was Cap's friend, he would have the right to do it. This is overlooking the conflict they so recently had, and that there are many who could argue that Tony threw that friendship out the window. I wouldn't disagree with them, either, but remember, how Tony views himself is frequently a step removed from how others see him.

That said, I do agree that his pick would very likely be someone he thinks would follow his party line.

I can see Marvel putting a woman in the suit.

I'm actually half-hoping that Sharon dons the suit. Dunno if that will happen, but I think it would be interesting.

[The Spirit]

Colbert's heart will be crushed.

[jj4000]

And there shouldn't even be a new Captain America. Steve Rogers is Captain America. No Steve Rogers no Captain America. It's that simple. You can't just stick any yahoo in the suit and say 'The Spirit of America lives on.'



Frank Castle, AKA The Punisher, is NOT ANY YAHOO!!!

He is a Yahoo with GUNS and AMMO and a desire to KILL!!!!



The NEW SPirit of Amerika!!!!!

[mike oxbig]

Found elsewhere:

http://img266.imageshack.us/img266/1053/cappunisherht7.th.jpg (http://img266.imageshack.us/my.php?image=cappunisherht7.jpg)

[RRGrayson]

You know what this means with the overprint???

:confused:

The ones that have it now don't have squat for something valuable. So it's like I figured, it's only going to be worth $3.99....

Here's the thing though - by the time Diamond gets the copies out to a lot of places that were screaming for them YESTERDAY there won't be as much interest. Yes, there will be interest to a point but not at the level there was due to all of the exposure on TV, internet and even that old thing called a radio.

:eek:

Couldn't Diamond have shipped an extra....say 100 per shop and tell the LCS "hey, if you don't want them, send them back". They would of sold a lot more yesterday.

Regardless, Cap 25 will be very high on the sales list for March. I'm even predicting #1 (kinda a no brainer)

Again, as I stated earlier, those that have Cap 25 don't really have anything valuable (to cash in on-except for those smart loonies on E-Bay going for $150.00 a set!!!) except a good story and some twists on how Captain America died.

Nice one Marvel.....

[Tom Daylight]

Matt's on Five Live now

[bluestar]

Matt's on Five Live now



Im listening right now too!!! :D

[Super-Yoda]

*…. opps...

[Dysc7]

/also listening, and loving :D

[Super-Yoda]

It would be ironic if the next Captain America was (were?) a BEAR… err…. the four legged kind with the claws and all that. I think it would be very symbolic, in an "in your face Colbert" kind of way….

[bluestar]

/also listening, and loving :D


And now its over..............thats was quick :( burt hey at least Britain got something lol :p

[MattBrady]

And now its over..............thats was quick :( burt hey at least Britain got something lol :p so what, I was on at 1:15 am?

MattB

[Somebody]

so what, I was on at 1:15 am?

MattB
Yeah, give or take five minutes.

, so if you’re on your way home from a bar, tune in. If it's held for the early am, we apologize for starting your day off that way.
But not to UK users, huh? :) [Surprised you're not mentioning that it'll be on the BBC website later today [Fri]]

I just want to say how funny I found it when you were desperately trying not to say "He WILL be back, it's just a question of 'when' - and besides, they're still publishing stories with Ultimate Cap & Marvel Adventures Cap", and had to kinda half-say it in the end :)

[MattBrady]

I just want to say how funny I found it when you were desperately trying not to say "He WILL be back, it's just a question of 'when' - and besides, they're still publishing stories with Ultimate Cap & Marvel Adventures Cap", and had to kinda half-say it in the end :) Heh - I said the door is open, which is pretty much what everyone has been saying all along. If I said anything else, I blame the whiskey. (Note to self, never to interviews after 8pm)

MattB

[bluestar]

lol i love it :D it went from robots taking over the world to Captain America's death! geeky night or what! :D lol

[MattBrady]

lol i love it :D it went from robots taking over the world to Captain America's death! geeky night or what! :D lolI wanted to make a joke about Terminators, but the interview was kind of over before I knew it was started...it was like ADD radio. Fun, but man...in, out, next topic - Turnips in Leeds. Are they too big for their own good?

MattB

[Somebody]

Heh - I said the door is open, which is pretty much what everyone has been saying all along. If I said anything else, I blame the whiskey. (Note to self, never to interviews after 8pm)

MattB
Nah, that's close enough what you said :) I just loved the "will you remember where you were the moment Captain America was shot" line the interview was taking though - it's just funny that people still fall for the idea that comic characters will stay dead after Superman came back. I mean, does anyone at all on this site believe that Steve Rogers will still be dead in the MU in ten years time, even in the unlikely event that Bru, Joe Q, etc intend him to be & stay dead now? It's not like, say, Quasar, where the character has fans but is - for better or worse - a minor character and will probably stay dead/replaced. Like you said on the radio, Cap's a big Intellectual Property, and has a Marvel-paid-for movie due in a year or two.

I wanted to make a joke about Terminators, but the interview was kind of over before I knew it was started...it was like ADD radio. Fun, but man...in, out, next topic - Turnips in Leeds. Are they too big for their own good?

MattB
Program's called "Up All Night". Haven't listened to it in a while apart from just there, but IIRC they try to keep it moving from item to item because of the time :)

[bluestar]

I wanted to make a joke about Terminators, but the interview was kind of over before I knew it was started...it was like ADD radio. Fun, but man...in, out, next topic - Turnips in Leeds. Are they too big for their own good?

MattB


LMAO! its shame really this is like the only British coverage on the subject, christ that artist up here in north yorkshire got more coverage when he did art for Civil War: War Crimes!?! :confused:

[JohnLynch]

has been out of mainstream popular culture for a while.Exactly. This isn't Spider-Man, this isn't Superman or Batman. This isn't even Daredevil. This is Captain America. Someone whose seen as a jingoistic icon from the 40s to a lot of non-comic readers (I know that's how I saw the character). The fact its been picked up as it has been is astounding and says a lot about the desperateness of news reporters during a slow news day ;)

Also people have been saying the retailers should have put 1 and 1 together and come up with Captain America's death. Well Joe Q did say he wouldn't die in Civil War. Sure it was here at newsarama so who knows how many retailers read it, but I don't think its unreasonable for those that did to think he'll live. Also Captain America has a film coming up (if it doesn't get tanked). Marvel changed minor things like how Spider-Man produces webbing and his costume in order to become closer to the movies. Who the hell would think they'd kill off the star of an upcoming movie before it gets made?

It seems like one big shock after anotherI like to call them gimmicks. And when Steve Rogers returns in time for his movie (or before) I'll be updating my signature (if I still have it) and putting the cover of his death in it.

You've obviously forgotten Truth: Red, White and Black, which revealed that the very first Captain America was a Black man. Isaiah Bradley. Steve Rogers was Bradley's successor.

Hence, a new Black Captain America isn't much of a stretch.I already addressed that up above (I don't say this to be snarky, but in case you missed it. Its easy to miss posts, after all, I did so earlier in the thread ;)). I do think that a current black Captain America won't happen. Unless they go they go with having at least Captain Americas at the moment. Then I can see Tony Stark's Captain America being black.

Y'know, this is a real opportunity for Tony Stark to say "Y'know what. Steve has been my friend for the past X years and given his opinions at the end and how he felt about the registration act, I cannot in good faith choose the next Captain America. Because on the one hand I cannot choose someone he would have hated it be someone who supported the registration act, and yet as the head of S.H.I.E.L.D I cannot choose someone who opposes it. So instead I'm putting this in storage until the day comes when I feel Steve would have wanted me to choose his successor." It would show him as being a bit more redeemable then some feel his recent acts have painted him.

What would be really great if it became a split book or similar. One could be Iron Man's pick and the other could be who picks up the mantle and basically shoots the finger at Tony. Imagine the fight that would have to happen.Why not make a new book and call it "The Mighty Captain America"?

[orlandoT]

I have to give credit to how Marvel handled this event. It would have been so easy to hype this week in advance to promote this issue. Fans who have been reading Captain America up to this point where "rewarded" with the tragic surprise. Sure it would have been ideal if all the regular readers of the title were able to have their hands on the issue, but the fact that the story remained quiet and unspoiled is commendable. Me, I like to be surprised, and I think most fans who were reading the title were not expecting this news.

[urthworm]

LMAO! its shame really this is like the only British coverage on the subjectCome on man, it's on the BBC website, there was a half-decent article in the Guardian and the tabloids are having a poorly researched field-day. It's being reported more widely in the UK even than Spider-Man's unmasking was, and that got a lot of press for what it was.

And Matt, great interview, you did the best you could with what that guy was giving you! Very strange to hear the voice behind the site after all these years reading it!

[KyleV]

mike oxbig said: That is a good idea Kyle ecept that the way things are currently structured retailers would cry foul like you wouldn't believe.

Good point.

I have to wonder, though: what are the chances that store owners west of the Mississippi, upon hearing about the quick sell-outs on the East Coast, pulled a few copies for Ebay? Or to stick on the wall at a higher price next week?

I would think most stores have a "personal" stash for just such a situation.

[bluestar]

Come on man, it's on the BBC website, there was a half-decent article in the Guardian and the tabloids are having a poorly researched field-day. It's being reported more widely in the UK even than Spider-Man's unmasking was, and that got a lot of press for what it was.

And Matt, great interview, you did the best you could with what that guy was giving you! Very strange to hear the voice behind the site after all these years reading it!


ah yeah but the Civil War: War Crimes artist got onto Look North news :p

[MattBrady]

And Matt, great interview, you did the best you could with what that guy was giving you! Very strange to hear the voice behind the site after all these years reading it! thanks, but that was a voice manipulator. I normally sound like Darth Vader on helium

MattB

[kurupted]

any chance of an audio rip of that interview being posted?

[Somebody]

BTW, since I mentioned it:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/aod/shows/rpms/fivelive/uan1_fri.ram

IT'S NOT UP YET, it'll go up on that link sometime later today [probably around 7am GMT] for seven days (right now, if you click on it you'll get last Friday's show). The interview'll be around 20 minutes into the file.

[phism]

On an editorial note, in a development sure to further incite the readers still critical of Iron Man’s role/characterization of <b>Civil War</b> and its fallout, Marvel has revealed to retailers via Diamond’s website that it will in fact be Stark who gets to – or tries to - choose the next Captain America.

According to Diamond’s description of Jeph Loeb and John Romita Jr’s <b>Fallen Son: The Death of Captain America – Captain America</b> special, “this pivotal issue features follows Iron Man’s quest to fill the red-white-and-blue uniform with a suitable replacement.”

Well this add's to the hilarity that Civil War largely was in terms of story, Stark hunts down Captain America as a symbol of the anti-reg movement, then, upon his capture and subsequent death, just whacks someone else in the costume. This guy really does have feelings doesn't he?

What ever happened to retiring a jersey for fallen/retired heroes?? I think Captain America at the very least deserved that....

I know that when my Gran died, the first thing I did was start looking for a replacement old lady...

[Enigma20XX]

... I just want Tony Stark to pay for his involvement in that mess SOMEHOW... Steve's dead, and he comes off smelling like a rose?!?!?!? No... demoting that bitch Maria Hill don't cut it!!!

[jwcomics]

I'll be back buying marvel comics when Steve Rogers is brought back from the "dead".

I shudder at all the hullaboo that went on when Superman died, and how I bought into it as a naive young comic buyer. Now I can just laugh at how serious this is all being taken, and how idiotic the people who are buying this issue for $100 or more on eBay are going to feel in a year or two when the real cap is back and the issue is work $5. Morons.


Forget next year this issue beging worth $5. Try next week when all the reorders come in. Should someone tell the eBayers?

[jwcomics]

I'm actually half-hoping that Sharon dons the suit. Dunno if that will happen, but I think it would be interesting.

It will be too baggy...

[kitty_tc]

I'm actually half-hoping that Sharon dons the suit. Dunno if that will happen, but I think it would be interesting.

Hasn't she done that before, under the name "American Dream", or was that someone else or not in continuity or something?

I'm a little fuzzy on the particulars, but I remember the name and the imagery, and damn did she look good in the outfit. She was blonde and blue-eyed as well, which further makes me think that it was indeed Sharon. Regardless, even if not her or not in continuity, there's precedent. I'd like to see it.

[c_andrew_s]

I am happy that they are getting coverage on Colbert; I am looking forward to the "word" segment... I am sure it will be really clever

[Alextron]

Man. What a way to put a moderately obscure character (to them, not to us) on the mainstream map in a big way.

This is an amazing marketing success story.

Time will tell how it affects sales. At the very least, when the movie eventually comes out, more people will be familiar with the character.

And luckily, if it turns mainstream heads towards the series, it's got the best damn creative team on it in a long, long time, if not ever.

How can it be a success if he's dead. I can't buy a book that doesn't exist. And 'No' I will not be buying whatever comes after this.

[CMAAB]

The new UFC heavyweight champion Randy "The Natural" Couture.

[Alextron]

Bill Clinton was behind the whole thing!

[khuxford]

You would think that, but I found yesterday that this wasn't the case.

Quesada has done such a good job of tying Cap's death into Civil War, the "newbies" at the store I went to, upon hearing that Captain America #25 was sold out, bought up anything they could find with "Civil War" on it.

So they left perfectly happy, believing that anything with Civil War on it was just as important as Cap #25.

Most of the anecdotal evidence I've seen says that your experience was an aberration. Most talk about people walking in looking for Captain America and not only not buying anything else when it wasn't there, but not being interested in the fact that it might be available in a week or two.

[0bsessions]

Also Captain America has a film coming up (if it doesn't get tanked). Marvel changed minor things like how Spider-Man produces webbing and his costume in order to become closer to the movies. Who the hell would think they'd kill off the star of an upcoming movie before it gets made?

I like to call them gimmicks. And when Steve Rogers returns in time for his movie (or before) I'll be updating my signature (if I still have it) and putting the cover of his death in it.



X3 focused primarily upon Phoenix. When the movie came out, however, Phoenix had been dead for close to two years and she STILL isn't back, close to a year after the hype from said movie died.

As a rather large amount of folks have pointed out, the vast minority of people in this country know who the Hell Steve Rogers is, but everyone's heard of Captain America.

America knows that Superman is Clark Kent, or that Bruce Wayne is Batman or Peter Parker is Spider-Man. It'd be impossible to replace any of the three for an extended period of time (As evidenced obviously by the extreme failure of all three attempts).

Can anyone on the streets tell you who Barry Allen or Hal Jordan are? That would explain why Barry Allen's been dead for almost as long as he was around to begin with at this point, or why Hal was replaced for over a decade with no huge problems.

Even with a movie coming out, Marvel's got a million and one ways they can have Steve Rogers' death stick and STILL market the Hell out of Cap. Cap was the PERFECT character to do this marketing blitz with. He is an American comics icon, someone everyone's heard about and seen in some fashion. He's had the same costume for close to seventy years running now and is one of the most recognizable names and figures in comic book history...but, most people on the streets don't have a name behind the mask, and that makes Steve expendable and easy to kill off while maintaining the icon's new and extremely lucrative marketability (To a point the character's never even had before).

All in all, a brilliant move, in my opinion.

[iyamwhatiyam]

Next month's Marvel surprise is that Millar and Hitch will actually be taking over the new Captain America... Batroc the Leaper.

[JohnLynch]

I can't buy a book that doesn't exist. And 'No' I will not be buying whatever comes after this.Then you willingly don't buy a book that does exist. But don't try to claim it doesn't.

X3 focused primarily upon Phoenix. When the movie came out, however, Phoenix had been dead for close to two years and she STILL isn't back, close to a year after the hype from said movie died.Right, but with 2 previous movies Marvel decided against bringing her back to life in order to try to capture new people. And perhaps they'll do the same with Captain America. Although I find Captain America more in line with Spider-Man when the first movie came out rather then in line with Phoenix for the the 3rd X-Men movie. But that's just my personal opinion.

As a rather large amount of folks have pointed out, the vast minority of people in this country know who the Hell Steve Rogers is, but everyone's heard of Captain America.I'd be very surprised if the Captain America movie doesn't have Steve Rogers, man out of time as the star (although hopefully with a better origin story). Its definitely possible, but again I personally doubt it.

America knows that Superman is Clark Kent, or that Bruce Wayne is Batman or Peter Parker is Spider-Man. It'd be impossible to replace any of the three for an extended period of time (As evidenced obviously by the extreme failure of all three attempts).Fair point, perhaps it will be the deciding factor in allowing him to stay dead.

Even with a movie coming out, Marvel's got a million and one ways they can have Steve Rogers' death stick and STILL market the Hell out of Cap. Cap was the PERFECT character to do this marketing blitz with. He is an American comics icon, someone everyone's heard about and seen in some fashion. He's had the same costume for close to seventy years running now and is one of the most recognizable names and figures in comic book history...but, most people on the streets don't have a name behind the mask, and that makes Steve expendable and easy to kill off while maintaining the icon's new and extremely lucrative marketability (To a point the character's never even had before).Definitely possible. I find it unlikely myself, but only time will tell. I do agree that if it could work with any character it would work with Captain America, but I find it doubtful that Marvel will not bring back Steve for the movie. Perhaps they'll instead create Ultimate Captain America and market the ____ out of that while marketing the crap out of the Adjectiveless Captain America as the successor to Steve Rogers. Its definitely possible, I just doubt it. Same as I doubt the new Captain America will be black.

[nickmaynard]

I CANT BELIEVE THIS!

This is too cool.

[tiso_spencer]

It was alright..., but a Terror Alert Color Scheme would be funny.

[NairbMail]

Are these overprints 1st edition or second?

[MerrickM]

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[Dagman]

Marvel would have been wise to have allowed returns and massively overshipped their orders on this single issue. Given that the contents were classified, all they had was Marvel's untrustworthy hype to gauge their order levels. The LCS's did not know that Marvel was planning a major press release to coincide with the book's release. The fact they lucked out with the timing of it being on a slow news day is one thing. But they had to know they would get SOME coverage, given the response to the unmasking of Spider-Man. Had they wished, or known how to, maximize the effect of the increased demand they would have had the supply to meet it. THEY should have seen that the order levels were too low and corrected it by making the book returnable and overship the hell out of it. Instead, we see another wasted opportunity. This is the book that needed to be in the magazine bin in every doctor's office, not bagged and boarded and eBayed in less than 24 hours.

Bru took the lemons Civil War left him with and made some tasty lemonade. Given the media coverage and the quality of the storytelling Marvel would have done well to have had a copy sent to each Newsweek subscriber. Marvel wasted a good chance to really expand their readership, and that of comics in general, with this. Maybe they can salvage some of it, but they should have been ready.

[Captain'sLog]

Boston is upset that Captain America is dead?:eek:
Great! Who's gonna save the city from the Cartoon Network and their blinky LiteBrite terrorist minions now?!?:eek: :eek:

[LOKICEL]

Boston is upset that Captain America is dead?:eek:
Great! Who's gonna save the city from the Cartoon Network and their blinky LiteBrite terrorist minions now?!?:eek: :eek:

I couldn't have said it better!:D

[Kolimar]

<img src="http://www.newsarama.com/marvelnew/CapAmerica/DDream/CAPA025_dc_t.jpg" border="0" align="right"><b>SPOILERS FOR CAPTAIN AMERICA #25</b>

Day two of the “America in Crisis: The Death of Captain America” national media blitz continued Thursday, with more major news outlets picking up the story. Marvel’s Joe Quesada and Dan Buckley are still in high demand for interviews, with sources at Marvel telling Newsarama that virtually every major media outlet has produced video packages about the event with interviews of the two which will be run throughout the coming weekend on the news channels and elsewhere.

And while it may seem as if everyone with an opinion on the matter has weighed in, and tonight on Comedy Central’s <i>The Colbert Report</i>, Stephen Colbert, the most patriotic man in America, perhaps the universe, will feature the death of Captain America in his “THE WØRD” segment. <I>The Colbert Report</i> airs at 11:30 pm, following <i>The Daily Show</i> on Comedy Central. “THE WØRD” is usually uploaded to the show’s <a href=http://www.comedycentral.com/shows/the_colbert_report/index.jhtml>website</a>.

In a sampling of today’s media coverage of the issue…

<a href=http://www.nytimes.com/2007/03/08/books/08capt.html?_r=1&oref=slogin>George Gene Gustines covers the death for the <i>New York Times</i>, and includes a shout out to Newsarama</a>

<a href=http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=7770294>NPR devoted nearly three minutes to it this morning</a>

<a href=http://www.cleveland.com/plaindealer/stories/index.ssf?/base/entertainment/1173357151111730.xml&coll=2>Newsarama’s Mike Sangiacomo covers it for <i>The Cleveland Plain Dealer</i></a>

<a href=http://www.cleveland.com/plaindealer/stories/index.ssf?/base/entertainment/1173357151111730.xml&coll=2>eonline says “Dead, Shmead”</a> (no, really, they do).

<a href=http://www.theconservativevoice.com/article/23328.html>Michael John McCrae goes some strange places in The Conservative Voice</a>

<a href=http://www.huffingtonpost.com/ari-emanuel/did-bush-and-cheney-kill-_b_42967.html>And equally odd, Ari Emanuel asks is Bush and Cheny killed Captain America</a>

<a href=http://enterprise.southofboston.com/articles/2007/03/08/news/news/news05.txt>People are upset in Boston</a>

That's quite the reaction. And I'm not even counting the nutcases. :p Like I said in a previous thread, this is good news in terms of media attention, at the very least. And I should add in terms of sales numbers too. :D

[Kolimar]

On an editorial note, in a development sure to further incite the readers still critical of Iron Man’s role/characterization of <b>Civil War</b> and its fallout, Marvel has revealed to retailers via Diamond’s website that it will in fact be Stark who gets to – or tries to - choose the next Captain America.

According to Diamond’s description of Jeph Loeb and John Romita Jr’s <b>Fallen Son: The Death of Captain America – Captain America</b> special, “this pivotal issue features follows Iron Man’s quest to fill the red-white-and-blue uniform with a suitable replacement.

Hmm... <w>

[Evan Waters]

Even with a movie coming out, Marvel's got a million and one ways they can have Steve Rogers' death stick and STILL market the Hell out of Cap.

There's no such thing as a comic death that "sticks". Only a comic death that hasn't been reversed yet.

[GeekBob]

"Marvel has revealed to retailers via Diamond’s website that it will in fact be Stark who gets to – or tries to - choose the next Captain America."

Gee, bet THAT goes over well...

I know I had this up before, but what the hell:

http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j51/moviebob_2006/cap-punisher.jpg

[Nights]

I make fun of Marvel and well they deserve a lot of it. But I am really spooked by this it seems that Marvel is really trying to jump start the speculation market again. I just see this as some weird way to get people see comics as money makers. Could foil covers be on the way back?

[spiderTam]

FOIL COVERS!!! FOIL COVERS WITH CAPTAIN AMERICA ARMBANDS!!

Y'know Marvel would do it don't you!?

[Nights]

You think I am joking but when the first holofoil 3-D black light cover ends up in the store I am going to yell i told ya so.

[LunarDaydreamer]

Matt Brady on the radio over here at *precisely* the time I have to leave for work?!

:(

[Vig]

WHY CAP!!! WHY MUST YOU DIE!!! Why didn't you carry your shield! That thing was practically attached to your hand.

I knew it was a bad omen when they brought you up the couthouse without your shield. I knew something bad was gonna happen. KNEW IT!!! DAMN YOU RED SKULL!!! DAMN YOU AND YOUR NUTZI CRONIES TO HELL!!!!

Why must you die Cap? Why can't it be that no good wimp Reed Richards. No one would have missed him. His wife would probably marry that hunk of a man Namor in a heartbeat.

Who's gonna send Kang back to whatever alternate timeline he came from, when he or his various other alternate timeline selves attacks? Who's gonna rally the superheroes with inspiring words when Galactus rears his ugly forked head?
Not that weasel Tony Stark for sure. "Look at me, i'm your worship Tony Stark, all new *GLUGGLUG* shiny big kahuna of S.H.I.E.L.D la di da! *GLUGGLUG* All Your Superheroes Are Belong To Us, la di da!" *GLUGGLUG*

Come back Cap! CCCCOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOMMMMMEEE BBBBAAAAACCCCCKKKKKK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

:D

[furakon]

About the next Cap, two words: "Captain CLONERICA"...

[penfold]

the news has even hit the 2 biggest british news papers http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/topstories/tm_method=full%26objectid=18721429%26sit eid=89520-name_page.html
and
http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2007110171,00.html

The media over here rarely have news relating to comics, even british comic book icons like roy of the rovers, desperate dan and dennis the menace are not mentioned, for both the the spiderman unmasking and the death of captain america there have been 1/4 page headlines, which is unheard of.

the only other time i can recall an american comic book character getting a menition in the press was the death of superman, so for marvel to be in the british media twice in twelve months is a very big coup and will hopefully boost the comic book market in this country.

unless someone has a comic book store near to them, the british public will have to wait at least a year for this story to hit the newsagents/supermarkets through panini's marvel legends comic book.

thankfully i have my copy reserved at my local comice book store comics plus in aldershot, thanks guys.


Tim

[Impulse725]

Exactly. This isn't Spider-Man, this isn't Superman or Batman. This isn't even Daredevil. This is Captain America. Someone whose seen as a jingoistic icon from the 40s to a lot of non-comic readers (I know that's how I saw the character). The fact its been picked up as it has been is astounding and says a lot about the desperateness of news reporters during a slow news day ;)


I think you're underestimating how widely know Cap is. He may not have been in anything mainstream since his only 60's cartoon aside from cameos in other marvel toons, but he's been published for a freaking long while. People like my dad, who were buying captain america comics in world war two, remember him, and assumably, a lot of people between now and then. This is why it's in newspapers. I'm going to generalize, but newspapers tend to have old readers. Most of those will know who Cap is, and are more likely to care than news about spider-man. Superman's death wasn't newsworthy because there were a bunch of movies in the 80s, it was newsworthy because he'd been continously published for a long time

[Allen Jaco]

<a href=http://www.theconservativevoice.com/article/23328.html>Michael John McCrae goes some strange places in The Conservative Voice</a>

<a href=http://www.huffingtonpost.com/ari-emanuel/did-bush-and-cheney-kill-_b_42967.html>And equally odd, Ari Emanuel asks is Bush and Cheny killed Captain America</a>



These happen to be two of the most amusing things I've read in a long time..... :D

[crunch-o-matic]

I'm still not seeing the part where he died.

[stvnhthr]

Cap was a symbol of America. His death should have the same impact on the Marvel Universe's characters as the destruction of the World Trade Center. He was a living icon of all the United States stood for. It will be interesting to see how this is handled in the comics and the press which seem to be increasingly pessimistic toward patriotism. Heck, look how Consevative values are ridiculed on these boards and how the Liberal mindset seems to dominate the industry- that alone would make for a fascinating story angle: Cap was in so many ways a man out of a different time, fighting for values most Americans discard or take for granted.

[SpyGuy]

For anyone wanting a direct link to the Colbert piece...


http://www.comedycentral.com/motherload/index.jhtml?ml_video=83437

[1603]

Great links. I especially enjoyed the vitriol-laced article in the Conservative Voice. What a nut!

Don't get slap happy on us.

[stvnhthr]

For anyone wanting a direct link to the Colbert piece...


http://www.comedycentral.com/motherload/index.jhtml?ml_video=83437

What's with the cheap potshots at FOX News? How distracting from an otherwise entertaining piece.

[AbeFroman]

For anyone wanting a direct link to the Colbert piece...


http://www.comedycentral.com/motherload/index.jhtml?ml_video=83437

That was awesome!

It's so strange seeing a comic book event being covered in the national media again. It just feels surreal, even with comic book-based movies being so big right now. Colbert handled it perfectly, as usual.

[BlackCatGuy]

And luckily, if it turns mainstream heads towards the series, it's got the best damn creative team on it in a long, long time, if not ever.

Agreed!:) Brubaker and Epting have been doing a PHENOMINAL job on the book!

[Dino Pollard]

What a weirdo.... I think I'm more scared of him than Galactus.
Somehow, I think McCrae was a fan of the Grand Director and John Walker incarnations of Captain America over the Steve Rogers version.

Y'know, the Caps that were completely batspit insane.

[IronJedi]

Hasn't she done that before, under the name "American Dream", or was that someone else or not in continuity or something?

I'm a little fuzzy on the particulars, but I remember the name and the imagery, and damn did she look good in the outfit. She was blonde and blue-eyed as well, which further makes me think that it was indeed Sharon. Regardless, even if not her or not in continuity, there's precedent. I'd like to see it.

You're thinking American Dream who is the Cap succesor in the Spider-girl/A-Next/Avengers Next universe. In a sense you're correct because she's Sharon's daughter, but wrong timeline and universe.

[tunabeard]

<img src="http://www.newsarama.com/marvelnew/CapAmerica/DDream/CAPA025_dc_t.jpg" border="0" align="right"><b>SPOILERS FOR CAPTAIN AMERICA #25</b>


On an editorial note, in a development sure to further incite the readers still critical of Iron Man’s role/characterization of <b>Civil War</b> and its fallout, Marvel has revealed to retailers via Diamond’s website that it will in fact be Stark who gets to – or tries to - choose the next Captain America.

According to Diamond’s description of Jeph Loeb and John Romita Jr’s <b>Fallen Son: The Death of Captain America – Captain America</b> special, “this pivotal issue features follows Iron Man’s quest to fill the red-white-and-blue uniform with a suitable replacement.”


So now after all the controversy about "Cap" being against Stark and the Registration Act, will this now mean that the NEW Captain America that Stark chooses will become an Agent of Shield?

[SpyGuy]

What's with the cheap potshots at FOX News? How distracting from an otherwise entertaining piece.

Um...Because the Fox News commentator had it coming to him for trying to imply that killing off Captain America is somehow unpatriotic to the nation at a time of war? That was a seriously dumb media statement deserving all kinds of derision.

[JohnLynch]

I think you're underestimating how widely know Cap is.Even if I did that massively, its a comic book death. As someone else said, there's no such thing as a death that sticks in comics. Bucky proved that. Jean Grey has proved it time and again. Its simply bizarre to hear it covered.

[thunderthief]

Interesting, the new Cap is gonna be picked this soon. But Iron Man's choice better not take up the mantle. Its gotta be Bucky.

WRONG~!

Bucky is damaged goods.

First, his resurrection (no matter how good) is STILL a resurrection.

Secondly, his death basically threw out the idea that there were "Untouchable" deaths in comics (like Uncle Ben, John Proudstar and...um...Jason Todd), basically solidifying the rule that a writer can't kill anyone without another writer resurrecting him no matter if the resurrection was as much as sixty years later.

Thirdly, he's too fresh. The resurrection was not that long ago. His history with Cap is, actually, slim to none. Do you own any Bucky comics before 'Winter Soldier'? No? Didn't think so. What emotional attachment do you have to him, outside of this storyline? Only the attachment that comes from the resurrection of a character NO ONE thought would be resurrected!

I'm sorry, but Bru has a lot more exploring on that character to do before Bucky grows as a character to take on the mantle of Cap.

And fourthly, and most importantly, there are a few other characters that would have to be on that list ahead of Bucky. Characters who DO have a past with Cap in actual modern comic books: Sharon Carter, The Falcon, Hawkeye and even Tony Stark himself are probably safer bets. (Remember that 'Iron Captain' pic?)

Personally?

It better be Sam Wilson in that Captain America suit.

EDIT: on a note more related to the topic than the rant above, why is FOXNews even mentioned in the same breath with respectable news outlets like NPR? There are other conservative outlets out there with a MUCH higher degree of professionalism and, you know, actual journalism. BUT, I like that this caused so much press, considering Cap ain't dead. (Thank you, Dan Slott!)

EDIT NUMBER DOS: Wait...why isn't Stephen Colbert the new Captain America?

[The Guvnor]

Oh, and Newsarama’s own Matt Brady will be talking about it with BBC Radio Five Live at 8:15 or so EST, which makes it…er…1:15 am, if it’s live, so if you’re on your way home from a bar, tune in. If it's held for the early am, we apologize for starting your day off that way.


I just listened to it on-line there now and I think you came off pretty well in it Matt. The interviewer could have been much better though. Captain America = John F. Kennedy, never saw the comparison myself, ha. Did you spend much time on the phone with the producers beforehand or did they just pass you straight over and tell you to speak for 10 or so minutes?

[Nights]

What's with the cheap potshots at FOX News? How distracting from an otherwise entertaining piece.

Well the guy said something stupid so that makes him a a easy target.

[kallup]

I can see Marvel putting a woman in the suit.

I don't see it happening. A lot of people could not accept Heather Hudson in the GUardian suit because a female is not "iconic" enough.

[NedPepper]

You would think that, but I found yesterday that this wasn't the case.

Quesada has done such a good job of tying Cap's death into Civil War, the "newbies" at the store I went to, upon hearing that Captain America #25 was sold out, bought up anything they could find with "Civil War" on it.

So they left perfectly happy, believing that anything with Civil War on it was just as important as Cap #25.


The poor souls...;)

[deworde]

What's with the cheap potshots at FOX News? How distracting from an otherwise entertaining piece.

Colbert and the Daily Show have a long running relationship with Fox. The Fox guys call the Colbert viewers "stoner crack-heads", and the Daily Show and Colbert claim that Fox News is commiting fraud by calling itself "News"...

[MattBrady]

Did you spend much time on the phone with the producers beforehand or did they just pass you straight over and tell you to speak for 10 or so minutes? spoke with producers earlier in the day for about 15 minutes, talking about things that, as far as the interview went, kinda were left out, but then, he only have 5 minutes.

MattB

[The Guvnor]

spoke with producers earlier in the day for about 15 minutes, talking about things that, as far as the interview went, kinda were left out, but then, he only have 5 minutes.

MattB

Cool thanks. I don't listen to the show but it seemed to be run in a pretty haphazard fashion where the host just went onto different topics without giving much afterthought to them.